...We certainly don't need governmental oversight.
Debatable. But when the government asks for comments Apple and AT&T shouldn't lie. Those letters were beyond deceptive and both companies should have their feet held to the fire over them.
"The application has not been approved because, as submitted for review, it appears to alter the iPhone?s distinctive user experience by replacing the iPhone?s core mobile telephone functionality?The Google Voice application replaces Apple?s Visual Voicemail by routing calls through a separate Google Voice telephone number that stores any voicemail, preventing voicemail from being stored on the iPhone, i.e., disabling Apple?s Visual Voicemail.
Let's correct your bolding of Apple's statement.
"The application has not been approved because, as submitted for review, it appears to alter the iPhone?s distinctive user experience by replacing the iPhone?s core mobile telephone functionality?The Google Voice application replaces Apple?s Visual Voicemail by routing calls through a separate Google Voice telephone number that stores any voicemail, preventing voicemail from being stored on the iPhone, i.e., disabling Apple?s Visual Voicemail
Their own example of 'replacing' make it clear they do not mean removing. It 'replaces' it by 'routing' calls through a different number...not be actually removing any core files. Which, one would hope you would understand by now, would be virtually impossible...do you think Apple's AppStore installer on the iPhone could be instructed to remove 'core' iPhone functionality? Really?
Even their wording choice of "by routing calls through a separate Google Voice telephone number"m which is clear enough, is misleading to some. Only calls that are made to your GV number would go to your GV voice mail. ANY calls made to your iPhone phone number would go to your carrier VVM, as normal.
And how GV can be harmful to carriers network security?
Any WinMo phone, Blacberry phone, Palm phone has been a treat to network security?
Let me have the keys to your car then.
Yea, I thought so.
It's because Apple doesn't trust Google and for good reason.
Apple is a vertically integrated company, meaning THEY provide the core hardware and software.
If Google's programs gain so much widespread use, THEY can dictate the hardware, much like Microsoft does.
When Google's software breaches everyone's security and privacy one day, only Apple with their OWN core programs will be safe, because Apple has it's hardware business on the line if it fails in security and or privacy.
Google has nothing to lose, it's in Uncle Sam's pocket.
What nonsense. It's Apple's phone, UI and App Store and they can do whatever they want with it. Case closed.
Exactly. Complete garbage. And from google from crying out loud. Google calling for anti-trust protection is the proverbial pope calling someone else catholic.
What nonsense. It's Apple's phone, UI and App Store and they can do whatever they want with it. Case closed.
Are you an IP lawyer? I didn't think so... So, are you so sure of that? I seem to remember reading about how similar thought processes got IBM and Microsoft in trouble in the past...
If Apple or AT&T was willing to let me out of my contract to do that + refund my money for the phone I bought so I could replace with the phone that allows GV because that's my preference then that would be an option. The fact of the matter is Apple is not allowing me to choose what software to run on my phone and I have a huge problem with that.. I now understand the need for jailbrakers to have control of their devices and why I just chose to do the same with mine.. This really grinds my gears...
Which doesn't change the fact that your iPhone has at least the same functionality now as it did the day you bought it.
Their own example of 'replacing' make it clear they do not mean removing.
Although the proponents of GV keep beating this point over the head, it hasn't seemed to me that anyone is really confused on this issue about what Apple meant by 'replacing'.
I generally think Apple should allow pretty much any app to run on the iPhone, including those that some might find objectionable, but it's clear that the dual purpose of GV is to subvert the iPhone as a platform, and to allow google to get their hands on as much information about you and anyone in your contacts or anyone who calls you as they can.
In the first case, I think Apple is justified, in every sense of the word, in protecting themselves by rejecting GV.
In the second case, I think it's insane to turn over all of your personal information to Google. But, what really irks me is Google enticing you with their tech candy to turn over my personal information to them as well, without my permission.
I wonder how Google would feel about Apple building a version of Safari for a phone on the Android platform?
I love Google, but don't feel like they should have the right to invade every piece of technology I own. Apple should maintain the right to control apps for it's own phone. The carriers have done this for years.
