Good luck to them all. Their products look pretty bulky and not very innovative. The Archos looks pretty pain. I don't know why anyone would buy an Archos. I'd buy a Zune HD long before an Archos.
Market Share for Android means less for Apple. Like the early 90's and countless hardware vendors wanting Microsoft on the desktop you're seeing it all over with Android.
Google doesn't license all of their OS's for Free. It's based on the carrier and what functions of Android they want to use. Free for some but most pay royalties on every device sold (sound familiar?). Do your own research next time.
Why would Google pull their Apps from Apple? Why would Apple reject Google's Apps that were free? Go figure. It is business after all.
It would be great if you read the post you were commenting on. Asking me the same question I asked you is a bit mental. You’re the one that "It would be be interesting to see if Google pulls their Apps from Apple in the same manor Apple is trying to block the Pre at every point.”
First of all, Apple has pulled no apps that Palm has created so the comment of “in the same manor” makes no sense.
Secondly, the problem with the Pre is that they aren’t making an app, but pretending to be an iPod violating the USB-IF by incorrectly stating the device manufacture. It’s not illegal, but it’s a cheap thing to do to customers paying $400 for a phone that then have to pay $70/month for 2 years. If Palm had simply made an app like RiM did that ties into the iTunes Library then this wouldn’t be an issue, though i’m sure you’d make something else up to bitch about.
Third, From what I’ve read Google’s voice app has not been rejected as of August 21st.
Fourth, Marketshare is really only important if profits are increasing with them. So far, Linux has not interfered with Apple’s business and in fact they have assisted each other in many ways over the years.
Last, why don’t “school” us all on how it benefits Google’s bottom line to remove all its apps from Macs, which i’m sure must include any web apps that Google has made. How exactly would that even do that? Would they have to stop using the WebKit browser engine that Apple funds?
It would be great if you read the post you were commenting on. Asking me the same question I asked you is a bit mental. You?re the one that "It would be be interesting to see if Google pulls their Apps from Apple in the same manor Apple is trying to block the Pre at every point.?
First of all, Apple has pulled no apps that Palm has created so the comment of ?in the same manor? makes no sense.
Secondly, the problem with the Pre is that they aren?t making an app, but pretending to be an iPod violating the USB-IF by incorrectly stating the device manufacture. It?s not illegal, but it?s a cheap thing to do to customers paying $400 for a phone that then have to pay $70/month for 2 years. If Palm had simply made an app like RiM did that ties into the iTunes Library then this wouldn?t be an issue, though i?m sure you?d make something else up to bitch about.
Third, From what I?ve read Google?s voice app has not been rejected as of August 21st.
Fourth, Marketshare is really only important if profits are increasing with them. So far, Linux has not interfered with Apple?s business and in fact they have assisted each other in many ways over the years.
Last, why don?t ?school? us all on how it benefits Google?s bottom line to remove all its apps from Macs, which i?m sure must include any web apps that Google has made. How exactly would that even do that? Would they have to stop using the WebKit browser engine that Apple funds?
4th.
You can't engage a conversation with a closed mind. No need to comment.
I think they look pretty good. I also noticed that they accept any stylus while the iPhone/iPodTouch can only use metal based styli for conductivity. Is this correct?
Anyway this is good competition. Apple needs to step up. I think we have enough iPods by now.
Anyway this is good competition. Apple needs to step up. I think we have enough iPods by now.
+1
When the latest 'big news' is silly video cameras in the ipod nano, you know Apple is really struggling to find some way to refresh the lineup. Ipods are still great for what they are, but they are pretty washed up as far as being the next big whiz-bang thing. I'm looking forward to what they do in the netbook realm now.
Did you guys suddenly change your name to Engadget?
This really isn't Apple news, certainly not Apple Insider worthy.
Just the Apple Facts, Ma'am!
I second this motion. All the non-Apple news is causing too much hatred around here. I come here to see what Apple is up to, not IBM or Toshiba or Microsoft. They have their own sites.
But Appleinsider has seemed to like to bash the Apple competition recently... if that counts as "Apple" news. Ugh.
