Well this was kinda obvious, with Palm trying to bone Apple, why would apple waste resources supporting their antiques?
I suspect part of Apple's desire to support Palm (back in the day) was that, at the time, Palm was just about the only serious competitor to Windows Mobile devices (please, no comments about the Psion, wonderful as it may have been). Now that Apple has effectively kicked Microsoft's arse in the handheld arena (which isn't really hard as crappy as WinMo is), they really don't need to support anything else, especially something as old as PalmOS.
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Originally Posted by mrr
Apple has not done a whole lot of development with iCal in recent years. Pretty stagnant.
Maybe this is their time for them to get to work.
Or, perhaps now that Exchange Server support is built into the OS (with iCal support for Exchange calendars), Apple has new reason to breathe some life into iCal (which has served me fine actually as a front-end to Google and MobileMe calendars).
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Originally Posted by webraider
Actually, I still have a nice treo 755P. There's just nothing else that I can buy that I can take my Quicken along with me.
Oh don't get me wrong - my slam against Palm aside, I had a Palm 3, V and a Tungsten|E and thought they were all great. I also had an OmniSky CDPD cradle for my V, and used Pocket Quicken on all of them-it was one of the reasons I kept my Palm going too. I finally retired it when it turned on and froze up in my bag on a flight home and I lost all the travel notes I'd taken on my trip when the battery died. As that had happened multiple times before, I was finally done.
You know it's easy to read too much into this. Had SL come out a month before Pre, nobody would have batted an eyelid.
At it's heart, this is about Apple removing some legacy code from the OS. Given they are cutting the footprint of the OS by 7Gb, I bet there is a lot more legacy stuff gone than just the iSync.
As I say, it's only because Palm and Apple are having a tit for tat fight that this rates a mention.
The only people they're smacking down are their customers. Looks like I won't be upgrading to Snow Leopard any time soon and I might have to rethink my iPhone plans when my contract upgrade comes in december. Very Jobs like to take it out on the users.
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Originally Posted by PaulMJohnson
You know it's easy to read too much into this. Had SL come out a month before Pre, nobody would have batted an eyelid.
At it's heart, this is about Apple removing some legacy code from the OS. Given they are cutting the footprint of the OS by 7Gb, I bet there is a lot more legacy stuff gone than just the iSync.
As I say, it's only because Palm and Apple are having a tit for tat fight that this rates a mention.
That depends if Palm support was the only thing they took out or not. Either way its going to make life very difficult for Mac users with palm devices.
Reminds me, I guess I better check that my phone's iSync plug-in still works with iSync 3.1 before upgrading to 10.6. Can I assume that since it's a minor version upgrade (3.0.2 to 3.1) my non-Apple iSync plug-ins should work? It's a simple dumb phone, but syncing contacts with Address Book is a very nice feature to have.
Now that SL 10.6 is out in a few days, I'd have to migrate my data somehow into Entourage, Office 2004, using Missing Sync, and MS's Note Book store all my Palm Memo's that will show up on iPhone... I am quite nervous about that transition, cause it's part of big upgrade to Mac Book Pro with SL, thus a lot of "balls in the air" not to drop...
Luckily, with SuperDuper, I clone daily, but still... I just want my Palm Memo on my iPhone, and be able to Edit them on MBP or iPhone and have them always in Sync with their Fliq application over IP.
What scares me is that Missing Sync doesn't have any phone support, not even pre-sales, to help me with this! And, going to Apple Store is almost useless in that regard.
I would have loved to see Apple have a Memo Application as part of iPhone, without having to rely on MS or any 3rd party developers! Is that so much to ask to be able to carry your Editable Documents and Sync them?
Has anyone performed a similar Great Escape from Treo to iPhone? Any pitfalls to look out for? I could either use MS to Sync my Treo 700p to Entourage, or use Missing Sync's Migration Assistant!
No version of iCal supports authenticated proxy servers.
CALDAV breaks.
Subscribed calendars break.
and now... Exchange ActiveSync breaks.
And it's supposed to be used in a workplace...
Even funnier is the Bug Reports in Snow Leopard still don't work behind one either. (They never have - so Apple is oblivious to crashes caused by authenticated proxy servers.)