If you want Google Voice - make a choice - iPhone or Android. That's what capitalism and a free economy is all about - choice.
1. I doubt very much Google will care if Apple built a version of Safari for Android.
2. As for you not wanting Google invading all your tech, that is totally your decision and if that's how you feel, that is totally fine. But Apple merely allowing a GV app doesn't mean you are required to download it and install it on your iPhone. I don't really want fart noise apps on any smartphone I ever own, but that doesn't mean that Apple should disallow them for anybody that does want them. The bottomline is that other than the rather dubious "replicating core functionality" claim, a GV app does not in any way breach Apple's app store policies, nor their agreement with AT&T (at least none that has been made public) and is being held up for ambiguous reasons not germane to what is best for customers.
3. So then I assume you would also be in favor of Microsoft blocking use of iTunes on Windows PCs or Google blocking Macs when trying to access Gmail?
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich
What nonsense. It's Apple's phone, UI and App Store and they can do whatever they want with it. Case closed.
I really don't understand this argument. If you think Apple can do no wrong, then just say so. It would make more sense than what a lot of you are saying. But before you go and say that because a company made a product they can and should be allowed to cripple it any way they want, imagine a company you hate doing the same thing to Apple or a company you love, and then tell everybody how you're okay with it.
The other argument I keep seeing in favor of Apple blocking the app that I don't understand is that GV would cause a potential security breach. Could someone please explain to me how GV is any less secure than the address book on your iPhone, in Skype, or for that matter the one on your Mac itself? Before I worried about the security of an app that had just a bunch of phone numbers, I'd worry about the security of an app like the Mint app which has access to your bank accounts and credit card information for God's sake. I'm sure if security was the only problem, Google could make the app at least as secure as the Mint app.
I wonder how Google would feel about Apple building a version of Safari for a phone on the Android platform?
I love Google, but don't feel like they should have the right to invade every piece of technology I own. Apple should maintain the right to control apps for it's own phone. The carriers have done this for years.
If you want Google Voice - make a choice - iPhone or Android. That's what capitalism and a free economy is all about - choice.
Google created an OS that they have no control over, so if Apple wants to build a version of Safari for android they can-- and based on the last 6 months of decisions they've been making, they should do so if they wish to have any meaningful share of mobile browsers in a couple years.
No one is saying that Apple doesn't have the right to keep it out They do, it's their store and they can make any decision that doesn't take customer wishes into account that they like. It's just a bad business decision because basically, they are saying what you do in your last sentence to THEIR CUSTOMERS!! If you don't like, then buy someone else's product.
REALLY? As an Apple fanboy you support that approach? I don't as a fanboy or a stock holder. I want Apple to be viable. I want them to have the share to innovate,change the game. But decisions like this will hand the mobile OS win to Google/Android.
Right now it isn't viable to switch to Android. The Phones suck and they all seem to be on T-mobile-- which frankly is a selling point to me after 18 months of AT & T. But there are something like 19 android phones coming out in the next 6 months. Do you and APple really think they will all suck? How arrogant can this company be?
And when a good one or two comes out and the Android app store starts to really develop, the Iphone will be a fringe player. It looks good now and they have sold a ton but this kind of nonsense will drive people away from the platform.
Mark my words-- and I really hope I'm wrong because I love my Iphone and want it to stay viable-- but people will look back on these APP store problems as the start of Apple losing the market share war.... Defending Apple doesn't show loyalty, it shows a lack of business sense. They've tried this approach before-- trying to control everything-- and we all know how that turned out. I sense this isn't going to turn out much better...
You're about to get burned for this (not by me, I agree with you) - go put on your poncho for the incoming sh!t storm (unless of course 1/3 (more or less?) of the AI readers took Friday off!).
EDIT: Told ya
EDIT2: For curiosity sake it's less that I agree and more that, frankly, I don't give a crap about any of the apps that have ever been rejected (at least the ones that we know about)
LOL You're right. How dare I voice an opinion. It's amazing how uneducated some folks are about how much data Google collects on each of us and then uses that data to market to us directly and pointedly. All of the IT folks seem to be under the Google spell... "Google is great... they will never know too much about you... share what you search, when you search, who calls you... they are the best... Google will not hurt you... you are getting sleepy..." LMAO Meh.
