Oh no, my great lord Apple, the great Aslan cannot deign to be involvede in a court of law with these low "commone" people. Commone-ers need to remain in their statione. Keep their place. Common folke can't sell computers that run Apple software but for that Apple is superiour and Higher being which they cannot Comprehend. Psystar appear to be men of red-hot Acrimony and ill humours. They cannot hope to be seen as equals of the god-men at Apple. Summarized from above comments.
While Psystar is in the wrong for clearly violating any IP that Apple has, Apple's tyranny must come to an end. ASSR (Apple Socialist Soviet Republic) must be dealt with. Their tyranny is out of control. Now while I use their products everyday and don't plan to use anything else, they are still boneheaded in their heavy handed tactics. Remove the Fuhrer and replace the Reich and all will be well.
I suggest instead you do this the "American" way. Vote with your wallet. Sell all your Apple stuff, and buy/build your own PC and run Linux, or go out and buy OS X and put it on there. If you continue to use Apple products, it just supports their tyranny. (Yes, buying OS X is still supporting them, but better 160 bucks and you are done, than 2 grand with more and more money spent on them.)
I stopped using Apple products. In the past 4 years, I've had ALL of my new purchases fail due to poor quality control. Seeing how big a price I paid for them, kinda silly. I voted them out with my wallet. I happy built my own PC, and run all three OSs on it, with more and more of my time spent in Linux (especially for the creative side of things! There's good stuff out there if you know where to look and how to make it work. Once you have it and it works, it just continues to work.)
If you don't like them, please, be smart and walk away!
I suggest instead you do this the "American" way. Vote with your wallet. Sell all your Apple stuff, and buy/build your own PC and run Linux, or go out and buy OS X and put it on there. If you continue to use Apple products, it just supports their tyranny. (Yes, buying OS X is still supporting them, but better 160 bucks and you are done, than 2 grand with more and more money spent on them.)
I stopped using Apple products. In the past 4 years, I've had ALL of my new purchases fail due to poor quality control. Seeing how big a price I paid for them, kinda silly. I voted them out with my wallet. I happy built my own PC, and run all three OSs on it, with more and more of my time spent in Linux (especially for the creative side of things! There's good stuff out there if you know where to look and how to make it work. Once you have it and it works, it just continues to work.)
If you don't like them, please, be smart and walk away!
I use Linux, Windows and Mac machines. They all live in harmony and were built by me. Each platform offers it's own advantages and disadvantages. Back to Psystar......
Lol. I have never been to one of those town hall game shows. Now as far as my statement, I am completely aware that a Fuhrer and the Reich have nothing to do with the Soviet Union. I was just using two tyrannical examples. Sorry that wasn't clear enough.....
I should be able to buy a computer from someone and ask them to install whichever operating system I wish on it as you can do with most computers except for the interferene of the tyrants at apple and the apple fanboys!
There are two simple thought experiments that prove that Apple are well within their rights to insist their software is only used on their hardware.
Supposing Apple changed their Mac OS X pricing policy and decided to make all upgrades FREE, for the lifetime of your Mac. Would you still claim then that another company ought to be allowed to distribute Mac OS X to run on their computers?
Or let's say you really like HP printers but can't stand their software. Do you really think someone like Canon or Epson should be forced to give you their drivers so you can use their software with a competing printer?
This has nothing to do with being an Apple fanboy, it's basic copyright law. Just because you really, really want to be able to do something that doesn't make it legal.
While Psystar is in the wrong for clearly violating any IP that Apple has, Apple's tyranny must come to an end.
what the tyranny of creating a product that works, that they can support when it doesn't. that they can train folks to use.
you might not like Apple's tactics and such but thus far they have been proven over and over to be in the legal right. more often than in the wrong.
