So far it's looking pretty good for Apple, despite GV. In fact, very, very rosy. Developers are still flocking to the iPhone and it looks like there's no end in sight. Demand for the iPhone is ever-increasing, and as long as it is, developers will not only stay, but many more will come aboard.
Yeah, Apple can reject this app for good and the world isn't going to end. In fact, most iPhone users probably would never notice or care. No one is saying otherwise from what I can see, and anyone who is, is wrong. That still doesn't justify why Apple would go out of it's way to piss off their customers. Unless you are a complete monopoly, it doesn't pay to unnecessarily piss off even a fraction of your customers, especially when the alternative has no down side for you or any of your customers. The same people that would never notice or care that a GV app wasn't available wouldn't notice or care if one was available. The people that want it are that much more satisfied with their iPhone purchase, and it costs Apple not one red cent.
You say subvert, I say offer an alternative. Choice is good. I like choice.
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You and John B. have said in the past that Google grabs our info without consent when using services like GV...no one has back this up in anyway though, so I will take that for what it is worth.
Clearly it's Google's intent to undermine Windows, Mac OS, iPhone OS and ever other platform out there as a platform where people will store information rather than with Google. Everything they do is to that end.
And, I do not believe I have ever said anything about, "Google [grabbing your] info without consent". What I said here is that if you have my personal information -- phone number, email address, street address, company I work for, job title, etc., etc. -- in your Contacts and you put the information from your Contacts on Google's servers, you have given Google my personal information without my consent.
LOL You're right. How dare I voice an opinion. It's amazing how uneducated some folks are about how much data Google collects on each of us and then uses that data to market to us directly and pointedly. All of the IT folks seem to be under the Google spell... "Google is great... they will never know too much about you... share what you search, when you search, who calls you... they are the best... Google will not hurt you... you are getting sleepy..." LMAO Meh.
Well, when the opinion stated has so many hole, people will reply. let's look at your original post:
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I wonder how Google would feel about Apple building a version of Safari for a phone on the Android platform?
I love Google, but don't feel like they should have the right to invade every piece of technology I own. Apple should maintain the right to control apps for it's own phone. The carriers have done this for years.
If you want Google Voice - make a choice - iPhone or Android. That's what capitalism and a free economy is all about - choice.
How would google feel about Safari on Android? Good I guess. More apps=good, for one. And they already use webkit for the native browser.
Google having the right to invade every piece of tech you own? How exactly are they doing this? If you mean by offering you the choice to install an app or use their service...well, damn how rude of them. That is down right nefarious...
And if we want GV on the iPhone? I guess we could discuss our disappointment with them not allowing it on the iPhone. Not everyone that is a fan of Apple gives up their brain at the door and assumes everything the do is right.
And, I do not believe I have ever said anything about, "Google [grabbing your] info without consent". What I said here is that if you have my personal information -- phone number, email address, street address, company I work for, job title, etc., etc. -- in your Contacts and you put the information from your Contacts on Google's servers, you have given Google my personal information without my consent.
Then blame me, not google. If I use MacOSX mail.app to email your contact info to someone at Microsoft, would you blame Apple, because I used their app, or MS for receiving the info? Or would you blame my ISP for transmitting said data?
Perhaps you might consider blaming the person that released your info instead.
Blocking GV App doesn't prevent this happening in the least. If I choose to give such data to Google or Apple or anyone else, that is my choice and my fault.
Then blame me, not google. If I use MacOSX mail.app to email your contact info to someone at Microsoft, would you blame Apple, because I used their app, or MS for receiving the info? Or would you blame my ISP for transmitting said data?
Perhaps you might consider blaming the person that released your info instead.
Blocking GV App doesn't prevent this happening in the least. If I choose to give such data to Google or Apple or anyone else, that is my choice and my fault.
Well, in my original post, I indicated that you were nuts for giving them your personal information, but that I was not happy with their practices of dangling bits of tech candy in front of the weak minded to also get my information, without my consent.
