WSJ: Apple's Chamber departure not in shareholders' interests

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  • Reply 21 of 196
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,758member
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    Originally Posted by webpoet73 View Post


    I hope not... my favorite tv shows are on FOX.



    I agree they have many excellent shows. I just don't think the shows they call 'news' are very good.
  • Reply 22 of 196
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    I didn't know it had a 'news' channel!



    Spend less time in the glades dude. Look around at the world.
  • Reply 23 of 196
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    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post


    I agree they have many excellent shows. I just don't think the shows they call 'news' are very good.



    I wouldn't know... I get my news from the internet. But I do know that I don't want the "empire to crumble" as for no other reason than competition. Do we want CNN to be the only game in town? I don't.
  • Reply 24 of 196
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,865member
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    Originally Posted by FormerARSgm View Post


    blame everything on the RNC. It's weak. And desperate.



    Yes, it is.
  • Reply 25 of 196
    gqbgqb Posts: 1,934member
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    Originally Posted by FormerARSgm View Post


    You realize you sound very uneducated when you say things like that. If your spew crap like that, pleae provide some sort of proof to back up your outrageous claim.



    I'm no CoC fan. I believe they are really only real agenda is to keep dues coming in to support their employees. Any chamber I've ever joined has proven to be able to help grow my business about 1% (give or take a percent).



    But please, spare us the left wing agenda which currently seems to be... blame everything on the RNC. It's weak. And desperate.



    Oh please... CoC (appropriate acronym, btw) is the leading shill for Corporatism, the cancer stage of capitalism. CoC opposes ALL regulation (kinda like the NRA opposes ALL limitations on weapons), and is a megaphone for every outsourcing corporation as they union bust their way to a new age of feudalism.

    That, btw, is not 'left wing'... I have lots of right wing friends who agree that Corporatism has jumped the shark, owing allegiance to the corporation above country.
  • Reply 26 of 196
    gqbgqb Posts: 1,934member
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    Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post


    Yes, it is.





    Well done.
  • Reply 27 of 196
    gqbgqb Posts: 1,934member
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    Originally Posted by FormerARSgm View Post


    Right. Fox News is the most watched news channel in the US. The ratings for their primetime lineup dwarfs MSNBC and CNN and has for years. Murdoch is definately not in tune with the way America feels. He's out of touch. Most Americans support and crave a super left wing liberal agenda. That's why Obama's ratings are so high - cause people really love bigger government and higher taxes. I'm sure Murdoch's empire is falling soon. Hold your breath.



    The difference between Fox and MSNBC is that the 20% of right wing dead-enders need that self-affirming echo chamber and religiously (literally) watch the likes of Bleck.

    MSNBC types think for themselves and don't need their hourly dose of talking points.



    BTW, indeed, when polls ask Americans if they consider themselves Liberal or Conservative, people tend to think of themselves as conservative (small 'c') and answer that way.

    But when you poll issue by issue, whether its gay rights, single payer, gun control, etc etc, most americans end up looking pretty Liberal.

    Funny about that, huh?
  • Reply 28 of 196
    bertpbertp Posts: 274member
    Apple is exercising it's freedom to withdraw from a private organization. They don't need the WSJ editorial board's approval, nor even to abide by the board's view of ?Apple shareholder interest?. Nor is the business community, as a whole, obligated to march in lockstep.



    Mr. Gore is now a private individual who formerly held public office.
  • Reply 29 of 196
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    Originally Posted by GQB View Post


    Oh please... CoC (appropriate acronym, btw) is the leading shill for Corporatism, the cancer stage of capitalism. CoC opposes ALL regulation (kinda like the NRA opposes ALL limitations on weapons), and is a megaphone for every outsourcing corporation as they union bust their way to a new age of feudalism.

    That, btw, is not 'left wing'... I have lots of right wing friends who agree that Corporatism has jumped the shark, owing allegiance to the corporation above country.



    GOB, you have very little credibility. China, Russia, Vietnam, all have renewed capitalist ventures springing up all over.. Bully for you that you have right wing friends .. WOW. You are so cool. Feudalism...... man you are really on top of things. Awesome you GOB
  • Reply 30 of 196
    The Wall Street Journal has become the Pravda of the neo-conservative right. Its editorial board can be depended on to support the right wing position without questioning or analysis. Its worldview has become so detached from reality that one could easily mistake it for the delusional writings that appeared in Maoist China during the Cultural Revolution. Reading it would almost be entertaining but for the realization that so many actually believe its blatant propaganda.
  • Reply 31 of 196
    nagrommenagromme Posts: 2,834member
    You've got to appreciate the WSJ's warped criticism of Al Gore's investments in green companies Evidently, if you support enviornentally sound business practices, you must yourself invest in UNsound businesses, so as to avoid a conflict of interest Makes sense... ?
  • Reply 32 of 196
    rot'napplerot'napple Posts: 1,839member
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    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post


    I agree, but sadly as long as there are Palin and Rush followers to lap it up it here to stay.



