Yes, provided it has Intel Atom inside and not ARM, to run Apple Keynote and PowerPoint for presentations via video-out port.
I've seen this example several times from several people and for the life of me can't understand why you would even want to attempt that. Really the screen would be in the wrong orientation and you would most likely not want to be carrying it around when giving a presentation.
Have you thought about the ergonomics of trying to use a tablet in this sort of situation? About the only way I could see it being useful is in trying to emulate an overhead projector where you can annotate on screen live. In any event enlighten me as to why this seems to be a point of contention, because I don't really get it.
I feel, with the long legacy of chunky lego brick tablets from the windows side of town we can expect an Apple 'tablet' to simply 'blow us away.'
Anything is possible.
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10 inches. I think that's about right. And the rumours seem to be leaning that way...
Sadly I don't think that way. For me portability is an absolute must.
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7 inches? Squinting at Multimedia slightly less than on an iPhone/pod. Erm.
Actually that isn't the case. If you do the math you will find that the number of pixels increases dramatically with a 7 inch screen.
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10 inchers is more comfortable for viewing, reading multimedia and is close to the size of print media that people consume re: magazines, comics, newspapers. It's a size that fits in with most people's reading experience? Roughly A4 in size? Give or take.
Depends upon the experience you are drawing upon. A seven inch screen puts it into the class of paperback book size. A size found handy for carrying around. Like wise a good size for many E-Books.
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I don't think this is a device for a pocket. It's bigger than that. This is a 'sofa' browser/bed browser/work browser...so it has to be at a comfortable size to avoid eyestrain with prolonged use. It's far easier to port alot of print media to this size I'd imagine.
Well it depends again upon the devices size but it wouldn't be any worst than stuffing a paper back book in a big pocket if it was 7" size.
As to a bed browser, one woman I know purchased a netbook specifically for that. The trouble with that usage is that the tablet would not be able to support itself the way a netbook supports its screen.
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ie while we transition from paper media to digital paper over the next ten years? As we lose traditional notions of what size tablets (care of traditional print media...) 'should' be...I could see Apple offering different screen sizes in the future? But for now...I think 10 inches seems to make the most sense all things considered.
Why wait for the future? Apple doesn't sell one size of iPod or one Mac Portable.
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Folding device? Screen? Not sure it's very Apple, design wise.
Could be very Apple if it is a one piece OLED screen that has no seam down the bend line.
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It' nearly November. And I feel, in my waters , that Apple will release this shockwave at the start of Jan' 2010. So, we have...9 weeks to go?
Yes that is my feeling too. Considering the holidays those 9 weeks go fast.
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I feel this product is just an evolution of the iPhone...at a larger size. Though with a bigger screen size...I'd expect an expansion of the multi-touch vocabulary...gestures...and more use of Core Animation than ever before?
Exactly and is why I always try to impress that he OS will be "derived" from iPhone.
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The notion of Apple TV, iPhone and 'Slate' all having iPhone OS makes perfect sense to me. In a computing future of 'small/portable/on the go/casual/electronic' devices...a bloated OS is not going to appear on such nimble device...which is going to use low power components for battery life. People wishing for a full blow OS X? I'm not sure you're going to get it. I don't think it's necessary. Leopard went on a crash diet to become Snow Leopard. But I'd still be surprised if that made the cut.
The other issue is ARM. It is in Apples best interest to keep the ARM derived machines running one stream of applications and the X86 hardware another. It simply reduces consumer confusion.
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The iPhone/touch platform has 85000 apps and counting. A number to dwarf all Mac apps since it's creation. A slate tablet running iPhone OS will add to that. Apple TV is no dud. Get it running on OS iPhone will add to its momentum. Imagine being able to download Apps right to your tv? Games...etc for a mere quid each. It's a value proposition. And I'm surprised Apple isn't there with the games side of it...or int' the App store. It seems like the natural synergy with iPhone. iPHone as a remote to control A.TV and using iPHone as a 'controller' for the games. It's a two for one offer. Sooner or later, surely? Similarly, a 'slate' would make a nice 'intimate' companion for a.tv also.
I'm begining to wonder if Apple is thinking smart when it comes to Apple TV. It really needs to move to iPhone OS and that app stream real quick.
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I think that's the future...as far as mainstream Apple is concerned. That would be some momentum...and I think Apple recognises the considerable 'gap' they've opened up over traditional computing Behemoths like M$, Dell, HP and rucking RIM, Nokia etc in the process. This is a chance to 'win' the next great computing age. The '3rd' great age. And I don't think Apple will jeopardise that by hobbling it with legacy barnacle code and weighing a tablet down with people who want to run Photoshop on it. With the gold mine that is the App store and the new development environment that goes with it...I'd expect a stripped down approach to bring fresh new apps, new competition, quicker...with innovation that will upset the old software cartels. This is a chance to unseat the Adobes/M$s in the new computing era. See Adobe's struggle with flash on the iPhone. And where is M$? I think that's a sign of things to come as we 'transition' to truly mobile computing. There'll be a place for Macs and they'll get good kick back from the holy trinity of iPhone/pod touch- Apple TV - Slate.
They're transitioning to a consumer electronics company. Arguable the 'new' Sony. Anybody who doesn't realise that hasn't been paying attention for the last 10 years. Apple now longer makes 'just beige' towers that cost too much. They've come a long way. And while the computing division is still relevant and Mac Os X remains the jewel in the whole crown/strategy...the 'critical mass' isn't behind traditional Macs. It's behind iPhone/iPod touch.
The future belongs to the computing equivalent of Mammals. The 'gadjet/electronic' devices. Computers as we've known them are increasingly looking like the equivalent of the Dinosaurs.
And that's coming from a guy who still wants Apple to make a mid-tower.