You can't engage a conversation with a closed mind. No need to comment.
when you use the word 'apple fanboys' in your first post in a thread, you clearly don't earn any credibility around here. to insult a user with a long history of contributing here doesn't help.
you also don't seem to know where google makes its money: it's from the ads they display on their search results. for example from the default 'google search' in safari. it is a business after all, as you pointed out. it would be foolish for google and apple to get into a pissing contest.
as far as google and apple being in competition - i'd say: not yet. it's the winmo manufacturing crowd that seems to be jumping ship to android the fastest.
Do any of these devices have a capacitive touch display?
Resistive is fine for use with a stylus but rubbish for use with finger touch alone.
Also, Microsoft have had their chance at a tablet os with windows xp tablet edition and manufacturers spawned the same shit machines then as lenovo have this week. At least some of the tablets back then were a bit slimmer and looked better when the screen was rotated and locked in tablet mode.
What is needed is a LIGHT and SMALL MacBook: about 400-500 g or less and as small as possible (pocketable would be great), with video-out and USB. For Keynote and PowerPoint presentations. Because even the MacBook Air is too heavy, too large and too port limited.
Do any of these devices have a capacitive touch display?
Resistive is fine for use with a stylus but rubbish for use with finger touch alone.
And capacitive touch is fine for general use but unless the Apple Tablet will have an active digitizer, hopefully a wacom built in, it'll be a big disappointment.
And capacitive touch is fine for general use but unless the Apple Tablet will have an active digitizer, hopefully a wacom built in, it'll be a big disappointment.
I haven’t heard of Apple ever licensing Wacom’s electromagnetic resonance technology but you never know. It is nice that the tablet powers the pen, but I wonder if that also comes with a power tradeoff where a rechargeable pen with small battery that would last a very long time between charges would be a better overall tradeoff. After all, it’s not like creating a capacitive resistence to mimic a finger requires much power. I’m sure Apple would test to see which fits their needs best.
That said, I have doubts that any tablet Apple would release would focus on even having a stylus. That is not to say that a stylus wouldn’t come in handy with many distinct apps, but Apple may just sell it as an accessory or let 3rd-parties take of it as they already do for those that want a stylus for their iPhone or Touch. This would be especially true if this theoretical tablet is to focus more on the consumer market, not on specific professional occupations where these tablet devices tend to get used.
I haven’t heard of Apple ever licensing Wacom’s electromagnetic resonance technology but you never know. It is nice that the tablet powers the pen, but I wonder if that also comes with a power tradeoff where a rechargeable pen with small battery that would last a very long time between charges would be a better overall tradeoff. After all, it’s not like creating a capacitive resistence to mimic a phalange requires much power. I’m sure Apple would test to see which fits their needs best.
That said, I have doubts that any tablet Apple would release would focus on even having a stylus. That is not to say that a stylus wouldn’t come in handy with many distance apps, but Apple may just sell it as an accessory or let 3rd-parties take of it as they already do for those that want a stylus for their iPhone or Touch. Especially if this theoretical tablet is to focus more on the consumer market, not on specific professional occupations where these tablet devices tend to get used.
Agreed, but marketing the tablet for professionals, and especially students (a significant portion of the consumer base), would innovate the market and proliferate the use. For example, imagine for starters how great it would be to be able to do the following on a computer or tablet: sketch, takes notes in class, add handwritten diagrams to your word documents and read and take notes in the margins of PDFs and eBooks, while underlining specific passages, not to mention finally being able to write musical scores, etc...
Agreed, but marketing the tablet for professionals, and especially students (a significant portion of the consumer base), would innovate the market and proliferate the use. For example, imagine for starters how great it would be to be able to do the following on a computer or tablet: sketch, takes notes in class, add handwritten diagrams to your word documents and read and take notes in the margins of PDFs and eBooks, while underlining specific passages, not to mention finally being able to write musical scores, etc...
I've done some experimenting with home-made styli on the iPhone.
Things work pretty well "as is", even though the iPhone wasn't designed for stylus input.
You can do a decent job of handwriting, hand printing and drawing on the iPhone.