Palm, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, update Palm Desktop for Mac which has not been updated for almost decades!!!
Thanks.
Why would they update it?
The have nothing to do with that OS. The last time they licensed it for use in one of their handhelds was 2007. They had a fling with Windows Mobile. Now they are completely focussed on Web OS.
Palm Desktop doesn't work with Windows Mobile and doesn't make sense with Web OS. So it is useless for their handsets released in the last two years.
(which was based on Apple's Claris Organizer from over a decade ago)
_BETTER_ than Apple's iCal !
It had many more features and options. It had MUCH better and faster data entry and was better at creating reoccurring events and events spanning multiple dates. Had MANY more print options.
Apple has not done a whole lot of development with iCal in recent years. Pretty stagnant.
Maybe this is their time for them to get to work.
I agree. It was simple and straight forward. I only used the Palm Desktop on PC's, and it worked perfectly, I never had duplicates or missing data after sync's. Unfortunately the fields available in the address book became a little outdated, but I was able to live with it. There are times I'd prefer to have the Palm Desktop software and a mail application like the "good old days"...
I can't believe that two years later I still can't view iCal tasks natively on my iPhone.
It's also just dawned on me that this shows an example of the turnaround for Apple and the loss for Palm. A few years ago, Apple user base was so small that Palm didn't really need to bother with support for their products.
Now one of Palms advertising brags is support for Apple.
Having just found out about The Missing Sync, that looks to be some great software that I'd recommend to anyone running a mac that didn't have an iphone. Its really a shame Palm couldn't come up with something like this, or license it, on their own. Doing the "ha, we tricked your software into thinking I'm an ipod" seems shady and sad for a company that's trying to improve their image, and makes me wonder what other corners were cut. Just doesn't seem professional.
(among others giving glowing reviews for Missing Sync). Yes, it's a nice program. Better than what Apple and Palm had. Frankly, Palm Desktop for Mac sucked and iSync is nearly useless for Palm and many other devices anyway, Missing Sync provided the glue necessary to keep me going until I bought an iPhone, which now has data that originally was entered on the Palm.
I wonder why these "sources" had to point out the missing conduit? I bet it wouldn't have been noticed if it was just silently dropped. I haven't heard of many people "in the wild" even using iSync except maybe to fiddle with it for a few minutes.
Because my father's MacBook has Missing Sync installed and he owns a Palm with Palm OS. Before installing Snow Leopard on his mac I wanted to make sure the calendar is not going to break.
Before I worked here there was an external "IT guy" who suggested him to purchase a Win based PDA. He owned a Palm OS device then. I suggested he stick with Palm OS instead of Win. I've been trying to convert him to iPhone or iPod Touch but he is very happy with stylus input and wants a discrete device (so no iPhone but also no iPod Touch). I have been looking around for some time now and didn't find a suiting alternative. But I am still pushing in the direction of the iPhone...
In the meantime I would just be happy to know that Missing Sync does the job and he can have Snow Leopard installed. (yes, his MacBook is C2D..)
The only people they're smacking down are their customers. Looks like I won't be upgrading to Snow Leopard any time soon and I might have to rethink my iPhone plans when my contract upgrade comes in december. Very Jobs like to take it out on the users.
That depends if Palm support was the only thing they took out or not. Either way its going to make life very difficult for Mac users with palm devices.
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Originally Posted by MacTel
No doubt! How's Palm gonna respond? They'll probably drop support for iTunes - oh wait they want that.
People need to know the facts before they jump over Apple. Palm does not own Palm OS anymore and this format has not been supported for years, so why would Apple use this as a screw job on Palm.
SL does not support PPC, which is majority of code that has been removed including any PPC related support software. Palm Desktop for Mac has not been supported in years.
So for few hundred people, Apple should provide sub-standard operating system to support you, get real! Even worse waste money and time keeping this support and then majority of us do not require it, but we are paying for the R&D to keep the support in SL.
There are enough solutions to ensure your life is not diffcult, like missing sync, which is great solution.
Apple have transitioned to intel based Macs and needed to cut lifeline from PPC suport with concerning to the operating system, since the precentage of core customers with PPC is small.