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Originally Posted by Magic_Al
Psystar isn't necessarily going to lose. Remember when Microsoft was trying to claim they could require their web browser and only their web browser to be sold with Windows because it was integral? Well, Apple is trying to tie a whole computer to their OS! Why should courts side with Apple if they didn't side with Microsoft?
thank you, next contestant.
that argument has already been tried by Psystar and they lost. the courts ruled that, unlike a web browser and an OS, the OS and the hardware are related products. Psystar also tried to claim that tying was anti-trust because Apple has 100% market power. that was shot down by the courts who said that there is no such thing as a Macintosh Market. that the Market is Personal Computer Systems and Apple has less than 10% of said market and thus nothing close to an abusive level of market power. and therefore the tying of the OS to their choice and only their choice of hardware and hardware providers is NOT abusive and Apple has every legal right to continue to restrict etc.
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You're missing the point - you can do that for your own use, but when you start selling them and making profits off them without permission from Apple, you've gone too far.
actually by letter of the law, no you can't.
the catch is that if you do it for yourself and you keep it to yourself, no one is going to know so how can they bust you even if they wanted to.
I should be able to buy a computer from someone and ask them to install whichever operating system I wish on it as you can do with most computers except for the interferene of the tyrants at apple and the apple fanboys!
Oh, okay, then I should be able to move into any house I want without interference from the tyrants who own them.
And seriously, are you really gonna claim that people who buy Macs are stopping you from getting what you want? Guess I should go scream at AT&T customers for stopping me from getting my Sprint iPhone.
Apple is a friggin company and it doesn't have to give you what you want just cause you want it. I'm sure plenty of people would love a $15,000 BMW, but that doesn't mean Germany has to pump one out. Where do you people get this insane since of entitlement?
I should be able to buy a computer from someone and ask them to install whichever operating system I wish on it as you can do with most computers except for the interferene of the tyrants at apple and the apple fanboys!
You don't have that right when OS X is mandatory on Macs at time of sale. You don't have a right to dictate the terms by which Apple sells you its product.
You don't have that right when OS X is mandatory on Macs at time of sale. You don't have a right to dictate the terms by which Apple sells you its product.
Well fanboy I do not see Microsoft doing the same monopolistic behaviors as Apple does with their operating system. I purchased a full working copy of vista ultimate to have a dual boot system on a mac I am forced to use because of work. I do not see any reason that I should not have the right when Apple sells independently of the computer its operating system.
Well fanboy I do not see Microsoft doing the same monopolistic behaviors as Apple does with their operating system. I purchased a full working copy of vista ultimate to have a dual boot system on a mac I am forced to use because of work. I do not see any reason that I should not have the right when Apple sells independently of the computer its operating system.
You didn't buy the product, you licensed it. The EULA says that for both Windows and OS X in the first paragraph. Either respect the inherent differences in the way each company does business or go jump off a cliff. I am so tired of all of the unbelievably spoiled and morally backwards people who argue on this forum.
And word of advice: don't bitch about Apple having a monopoly if your entire argument precludes the actual definition of the word.
You didn't buy the product, you licensed it. The EULA says that for both Windows and OS X in the first paragraph. Either respect the inherent differences in the way each company does business or go jump off a cliff. I am so tired of all of the unbelievably spoiled and morally backwards people who argue on this forum.
And word of advice: don't bitch about Apple having a monopoly if your entire argument precludes the actual definition of the word.
I don't think he understands what licensing means, much less Apple's business model and why it works.
It wasn't a personal choice that you wanted to run some sort of software tied to Window's monopoly was it?
btw I prefer the term "fanboi" it's more current and looks even more retarded than using the term "fanboy".
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Well fanboy I do not see Microsoft doing the same monopolistic behaviors as Apple does with their operating system. I purchased a full working copy of vista ultimate to have a dual boot system on a mac I am forced to use because of work. I do not see any reason that I should not have the right when Apple sells independently of the computer its operating system.
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Damn! I could've had a V-8!