That's an amazingly ignorant question. Android is open-source; even if Google *wanted* to stop development of Safari for Android, it would be impossible to do so, short of hunting down and killing every Safari developer on the planet.
You're the one being ignorant. Google negotiates with the Telcos just how they want the Android platform to operate within their ecosystem.
Android SDK:
Quote:
4.4 You agree that you will not engage in any activity with the SDK, including the development or distribution of an application, that interferes with, disrupts, damages, or accesses in an unauthorized manner the servers, networks, or other properties or services of any third party including, but not limited to, Google or any mobile communications carrier.
Apple SDK:
Quote:
(c) Your Application will be developed in compliance with the Documentation and the Program Requirements,
the current set of which is set forth in Section 3.3 below;
(d) To the best of Your knowledge and belief, Your Application does not and will not violate, misappropriate, or
infringe any Apple or third party copyrights, trademarks, rights of privacy and publicity, trade secrets, patents, or
other proprietary or legal rights (e.g. musical composition or performance rights, video rights, photography or
image rights, logo rights, third party data rights, etc. for content and materials that may be included in Your
Application); and
(e) You will not, through use of the SDK or otherwise, create any Application or other program that would
disable, hack or otherwise interfere with any security, digital signing, digital rights management, content
protection, verification or authentication mechanisms implemented in or by the iPhone operating system
software, iPod touch operating system software, this SDK, or other Apple software, services or technology, or
enable others to do so.
Google is focusing on the Server and Apple is focusing on the Client. It's obvious that within their respective interests they dictate all terms of use.
LOL You're right. How dare I voice an opinion. It's amazing how uneducated some folks are about how much data Google collects on each of us and then uses that data to market to us directly and pointedly. All of the IT folks seem to be under the Google spell... "Google is great... they will never know too much about you... share what you search, when you search, who calls you... they are the best... Google will not hurt you... you are getting sleepy..." LMAO Meh.
Not that I don't worry about too much personal data getting out onto the web, but what harm do you really think Google can do with your search history and data about who calls you? As long as google doesn't know my SSN, my bank info, my passwords or my address, I'm really not terribly worried. Hell, most people give up more sensitive info freely to Facebook than they do in searches.
Seriously: my 3GS is, overall, the nicest electronic device I have ever used. It is also the worst cellphone I have ever had, going all the way back to the original Motorola StarTAC.
I find this hard to believe. Unless you are complaining about at&t's service (which everyone agrees has been poor in some areas), this just sounds like angry hyperboly to me. I find it easy to dial, answer, use the phone book... Voice quality is good. Visual voicemail is fantastic... Honestly, my biggest problem is that it is uncomfortable to hold between my ear and shoulder while I'm doing the dishes.
The iPhone is by far the best phone I have had bar none. Add on all the extras (apps, iPod, video, Internet, camera, games, and on-screen keyboard...) and there is no purchase since my first PowerBook in 1991 that I have been happier with. I couldn't say that if I didn't like the phone part.
What nonsense. It's Apple's phone, UI and App Store and they can do whatever they want with it. Case closed.
And if they completely screw it up by driving away the developers and creating bad press for themsevles it will be their fault...outside the Mac community that is.
Although the proponents of GV keep beating this point over the head, it hasn't seemed to me that anyone is really confused on this issue about what Apple meant by 'replacing'.
Oh, i think it is obvious people are still confused. Some people actually think it means that somehow, Google's app could remove core Apple functions...which of course is insane, given the Apple installer would not allow this. Others simply hide behind feigned ignorance and say we don't know what Apple meant...which of course we do.
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
I generally think Apple should allow pretty much any app to run on the iPhone, including those that some might find objectionable, but it's clear that the dual purpose of GV is to subvert the iPhone as a platform, and to allow google to get their hands on as much information about you and anyone in your contacts or anyone who calls you as they can.