"The application has not been approved because, as submitted for review, it appears to alter the iPhone?s distinctive user experience by replacing the iPhone?s core mobile telephone functionality?The Google Voice application replaces Apple?s Visual Voicemail by routing calls through a separate Google Voice telephone number that stores any voicemail, preventing voicemail from being stored on the iPhone, i.e., disabling Apple?s Visual Voicemail.
I was waiting for somebody to post Apple's response to the FCC. Thanks.
I refer to the statement " disabling Apple?s Visual Voicemail."
Disabling ?!? What a wrong choice of word. If everybody I know only has my GV number and calls me with that number, than GV is capturing my voice mails. When GV calls me (my iPhone) and I don't answer, VVM is recording it as a voice mail. I would not have "disabled" Visual VM, I only decided not to use it for some of my calls. Apple is starting to sound like Microsoft, twisting and turning words, hoping that whoever reads their response doesn't know all the details. I'm so sad to see this happening.
BTW: Everybody seems to like GV features and wants to have them. GV is a carrier tool - meaning it only really shines when it is used by a carrier (controlling in and out-bound calls). Google has control of in-bound since they give us a new number.
What if ATT would offer these features??
These features are available for decades. Just google "one number services" or "myonenumber".
Then again, none of the carriers has "Smart" as their first name.
"The application has not been approved because, as submitted for review, it appears to alter the iPhone?s distinctive user experience by replacing the iPhone?s core mobile telephone functionality?The Google Voice application replaces Apple?s Visual Voicemail by routing calls through a separate Google Voice telephone number that stores any voicemail, preventing voicemail from being stored on the iPhone, i.e., disabling Apple?s Visual Voicemail.
So let me state this differently.
If some calls my home phone which is forwarded to my iPhone but my home voice mail takes the message am I bypassing VVM?
If some one calls my GoogleVoice number which is forwarded to my iPhone but GVM takes the message am I bypassing VVM?
Now if anyone answers no to the first and yes to the second your brain dead. There is ABSOLUTELY, CATEGORICALLY and WITHOUT QUESTION no difference between the two. Neither of then bypasses the iPhones VVM.
Apple is staying true to its "user experience first" policy that has been in effect for years, and their "we give you what we like and you can come and play" policy. This all ties into it. You might think it's getting to extremes now, but that's the same reason we choose Apple in the first place.
You can blame the consumer. They're all flocking to the iPhone in droves. And there's a lot more to come. No real Android presence. No real WinMo presence. Pre is in the bag. RIM is in the bag. Symbian is bleeding. iPhone is the clear choice.
You can blame the developers, too. They aint leavin. And there's a lot more on the way.
So who's right after all? The complainers on this thread? Or those that continue to help make the iPhone platform what it is, regardless of GV?
Apple isn't saying that Google is implementing a UI element that serves as a keypad, but that the GV app actually bypasses Apple's own cellular connection dialer. Skype and similar place a "call" over WiFi. They specifically don't dial and transmit a cellular voice call in their own app. What GV was doing is bypassing the native dialer, which is THE CORE FUNCTION OF THE iPHONE!.
I'd love to have GV available as a native app, but I can see where Apple doesn't like google bypassing the most important core function of the phone, the ability to place cellular calls.
Apple isn't saying that Google is implementing a UI element that serves as a keypad, but that the GV app actually bypasses Apple's own cellular connection dialer. Skype and similar place a "call" over WiFi. They specifically don't dial and transmit a cellular voice call in their own app. What GV was doing is bypassing the native dialer, which is THE CORE FUNCTION OF THE iPHONE!.
I'd love to have GV available as a native app, but I can see where Apple doesn't like google bypassing the most important core function of the phone, the ability to place cellular calls.
Then allow GV Mobile and GV by Google and others to only make it available via WIFI. But Apple will not!!! So Apple is two faced ball suckers for this.
Google does not do it's own transmission. It always uses the cell voice network. It does however call you back when you make calls through it's dialer. The only time that's useful is when making International calls. If you calling within the states there is NO advantage in using the GV dialer.