Because of the way the iPhone is currently setup, the stylus needs to present a flat touch with about a 30-pixel radius. So the stylus needs a flat-tipped nib of about 1/4 inch diameter. This must be touched straight down, or the barrel above the nib must be flexible, so the entire nib surface touches the display when the stylus is used at a normal angle (like a pen or pencil).
If Apple were interested in supporting a stylus there are some [seemingly minor] things they could do:
1) have a system-wide stylus mode-- say a 4-finger tap to activate or deactivate. This way you could draw on anything.
2) In stylus mode recognize a smaller radius (than the current 30-pixel) as valid input. Currently, anything smaller is rejected as noise. This would allow a much smaller nib.
3) allow any document file to have an associated "annotation" file or layer.
4) recognize a BlueTooth interface to a stylus that detects pressure, so that line thickness can be varied (by the software)
5) incorporate artifacts, shapes, smoothing, etc.
I believe that it would be great to use a stylus as an option for input on a Apple Tablet.
Below are some examples using a stylus with the Sketches app (the first iPhone app I bought).
The hardest part is touching straight down on the small surface.
If Apple were interested in supporting a stylus there are some [seemingly minor] things they could do:
1) have a system-wide stylus mode-- say a 4-finger tap to activate or deactivate. This way you could draw on anything.
2) In stylus mode recognize a smaller radius (than the current 30-pixel) as valid input. Currently, anything smaller is rejected as noise. This would allow a much smaller nib.
3) allow any document file to have an associated "annotation" file or layer.
4) recognize a BlueTooth interface to a stylus that detects pressure, so that line thickness can be varied (by the software)
5) incorporate artifacts, shapes, smoothing, etc.
I believe that it would be great to use a stylus as an option for input on a Apple Tablet.
Those are very nice suggestions, especially the added layer in documents, which makes it ez to amend current apps. But I'd be worried that the touchscreen will never be good enough, even if the radius were made smaller (that wouldn't exactly give pressure sensitivity). What would really be nice then is to have an upgrade option for those willing to pay the premium to get a dual capacity screen that has both touchscreen interface for everyday tasks, and an active digitizer like Wacom's for more refined usage, that, as you say, would be activated by some kind of gesture.
I think they look pretty good. I also noticed that they accept any stylus while the iPhone/iPodTouch can only use metal based styli for conductivity. Is this correct?
Anyway this is good competition. Apple needs to step up. I think we have enough iPods by now.
Actually, I disagree. This isn't good competition and there is nothing there for apple to step up to. If it's a bad business model it's bad business, there is no need for a company to get into something that the market isn't clamoring for. Excluding the 'techies' of the world, who is actually buying tablets and the like in mass?
I've done some experimenting with home-made styli on the iPhone.
Things work pretty well "as is", even though the iPhone wasn't designed for stylus input.
You can do a decent job of handwriting, hand printing and drawing on the iPhone.
Because of the way the iPhone is currently setup, the stylus needs to present a flat touch with about a 30-pixel radius. So the stylus needs a flat-tipped nib of about 1/4 inch diameter. This must be touched straight down, or the barrel above the nib must be flexible, so the entire nib surface touches the display when the stylus is used at a normal angle (like a pen or pencil).
If Apple were interested in supporting a stylus there are some [seemingly minor] things they could do:
1) have a system-wide stylus mode-- say a 4-finger tap to activate or deactivate. This way you could draw on anything.
2) In stylus mode recognize a smaller radius (than the current 30-pixel) as valid input. Currently, anything smaller is rejected as noise. This would allow a much smaller nib.
3) allow any document file to have an associated "annotation" file or layer.
4) recognize a BlueTooth interface to a stylus that detects pressure, so that line thickness can be varied (by the software)
5) incorporate artifacts, shapes, smoothing, etc.
I believe that it would be great to use a stylus as an option for input on a Apple Tablet.
Below are some examples using a stylus with the Sketches app (the first iPhone app I bought).
The hardest part is touching straight down on the small surface.
... now, what did I do with that darn stylus ...
you are a secret apple agent right ?? great posts dude
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Market Share for Android means less for Apple. Like the early 90's and countless hardware vendors wanting Microsoft on the desktop you're seeing it all over with Android.