You say subvert, I say offer an alternative. Choice is good. I like choice.
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
In the first case, I think Apple is justified, in every sense of the word, in protecting themselves by rejecting GV.
I suppose, for a weak, fearful company, sure. For a company built on innovation and competition, it comes off as petty, fearful and sort of pathetic. I'd rather see Apple compete and win than to see them turn into a paranoid nouveau Microsoft.
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
In the second case, I think it's insane to turn over all of your personal information to Google. But, what really irks me is Google enticing you with their tech candy to turn over my personal information to them as well, without my permission.
Speaking of paranoid.
You and John B. have said in the past that Google grabs our info without consent when using services like GV...no one has back this up in anyway though, so I will take that for what it is worth.
And if they completely screw it up by driving away the developers and creating bad press for themsevles it will be their fault...outside the Mac community that is.
And if they don't?
And if my mother had wheels I'd be a wagon.
If this, if that, etc.
So far it's looking pretty good for Apple, despite GV. As we were devoting pages and pages to discussing it, the average user hardly noticed, and it's doutful they'd even care if they did. In fact, it's looking very, very rosy for Apple. Developers are still flocking to the iPhone and it looks like there's no end in sight. Demand for the iPhone is ever-increasing (even despite AT&T), and as long as it is, developers will not only stay, but many more will come aboard. Apple is on track to sell a record number of iPhones next quarter, and as they expand to more carriers, Apple will only widen its share. The Apple of 2009 is waaay too smart and in touch to screw this up. Apple's business is taking things that are "screwed up" and making them insanely profitable. No one in the industry realized smartphones were broken until Appe stepped in to fix them.
iPhone. iPhone. iPhone. That's what it's all about. We've got another iPod phenomenon.
Is it just me or am I the only one who doesn't see the duplication in the Google Voice application with anything Apple nor AT&T offer on the iPhone?
VVM, Dialer, and SMS are the three most obvious 'duplications'.
But, Apple has allowed other apps that also offer alternatives to these functions. Perhaps Google's implementation is just that much better, or their addition services through these functions are so compelling that it scares Apple.
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...We certainly don't need governmental oversight.
Debatable. But when the government asks for comments Apple and AT&T shouldn't lie. Those letters were beyond deceptive and both companies should have their feet held to the fire over them.
Apple never said that it did or would.
As stated in Apple's response to the FCC:
"The application has not been approved because, as submitted for review, it appears to alter the iPhone?s distinctive user experience by replacing the iPhone?s core mobile telephone functionality?The Google Voice application replaces Apple?s Visual Voicemail by routing calls through a separate Google Voice telephone number that stores any voicemail, preventing voicemail from being stored on the iPhone, i.e., disabling Apple?s Visual Voicemail.
Let's correct your bolding of Apple's statement.
"The application has not been approved because, as submitted for review, it appears to alter the iPhone?s distinctive user experience by replacing the iPhone?s core mobile telephone functionality?The Google Voice application replaces Apple?s Visual Voicemail by routing calls through a separate Google Voice telephone number that stores any voicemail, preventing voicemail from being stored on the iPhone, i.e., disabling Apple?s Visual Voicemail
Their own example of 'replacing' make it clear they do not mean removing. It 'replaces' it by 'routing' calls through a different number...not be actually removing any core files. Which, one would hope you would understand by now, would be virtually impossible...do you think Apple's AppStore installer on the iPhone could be instructed to remove 'core' iPhone functionality? Really?
Even their wording choice of "by routing calls through a separate Google Voice telephone number"m which is clear enough, is misleading to some. Only calls that are made to your GV number would go to your GV voice mail. ANY calls made to your iPhone phone number would go to your carrier VVM, as normal.
And how GV can be harmful to carriers network security?
Any WinMo phone, Blacberry phone, Palm phone has been a treat to network security?
Let me have the keys to your car then.
Yea, I thought so.
It's because Apple doesn't trust Google and for good reason.
Apple is a vertically integrated company, meaning THEY provide the core hardware and software.