Now Apple and AT&T may not like you making International call bypassing them but they have no reason to complain since you could always use a calling card or 800 calling service to place your International calls.
As much as I like Apple they really need to back off on this one. The bad press is costing them more than just approving GV.
And, I do not believe I have ever said anything about, "Google [grabbing your] info without consent". What I said here is that if you have my personal information -- phone number, email address, street address, company I work for, job title, etc., etc. -- in your Contacts and you put the information from your Contacts on Google's servers, you have given Google my personal information without my consent.
Dude, don't bother. Tulkas has made up his mind and all the logic in the world isn't going to change it. At some point, Google stopped being the "do no evil" internet darling and started acting like an advertising giant, and advertising giants covet contact info.
Apple isn't saying that Google is implementing a UI element that serves as a keypad, but that the GV app actually bypasses Apple's own cellular connection dialer. Skype and similar place a "call" over WiFi. They specifically don't dial and transmit a cellular voice call in their own app. What GV was doing is bypassing the native dialer, which is THE CORE FUNCTION OF THE iPHONE!.
I'd love to have GV available as a native app, but I can see where Apple doesn't like google bypassing the most important core function of the phone, the ability to place cellular calls.
No, this is a misunderstanding of google voice as a service and app.
The app, or webapp or webpage all initiate a call to your phone and a call to number you are calling. It doesn't make any call from your phone...
Dude, don't bother. Tulkas has made up his mind and all the logic in the world isn't going to change it. At some point, Google stopped being the "do no evil" internet darling and started acting like an advertising giant, and advertising giants covet contact info.
I'd rather make up my mind than just making shit up. Posters that do that are worthless. Don't you agree?
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Actually it's a good analogy, because it's just like you giving me your keys and me giving me my word that I won't drive your car.
No, it's a bad analogy because API's doesn't allow more than making calls. So I'm still waitingo how GV (or Skype) can be a treat to carriers networks
You're the one being ignorant. Google negotiates with the Telcos just how they want the Android platform to operate within their ecosystem.
And how can google ban Safari from being developed or distributed?
And if they don't?
And if my mother had wheels I'd be a wagon.
If this, if that, etc.
So far it's looking pretty good for Apple, despite GV. In fact, very, very rosy. Developers are still flocking to the iPhone and it looks like there's no end in sight. Demand for the iPhone is ever-increasing, and as long as it is, developers will not only stay, but many more will come aboard.
Yeah, Apple can reject this app for good and the world isn't going to end. In fact, most iPhone users probably would never notice or care. No one is saying otherwise from what I can see, and anyone who is, is wrong. That still doesn't justify why Apple would go out of it's way to piss off their customers. Unless you are a complete monopoly, it doesn't pay to unnecessarily piss off even a fraction of your customers, especially when the alternative has no down side for you or any of your customers. The same people that would never notice or care that a GV app wasn't available wouldn't notice or care if one was available. The people that want it are that much more satisfied with their iPhone purchase, and it costs Apple not one red cent.
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You say subvert, I say offer an alternative. Choice is good. I like choice.
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You and John B. have said in the past that Google grabs our info without consent when using services like GV...no one has back this up in anyway though, so I will take that for what it is worth.
Clearly it's Google's intent to undermine Windows, Mac OS, iPhone OS and ever other platform out there as a platform where people will store information rather than with Google. Everything they do is to that end.
And, I do not believe I have ever said anything about, "Google [grabbing your] info without consent". What I said here is that if you have my personal information -- phone number, email address, street address, company I work for, job title, etc., etc. -- in your Contacts and you put the information from your Contacts on Google's servers, you have given Google my personal information without my consent.
LOL
Well, when the opinion stated has so many hole, people will reply. let's look at your original post:
I wonder how Google would feel about Apple building a version of Safari for a phone on the Android platform?
I love Google, but don't feel like they should have the right to invade every piece of technology I own. Apple should maintain the right to control apps for it's own phone. The carriers have done this for years.
If you want Google Voice - make a choice - iPhone or Android. That's what capitalism and a free economy is all about - choice.
