I saw that my provider doesn't even list MMS prices anymore. I think it's dying a slow death because of its extreme expensiveness (at least here in the Netherlands).
Mine's inlcuded in my 6gb data plan, apparently. I'd imagine that's the best way to go. Not that I use anywhere near 6gb anyway.
So every other other fricking smart phone was smart enough to sign with Adobe and get Full Flash except Apple and Steve's fricking control Freak iTunes Store.
The iPhone is going to get watered down Apple Kool-Aid version of recompiled Flash and every other Smart Phone is going to have Full Blown Flash.
2 and a half years I've been waiting for Flash and this is Steve's solution? 7
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Yup, Does anyone care other than you and 6 other people?
I've never used or bought a Flash based game and have never missed it.
I abhor the use of Flash in web development and consistently advise against its use.
Perhaps you are dismayed at the lack of support for ActiveX in Safari too?
Why the animosity? This is actually pretty cool (unless someone's sole driving interest is to see Flash die, utterly and completely?and I'd rather that doesn't happen when Silverlight is the animation fallback). We won't be seeing any top-notch games from this sort of move, but it likely would help to introduce some of the fun time-wasting Flash games online to the iPhone. I'm not sure how much more it will result in beyond this?it would surely introduce limitations as compared to developing an iPhone app through the proper channels.
Agreed, this could be huge for developers of companies like hulu who have a rich service architecture based on Flash & can't really afford to redo it all just so it will work with iPhone. Now they can port their sites into an iPhone app right from their adobe product.
This really is a big deal & is a much more desirable solution to flash on the iPhone than some half baked attempt to make Flash more efficient. Games & video will waste far less battery when ported vs trying to run them through a web browser.
I wonder how much Apple was involved this, wonder if they pushed Adobe at all in this direction or helped to develop any of the porting.
So every other other fricking smart phone was smart enough to sign with Adobe and get Full Flash except Apple and Steve's fricking control Freak iTunes Store.
The iPhone is going to get watered down Apple Kool-Aid version of recompiled Flash and every other Smart Phone is going to have Full Blown Flash.
2 and a half years I've been waiting for Flash and this is Steve's solution? 7
It's the start of the 90's all over again and every other phone is going to surpass the iPhone because of Apple and Steve Jobs Control Issues just like Apple's OS.
WinMo, Android, PRE, HTC all will have Flash & Multi Tasking. Apple is giving us BS toy app's that the average 3rd grader is going to love.
I am so glad I didn't buy the 3GS. The 3G will be the last Apple product I ever own.
Good luck with the new Macs coming out. I'm sure the last years processors will run the new Macs great and will be all the rage at the Apple Stores. :/Sarcasm.
Just because you want full flash eating up battery on your phone doesn't mean Apple should cave & waste the experience for the rest of us. This solution will enable a lot of sites (like hulu) to port their site easily to an iPhone app. Not enough for you, then get a different phone!
As far as using flash for games, what an absolute waste!! With the slew of native apps available already why would anyone want to try & release flash garbage for iPhone & compete against a range of titles that run far more efficiently & many of which have actual full 3D capabilities.
By the way, HTML 5 will bring about a solution to nearly all that Flash is currently used for. Even Adobe knows this, which is why they are trying so desperately to move flash along before it becomes so cumbersome to run that people start abandoning it.
Well this should help Apple sell even more Macs - as you'll still need to run and use XCode to build a project with provisioning for submission.
Performance is likely to suck on the whole (if Flash/Flash Lite is anything to go by) - but it might be okay for simple widget type apps.
It's AS3 only as well - so most of the AS2 junk won't be converted/ported.
To be honest, Apple pretty much own the mobile web and app platforms. I can't see MS/Google/Nokia ever catching up. And before long hopefully an Apple tablet will appear and then that potential joke offering from MS will look very insipid.
To be honest, Apple pretty much own the mobile web and app platforms. I can't see MS/Google/Nokia ever catching up.
Don't be too sure of that. Altough the iPhone is popular here in Europe, it's not nearly as popular here as in the US. And if Meamo takes off Apple has some very stiff competition from Nokia and Google, especially if Nokia allows you to host your software on your own website.