Google doesn't license all of their OS's for Free. It's based on the carrier and what functions of Android they want to use. Free for some but most pay royalties on every device sold (sound familiar?). Do your own research next time.
Why would Google pull their Apps from Apple? Why would Apple reject Google's Apps that were free? Go figure. It is business after all.
It would be great if you read the post you were commenting on. Asking me the same question I asked you is a bit mental. You’re the one that "It would be be interesting to see if Google pulls their Apps from Apple in the same manor Apple is trying to block the Pre at every point.”
First of all, Apple has pulled no apps that Palm has created so the comment of “in the same manor” makes no sense.
Secondly, the problem with the Pre is that they aren’t making an app, but pretending to be an iPod violating the USB-IF by incorrectly stating the device manufacture. It’s not illegal, but it’s a cheap thing to do to customers paying $400 for a phone that then have to pay $70/month for 2 years. If Palm had simply made an app like RiM did that ties into the iTunes Library then this wouldn’t be an issue, though i’m sure you’d make something else up to bitch about.
Third, From what I’ve read Google’s voice app has not been rejected as of August 21st.
Fourth, Marketshare is really only important if profits are increasing with them. So far, Linux has not interfered with Apple’s business and in fact they have assisted each other in many ways over the years.
Last, why don’t “school” us all on how it benefits Google’s bottom line to remove all its apps from Macs, which i’m sure must include any web apps that Google has made. How exactly would that even do that? Would they have to stop using the WebKit browser engine that Apple funds?
It would be great if you read the post you were commenting on. Asking me the same question I asked you is a bit mental. You?re the one that "It would be be interesting to see if Google pulls their Apps from Apple in the same manor Apple is trying to block the Pre at every point.?
First of all, Apple has pulled no apps that Palm has created so the comment of ?in the same manor? makes no sense.
Secondly, the problem with the Pre is that they aren?t making an app, but pretending to be an iPod violating the USB-IF by incorrectly stating the device manufacture. It?s not illegal, but it?s a cheap thing to do to customers paying $400 for a phone that then have to pay $70/month for 2 years. If Palm had simply made an app like RiM did that ties into the iTunes Library then this wouldn?t be an issue, though i?m sure you?d make something else up to bitch about.
Third, From what I?ve read Google?s voice app has not been rejected as of August 21st.
Fourth, Marketshare is really only important if profits are increasing with them. So far, Linux has not interfered with Apple?s business and in fact they have assisted each other in many ways over the years.
Last, why don?t ?school? us all on how it benefits Google?s bottom line to remove all its apps from Macs, which i?m sure must include any web apps that Google has made. How exactly would that even do that? Would they have to stop using the WebKit browser engine that Apple funds?
4th.
You can't engage a conversation with a closed mind. No need to comment.
4th.
You can't engage a conversation with a closed mind. No need to comment.
5th.
You're obviously an idiot as that is the "cheapest" comment you could possibly make to someone challenging your point of view.
Anyway this is good competition. Apple needs to step up. I think we have enough iPods by now.
Anyway this is good competition. Apple needs to step up. I think we have enough iPods by now.
+1
When the latest 'big news' is silly video cameras in the ipod nano, you know Apple is really struggling to find some way to refresh the lineup. Ipods are still great for what they are, but they are pretty washed up as far as being the next big whiz-bang thing. I'm looking forward to what they do in the netbook realm now.
Did you guys suddenly change your name to Engadget?
This really isn't Apple news, certainly not Apple Insider worthy.
Just the Apple Facts, Ma'am!
I second this motion. All the non-Apple news is causing too much hatred around here. I come here to see what Apple is up to, not IBM or Toshiba or Microsoft. They have their own sites.
But Appleinsider has seemed to like to bash the Apple competition recently... if that counts as "Apple" news. Ugh.
4th.