While Psystar is in the wrong for clearly violating any IP that Apple has, Apple's tyranny must come to an end. ASSR (Apple Socialist Soviet Republic) must be dealt with. Their tyranny is out of control. Now while I use their products everyday and don't plan to use anything else, they are still boneheaded in their heavy handed tactics. Remove the Fuhrer and replace the Reich and all will be well.
I suggest instead you do this the "American" way. Vote with your wallet. Sell all your Apple stuff, and buy/build your own PC and run Linux, or go out and buy OS X and put it on there. If you continue to use Apple products, it just supports their tyranny. (Yes, buying OS X is still supporting them, but better 160 bucks and you are done, than 2 grand with more and more money spent on them.)
I stopped using Apple products. In the past 4 years, I've had ALL of my new purchases fail due to poor quality control. Seeing how big a price I paid for them, kinda silly. I voted them out with my wallet. I happy built my own PC, and run all three OSs on it, with more and more of my time spent in Linux (especially for the creative side of things! There's good stuff out there if you know where to look and how to make it work. Once you have it and it works, it just continues to work.)
If you don't like them, please, be smart and walk away!
I suggest instead you do this the "American" way. Vote with your wallet. Sell all your Apple stuff, and buy/build your own PC and run Linux, or go out and buy OS X and put it on there. If you continue to use Apple products, it just supports their tyranny. (Yes, buying OS X is still supporting them, but better 160 bucks and you are done, than 2 grand with more and more money spent on them.)
I stopped using Apple products. In the past 4 years, I've had ALL of my new purchases fail due to poor quality control. Seeing how big a price I paid for them, kinda silly. I voted them out with my wallet. I happy built my own PC, and run all three OSs on it, with more and more of my time spent in Linux (especially for the creative side of things! There's good stuff out there if you know where to look and how to make it work. Once you have it and it works, it just continues to work.)
If you don't like them, please, be smart and walk away!
I use Linux, Windows and Mac machines. They all live in harmony and were built by me. Each platform offers it's own advantages and disadvantages. Back to Psystar......
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Or, not. Assuming it matters, which of course it doesn't.
You don't have the right, and Apple doesn't have to sell you anything they don't want to sell you, Michael Dell!
If they sell the operating system separate of the machine I will put it where I want just as I should be able to fanboy!
Gee, that felt good. Maybe that's why people do it.
So's yer old man! Booga booga booga!
Gee, that felt good. Maybe that's why people do it.
WWDCD
(What Would Dick Cheney Do)
Lol. I have never been to one of those town hall game shows. Now as far as my statement, I am completely aware that a Fuhrer and the Reich have nothing to do with the Soviet Union. I was just using two tyrannical examples. Sorry that wasn't clear enough.....
Didn't take this long to prove Godwin's Law!
I should be able to buy a computer from someone and ask them to install whichever operating system I wish on it as you can do with most computers except for the interferene of the tyrants at apple and the apple fanboys!
There are two simple thought experiments that prove that Apple are well within their rights to insist their software is only used on their hardware.
Supposing Apple changed their Mac OS X pricing policy and decided to make all upgrades FREE, for the lifetime of your Mac. Would you still claim then that another company ought to be allowed to distribute Mac OS X to run on their computers?
Or let's say you really like HP printers but can't stand their software. Do you really think someone like Canon or Epson should be forced to give you their drivers so you can use their software with a competing printer?
This has nothing to do with being an Apple fanboy, it's basic copyright law. Just because you really, really want to be able to do something that doesn't make it legal.
While Psystar is in the wrong for clearly violating any IP that Apple has, Apple's tyranny must come to an end.
what the tyranny of creating a product that works, that they can support when it doesn't. that they can train folks to use.
you might not like Apple's tactics and such but thus far they have been proven over and over to be in the legal right. more often than in the wrong.