Don't be too sure of that. Altough the iPhone is popular here in Europe, it's not nearly as popular here as in the US. And if Meamo takes off Apple has some very stiff competition from Nokia and Google, especially if Nokia allows you to host your software on your own website.
I'm in the UK, not the US - here the iPhone is the most desirable piece of kit bar none - apparently even more desirable than Aston Martin's. Last year the iPhone was desirable, this year even more so. The people that were last year telling me they didn't want an iPhone, in reality just couldn't/wouldn't afford it. This year they're paying the price of entry.
iPhone/iPod has the majority of the mobile web traffic. Apple has the only app store that has any content because it's the only device that everyone (if they're honest) wants. It's getting to the stage where if your mobile isn't an iPhone you're in an under-class.
Next Apple are about to make even bigger in-roads with multiple carriers.
To be honest I also was on the verge to want an iPhone because there was nothing better on the market. My current Nokia E65 can do more than the iPhone, but with a worse interface. Luckily I found the Nokia N900, that I now am totally in love with. I sure hope that thing can sync with my MacBook Pro when it's released. Anyway, there will be more devices on the market like the N900, and they can make Apple nervous to say the least .
I agree that the iPhone while dominant now, and probably the next few years, is vulnerable and Flash is probably one of the most vulnerable points, especially when these new phones start coming out and iPhone users can't check out certain sites that their friends can.
I regularly want to check out sites that are flash on my iPhone and can't. The other day I was in a job interview answering a question sheet and one quick bit of data I needed was on the employer's site and I couldn't access it because they're super fancy and they've got the whole site done in flash. So I had to BS my way through it, and so far I think that worked, but what if it didn't?
I know flash is a battery hog. I have click to flash on my mac, and I've seen the difference it makes. I also keep hearing about this HTML5 stuff being just around the bend, though I kind of question how big it will ever be. Flash is established, and battery hog or not, I need it. Maybe they can do some hardware acceleration on it that'll stop it from eating the battery, or maybe somehow Adobe can get its act together and make it more efficient, otherwise it'll kill these other mobile phones batteries very quickly.
At the end of the day, I want flash. I'm not alone, I'm not a fanatic, and I think more iPhone owners would ask for it too if they knew why it was that certain websites weren't working.
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I saw that my provider doesn't even list MMS prices anymore. I think it's dying a slow death because of its extreme expensiveness (at least here in the Netherlands).
Mine's inlcuded in my 6gb data plan, apparently. I'd imagine that's the best way to go. Not that I use anywhere near 6gb anyway.
I think you missed the point of Flash-based web sites, which are designed to display consistently no matter what browser you're using.
I think you missed the point of W3C-compliant web sites, which are designed to display consistently no matter what browser you're using.
So every other other fricking smart phone was smart enough to sign with Adobe and get Full Flash except Apple and Steve's fricking control Freak iTunes Store.
The iPhone is going to get watered down Apple Kool-Aid version of recompiled Flash and every other Smart Phone is going to have Full Blown Flash.
2 and a half years I've been waiting for Flash and this is Steve's solution? 7
.
Yup, Does anyone care other than you and 6 other people?
I've never used or bought a Flash based game and have never missed it.
I abhor the use of Flash in web development and consistently advise against its use.
Perhaps you are dismayed at the lack of support for ActiveX in Safari too?
Why the animosity? This is actually pretty cool (unless someone's sole driving interest is to see Flash die, utterly and completely?and I'd rather that doesn't happen when Silverlight is the animation fallback). We won't be seeing any top-notch games from this sort of move, but it likely would help to introduce some of the fun time-wasting Flash games online to the iPhone. I'm not sure how much more it will result in beyond this?it would surely introduce limitations as compared to developing an iPhone app through the proper channels.
Agreed, this could be huge for developers of companies like hulu who have a rich service architecture based on Flash & can't really afford to redo it all just so it will work with iPhone. Now they can port their sites into an iPhone app right from their adobe product.
This really is a big deal & is a much more desirable solution to flash on the iPhone than some half baked attempt to make Flash more efficient. Games & video will waste far less battery when ported vs trying to run them through a web browser.
I wonder how much Apple was involved this, wonder if they pushed Adobe at all in this direction or helped to develop any of the porting.