Progress will involve some diffcult decisions, but it usually for the good of EVERYONE.
You know it's easy to read too much into this. Had SL come out a month before Pre, nobody would have batted an eyelid.
At it's heart, this is about Apple removing some legacy code from the OS. Given they are cutting the footprint of the OS by 7Gb, I bet there is a lot more legacy stuff gone than just the iSync.
And given that Apple likely had to reverse engineer the layout of Palm's address book "database" (it's really just chunks), there's probably some code that's very specific about packing in there. While it's not exactly hard to port, it's more involved than most code. So it's in moments like the 64-bit transition that legacy code like this is appraised and cut.
Indeed. Remaining Treo/Tungsten users are going to have to scramble to find a new solution. All three of you.
When my first gen iPhone died, I bought a Treo 680 and been happier with it. Sure, I miss Wifi and webbrowsing, but I don't have to worry about amazingly large libraries of POS apps and have a lot more calendar options (like actually having those different colored calendars show up in the Treo) and a sweet keyboard.
Oh and the Palm support in iSync has never been any good anyway.
if anything, Apple is doing Palm a favor by dropping support. If that becomes a final motive for people to upgrade their aging device, surely some of them will buy a Pre. I doubt that has anything to do with it though. Supporting Palm devices isn't as much of a boon as it used to be.
Anyway, Missing Sync was always better than the native Palm isync plugin.
The only people they're smacking down are their customers. Looks like I won't be upgrading to Snow Leopard any time soon and I might have to rethink my iPhone plans when my contract upgrade comes in december. Very Jobs like to take it out on the users.
You must be joking. I'd rather throw away my entire collection of Palm OS products for the chance to use Snow Leopard.
Honestly, Palm is not someone worth supporting, saving, or crying about. Honestly I hope Apple eventually puts Palm out of business, then sues them for being thieves.
Having just found out about The Missing Sync, that looks to be some great software...
It's great if you like losing contacts and having all this junk inserted into your address book continually. I am still cleaning out "E-mail" whenever I find it. You better have some damn desperate reason to keep on Palm classic because that crap is well crap at this point. I mean, yes innovative - in 1995. Not much since then.
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Well this was kinda obvious, with Palm trying to bone Apple, why would apple waste resources supporting their antiques?
I suspect part of Apple's desire to support Palm (back in the day) was that, at the time, Palm was just about the only serious competitor to Windows Mobile devices (please, no comments about the Psion, wonderful as it may have been). Now that Apple has effectively kicked Microsoft's arse in the handheld arena (which isn't really hard as crappy as WinMo is), they really don't need to support anything else, especially something as old as PalmOS.
Apple has not done a whole lot of development with iCal in recent years. Pretty stagnant.
Maybe this is their time for them to get to work.
Or, perhaps now that Exchange Server support is built into the OS (with iCal support for Exchange calendars), Apple has new reason to breathe some life into iCal (which has served me fine actually as a front-end to Google and MobileMe calendars).
Actually, I still have a nice treo 755P. There's just nothing else that I can buy that I can take my Quicken along with me.
Oh don't get me wrong - my slam against Palm aside, I had a Palm 3, V and a Tungsten|E and thought they were all great. I also had an OmniSky CDPD cradle for my V, and used Pocket Quicken on all of them-it was one of the reasons I kept my Palm going too. I finally retired it when it turned on and froze up in my bag on a flight home and I lost all the travel notes I'd taken on my trip when the battery died. As that had happened multiple times before, I was finally done.
At it's heart, this is about Apple removing some legacy code from the OS. Given they are cutting the footprint of the OS by 7Gb, I bet there is a lot more legacy stuff gone than just the iSync.
As I say, it's only because Palm and Apple are having a tit for tat fight that this rates a mention.
Another Palm smackdown from Apple!
The only people they're smacking down are their customers. Looks like I won't be upgrading to Snow Leopard any time soon and I might have to rethink my iPhone plans when my contract upgrade comes in december. Very Jobs like to take it out on the users.
You know it's easy to read too much into this. Had SL come out a month before Pre, nobody would have batted an eyelid.