If Google's programs gain so much widespread use, THEY can dictate the hardware, much like Microsoft does.
When Google's software breaches everyone's security and privacy one day, only Apple with their OWN core programs will be safe, because Apple has it's hardware business on the line if it fails in security and or privacy.
Google has nothing to lose, it's in Uncle Sam's pocket.
What nonsense. It's Apple's phone, UI and App Store and they can do whatever they want with it. Case closed.
Exactly. Complete garbage. And from google from crying out loud. Google calling for anti-trust protection is the proverbial pope calling someone else catholic.
Let me have the keys to your car then.
Bad analogy, giving my keys is like giving someone access to core carrier equipment.
So, how access to call API's is harmful to carrier networks
It's because Apple doesn't trust Google and for good reason.
This doesn't explain treats to carrier network
What nonsense. It's Apple's phone, UI and App Store and they can do whatever they want with it. Case closed.
Are you an IP lawyer? I didn't think so... So, are you so sure of that? I seem to remember reading about how similar thought processes got IBM and Microsoft in trouble in the past...
If Apple or AT&T was willing to let me out of my contract to do that + refund my money for the phone I bought so I could replace with the phone that allows GV because that's my preference then that would be an option. The fact of the matter is Apple is not allowing me to choose what software to run on my phone and I have a huge problem with that.. I now understand the need for jailbrakers to have control of their devices and why I just chose to do the same with mine.. This really grinds my gears...
Which doesn't change the fact that your iPhone has at least the same functionality now as it did the day you bought it.
Their own example of 'replacing' make it clear they do not mean removing.
Although the proponents of GV keep beating this point over the head, it hasn't seemed to me that anyone is really confused on this issue about what Apple meant by 'replacing'.
I generally think Apple should allow pretty much any app to run on the iPhone, including those that some might find objectionable, but it's clear that the dual purpose of GV is to subvert the iPhone as a platform, and to allow google to get their hands on as much information about you and anyone in your contacts or anyone who calls you as they can.
In the first case, I think Apple is justified, in every sense of the word, in protecting themselves by rejecting GV.
In the second case, I think it's insane to turn over all of your personal information to Google. But, what really irks me is Google enticing you with their tech candy to turn over my personal information to them as well, without my permission.
I wonder how Google would feel about Apple building a version of Safari for a phone on the Android platform?
I love Google, but don't feel like they should have the right to invade every piece of technology I own. Apple should maintain the right to control apps for it's own phone. The carriers have done this for years.
If you want Google Voice - make a choice - iPhone or Android. That's what capitalism and a free economy is all about - choice.
1. I doubt very much Google will care if Apple built a version of Safari for Android.
2. As for you not wanting Google invading all your tech, that is totally your decision and if that's how you feel, that is totally fine. But Apple merely allowing a GV app doesn't mean you are required to download it and install it on your iPhone. I don't really want fart noise apps on any smartphone I ever own, but that doesn't mean that Apple should disallow them for anybody that does want them. The bottomline is that other than the rather dubious "replicating core functionality" claim, a GV app does not in any way breach Apple's app store policies, nor their agreement with AT&T (at least none that has been made public) and is being held up for ambiguous reasons not germane to what is best for customers.
3. So then I assume you would also be in favor of Microsoft blocking use of iTunes on Windows PCs or Google blocking Macs when trying to access Gmail?
What nonsense. It's Apple's phone, UI and App Store and they can do whatever they want with it. Case closed.
I really don't understand this argument. If you think Apple can do no wrong, then just say so. It would make more sense than what a lot of you are saying. But before you go and say that because a company made a product they can and should be allowed to cripple it any way they want, imagine a company you hate doing the same thing to Apple or a company you love, and then tell everybody how you're okay with it.
The other argument I keep seeing in favor of Apple blocking the app that I don't understand is that GV would cause a potential security breach. Could someone please explain to me how GV is any less secure than the address book on your iPhone, in Skype, or for that matter the one on your Mac itself? Before I worried about the security of an app that had just a bunch of phone numbers, I'd worry about the security of an app like the Mint app which has access to your bank accounts and credit card information for God's sake. I'm sure if security was the only problem, Google could make the app at least as secure as the Mint app.
