Nokia's sudden desire to sue Apple wouldn't have anything at all to do with Nokia's $867 million loss for this last quarter, and Apple's $1.67 billion earning for the same period, would it?
If Nokia have spent $60 billion in 10 years they're not getting very good value for money considering their phones are basically the same pieces of crap they were 10 years ago! Shit design, no innovation and as robust as a freshly baked souffle What a pathetic company. They claim to have patents over network "standards"...hello....
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"By refusing to agree appropriate terms for Nokia's intellectual property, Apple is attempting to get a free ride on the back of Nokia's innovation," Ilkka Rahnasto, deputy head of Nokia's legal department, said in the statement.
The company stressed that it had spent $US60 billion in research and development over the past two decades.
"The ten patents in suit relate to technologies fundamental to making devices which are compatible with one or more of the GSM, UMTS (3G WCDMA) and wireless LAN standards," Nokia said.
apple IS the psystar in this case. if nokia really has the patents apple should be respecting that and same goes with psystar for mac os x i'm not going to defending something or someone when they are wrong no matter how much i like them
Apple sold 7.4mil smartphones this quarter. A record for them.
Nokia was selling more than that four years ago.
Please don't make it sound like Apple brought smartphones to the masses.
No Apple did not bring smartphones to the masses by themselves. But they sure are helping. And their business is expanding.
Nokia on the other and is not helping bring smartphones to the masses because they decided to ignore the very important changing american market for smartphones. Apple, Google, and RIM have been changing the market and Nokia thumbed its nose so to speak. They didn't take it seriosly and now their business model needs an overhaul. The company has reason to be concerned. There business model clearly needs rethinking and a mass effort for change. Nokia reported a third-quarter loss of $1.36 billion as sales fell 20 percent globally ? and 25 percent in North America ? from a year earlier. Nokia has said that they "get it" but this is not what analysts see.
Remember Nokia sells all types of phones. Apple has one phone that it sells. Don't confuse this. Nokia is starting shake in its boots.
Nokia on the other and is not helping bring smartphones to the masses because they decided to ignore the very important changing american market for smartphones. Apple, Google, and RIM have been changing the market and Nokia thumbed its nose so to speak. They didn't take it seriosly and now their business model needs an overhaul. The company has reason to be concerned. There business model clearly needs rethinking and a mass effort for change. Nokia reported a third-quarter loss of $1.36 billion as sales fell 20 percent globally ? and 25 percent in North America ? from a year earlier. Nokia has said that they "get it" but this is not what analysts see.
Hate to tell you this, but, North America is not the masses. The North American population is only about 7% of the worlds population...
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Originally Posted by masstrkiller
Remember Nokia sells all types of phones. Apple has one phone that it sells. Don't confuse this. Nokia is starting shake in its boots.
Apple sells more than one model, don't confuse yourself because they look the same, the 3G and 3GS are different, and the fact that there is software available now that will only run on the 3GS proves this...
so if the case goes ahead, and apple is found to be illegally using somebody elses IP, you will also call them a bunch of thieving pricks?
Psystar admitted in the first day that they are violating Apple's EULA and terms of sale and they are trying to justify their violation. However, this case is different because neither you nor Nokia really know how the iPhone handles data and voice connections internally without looking at Apple's codes. Since Apple was welling to pay Ericsson and Qualcomm licensing fees and not Nokia I think they can demonstrate that they are not violating Nokia's IP. No one can't tell without looking at Apple's iPhone code.
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No, because Apple is competing very well against Psystar (according to Apple's latest results).
Apple is suing Psystar to "protect the brand".
Apple is suing psystar to protect their intellectual property, same thing Nokia is doing to Apple.
Their "brand" is part of their Intellectual Property portfolio
Nokia phone section is competing pretty nicely against the pure iPhone component of Apple.
How about Nokia "compensate" apple for [...] getting the average user to actually buy a smartphone.
Apple sold 7.4mil smartphones this quarter. A record for them.
Nokia was selling more than that four years ago.
Please don't make it sound like Apple brought smartphones to the masses.
I don't necessarily agree with your "unbiased" love of C, but this is funny as hell none-the-less.
Nah, didn't think so.....
Does that apply to Apple suing Psystar?
Really?
