As far as I know, at the moment, the type of processor in the I series has not been verified. They could very well be I series Lynnfield. This is a semi mobile processor if you ask me. By this I mean it still uses to much power for most laptops even if Intel calls it a mobile.
That's a straw man argument. I'm glad you purchased something that met your needs, but it does not address the premise that Apple & investors would benefit from lowering their product prices to make them more appealing in the current economic environment.
No. I'm not arguing.
I gave you my opinion, and then described my experiences. You're prediction that Apple is headed in the wrong direction for not having relatively inexpensive computers might be right. However that's the future, and tomorrow never knows. However given Apple's recent earnings report it seems to me the company is headed in the right direction, but I don't know for certain, and neither do you.
Interestingly enough, none of them have a 27" screen with 2560x1440 resolution or a multi-touch mouse. Many of them have touch displays. If the trend catches on, companies that sell display cleaning kits and chiropractors who treat neck and shoulder problems will see their business grow...
Actually, my thinking is that if the PC world were to wake up and realize that a vertical touch screen is stupid, but maybe building a display that lays the computer desktop down flat, like, I dunno, a real desktop ... they might be on to something. Could be interesting.
Actually, my thinking is that if the PC world were to wake up and realize that a vertical touch screen is stupid, but maybe building a display that lays the computer desktop down flat, like, I dunno, a real desktop ... they might be on to something. Could be interesting.
It seems most people think the future of computing should be based off movies from Philip K. Dick books, so I don’t the idea of a large upright touchscreen display for everyday computing will go away anytime soon.
Macs are not Lexus or BMWs, and Apple has never (and would be stupid to) use that as an analogy in any marketing campaign.
Sorry but Macs are indeed Lexus and BMWs. And that is not a bad thing. If you think all you pay for when you purchase a BMW is ornamentation then you are quite mistaken. The successful luxury carmakers not only pay more attention and spend more money on visual and ergonomic design, they also develop and incorporate leading edge technology. All the fancy gizmos and features that are now taken for granted in non-lux cars were first introduced by the luxury carmakers. You name it. GPS, DSP stereos, auto climate control, ABS brakes, stability control, on-board computers etc.
And yes Steve Jobs himself has compared Apple's place in the market to BMW. Why do you think Apple is doing well in a recession? Like BMW, Apple is an aspirational brand. People are willing to pay more for a nicer looking computer, built using better materials AND with much better performance than "non-luxury" computers. Unlike BMW though, Apple's entry fee is way, way less than 40 thousand dollars.
For a personal computer to be revolutionary it needs to do something like operate by thought.
Oh my Mac operates by thought. I think about what I want to do and my thoughts are magically translated into hand and finger gestures which manipulate the keyboard and mouse and voila! the computer has just obeyed my thoughts! Neat, huh?
Macs are not Lexus or BMWs, and Apple has never (and would be stupid to) use that as an analogy in any marketing campaign. One of their prior CEOs (Gil Amelio) compared Macs to Mag-lites, and he didn't last long after that.
Macs are general consumer electronics devices. Their not hand crafted and don't offer porter service. I happen to think their technology is (and has been) generally superior to PCs, but I know that's not the case in all situations. But I'm in a graphic arts profession and Macs are the clear superior product. But they are by no means luxury items. And I don't expect to pay a premium for their name either. They use many of the exact same componants as PCs and still charge a premium for them (check their custom config pricing, their RAM & HD prices are above competition and offer no advantages whatsoever).
So yes, while I'm glad my Apple stock is going up, I want it to CONTINUE to go up through more wide stream adoption and an increase in market share, and lower prices will help play a role in that continued success.
I find it interesting that you state: "But I'm in a graphic arts profession and Macs are the clear superior product". So Im wondering how you then say: They use many of the exact same componants as PCs. .... I'm guessing that, in your profession, although someone else could use the same words and images, the end result might not be the same as what you could produce. You should check out the use of those components ,( i.e., design) of Mac products. That's why they retain their inherent value as they do.
As well, as a professional, surely you must realize that quality and low prices are not "two fingers of the same glove" ... better stick to graphic design.
I,m guessing that, in your profession, although someone else could use the same words and images, the end result might not be the same as what you could produce.
Sort of like that Monty Python skit about acting Shakespeare: "Well, I don't want to give you the idea that it's just the number of words. You have to get them in the right order too."
Nope he is pretty much correct in his choice of words for the hardware. Snow Leopard might be seen as more revolutionary if it is successful in moving software to wider adoption of parallel processing.
Replacing a crap computer with a highly salable one is not revolutionary at all.
I would agree that the changes/additions/advancements in the new iMac are significant enough to be designated as evolutionary.
However, if the new iMac begins to significantly reverse the current buying patterns seen over the past few years, i.e., more laptops than desktops, then not only is it evolutionary, but it is also revolutionary.
