What, exactly, is revolutionary about them? They are simply refinements of existing designs.
The iPhone was revolutionary. The current crop of Macs are not.
Well, I'll take evolutionary every time, since I always wait for the revision design. Besides, other than evolutionary upgrades, the AL iMac is the best design Apple has ever produced. This new 27" desktop Quad Core i7, High Definition IPS display, and the new glass design is a refinement I would personally call revolutionary evolution.
I've often wondered why Apple couldn't make a broader range of Mac Pro's. I understand that cheap = mini's, mid-range = iMac's, and high-end = Mac Pro's, but Mac Pro's are the only ones capable of supporting multiple monitors (I think?), expansion, and things like that. It wouldn't kill them to make a normal dual core desktop for around $1000. As cool as iMac's are, not everyone wants an all-in-one; they're specialty machines like the Air. My 2 pence.
The art easel imac is a tired design. It's been around since the white imac. I expected apple to retire it. The evolution of the imac has run into a brick wall. The refinements are a big whoop! Guess this imac will be around for another 4 years. Sigh.
That's a straw man argument. I'm glad you purchased something that met your needs, but it does not address the premise that Apple & investors would benefit from lowering their product prices to make them more appealing in the current economic environment.
Maybe you didn't notice that, in this current economic environment, Apple made $1.5 Billion NET profit in the last quarter. I'm sure their happy with that. Lowering their price margins will NOT do anything better for their investors. Apple understands volume marketing in their marketplace will never bring them more profit in the long run, and actually might hurt consumer value if they had to cut corners to make up for lower margins. That's not good for investors or Mac consumers.
Maybe you should reevaluate your economic premise.
Having looked at the screens of the new (and old machines for that matter), I can say that the hi-glare screens are a PITA, not that Apple is alone in this regard. It simply limits the utility of the computers. On the laptops, at least with the 15" MacBook Pro you have the option to purchase a non-glare screen.
The "magic mouse" seemed a very odd size to me. Perhaps using one for a longer period of time would make it seem better, but it is not appealing from the outset.
Maybe you didn't notice that, in this current economic environment, Apple made $1.5 Billion NET profit in the last quarter. I'm sure their happy with that. Lowering their price margins will NOT do anything better for their investors. Apple understands volume marketing in their marketplace will never bring them more profit in the long run, and actually might hurt consumer value if they had to cut corners to make up for lower margins. That's not good for investors or Mac consumers.
Maybe you should reevaluate your economic premise.
The brand can also be hurt by lowering the threshold of quality and sale price. Remember when Trinitron used to mean quality?
These latest two products are perhaps two of the most revolutionary products ever released onto the public. He needs to go back to journalism school.
actually they really aren't. Mossberg is right on that point all the way.
but I say, so what. why does very new release have to be something brand new. why can't it be making what you've got a little better. after all, you don't teach a baby to run the second he takes his first steps.
and frankly I wasn't shocked by the lack of 'revolution' considering all the rumors that Apple is working on a tablet. that will be the brand new thang. which such a new thing it would be hard to do something super crazy with the desktops, so drop the heck out of the prices and give us more bang for the buck. I for one am happy that a bump from 4 to 8 gb in an imac isn't another $1000, that I can put 2tb of hard drive in the machine. that i have a computer that could even replace my crappy 19in tv and so on.
and over the next few days as the stores get the computers in stock and on display and the word gets out, we'll see if they sell or not.
Hello Teckstud. No, not yet. I haven't finished 'whack-ter-bat-ing' over it yet. (The pictures online, I mean...)
Haven't managed to get to the Apple Store in Sheffield yet. (Where, hopefully, they're in stock...because it takes 'Square group' ages to get the latest kit in...)
On the mouse, I think it's a ground breaking piece of art. It's innovative. Sure, it's not a logi-tech ball of cheese and plasticine mouse with 12 keyboard buttons for absolutely no reason. But it reminds me of the old 'pro' mouse Apple used to ship with its PowerMacs a few years back with the 'see through' look. It looks sheer simplicity. And I like that. While PC mouse makers are piling on the hardware buttons, Apple are making the 'fluff' disappear. No cables. No clit. No dirt.
Magic Mouse looks gorgeous. I can't wait to see how she handles around the corners...and give her the two finger gesture.
I'm getting quite moist thinking about it...
Lemon Bon Bon.
Drove around the Magic Mouse today to see how it handled. Overall, liked the balance, the "center wheel" flick, and the feel. Wasn't crazy about two finger left and right swipes because the mouse simply isn't heavy enough to keep it from moving... so, I'd probably not be able to take advantage of the side swipes, especially if it takes another hand to steady the mouse, then swipe. Kinda defeats the whole purpose. I think a swipe pad on the keyboard itself would have made more sense.
Also, the new iMac is a veeeeeery nice rig. Love the right to the edge glass on the face (reminds me of a nicely designed car). Looks like Mr. Sandwich is going to need to scrape up the $3,000 to buy a new computer.