How would google feel about Safari on Android? Good I guess. More apps=good, for one. And they already use webkit for the native browser.
Google having the right to invade every piece of tech you own? How exactly are they doing this? If you mean by offering you the choice to install an app or use their service...well, damn how rude of them. That is down right nefarious...
And if we want GV on the iPhone? I guess we could discuss our disappointment with them not allowing it on the iPhone. Not everyone that is a fan of Apple gives up their brain at the door and assumes everything the do is right.
And, I do not believe I have ever said anything about, "Google [grabbing your] info without consent". What I said here is that if you have my personal information -- phone number, email address, street address, company I work for, job title, etc., etc. -- in your Contacts and you put the information from your Contacts on Google's servers, you have given Google my personal information without my consent.
Then blame me, not google. If I use MacOSX mail.app to email your contact info to someone at Microsoft, would you blame Apple, because I used their app, or MS for receiving the info? Or would you blame my ISP for transmitting said data?
Perhaps you might consider blaming the person that released your info instead.
Blocking GV App doesn't prevent this happening in the least. If I choose to give such data to Google or Apple or anyone else, that is my choice and my fault.
Then blame me, not google. If I use MacOSX mail.app to email your contact info to someone at Microsoft, would you blame Apple, because I used their app, or MS for receiving the info? Or would you blame my ISP for transmitting said data?
Perhaps you might consider blaming the person that released your info instead.
Blocking GV App doesn't prevent this happening in the least. If I choose to give such data to Google or Apple or anyone else, that is my choice and my fault.
Well, in my original post, I indicated that you were nuts for giving them your personal information, but that I was not happy with their practices of dangling bits of tech candy in front of the weak minded to also get my information, without my consent.
And this is half a lie, if someone calls you with YOUR iPhone number, it's routed to iPhone Visual Voicemail.
Your name is great!!!
Empty my chamber pot, Gwydion!! Sweep the floor, Gwydion!! hahaha
Apple never said that it did or would.
As stated in Apple's response to the FCC:
"The application has not been approved because, as submitted for review, it appears to alter the iPhone?s distinctive user experience by replacing the iPhone?s core mobile telephone functionality?The Google Voice application replaces Apple?s Visual Voicemail by routing calls through a separate Google Voice telephone number that stores any voicemail, preventing voicemail from being stored on the iPhone, i.e., disabling Apple?s Visual Voicemail.
I was waiting for somebody to post Apple's response to the FCC. Thanks.
I refer to the statement " disabling Apple?s Visual Voicemail."
Disabling ?!? What a wrong choice of word. If everybody I know only has my GV number and calls me with that number, than GV is capturing my voice mails. When GV calls me (my iPhone) and I don't answer, VVM is recording it as a voice mail. I would not have "disabled" Visual VM, I only decided not to use it for some of my calls. Apple is starting to sound like Microsoft, twisting and turning words, hoping that whoever reads their response doesn't know all the details. I'm so sad to see this happening.
BTW: Everybody seems to like GV features and wants to have them. GV is a carrier tool - meaning it only really shines when it is used by a carrier (controlling in and out-bound calls). Google has control of in-bound since they give us a new number.
What if ATT would offer these features??
These features are available for decades. Just google "one number services" or "myonenumber".
Then again, none of the carriers has "Smart" as their first name.
Can anyone say 'case closed'?
Line 2 got approved and it looks just like GV Mobile! Skype also looks similar and it is approved. *Edit* I just noticed you posted a Skype photo.
However, I can say that Apple sucks big (@(% for this move. Case Closed is right.
Apple never said that it did or would.
As stated in Apple's response to the FCC:
"The application has not been approved because, as submitted for review, it appears to alter the iPhone?s distinctive user experience by replacing the iPhone?s core mobile telephone functionality?The Google Voice application replaces Apple?s Visual Voicemail by routing calls through a separate Google Voice telephone number that stores any voicemail, preventing voicemail from being stored on the iPhone, i.e., disabling Apple?s Visual Voicemail.
So let me state this differently.
If some calls my home phone which is forwarded to my iPhone but my home voice mail takes the message am I bypassing VVM?