I can't think of anyone who would classify Psystar as a darling of any industry.
and no, this doesn't apply to psystar as they are a bunch of thieving pricks.
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/m...1023-hc0g.html
If Nokia have spent $60 billion in 10 years they're not getting very good value for money considering their phones are basically the same pieces of crap they were 10 years ago! Shit design, no innovation and as robust as a freshly baked souffle
"By refusing to agree appropriate terms for Nokia's intellectual property, Apple is attempting to get a free ride on the back of Nokia's innovation," Ilkka Rahnasto, deputy head of Nokia's legal department, said in the statement.
The company stressed that it had spent $US60 billion in research and development over the past two decades.
"The ten patents in suit relate to technologies fundamental to making devices which are compatible with one or more of the GSM, UMTS (3G WCDMA) and wireless LAN standards," Nokia said.
If you can't beat em sue em.
and no, this doesn't apply to psystar as they are a bunch of thieving pricks.
so if the case goes ahead, and apple is found to be illegally using somebody elses IP, you will also call them a bunch of thieving pricks?
Does that apply to Apple suing Psystar?
apple IS the psystar in this case. if nokia really has the patents apple should be respecting that and same goes with psystar for mac os x i'm not going to defending something or someone when they are wrong no matter how much i like them
Apple sueing Pystar to protect it's IP = GREAT!
Nokia sueing Apple to protect it's IP = TERRIBLE TRAVISTY!
Now, they both should be the same thing, so which is it gonna be?
I don't necessarily agree with your "unibiased" love of C, but this is funny as hell none-the-less.
Thank you!
All those language "holy wars" are actually made just to laugh at. It's far more pleasing to know someone can see your humor. Thanks again.
everyone is trying to take a swipe at the leader.lol!
I'd hardly say everyone is taking a swipe at Nokia. It's only Apple that they're sueing.
What a pathetic company. They claim to have patents over network "standards"...hello....
Yo don't know much about telephony, don't you?
Apple sold 7.4mil smartphones this quarter. A record for them.
Nokia was selling more than that four years ago.
Please don't make it sound like Apple brought smartphones to the masses.
No Apple did not bring smartphones to the masses by themselves. But they sure are helping. And their business is expanding.
Nokia on the other and is not helping bring smartphones to the masses because they decided to ignore the very important changing american market for smartphones. Apple, Google, and RIM have been changing the market and Nokia thumbed its nose so to speak. They didn't take it seriosly and now their business model needs an overhaul. The company has reason to be concerned. There business model clearly needs rethinking and a mass effort for change. Nokia reported a third-quarter loss of $1.36 billion as sales fell 20 percent globally ? and 25 percent in North America ? from a year earlier. Nokia has said that they "get it" but this is not what analysts see.
Remember Nokia sells all types of phones. Apple has one phone that it sells. Don't confuse this. Nokia is starting shake in its boots.
Nokia on the other and is not helping bring smartphones to the masses because they decided to ignore the very important changing american market for smartphones. Apple, Google, and RIM have been changing the market and Nokia thumbed its nose so to speak. They didn't take it seriosly and now their business model needs an overhaul. The company has reason to be concerned. There business model clearly needs rethinking and a mass effort for change. Nokia reported a third-quarter loss of $1.36 billion as sales fell 20 percent globally ? and 25 percent in North America ? from a year earlier. Nokia has said that they "get it" but this is not what analysts see.
Hate to tell you this, but, North America is not the masses. The North American population is only about 7% of the worlds population...
Remember Nokia sells all types of phones. Apple has one phone that it sells. Don't confuse this. Nokia is starting shake in its boots.
Apple sells more than one model, don't confuse yourself because they look the same, the 3G and 3GS are different, and the fact that there is software available now that will only run on the 3GS proves this...
so if the case goes ahead, and apple is found to be illegally using somebody elses IP, you will also call them a bunch of thieving pricks?
Psystar admitted in the first day that they are violating Apple's EULA and terms of sale and they are trying to justify their violation. However, this case is different because neither you nor Nokia really know how the iPhone handles data and voice connections internally without looking at Apple's codes. Since Apple was welling to pay Ericsson and Qualcomm licensing fees and not Nokia I think they can demonstrate that they are not violating Nokia's IP. No one can't tell without looking at Apple's iPhone code.
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