At it's heart, this is about Apple removing some legacy code from the OS. Given they are cutting the footprint of the OS by 7Gb, I bet there is a lot more legacy stuff gone than just the iSync.
As I say, it's only because Palm and Apple are having a tit for tat fight that this rates a mention.
That depends if Palm support was the only thing they took out or not. Either way its going to make life very difficult for Mac users with palm devices.
Now that SL 10.6 is out in a few days, I'd have to migrate my data somehow into Entourage, Office 2004, using Missing Sync, and MS's Note Book store all my Palm Memo's that will show up on iPhone... I am quite nervous about that transition, cause it's part of big upgrade to Mac Book Pro with SL, thus a lot of "balls in the air" not to drop...
Luckily, with SuperDuper, I clone daily, but still... I just want my Palm Memo on my iPhone, and be able to Edit them on MBP or iPhone and have them always in Sync with their Fliq application over IP.
http://www.markspace.com/iphone/mac
http://www.markspace.com/products/fliq/mac
What scares me is that Missing Sync doesn't have any phone support, not even pre-sales, to help me with this! And, going to Apple Store is almost useless in that regard.
I would have loved to see Apple have a Memo Application as part of iPhone, without having to rely on MS or any 3rd party developers! Is that so much to ask to be able to carry your Editable Documents and Sync them?
Has anyone performed a similar Great Escape from Treo to iPhone? Any pitfalls to look out for? I could either use MS to Sync my Treo 700p to Entourage, or use Missing Sync's Migration Assistant!
TIA for anyone's help!
It's owned by a company called Access. They don't have the rights to use the Palm name. Since 2005 (!)
Palm's operating systems of choice are Web OS and formerly Windows Mobile. Palm hasn't released a Garnet OS device since 2007.
Apple has not done a whole lot of development with iCal in recent years. Pretty stagnant.
iCal is crap.
No version of iCal supports authenticated proxy servers.
CALDAV breaks.
Subscribed calendars break.
and now... Exchange ActiveSync breaks.
And it's supposed to be used in a workplace...
No version of iCal supports authenticated proxy servers.
CALDAV breaks.
Subscribed calendars break.
and now... Exchange ActiveSync breaks.
And it's supposed to be used in a workplace...
Even funnier is the Bug Reports in Snow Leopard still don't work behind one either. (They never have - so Apple is oblivious to crashes caused by authenticated proxy servers.)
Hilarious
Palm, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, update Palm Desktop for Mac which has not been updated for almost decades!!!
Thanks.
Why would they update it?
The have nothing to do with that OS. The last time they licensed it for use in one of their handhelds was 2007. They had a fling with Windows Mobile. Now they are completely focussed on Web OS.
Palm Desktop doesn't work with Windows Mobile and doesn't make sense with Web OS. So it is useless for their handsets released in the last two years.
I actually like the Palm Desktop Calender
(which was based on Apple's Claris Organizer from over a decade ago)
_BETTER_ than Apple's iCal !
It had many more features and options. It had MUCH better and faster data entry and was better at creating reoccurring events and events spanning multiple dates. Had MANY more print options.
Apple has not done a whole lot of development with iCal in recent years. Pretty stagnant.
Maybe this is their time for them to get to work.
I agree. It was simple and straight forward. I only used the Palm Desktop on PC's, and it worked perfectly, I never had duplicates or missing data after sync's. Unfortunately the fields available in the address book became a little outdated, but I was able to live with it. There are times I'd prefer to have the Palm Desktop software and a mail application like the "good old days"...
I can't believe that two years later I still can't view iCal tasks natively on my iPhone.
--Dave
Now one of Palms advertising brags is support for Apple.
Having just found out about The Missing Sync, that looks to be some great software that I'd recommend to anyone running a mac that didn't have an iphone. Its really a shame Palm couldn't come up with something like this, or license it, on their own. Doing the "ha, we tricked your software into thinking I'm an ipod" seems shady and sad for a company that's trying to improve their image, and makes me wonder what other corners were cut. Just doesn't seem professional.