If the new features of Snow Leopard only continues to affect a positive growth of the Mac OS market, it would be evolutionary. If, however, it dramatically begins to erode into the Windows market, then it is revolutionary.
Not sure I agree about the iMac not being revolutionary, especially the 27" model. The ability to do double duty as a TV (finally) is pretty impressive and I hope improvements to both Front Row and Apple TV are on their way. All they've done with the Macbook is differentiate it further from the Pro line by removing some useful ports, improving the enclosure somewhat, but not lowering the price. I wonder when the cheaper models will come? I also think they should have added an SD card slot to be honest.
I would agree that the changes/additions/advancements in the new iMac are significant enough to be designated as evolutionary.
However, if the new iMac begins to significantly reverse the current buying patterns seen over the past few years, i.e., more laptops than desktops, then not only is it evolutionary, but it is also revolutionary.
If the new features of Snow Leopard only continues to affect a positive growth of the Mac OS market, it would be evolutionary. If, however, it dramatically begins to erode into the Windows market, then it is revolutionary.
The only earth shaterring change has been the mouse.
The look?- same, just different proportions. Apple didn't invent nor make better 16:9. -it's has been a video standard for 10 years. LED is new and nice but not new.
The best change is its back- gone is the yucky black plastic Dell look now a nice unibody aluminum. ( I feel for those that are stuck with that plastic black back model)
The insides? just using what's already out there. missing Blu-ray and missing Blu-ray
What's lacking:
The stand still can't be adjusted vertically.
Glossy glare to the extreme- NO MATTE OPTION!!!!!!!!!!!!
Apple didn't invent nor make better 16:9. -it's has been a video standard for 10 years. LED is new and nice but not new.
I could have sworn that 16:10 was the computer dispaly standard these days with the previous standard being 4:3. I wonder what land of make believe that 16:9 was the standard monitor ratio for COMPUTERS.
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What's lacking:
The stand still can't be adjusted vertically.
Glossy glare to the extreme.
A mouse that works with a large hand.
Oh - and Blu-ray.
You heard it here folks. Teckstud wants the displays to be glossy to the extreme.
Sort of like that Monty Python skit about acting Shakespeare: "Well, I don't want to give you the idea that it's just the number of words. You have to get them in the right order too."
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That's a straw man argument. I'm glad you purchased something that met your needs, but it does not address the premise that Apple & investors would benefit from lowering their product prices to make them more appealing in the current economic environment.
No. I'm not arguing.
I gave you my opinion, and then described my experiences. You're prediction that Apple is headed in the wrong direction for not having relatively inexpensive computers might be right. However that's the future, and tomorrow never knows. However given Apple's recent earnings report it seems to me the company is headed in the right direction, but I don't know for certain, and neither do you.
It is kind of funny to see all these iMac wannabes introduced today.
Interestingly enough, none of them have a 27" screen with 2560x1440 resolution or a multi-touch mouse. Many of them have touch displays. If the trend catches on, companies that sell display cleaning kits and chiropractors who treat neck and shoulder problems will see their business grow...
Actually, my thinking is that if the PC world were to wake up and realize that a vertical touch screen is stupid, but maybe building a display that lays the computer desktop down flat, like, I dunno, a real desktop ... they might be on to something. Could be interesting.
Actually, my thinking is that if the PC world were to wake up and realize that a vertical touch screen is stupid, but maybe building a display that lays the computer desktop down flat, like, I dunno, a real desktop ... they might be on to something. Could be interesting.
It seems most people think the future of computing should be based off movies from Philip K. Dick books, so I don’t the idea of a large upright touchscreen display for everyday computing will go away anytime soon.
Mossberg the Moron.
These latest two products are perhaps two of the most revolutionary products ever released onto the public. He needs to go back to journalism school.
I bet you say that every time Apple updates a product, don't you?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/te...h/22pogue.html
Sorry to be the purveyor of such bad news.
I know, he's a Moron too, but I thought y'all'd like to see it anyways.
Macs are not Lexus or BMWs, and Apple has never (and would be stupid to) use that as an analogy in any marketing campaign.
Sorry but Macs are indeed Lexus and BMWs. And that is not a bad thing. If you think all you pay for when you purchase a BMW is ornamentation then you are quite mistaken. The successful luxury carmakers not only pay more attention and spend more money on visual and ergonomic design, they also develop and incorporate leading edge technology. All the fancy gizmos and features that are now taken for granted in non-lux cars were first introduced by the luxury carmakers. You name it. GPS, DSP stereos, auto climate control, ABS brakes, stability control, on-board computers etc.
And yes Steve Jobs himself has compared Apple's place in the market to BMW. Why do you think Apple is doing well in a recession? Like BMW, Apple is an aspirational brand. People are willing to pay more for a nicer looking computer, built using better materials AND with much better performance than "non-luxury" computers. Unlike BMW though, Apple's entry fee is way, way less than 40 thousand dollars.
Mossberg the Moron.
These latest two products are perhaps two of the most revolutionary products ever released onto the public. He needs to go back to journalism school.