You can't engage a conversation with a closed mind. No need to comment.
when you use the word 'apple fanboys' in your first post in a thread, you clearly don't earn any credibility around here. to insult a user with a long history of contributing here doesn't help.
you also don't seem to know where google makes its money: it's from the ads they display on their search results. for example from the default 'google search' in safari. it is a business after all, as you pointed out. it would be foolish for google and apple to get into a pissing contest.
as far as google and apple being in competition - i'd say: not yet. it's the winmo manufacturing crowd that seems to be jumping ship to android the fastest.
no go troll precentral...
..like a POS with Windows 7 to boot. Let them bring out the crap, so that the Apple version will really show them how its done.
Resistive is fine for use with a stylus but rubbish for use with finger touch alone.
Also, Microsoft have had their chance at a tablet os with windows xp tablet edition and manufacturers spawned the same shit machines then as lenovo have this week. At least some of the tablets back then were a bit slimmer and looked better when the screen was rotated and locked in tablet mode.
What is needed is a LIGHT and SMALL MacBook: about 400-500 g or less and as small as possible (pocketable would be great), with video-out and USB. For Keynote and PowerPoint presentations. Because even the MacBook Air is too heavy, too large and too port limited.
Do any of these devices have a capacitive touch display?
Resistive is fine for use with a stylus but rubbish for use with finger touch alone.
And capacitive touch is fine for general use but unless the Apple Tablet will have an active digitizer, hopefully a wacom built in, it'll be a big disappointment.
And capacitive touch is fine for general use but unless the Apple Tablet will have an active digitizer, hopefully a wacom built in, it'll be a big disappointment.
I haven’t heard of Apple ever licensing Wacom’s electromagnetic resonance technology but you never know. It is nice that the tablet powers the pen, but I wonder if that also comes with a power tradeoff where a rechargeable pen with small battery that would last a very long time between charges would be a better overall tradeoff. After all, it’s not like creating a capacitive resistence to mimic a finger requires much power. I’m sure Apple would test to see which fits their needs best.
That said, I have doubts that any tablet Apple would release would focus on even having a stylus. That is not to say that a stylus wouldn’t come in handy with many distinct apps, but Apple may just sell it as an accessory or let 3rd-parties take of it as they already do for those that want a stylus for their iPhone or Touch. This would be especially true if this theoretical tablet is to focus more on the consumer market, not on specific professional occupations where these tablet devices tend to get used.
I haven’t heard of Apple ever licensing Wacom’s electromagnetic resonance technology but you never know. It is nice that the tablet powers the pen, but I wonder if that also comes with a power tradeoff where a rechargeable pen with small battery that would last a very long time between charges would be a better overall tradeoff. After all, it’s not like creating a capacitive resistence to mimic a phalange requires much power. I’m sure Apple would test to see which fits their needs best.
That said, I have doubts that any tablet Apple would release would focus on even having a stylus. That is not to say that a stylus wouldn’t come in handy with many distance apps, but Apple may just sell it as an accessory or let 3rd-parties take of it as they already do for those that want a stylus for their iPhone or Touch. Especially if this theoretical tablet is to focus more on the consumer market, not on specific professional occupations where these tablet devices tend to get used.
Agreed, but marketing the tablet for professionals, and especially students (a significant portion of the consumer base), would innovate the market and proliferate the use. For example, imagine for starters how great it would be to be able to do the following on a computer or tablet: sketch, takes notes in class, add handwritten diagrams to your word documents and read and take notes in the margins of PDFs and eBooks, while underlining specific passages, not to mention finally being able to write musical scores, etc...
Agreed, but marketing the tablet for professionals, and especially students (a significant portion of the consumer base), would innovate the market and proliferate the use. For example, imagine for starters how great it would be to be able to do the following on a computer or tablet: sketch, takes notes in class, add handwritten diagrams to your word documents and read and take notes in the margins of PDFs and eBooks, while underlining specific passages, not to mention finally being able to write musical scores, etc...
I've done some experimenting with home-made styli on the iPhone.
Things work pretty well "as is", even though the iPhone wasn't designed for stylus input.
You can do a decent job of handwriting, hand printing and drawing on the iPhone.