(among others giving glowing reviews for Missing Sync). Yes, it's a nice program. Better than what Apple and Palm had. Frankly, Palm Desktop for Mac sucked and iSync is nearly useless for Palm and many other devices anyway, Missing Sync provided the glue necessary to keep me going until I bought an iPhone, which now has data that originally was entered on the Palm.
I wonder why these "sources" had to point out the missing conduit? I bet it wouldn't have been noticed if it was just silently dropped. I haven't heard of many people "in the wild" even using iSync except maybe to fiddle with it for a few minutes.
Because my father's MacBook has Missing Sync installed and he owns a Palm with Palm OS. Before installing Snow Leopard on his mac I wanted to make sure the calendar is not going to break.
Before I worked here there was an external "IT guy" who suggested him to purchase a Win based PDA. He owned a Palm OS device then. I suggested he stick with Palm OS instead of Win. I've been trying to convert him to iPhone or iPod Touch but he is very happy with stylus input and wants a discrete device (so no iPhone but also no iPod Touch). I have been looking around for some time now and didn't find a suiting alternative. But I am still pushing in the direction of the iPhone...
In the meantime I would just be happy to know that Missing Sync does the job and he can have Snow Leopard installed. (yes, his MacBook is C2D..)
The only people they're smacking down are their customers. Looks like I won't be upgrading to Snow Leopard any time soon and I might have to rethink my iPhone plans when my contract upgrade comes in december. Very Jobs like to take it out on the users.
That depends if Palm support was the only thing they took out or not. Either way its going to make life very difficult for Mac users with palm devices.
No doubt! How's Palm gonna respond? They'll probably drop support for iTunes - oh wait they want that.
People need to know the facts before they jump over Apple. Palm does not own Palm OS anymore and this format has not been supported for years, so why would Apple use this as a screw job on Palm.
SL does not support PPC, which is majority of code that has been removed including any PPC related support software. Palm Desktop for Mac has not been supported in years.
So for few hundred people, Apple should provide sub-standard operating system to support you, get real! Even worse waste money and time keeping this support and then majority of us do not require it, but we are paying for the R&D to keep the support in SL.
There are enough solutions to ensure your life is not diffcult, like missing sync, which is great solution.
Apple have transitioned to intel based Macs and needed to cut lifeline from PPC suport with concerning to the operating system, since the precentage of core customers with PPC is small.
Progress will involve some diffcult decisions, but it usually for the good of EVERYONE.
You know it's easy to read too much into this. Had SL come out a month before Pre, nobody would have batted an eyelid.
At it's heart, this is about Apple removing some legacy code from the OS. Given they are cutting the footprint of the OS by 7Gb, I bet there is a lot more legacy stuff gone than just the iSync.
And given that Apple likely had to reverse engineer the layout of Palm's address book "database" (it's really just chunks), there's probably some code that's very specific about packing in there. While it's not exactly hard to port, it's more involved than most code. So it's in moments like the 64-bit transition that legacy code like this is appraised and cut.
Indeed. Remaining Treo/Tungsten users are going to have to scramble to find a new solution. All three of you.
When my first gen iPhone died, I bought a Treo 680 and been happier with it. Sure, I miss Wifi and webbrowsing, but I don't have to worry about amazingly large libraries of POS apps and have a lot more calendar options (like actually having those different colored calendars show up in the Treo) and a sweet keyboard.
Oh and the Palm support in iSync has never been any good anyway.
Anyway, Missing Sync was always better than the native Palm isync plugin.
The only people they're smacking down are their customers. Looks like I won't be upgrading to Snow Leopard any time soon and I might have to rethink my iPhone plans when my contract upgrade comes in december. Very Jobs like to take it out on the users.
You must be joking. I'd rather throw away my entire collection of Palm OS products for the chance to use Snow Leopard.
Honestly, Palm is not someone worth supporting, saving, or crying about. Honestly I hope Apple eventually puts Palm out of business, then sues them for being thieves.
Having just found out about The Missing Sync, that looks to be some great software...
It's great if you like losing contacts and having all this junk inserted into your address book continually. I am still cleaning out "E-mail" whenever I find it. You better have some damn desperate reason to keep on Palm classic because that crap is well crap at this point. I mean, yes innovative - in 1995. Not much since then.