Apple's Snow Leopard upgrades Mac OS X, downgrades Flash

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  • Reply 41 of 73
    asciiascii Posts: 5,936member
    They should have a checkbox to turn it off, like with Java. It is important enough and troublesome enough to be mentioned by name and be able to be turned off without disabling all plugins.
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  • Reply 42 of 73
    takeotakeo Posts: 447member
    Easiest way to completely disable Flash in Safari is just to go to the "Security" tab and uncheck "Enable plug-ins". But that'll disable all plug-ins. Alternately you could just uninstall Flash. Trash that sucker from /Library/Internet Plug-ins/. Of course... some evil web designers will invariably create navigation... or entire sites... that ONLY work with Flash. Nice job bobo. So with all that said... I have to say... I'm LOVING this Click To Flash plugin! Sweet solution to most Flash annoyance!
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  • Reply 43 of 73
    mpwmpw Posts: 156member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post


    ...Flash is a third party plug-in after all. Apple is not responsible for shipping anything for Adobe...



    I think the issue here is that Apple is taking responsibility for shipping Adobe's software in this case, and they're not forewarning the user.
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  • Reply 44 of 73
    brucepbrucep Posts: 2,823member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    So just upgrade it.



    Big deal.



    Graham Cluley is a British computer programmer and 'Senior Technology Consultant ' at Sophos. So some antivirus outfit is rendering their opinion on the matter. Time to tune out.



    WHY does adobe not love apple ???
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  • Reply 45 of 73
    brucepbrucep Posts: 2,823member
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    Originally Posted by chromos View Post


    As people have mentioned, ClickToFlash. It's fantastic.



    Hello . I went there and read the whole link .I still don't understand this whole flash hubbub ??

    Isn't QT better ??
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  • Reply 46 of 73
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,953member
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    Originally Posted by brucep View Post


    Hello . I went there and read the whole link .I still don't understand this whole flash hubbub ??

    Isn't QT better ??



    For what again? Quicktime is good for video, almost not any good for interactive anything, and Quicktime only has about half the user base too. I expect Flash to be gradually pushed out as HTML 5 gets accepted, but that's a long haul, and I doubt HTML 5 is a complete replacement.
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  • Reply 47 of 73
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by themoonisdown09 View Post


    I wonder why Snow Leopard downgrades the Flash player? What's the reason behind it? There actually could be no reason and it's just a mistake.



    like many here I don't know what the whining is all about, 10.6 issomething that was frozen some time ago. Like all OSes it has a lot of outdated software. SO as a user you update what is important to you.



    Otherwise I'm not sure what the big deal is, no body complains about the old version of Python for example. It's a non issue if you ask me, update and move on.







    Dave
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  • Reply 48 of 73
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post


    Otherwise I'm not sure what the big deal is, no body complains about the old version of Python for example.



    Outdated != insecure. Older versions of Python still receive updates for some time since not everyone wants or can update to the latest version.
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  • Reply 49 of 73
    phizzphizz Posts: 142member
    Adobe should be grateful that Apple even decided to bundle Flash. Big deal about the minor version difference.
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  • Reply 50 of 73
    cmf2cmf2 Posts: 1,427member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Erunno View Post


    Outdated != insecure. Older versions of Python still receive updates for some time since not everyone wants or can update to the latest version.



    From reading other forums it seems that this exploit has not affected anyone in the wild, and as a Mac user you are not at vulnerable unless you actively change flash to be the default pdf viewer instead of preview. Has anyone ever done that?
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  • Reply 51 of 73
    Any chance Adobe will "step back" and look hard at the Flash Player and rewrite it? It seems to me that now would be a great time to do it because things have reached a plateau.
    1. OS X - 64-bit, Cocoa, OpenCL, Grand Central Dispatch

    2. Windows 7 - 64-bit, Vista "fixed", IE less dominate and more standards compliant

    3. Linux/BSD - Both are getting more love every day.

    4. Smart Phones - These can browse the internet and play video

    5. Netbooks - Basically a smart phone, but with the added ability to do computer work.

    6. Multi-core processors - While the OS can deal with it as it is now, working with the OS would make things run smoother.

    7. HTML5 - I do not expect the video tag to topple Flash, but it could creep up on Adobe like Firefox did to Microsoft.

    8. Silverlight - Microsoft knows they can't control the web using IE, but they can make a plugin that works with the major browsers running on Windows and OS X. Microsoft is already requiring Silverlight for some videos on their website.