Maybe you didn't notice that, in this current economic environment, Apple made $1.5 Billion NET profit in the last quarter. I'm sure their happy with that. Lowering their price margins will NOT do anything better for their investors. Apple understands volume marketing in their marketplace will never bring them more profit in the long run, and actually might hurt consumer value if they had to cut corners to make up for lower margins. That's not good for investors or Mac consumers.
Maybe you should reevaluate your economic premise.
Apple decided (quite brilliantly) to only go after the top 10% of the populous and their profits during a recession only proves the obvious: The top 10% of us have enough cash reserves to buy whatever they want even when the other 90% are struggling.
They don't want 85% of the market because then the EU would start dictating what they can/cannot bundle, malicious attacks will increase tenfold (and we know it is possible to kill a mac), have to lower QC to produce more machines and people will start demanding cheaper budget systems they don't want to make. (Obviously when a $600 notebook still sells for $999)
Drove around the Magic Mouse today to see how it handled. Overall, liked the balance, the "center wheel" flick, and the feel. Wasn't crazy about two finger left and right swipes because the mouse simply isn't heavy enough to keep it from moving... so, I'd probably not be able to take advantage of the side swipes, especially if it takes another hand to steady the mouse, then swipe. Kinda defeats the whole purpose. I think a swipe pad on the keyboard itself would have made more sense.
Also, the new iMac is a veeeeeery nice rig. Love the right to the edge glass on the face (reminds me of a nicely designed car). Looks like Mr. Sandwich is going to need to scrape up the $3,000 to buy a new computer.
The glass before- it didn't go to the edge? Where did it stop / - at the black border?
"Transitional" is probably a better word. I think the S775 (Core 2 Duo) models are placeholders until dual-core (w/HT) Nehalem processors arrive in Q1 of next year.
Are you recommending a butt-based touch screen for couch potatoes? Would be much easier than having to get off our collective duffs...
Imagine sitting at a desk using your computer. The way MS has you using touchscreen is to reach over the keyboard to touch a vertical screen. What I'm suggesting is, if you had a screen that laid flat on the desk, with maybe a 5-10 degree of inclination, you would be sitting more natural, looking at a downward angle as opposed to upward and you would only have to move your hand forward rather than upward .... just sounds better to me anyway!
"Transitional" is probably a better word. I think the S775 (Core 2 Duo) models are placeholders until dual-core (w/HT) Nehalem processors arrive in Q1 of next year.
These latest two products are perhaps two of the most revolutionary products ever released onto the public. He needs to go back to journalism school.
I assume this is sarcasm?
Because if upgraded internals and a few new design changes make for "the most revolutionary products ever released onto the public," then virtually anything new can be called "the most revolutionary product ever."
What, exactly, is revolutionary about them? They are simply refinements of existing designs.
The iPhone was revolutionary. The current crop of Macs are not.
That depends. "Revolutionary" means different things to different people. If you bought an iMac within the last - what? eighteen months? two years? - then sure: they're not revolutionary. But if you've never had a Mac, or only owned a PowerMac/older iMac then the idea of a 27" LED screen, 1-2 TB, quad-core tiny-footprint all wireless Mac might well be revolutionary. It is to me.
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What, exactly, is revolutionary about them? They are simply refinements of existing designs.
The iPhone was revolutionary. The current crop of Macs are not.
Well, I'll take evolutionary every time, since I always wait for the revision design. Besides, other than evolutionary upgrades, the AL iMac is the best design Apple has ever produced. This new 27" desktop Quad Core i7, High Definition IPS display, and the new glass design is a refinement I would personally call revolutionary evolution.
That's a straw man argument. I'm glad you purchased something that met your needs, but it does not address the premise that Apple & investors would benefit from lowering their product prices to make them more appealing in the current economic environment.
Maybe you didn't notice that, in this current economic environment, Apple made $1.5 Billion NET profit in the last quarter. I'm sure their happy with that. Lowering their price margins will NOT do anything better for their investors. Apple understands volume marketing in their marketplace will never bring them more profit in the long run, and actually might hurt consumer value if they had to cut corners to make up for lower margins. That's not good for investors or Mac consumers.
Maybe you should reevaluate your economic premise.
The "magic mouse" seemed a very odd size to me. Perhaps using one for a longer period of time would make it seem better, but it is not appealing from the outset.
Maybe you didn't notice that, in this current economic environment, Apple made $1.5 Billion NET profit in the last quarter. I'm sure their happy with that. Lowering their price margins will NOT do anything better for their investors. Apple understands volume marketing in their marketplace will never bring them more profit in the long run, and actually might hurt consumer value if they had to cut corners to make up for lower margins. That's not good for investors or Mac consumers.
Maybe you should reevaluate your economic premise.
The brand can also be hurt by lowering the threshold of quality and sale price. Remember when Trinitron used to mean quality?
Mossberg the Moron.