I wonder how Google would feel about Apple building a version of Safari for a phone on the Android platform?
I love Google, but don't feel like they should have the right to invade every piece of technology I own. Apple should maintain the right to control apps for it's own phone. The carriers have done this for years.
If you want Google Voice - make a choice - iPhone or Android. That's what capitalism and a free economy is all about - choice.
Google created an OS that they have no control over, so if Apple wants to build a version of Safari for android they can-- and based on the last 6 months of decisions they've been making, they should do so if they wish to have any meaningful share of mobile browsers in a couple years.
No one is saying that Apple doesn't have the right to keep it out They do, it's their store and they can make any decision that doesn't take customer wishes into account that they like. It's just a bad business decision because basically, they are saying what you do in your last sentence to THEIR CUSTOMERS!! If you don't like, then buy someone else's product.
REALLY? As an Apple fanboy you support that approach? I don't as a fanboy or a stock holder. I want Apple to be viable. I want them to have the share to innovate,change the game. But decisions like this will hand the mobile OS win to Google/Android.
Right now it isn't viable to switch to Android. The Phones suck and they all seem to be on T-mobile-- which frankly is a selling point to me after 18 months of AT & T. But there are something like 19 android phones coming out in the next 6 months. Do you and APple really think they will all suck? How arrogant can this company be?
And when a good one or two comes out and the Android app store starts to really develop, the Iphone will be a fringe player. It looks good now and they have sold a ton but this kind of nonsense will drive people away from the platform.
Mark my words-- and I really hope I'm wrong because I love my Iphone and want it to stay viable-- but people will look back on these APP store problems as the start of Apple losing the market share war.... Defending Apple doesn't show loyalty, it shows a lack of business sense. They've tried this approach before-- trying to control everything-- and we all know how that turned out. I sense this isn't going to turn out much better...
You're about to get burned for this (not by me, I agree with you) - go put on your poncho for the incoming sh!t storm (unless of course 1/3 (more or less?) of the AI readers took Friday off!).
EDIT: Told ya
EDIT2: For curiosity sake it's less that I agree and more that, frankly, I don't give a crap about any of the apps that have ever been rejected (at least the ones that we know about)
LOL
Bad analogy, giving my keys is like giving someone access to core carrier equipment.
Actually it's a good analogy, because it's just like you giving me your keys and me giving me my word that I won't drive your car.
That's an amazingly ignorant question. Android is open-source; even if Google *wanted* to stop development of Safari for Android, it would be impossible to do so, short of hunting down and killing every Safari developer on the planet.
You're the one being ignorant. Google negotiates with the Telcos just how they want the Android platform to operate within their ecosystem.
Android SDK:
4.4 You agree that you will not engage in any activity with the SDK, including the development or distribution of an application, that interferes with, disrupts, damages, or accesses in an unauthorized manner the servers, networks, or other properties or services of any third party including, but not limited to, Google or any mobile communications carrier.
Apple SDK:
(c) Your Application will be developed in compliance with the Documentation and the Program Requirements,
the current set of which is set forth in Section 3.3 below;
(d) To the best of Your knowledge and belief, Your Application does not and will not violate, misappropriate, or
infringe any Apple or third party copyrights, trademarks, rights of privacy and publicity, trade secrets, patents, or
other proprietary or legal rights (e.g. musical composition or performance rights, video rights, photography or
image rights, logo rights, third party data rights, etc. for content and materials that may be included in Your
Application); and
(e) You will not, through use of the SDK or otherwise, create any Application or other program that would
disable, hack or otherwise interfere with any security, digital signing, digital rights management, content
protection, verification or authentication mechanisms implemented in or by the iPhone operating system
software, iPod touch operating system software, this SDK, or other Apple software, services or technology, or
enable others to do so.
Google is focusing on the Server and Apple is focusing on the Client. It's obvious that within their respective interests they dictate all terms of use.