    Silverlight should be Adobe's main concern because Microsoft has had some serious blows to their dominance in the last 5+ years and they have been backed into a corner, figuratively speaking, so they are fighting back. A quick list is
    • Search - Google took care of this a while back

    • Web Browser - Firefox disrupted Microsoft's plans of tying new versions of IE to new versions of Windows. Apple furthered this disruption with WebKit, and now we have more browsers than ever on Windows. OS X, Linux, and *BSD.

    • Music - iPod, iTunes, iTunes Store sidelined Microsoft's audio codec(s). The removal of DRM from music gave WMA another push

    • Video - QuickTime has always been a thorn in Microsoft's side, but the iTunes Store pushed MP4 even more. Let us not forget some movies come with a digital copy made specifically for the iPod.

    • Phone - The iPhone sucker punched Windows Mobile, the App Store is brilliant, and I believe Android is making headway.

    • Operating System - Vista was a major fumble while OS X improved and went Intel making it easy for people to install XP on a Mac so they could transition at their leisure.

    • Netbooks - This did a double whammy because Vista couldn't run on these, so no new Vista copy used, and Microsoft had to continue letting XP get sold at a major discount to stem Linux from dominating the netbooks, more XP copies that are being used.

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  • Reply 52 of 73
    I guess Apple was too busy with their own code to triple check for the last Flash update before going Gold Master. That's too bad. Maybe they should write a script in 10.6.1 that will always compare the installed Flash version with the current Flash version posted over at Adobe upon launching Safari so it will automatically go over to the Flash install page when they don't jive.
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  • Reply 53 of 73
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,953member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Multimedia View Post


    I guess Apple was too busy with their own code to triple check for the last Flash update before going Gold Master. That's too bad. Maybe they should write a script in 10.6.1 that will always compare the installed Flash version with the current Flash version posted over at Adobe upon launching Safari so it will automatically go over to the Flash install page when they don't jive.



    You may think a month is a long time, but probably not for developing such a major project. The way I understand these big projects, they gradually reduce the circumstances that they allow software changes.
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  • Reply 54 of 73
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


    You may think a month is a long time, but probably not for developing such a major project. The way I understand these big projects, they gradually reduce the circumstances that they allow software changes.



    Right. Plus running the update over at Adobe takes all of a few seconds to finish. It's nice to know we have AI looking out for our best interests all the time though.
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  • Reply 55 of 73
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chromos View Post


    As people have mentioned, ClickToFlash. It's fantastic.



    Just downloaded and installed....thanks for the link!
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  • Reply 56 of 73
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Erunno View Post


    Safari -> Preferences -> Security -> Activate plug-ins (or similar, I'm running a non-english version). Do yourself a favor and use ClickToFlash instead.



    Thanks, just did!
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  • Reply 57 of 73
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ascii View Post


    They should have a checkbox to turn it off, like with Java. It is important enough and troublesome enough to be mentioned by name and be able to be turned off without disabling all plugins.



    Yes that's what I was hoping for, too.
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  • Reply 58 of 73
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Takeo View Post


    Easiest way to completely disable Flash in Safari is just to go to the "Security" tab and uncheck "Enable plug-ins". But that'll disable all plug-ins. Alternately you could just uninstall Flash. Trash that sucker from /Library/Internet Plug-ins/. Of course... some evil web designers will invariably create navigation... or entire sites... that ONLY work with Flash. Nice job bobo. So with all that said... I have to say... I'm LOVING this Click To Flash plugin! Sweet solution to most Flash annoyance!



    Yep, I see your point....Similarly my real estate firm just redesigned their website where 'Pop-Ups' have to be ON!



    WTF! What was this webmaster thinking?



    So in Safari, there is no way to turn pop-ups off but choose to leave it on for a certain website. It's all or nothing! Sheez!



    And don't get me started on the MLS websites with .aspx whatever that is. It's just incredible these hacks can get away with designing clumsy, archaic, websites.
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  • Reply 59 of 73
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by brucep View Post


    WHY does adobe not love apple ???



    Yeah, right on. That's the real story here. It may be, as some suggested, just an oversight or coincidence, but given their history....who knows!
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  • Reply 60 of 73
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by themoonisdown09 View Post


    I wonder why Snow Leopard downgrades the Flash player? What's the reason behind it? There actually could be no reason and it's just a mistake.



    A major software release like Snow Leopard contains thousands of pieces of software, it's hard to catch everything all the time.



    It could depend on when the package structure was put together, which would usually drive the versions of third-party content included.



    On top of that, if you're doing your job right, you can't just replace one of those items, or shouldn't, without testing its effect on the product.



    Given time constraints, it's probably better to go with what you know works, and deal with upgrading after installation.



    It's not like Apple did this on purpose to make Adobe (or Apple, for that matter) look bad.
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