Because of the way the iPhone is currently setup, the stylus needs to present a flat touch with about a 30-pixel radius. So the stylus needs a flat-tipped nib of about 1/4 inch diameter. This must be touched straight down, or the barrel above the nib must be flexible, so the entire nib surface touches the display when the stylus is used at a normal angle (like a pen or pencil).
If Apple were interested in supporting a stylus there are some [seemingly minor] things they could do:
1) have a system-wide stylus mode-- say a 4-finger tap to activate or deactivate. This way you could draw on anything.
2) In stylus mode recognize a smaller radius (than the current 30-pixel) as valid input. Currently, anything smaller is rejected as noise. This would allow a much smaller nib.
3) allow any document file to have an associated "annotation" file or layer.
4) recognize a BlueTooth interface to a stylus that detects pressure, so that line thickness can be varied (by the software)
5) incorporate artifacts, shapes, smoothing, etc.
I believe that it would be great to use a stylus as an option for input on a Apple Tablet.
Below are some examples using a stylus with the Sketches app (the first iPhone app I bought).
The hardest part is touching straight down on the small surface.
... now, what did I do with that darn stylus ...
If Apple were interested in supporting a stylus there are some [seemingly minor] things they could do:
1) have a system-wide stylus mode-- say a 4-finger tap to activate or deactivate. This way you could draw on anything.
2) In stylus mode recognize a smaller radius (than the current 30-pixel) as valid input. Currently, anything smaller is rejected as noise. This would allow a much smaller nib.
3) allow any document file to have an associated "annotation" file or layer.
4) recognize a BlueTooth interface to a stylus that detects pressure, so that line thickness can be varied (by the software)
5) incorporate artifacts, shapes, smoothing, etc.
I believe that it would be great to use a stylus as an option for input on a Apple Tablet.
Those are very nice suggestions, especially the added layer in documents, which makes it ez to amend current apps. But I'd be worried that the touchscreen will never be good enough, even if the radius were made smaller (that wouldn't exactly give pressure sensitivity). What would really be nice then is to have an upgrade option for those willing to pay the premium to get a dual capacity screen that has both touchscreen interface for everyday tasks, and an active digitizer like Wacom's for more refined usage, that, as you say, would be activated by some kind of gesture.
Apple will shake this segment up completely.
Lenovo, HP, Fujitsu. LOL.
I think they look pretty good. I also noticed that they accept any stylus while the iPhone/iPodTouch can only use metal based styli for conductivity. Is this correct?
Anyway this is good competition. Apple needs to step up. I think we have enough iPods by now.
Actually, I disagree. This isn't good competition and there is nothing there for apple to step up to. If it's a bad business model it's bad business, there is no need for a company to get into something that the market isn't clamoring for. Excluding the 'techies' of the world, who is actually buying tablets and the like in mass?
I've done some experimenting with home-made styli on the iPhone.
Things work pretty well "as is", even though the iPhone wasn't designed for stylus input.
You can do a decent job of handwriting, hand printing and drawing on the iPhone.
Because of the way the iPhone is currently setup, the stylus needs to present a flat touch with about a 30-pixel radius. So the stylus needs a flat-tipped nib of about 1/4 inch diameter. This must be touched straight down, or the barrel above the nib must be flexible, so the entire nib surface touches the display when the stylus is used at a normal angle (like a pen or pencil).
If Apple were interested in supporting a stylus there are some [seemingly minor] things they could do:
1) have a system-wide stylus mode-- say a 4-finger tap to activate or deactivate. This way you could draw on anything.
2) In stylus mode recognize a smaller radius (than the current 30-pixel) as valid input. Currently, anything smaller is rejected as noise. This would allow a much smaller nib.
3) allow any document file to have an associated "annotation" file or layer.
4) recognize a BlueTooth interface to a stylus that detects pressure, so that line thickness can be varied (by the software)
5) incorporate artifacts, shapes, smoothing, etc.
I believe that it would be great to use a stylus as an option for input on a Apple Tablet.
Below are some examples using a stylus with the Sketches app (the first iPhone app I bought).
The hardest part is touching straight down on the small surface.
... now, what did I do with that darn stylus ...
you are a secret apple agent right ?? great posts dude
i love them
peace 9