Psystar isn't necessarily going to lose. Remember when Microsoft was trying to claim they could require their web browser and only their web browser to be sold with Windows because it was integral? Well, Apple is trying to tie a whole computer to their OS! Why should courts side with Apple if they didn't side with Microsoft?
thank you, next contestant.
that argument has already been tried by Psystar and they lost. the courts ruled that, unlike a web browser and an OS, the OS and the hardware are related products. Psystar also tried to claim that tying was anti-trust because Apple has 100% market power. that was shot down by the courts who said that there is no such thing as a Macintosh Market. that the Market is Personal Computer Systems and Apple has less than 10% of said market and thus nothing close to an abusive level of market power. and therefore the tying of the OS to their choice and only their choice of hardware and hardware providers is NOT abusive and Apple has every legal right to continue to restrict etc.
You're missing the point - you can do that for your own use, but when you start selling them and making profits off them without permission from Apple, you've gone too far.
actually by letter of the law, no you can't.
the catch is that if you do it for yourself and you keep it to yourself, no one is going to know so how can they bust you even if they wanted to.
I should be able to buy a computer from someone and ask them to install whichever operating system I wish on it as you can do with most computers except for the interferene of the tyrants at apple and the apple fanboys!
Oh, okay, then I should be able to move into any house I want without interference from the tyrants who own them.
And seriously, are you really gonna claim that people who buy Macs are stopping you from getting what you want? Guess I should go scream at AT&T customers for stopping me from getting my Sprint iPhone.
Apple is a friggin company and it doesn't have to give you what you want just cause you want it. I'm sure plenty of people would love a $15,000 BMW, but that doesn't mean Germany has to pump one out. Where do you people get this insane since of entitlement?
I should be able to buy a computer from someone and ask them to install whichever operating system I wish on it as you can do with most computers except for the interferene of the tyrants at apple and the apple fanboys!
You don't have that right when OS X is mandatory on Macs at time of sale. You don't have a right to dictate the terms by which Apple sells you its product.
You don't have that right when OS X is mandatory on Macs at time of sale. You don't have a right to dictate the terms by which Apple sells you its product.
Well fanboy I do not see Microsoft doing the same monopolistic behaviors as Apple does with their operating system. I purchased a full working copy of vista ultimate to have a dual boot system on a mac I am forced to use because of work. I do not see any reason that I should not have the right when Apple sells independently of the computer its operating system.
If they sell the operating system separate of the machine I will put it where I want just as I should be able to fanboy!
I guess the Michael Dell reference was just a little too subtle in my last post...
Well fanboy I do not see Microsoft doing the same monopolistic behaviors as Apple does with their operating system. I purchased a full working copy of vista ultimate to have a dual boot system on a mac I am forced to use because of work. I do not see any reason that I should not have the right when Apple sells independently of the computer its operating system.
You didn't buy the product, you licensed it. The EULA says that for both Windows and OS X in the first paragraph. Either respect the inherent differences in the way each company does business or go jump off a cliff. I am so tired of all of the unbelievably spoiled and morally backwards people who argue on this forum.
And word of advice: don't bitch about Apple having a monopoly if your entire argument precludes the actual definition of the word.
You didn't buy the product, you licensed it. The EULA says that for both Windows and OS X in the first paragraph. Either respect the inherent differences in the way each company does business or go jump off a cliff. I am so tired of all of the unbelievably spoiled and morally backwards people who argue on this forum.
And word of advice: don't bitch about Apple having a monopoly if your entire argument precludes the actual definition of the word.
I don't think he understands what licensing means, much less Apple's business model and why it works.
Well fanboy I do not see Microsoft doing the same monopolistic ...etc etc
Do you want to stay on this forum?
Is so, stop calling everybody who tries to respond to you a fanboy.
It wasn't a personal choice that you wanted to run some sort of software tied to Window's monopoly was it?
btw I prefer the term "fanboi" it's more current and looks even more retarded than using the term "fanboy".
Well fanboy I do not see Microsoft doing the same monopolistic behaviors as Apple does with their operating system. I purchased a full working copy of vista ultimate to have a dual boot system on a mac I am forced to use because of work. I do not see any reason that I should not have the right when Apple sells independently of the computer its operating system.