LOL
Not that I don't worry about too much personal data getting out onto the web, but what harm do you really think Google can do with your search history and data about who calls you? As long as google doesn't know my SSN, my bank info, my passwords or my address, I'm really not terribly worried. Hell, most people give up more sensitive info freely to Facebook than they do in searches.
... but the iPhone is an awful phone.
Seriously: my 3GS is, overall, the nicest electronic device I have ever used. It is also the worst cellphone I have ever had, going all the way back to the original Motorola StarTAC.
I find this hard to believe. Unless you are complaining about at&t's service (which everyone agrees has been poor in some areas), this just sounds like angry hyperboly to me. I find it easy to dial, answer, use the phone book... Voice quality is good. Visual voicemail is fantastic... Honestly, my biggest problem is that it is uncomfortable to hold between my ear and shoulder while I'm doing the dishes.
The iPhone is by far the best phone I have had bar none. Add on all the extras (apps, iPod, video, Internet, camera, games, and on-screen keyboard...) and there is no purchase since my first PowerBook in 1991 that I have been happier with. I couldn't say that if I didn't like the phone part.
What nonsense. It's Apple's phone, UI and App Store and they can do whatever they want with it. Case closed.
And if they completely screw it up by driving away the developers and creating bad press for themsevles it will be their fault...outside the Mac community that is.
Although the proponents of GV keep beating this point over the head, it hasn't seemed to me that anyone is really confused on this issue about what Apple meant by 'replacing'.
Oh, i think it is obvious people are still confused. Some people actually think it means that somehow, Google's app could remove core Apple functions...which of course is insane, given the Apple installer would not allow this. Others simply hide behind feigned ignorance and say we don't know what Apple meant...which of course we do.
I generally think Apple should allow pretty much any app to run on the iPhone, including those that some might find objectionable, but it's clear that the dual purpose of GV is to subvert the iPhone as a platform, and to allow google to get their hands on as much information about you and anyone in your contacts or anyone who calls you as they can.
You say subvert, I say offer an alternative. Choice is good. I like choice.
In the first case, I think Apple is justified, in every sense of the word, in protecting themselves by rejecting GV.
I suppose, for a weak, fearful company, sure. For a company built on innovation and competition, it comes off as petty, fearful and sort of pathetic. I'd rather see Apple compete and win than to see them turn into a paranoid nouveau Microsoft.
In the second case, I think it's insane to turn over all of your personal information to Google. But, what really irks me is Google enticing you with their tech candy to turn over my personal information to them as well, without my permission.
Speaking of paranoid.
You and John B. have said in the past that Google grabs our info without consent when using services like GV...no one has back this up in anyway though, so I will take that for what it is worth.
And if they completely screw it up by driving away the developers and creating bad press for themsevles it will be their fault...outside the Mac community that is.
And if they don't?
And if my mother had wheels I'd be a wagon.
If this, if that, etc.
So far it's looking pretty good for Apple, despite GV. As we were devoting pages and pages to discussing it, the average user hardly noticed, and it's doutful they'd even care if they did. In fact, it's looking very, very rosy for Apple. Developers are still flocking to the iPhone and it looks like there's no end in sight. Demand for the iPhone is ever-increasing (even despite AT&T), and as long as it is, developers will not only stay, but many more will come aboard. Apple is on track to sell a record number of iPhones next quarter, and as they expand to more carriers, Apple will only widen its share. The Apple of 2009 is waaay too smart and in touch to screw this up. Apple's business is taking things that are "screwed up" and making them insanely profitable. No one in the industry realized smartphones were broken until Appe stepped in to fix them.
iPhone. iPhone. iPhone. That's what it's all about. We've got another iPod phenomenon.
Is it just me or am I the only one who doesn't see the duplication in the Google Voice application with anything Apple nor AT&T offer on the iPhone?
VVM, Dialer, and SMS are the three most obvious 'duplications'.
But, Apple has allowed other apps that also offer alternatives to these functions. Perhaps Google's implementation is just that much better, or their addition services through these functions are so compelling that it scares Apple.