Yeah he stuck in Microsoft World with Windows 7 so forget him and move on.
If you are in a constant state of revolution, you are by definition just going in circles
Exactly. It's like when things are said to "turn a corner." Do that a few times and you are back where you started.
On another note, David Pogue of the New York Times raves today about Windows 7.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/te...h/22pogue.html
Sorry to be the purveyor of such bad news.
I know, he's a Moron too, but I thought y'all'd like to see it anyways.
"Raves"? (Look it up).
For a personal computer to be revolutionary it needs to do something like operate by thought.
Oh my Mac operates by thought. I think about what I want to do and my thoughts are magically translated into hand and finger gestures which manipulate the keyboard and mouse and voila! the computer has just obeyed my thoughts! Neat, huh?
Macs are not Lexus or BMWs, and Apple has never (and would be stupid to) use that as an analogy in any marketing campaign. One of their prior CEOs (Gil Amelio) compared Macs to Mag-lites, and he didn't last long after that.
Macs are general consumer electronics devices. Their not hand crafted and don't offer porter service. I happen to think their technology is (and has been) generally superior to PCs, but I know that's not the case in all situations. But I'm in a graphic arts profession and Macs are the clear superior product. But they are by no means luxury items. And I don't expect to pay a premium for their name either. They use many of the exact same componants as PCs and still charge a premium for them (check their custom config pricing, their RAM & HD prices are above competition and offer no advantages whatsoever).
So yes, while I'm glad my Apple stock is going up, I want it to CONTINUE to go up through more wide stream adoption and an increase in market share, and lower prices will help play a role in that continued success.
I find it interesting that you state: "But I'm in a graphic arts profession and Macs are the clear superior product". So Im wondering how you then say: They use many of the exact same componants as PCs. .... I'm guessing that, in your profession, although someone else could use the same words and images, the end result might not be the same as what you could produce. You should check out the use of those components ,( i.e., design) of Mac products. That's why they retain their inherent value as they do.
As well, as a professional, surely you must realize that quality and low prices are not "two fingers of the same glove" ... better stick to graphic design.
"Raves"? (Look it up).
Hey I'm from NYC - what do you expect?
I,m guessing that, in your profession, although someone else could use the same words and images, the end result might not be the same as what you could produce.
Sort of like that Monty Python skit about acting Shakespeare: "Well, I don't want to give you the idea that it's just the number of words. You have to get them in the right order too."
Nope he is pretty much correct in his choice of words for the hardware. Snow Leopard might be seen as more revolutionary if it is successful in moving software to wider adoption of parallel processing.
Replacing a crap computer with a highly salable one is not revolutionary at all.
I would agree that the changes/additions/advancements in the new iMac are significant enough to be designated as evolutionary.
However, if the new iMac begins to significantly reverse the current buying patterns seen over the past few years, i.e., more laptops than desktops, then not only is it evolutionary, but it is also revolutionary.
If the new features of Snow Leopard only continues to affect a positive growth of the Mac OS market, it would be evolutionary. If, however, it dramatically begins to erode into the Windows market, then it is revolutionary.
I would agree that the changes/additions/advancements in the new iMac are significant enough to be designated as evolutionary.
However, if the new iMac begins to significantly reverse the current buying patterns seen over the past few years, i.e., more laptops than desktops, then not only is it evolutionary, but it is also revolutionary.
If the new features of Snow Leopard only continues to affect a positive growth of the Mac OS market, it would be evolutionary. If, however, it dramatically begins to erode into the Windows market, then it is revolutionary.
The only earth shaterring change has been the mouse.
The look?- same, just different proportions. Apple didn't invent nor make better 16:9. -it's has been a video standard for 10 years. LED is new and nice but not new.
The best change is its back- gone is the yucky black plastic Dell look now a nice unibody aluminum. ( I feel for those that are stuck with that plastic black back model)
The insides? just using what's already out there. missing Blu-ray and missing Blu-ray
What's lacking:
The stand still can't be adjusted vertically.
Glossy glare to the extreme- NO MATTE OPTION!!!!!!!!!!!!
A mouse that works with a large hand.
Oh - and Blu-ray.
Apple didn't invent nor make better 16:9. -it's has been a video standard for 10 years. LED is new and nice but not new.
I could have sworn that 16:10 was the computer dispaly standard these days with the previous standard being 4:3. I wonder what land of make believe that 16:9 was the standard monitor ratio for COMPUTERS.
What's lacking:
The stand still can't be adjusted vertically.
Glossy glare to the extreme.
A mouse that works with a large hand.
Oh - and Blu-ray.
You heard it here folks. Teckstud wants the displays to be glossy to the extreme.
Sort of like that Monty Python skit about acting Shakespeare: "Well, I don't want to give you the idea that it's just the number of words. You have to get them in the right order too."
Couldn't myself have said it better! haha
Although the new Magic Mouse is great.