    You got your cable channels mixed up...



    PMSNBC is the cable channel that obsesses over Palin and Rush to the point that some, like that dork Keith "I still think Bush is in office" Olbermann, needs psychiatric counseling as in yesterday and the rest I just term as brown noses, not brown shirts, brown noses... Because they have their heads stuck up so far Obama's a$$ they couldn't report the news accurately if their life depended upon it!
  • Reply 33 of 196
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    Originally Posted by catchblue22 View Post


    The Wall Street Journal has become the Pravda of the neo-conservative right. Its editorial board can be depended on to support the right wing position without questioning or analysis. Its worldview has become so detached from reality that one could easily mistake it for the delusional writings that appeared in Maoist China during the Cultural Revolution. Reading it would almost be entertaining but for the realization that so many actually believe its blatant propaganda.



    You sound so much more educated and world savvy than the WSJ writers and researchers. You are the true oracle.. we have to believe you, oh very educated one. Yours is the true word.
  • Reply 34 of 196
    rot'napplerot'napple Posts: 1,839member
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    Originally Posted by GQB View Post


    The difference between Fox and MSNBC is that...



    MSNBC types think for themselves and don't need their hourly dose of talking points.



    Good Lord, I laughed so hard I almost wet myself... MSNBC types think for themselves, now that's Larry the Cable Guy funny!



    Get'R Done!



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GQB View Post


    BTW, indeed, when polls ask Americans if they consider themselves Liberal or Conservative, people tend to think of themselves as conservative (small 'c') and answer that way.

    But when you poll issue by issue, whether its gay rights, single payer, gun control, etc etc, most americans end up looking pretty Liberal.

    Funny about that, huh?



    Asking 25 Democratic Liberal voters, 5 Independent Moderate voters and 10 Republican Conservative voters is how those "polls" work!
  • Reply 35 of 196
    charlitunacharlituna Posts: 7,217member
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    Originally Posted by GQB View Post


    Gee... WSJ (sister publication to Fox news under Murdoch) says short term profits are more important than stemming global climate change.

    What a shock.



    what is mildly amusing about this is that, for various reasons, many folks are now focusing their custom on those companies that are striving to be more green. So Apple's better batteries, removing toxic materials from their computers etc could just gain them enough to make up for any profit loss dropping out of the Chamber could have perhaps caused.



    Also, just like with teenagers, companies are not fond of being told what to do. Encouragement via 'how it profits you' works way better.
  • Reply 36 of 196
    rot'napplerot'napple Posts: 1,839member
    Gore, Chu, Greenpeace... Tells me all I need to know about Apple's decision!
  • Reply 37 of 196
    gqbgqb Posts: 1,934member
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    Originally Posted by weisbear View Post


    GOB, you have very little credibility. China, Russia, Vietnam, all have renewed capitalist ventures springing up all over.. Bully for you that you have right wing friends .. WOW. You are so cool. Feudalism...... man you are really on top of things. Awesome you GOB



    Excellent example of right wing rebuttal. Glad you're so onboard with the easy melding of capitalism and totalitarian communism. But you're right... they do fit well together.
  • Reply 38 of 196
    dh87dh87 Posts: 73member
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    Originally Posted by weisbear View Post


    It costs almost nothing for Apple and Nike to be "progressive" in their stance vs the Chamber. They both know that the majority of pollution and carbon dioxide they produce in other countries will never be subject to US controls or US carbon taxes.



    This board seems to be heavily populated with left wing geeks who don't really understand economics, psychology, marketing or Apple as business enterprise. And they don't like people to disagree with their positions because they wildly vilify those people/enterprises. The best thing for the folks that this description fits is to finish college.



    Excellent point. I think that Apple's board should be replaced by one that has managed a company better than Apple's board has. If you can find one, post it here. Just for proper capitalist comparison, since January 1, 2004, AAPL is up about 18-fold, and its P/E (non-GAAP) is around 20 (that is, the value isn't a speculative bubble).
  • Reply 39 of 196
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,545member
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    Originally Posted by FormerARSgm View Post


    Right. Fox News is the most watched news channel in the US. The ratings for their primetime lineup dwarfs MSNBC and CNN and has for years. Murdoch is definately not in tune with the way America feels. He's out of touch. Most Americans support and crave a super left wing liberal agenda. That's why Obama's ratings are so high - cause people really love bigger government and higher taxes. I'm sure Murdoch's empire is falling soon. Hold your breath.



    You don't need to hold the majority view to have the biggest ratings on a news cable channel.



    What you need is rabid people who tune it in because it reinforces their own extreme views.



    And that's enough extreme politics here.
  • Reply 40 of 196
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,545member
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    Originally Posted by teckstud View Post


    Right - the Wall Street Journal doesn't know what they're talking about- especially that Walt Mossberg!



    So you agree that his review of Windows 7 is a crock, and that it isn't nearly as good as he thinks it is?
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