These latest two products are perhaps two of the most revolutionary products ever released onto the public. He needs to go back to journalism school.
actually they really aren't. Mossberg is right on that point all the way.
but I say, so what. why does very new release have to be something brand new. why can't it be making what you've got a little better. after all, you don't teach a baby to run the second he takes his first steps.
and frankly I wasn't shocked by the lack of 'revolution' considering all the rumors that Apple is working on a tablet. that will be the brand new thang. which such a new thing it would be hard to do something super crazy with the desktops, so drop the heck out of the prices and give us more bang for the buck. I for one am happy that a bump from 4 to 8 gb in an imac isn't another $1000, that I can put 2tb of hard drive in the machine. that i have a computer that could even replace my crappy 19in tv and so on.
and over the next few days as the stores get the computers in stock and on display and the word gets out, we'll see if they sell or not.
Hello Teckstud. No, not yet. I haven't finished 'whack-ter-bat-ing' over it yet.
Haven't managed to get to the Apple Store in Sheffield yet. (Where, hopefully, they're in stock...because it takes 'Square group' ages to get the latest kit in...)
On the mouse, I think it's a ground breaking piece of art. It's innovative. Sure, it's not a logi-tech ball of cheese and plasticine mouse with 12 keyboard buttons for absolutely no reason. But it reminds me of the old 'pro' mouse Apple used to ship with its PowerMacs a few years back with the 'see through' look. It looks sheer simplicity. And I like that. While PC mouse makers are piling on the hardware buttons, Apple are making the 'fluff' disappear. No cables. No clit. No dirt.
Magic Mouse looks gorgeous. I can't wait to see how she handles around the corners...and give her the two finger gesture.
I'm getting quite moist thinking about it...
Lemon Bon Bon.
Drove around the Magic Mouse today to see how it handled.
Also, the new iMac is a veeeeeery nice rig. Love the right to the edge glass on the face (reminds me of a nicely designed car). Looks like Mr. Sandwich is going to need to scrape up the $3,000 to buy a new computer.
Bread tastes better in pairs. See I can state the obvious too!
Maybe you didn't notice that, in this current economic environment, Apple made $1.5 Billion NET profit in the last quarter. I'm sure their happy with that. Lowering their price margins will NOT do anything better for their investors. Apple understands volume marketing in their marketplace will never bring them more profit in the long run, and actually might hurt consumer value if they had to cut corners to make up for lower margins. That's not good for investors or Mac consumers.
Maybe you should reevaluate your economic premise.
Apple decided (quite brilliantly) to only go after the top 10% of the populous and their profits during a recession only proves the obvious: The top 10% of us have enough cash reserves to buy whatever they want even when the other 90% are struggling.
They don't want 85% of the market because then the EU would start dictating what they can/cannot bundle, malicious attacks will increase tenfold (and we know it is possible to kill a mac), have to lower QC to produce more machines and people will start demanding cheaper budget systems they don't want to make. (Obviously when a $600 notebook still sells for $999)
I really don't need Mossberg to tell me what to think.
Just Steve Jobs.
Drove around the Magic Mouse today to see how it handled.
Also, the new iMac is a veeeeeery nice rig. Love the right to the edge glass on the face (reminds me of a nicely designed car). Looks like Mr. Sandwich is going to need to scrape up the $3,000 to buy a new computer.
The glass before- it didn't go to the edge? Where did it stop / - at the black border?
Are you recommending a butt-based touch screen for couch potatoes? Would be much easier than having to get off our collective duffs...
Imagine sitting at a desk using your computer. The way MS has you using touchscreen is to reach over the keyboard to touch a vertical screen. What I'm suggesting is, if you had a screen that laid flat on the desk, with maybe a 5-10 degree of inclination, you would be sitting more natural, looking at a downward angle as opposed to upward and you would only have to move your hand forward rather than upward .... just sounds better to me anyway!
The glass before- it didn't go to the edge? Where did it stop / - at the black border?
It stopped about 4mm from the edge.
"Transitional" is probably a better word. I think the S775 (Core 2 Duo) models are placeholders until dual-core (w/HT) Nehalem processors arrive in Q1 of next year.
+1
OK, now it is long enough to post.
Mossberg the Moron.
These latest two products are perhaps two of the most revolutionary products ever released onto the public. He needs to go back to journalism school.
I assume this is sarcasm?
Because if upgraded internals and a few new design changes make for "the most revolutionary products ever released onto the public," then virtually anything new can be called "the most revolutionary product ever."
The glass before- it didn't go to the edge? Where did it stop / - at the black border?
The glass stopped 4mm short of the edge of the machine as was surrounded by the aluminium frame.
What, exactly, is revolutionary about them? They are simply refinements of existing designs.
The iPhone was revolutionary. The current crop of Macs are not.
That depends. "Revolutionary" means different things to different people. If you bought an iMac within the last - what? eighteen months? two years? - then sure: they're not revolutionary. But if you've never had a Mac, or only owned a PowerMac/older iMac then the idea of a 27" LED screen, 1-2 TB, quad-core tiny-footprint all wireless Mac might well be revolutionary. It is to me.