If some one calls my GoogleVoice number which is forwarded to my iPhone but GVM takes the message am I bypassing VVM?
Now if anyone answers no to the first and yes to the second your brain dead. There is ABSOLUTELY, CATEGORICALLY and WITHOUT QUESTION no difference between the two. Neither of then bypasses the iPhones VVM.
Case Closed! Apple is WRONG!
Can anyone say 'case closed'?
I will, Case Closed!
You can blame the consumer. They're all flocking to the iPhone in droves. And there's a lot more to come. No real Android presence. No real WinMo presence. Pre is in the bag. RIM is in the bag. Symbian is bleeding. iPhone is the clear choice.
You can blame the developers, too. They aint leavin. And there's a lot more on the way.
So who's right after all? The complainers on this thread? Or those that continue to help make the iPhone platform what it is, regardless of GV?
Seems like a tough call all around.
Can anyone say 'case closed'?
NO!
Apple isn't saying that Google is implementing a UI element that serves as a keypad, but that the GV app actually bypasses Apple's own cellular connection dialer. Skype and similar place a "call" over WiFi. They specifically don't dial and transmit a cellular voice call in their own app. What GV was doing is bypassing the native dialer, which is THE CORE FUNCTION OF THE iPHONE!.
I'd love to have GV available as a native app, but I can see where Apple doesn't like google bypassing the most important core function of the phone, the ability to place cellular calls.
NO!
Apple isn't saying that Google is implementing a UI element that serves as a keypad, but that the GV app actually bypasses Apple's own cellular connection dialer. Skype and similar place a "call" over WiFi. They specifically don't dial and transmit a cellular voice call in their own app. What GV was doing is bypassing the native dialer, which is THE CORE FUNCTION OF THE iPHONE!.
I'd love to have GV available as a native app, but I can see where Apple doesn't like google bypassing the most important core function of the phone, the ability to place cellular calls.
Then allow GV Mobile and GV by Google and others to only make it available via WIFI. But Apple will not!!! So Apple is two faced ball suckers for this.
Now Apple and AT&T may not like you making International call bypassing them but they have no reason to complain since you could always use a calling card or 800 calling service to place your International calls.
As much as I like Apple they really need to back off on this one. The bad press is costing them more than just approving GV.
And, I do not believe I have ever said anything about, "Google [grabbing your] info without consent". What I said here is that if you have my personal information -- phone number, email address, street address, company I work for, job title, etc., etc. -- in your Contacts and you put the information from your Contacts on Google's servers, you have given Google my personal information without my consent.
Dude, don't bother. Tulkas has made up his mind and all the logic in the world isn't going to change it. At some point, Google stopped being the "do no evil" internet darling and started acting like an advertising giant, and advertising giants covet contact info.
NO!
Apple isn't saying that Google is implementing a UI element that serves as a keypad, but that the GV app actually bypasses Apple's own cellular connection dialer. Skype and similar place a "call" over WiFi. They specifically don't dial and transmit a cellular voice call in their own app. What GV was doing is bypassing the native dialer, which is THE CORE FUNCTION OF THE iPHONE!.
I'd love to have GV available as a native app, but I can see where Apple doesn't like google bypassing the most important core function of the phone, the ability to place cellular calls.
No, this is a misunderstanding of google voice as a service and app.
The app, or webapp or webpage all initiate a call to your phone and a call to number you are calling. It doesn't make any call from your phone...
Dude, don't bother. Tulkas has made up his mind and all the logic in the world isn't going to change it. At some point, Google stopped being the "do no evil" internet darling and started acting like an advertising giant, and advertising giants covet contact info.
I'd rather make up my mind than just making shit up. Posters that do that are worthless. Don't you agree?
So who's right after all? The complainers on this thread? Or those that continue to help make the iPhone platform what it is, regardless of GV?
Seems like a tough call all around.
the complainers, the misfits,the rebels. Those that challenge the status quo. think different.
Apple has improved much in the past by listening to 'complainers'. They used to even celebrate them.