So every other other fricking smart phone was smart enough to sign with Adobe and get Full Flash except Apple and Steve's fricking control Freak iTunes Store.
The iPhone is going to get watered down Apple Kool-Aid version of recompiled Flash and every other Smart Phone is going to have Full Blown Flash.
2 and a half years I've been waiting for Flash and this is Steve's solution? 7
It's the start of the 90's all over again and every other phone is going to surpass the iPhone because of Apple and Steve Jobs Control Issues just like Apple's OS.
WinMo, Android, PRE, HTC all will have Flash & Multi Tasking. Apple is giving us BS toy app's that the average 3rd grader is going to love.
I am so glad I didn't buy the 3GS. The 3G will be the last Apple product I ever own.
Good luck with the new Macs coming out. I'm sure the last years processors will run the new Macs great and will be all the rage at the Apple Stores. :/Sarcasm.
Just because you want full flash eating up battery on your phone doesn't mean Apple should cave & waste the experience for the rest of us. This solution will enable a lot of sites (like hulu) to port their site easily to an iPhone app. Not enough for you, then get a different phone!
As far as using flash for games, what an absolute waste!! With the slew of native apps available already why would anyone want to try & release flash garbage for iPhone & compete against a range of titles that run far more efficiently & many of which have actual full 3D capabilities.
By the way, HTML 5 will bring about a solution to nearly all that Flash is currently used for. Even Adobe knows this, which is why they are trying so desperately to move flash along before it becomes so cumbersome to run that people start abandoning it.
Performance is likely to suck on the whole (if Flash/Flash Lite is anything to go by) - but it might be okay for simple widget type apps.
It's AS3 only as well - so most of the AS2 junk won't be converted/ported.
To be honest, Apple pretty much own the mobile web and app platforms. I can't see MS/Google/Nokia ever catching up. And before long hopefully an Apple tablet will appear and then that potential joke offering from MS will look very insipid.
To be honest, Apple pretty much own the mobile web and app platforms. I can't see MS/Google/Nokia ever catching up.
Don't be too sure of that. Altough the iPhone is popular here in Europe, it's not nearly as popular here as in the US. And if Meamo takes off Apple has some very stiff competition from Nokia and Google, especially if Nokia allows you to host your software on your own website.
Don't be too sure of that. Altough the iPhone is popular here in Europe, it's not nearly as popular here as in the US. And if Meamo takes off Apple has some very stiff competition from Nokia and Google, especially if Nokia allows you to host your software on your own website.
I'm in the UK, not the US - here the iPhone is the most desirable piece of kit bar none - apparently even more desirable than Aston Martin's. Last year the iPhone was desirable, this year even more so. The people that were last year telling me they didn't want an iPhone, in reality just couldn't/wouldn't afford it. This year they're paying the price of entry.
iPhone/iPod has the majority of the mobile web traffic. Apple has the only app store that has any content because it's the only device that everyone (if they're honest) wants. It's getting to the stage where if your mobile isn't an iPhone you're in an under-class.
Next Apple are about to make even bigger in-roads with multiple carriers.
To be honest I also was on the verge to want an iPhone because there was nothing better on the market. My current Nokia E65 can do more than the iPhone, but with a worse interface. Luckily I found the Nokia N900, that I now am totally in love with. I sure hope that thing can sync with my MacBook Pro when it's released. Anyway, there will be more devices on the market like the N900, and they can make Apple nervous to say the least
I regularly want to check out sites that are flash on my iPhone and can't. The other day I was in a job interview answering a question sheet and one quick bit of data I needed was on the employer's site and I couldn't access it because they're super fancy and they've got the whole site done in flash. So I had to BS my way through it, and so far I think that worked, but what if it didn't?
I know flash is a battery hog. I have click to flash on my mac, and I've seen the difference it makes. I also keep hearing about this HTML5 stuff being just around the bend, though I kind of question how big it will ever be. Flash is established, and battery hog or not, I need it. Maybe they can do some hardware acceleration on it that'll stop it from eating the battery, or maybe somehow Adobe can get its act together and make it more efficient, otherwise it'll kill these other mobile phones batteries very quickly.
At the end of the day, I want flash. I'm not alone, I'm not a fanatic, and I think more iPhone owners would ask for it too if they knew why it was that certain websites weren't working.