I actually see tablets generating a move back to the desktop machine. Many people really don't need a laptop for their mobile needs thus a tablet would be a better solution
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I'd happily trade what I want for Apple to win this time.
I've seen this example several times from several people and for the life of me can't understand why you would even want to attempt that. Really the screen would be in the wrong orientation and you would most likely not want to be carrying it around when giving a presentation.
Have you thought about the ergonomics of trying to use a tablet in this sort of situation? About the only way I could see it being useful is in trying to emulate an overhead projector where you can annotate on screen live. In any event enlighten me as to why this seems to be a point of contention, because I don't really get it.
Dave
You did not get it. Make the presentation on your Mac, save it to the pocketable device (as light and small as possible), go to the lecture room, meeting room, etc, connect the pocketable device to the video projector via de video-out port and use a wireless remote like the Keyspan-by-Tripp Lite (USB 2 based) for the presentation. In other words, just like with a laptop, but much lighter and smaller, because even the MacBook Air is too heavy and too large. The small pocketable and light device is not to work on it but to carry it for the presentation, behaving as a full Mac for that purpose.
As I said earlier, I'm firmly in the "maybe" camp.
One of the big problem with the iTablet is that not everyone wants the same feature set. I'm wondering if they'll release two tablets, one with the features of an iPhone the other of the iPod Touch. I'm also wondering if the iTablet takes off, Apple might release a smaller model with a 5 - 8" screen.
I feel, with the long legacy of chunky lego brick tablets from the windows side of town we can expect an Apple 'tablet' to simply 'blow us away.'
10 inches. I think that's about right. And the rumours seem to be leaning that way...
7 inches? Squinting at Multimedia slightly less than on an iPhone/pod. Erm. 10 inchers is more comfortable for viewing, reading multimedia and is close to the size of print media that people consume re: magazines, comics, newspapers. It's a size that fits in with most people's reading experience? Roughly A4 in size? Give or take. I don't think this is a device for a pocket. It's bigger than that. This is a 'sofa' browser/bed browser/work browser...so it has to be at a comfortable size to avoid eyestrain with prolonged use. It's far easier to port alot of print media to this size I'd imagine. ie while we transition from paper media to digital paper over the next ten years? As we lose traditional notions of what size tablets (care of traditional print media...) 'should' be...
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Anything is possible.
Sadly I don't think that way. For me portability is an absolute must.
Actually that isn't the case. If you do the math you will find that the number of pixels increases dramatically with a 7 inch screen.
Depends upon the experience you are drawing upon. A seven inch screen puts it into the class of paperback book size. A size found handy for carrying around. Like wise a good size for many E-Books.
Well it depends again upon the devices size but it wouldn't be any worst than stuffing a paper back book in a big pocket if it was 7" size.
A standard DVD case can just fit a 10" screen, and I can fit one of those in the back pocket of my jeans...
The multiple rumors of Apple ordering a whole lot of 10"(+) screens would point towards an initial tablet release in that size range, especially since Apple makes absolutely nothing that utilizes a 10" screen at this time..
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon.
I could see Apple offering different screen sizes in the future? But for now...I think 10 inches seems to make the most sense all things considered.
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Why wait for the future? Apple doesn't sell one size of iPod or one Mac Portable.
They don't NOW, but they did initially... You gotta get the buying public onboard with the first version of a product before offering derivatives...
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon.
I feel this product is just an evolution of the iPhone...at a larger size. Though with a bigger screen size...I'd expect an expansion of the multi-touch vocabulary...gestures...and more use of Core Animation than ever before?
The notion of Apple TV, iPhone and 'Slate' all having iPhone OS makes perfect sense to me. In a computing future of 'small/portable/on the go/casual/electronic' devices...a bloated OS is not going to appear on such nimble device...which is going to use low power components for battery life. People wishing for a full blow OS X? I'm not sure you're going to get it. I don't think it's necessary. Leopard went on a crash diet to become Snow Leopard. But I'd still be surprised if that made the cut.
The iPhone/touch platform has 85000 apps and counting. A number to dwarf all Mac apps since it's creation. A slate tablet running iPhone OS will add to that. Apple TV is no dud. Get it running on OS iPhone will add to its momentum. Imagine being able to download Apps right to your tv? Games...etc for a mere quid each. It's a value proposition. And I'm surprised Apple isn't there with the games side of it...or int' the App store. It seems like the natural synergy with iPhone. iPHone as a remote to control A.TV and using iPHone as a 'controller' for the games. It's a two for one offer. Sooner or later, surely? Similarly, a 'slate' would make a nice 'intimate' companion for a.tv also.
I think that's the future...as far as mainstream Apple is concerned. That would be some momentum...and I think Apple recognises the considerable 'gap' they've opened up over traditional computing Behemoths like M$, Dell, HP and rucking RIM, Nokia etc in the process. This is a chance to 'win' the next great computing age. The '3rd' great age. And I don't think Apple will jeopardise that by hobbling it with legacy barnacle code and weighing a tablet down with people who want to run Photoshop on it. With the gold mine that is the App store and the new development environment that goes with it...I'd expect a stripped down approach to bring fresh new apps, new competition, quicker...with innovation that will upset the old software cartels. This is a chance to unseat the Adobes/M$s in the new computing era. See Adobe's struggle with flash on the iPhone. And where is M$? I think that's a sign of things to come as we 'transition' to truly mobile computing. There'll be a place for Macs and they'll get good kick back from the holy trinity of iPhone/pod touch- Apple TV - Slate.
They're transitioning to a consumer electronics company. Arguable the 'new' Sony. Anybody who doesn't realise that hasn't been paying attention for the last 10 years. Apple now longer makes 'just beige' towers that cost too much. They've come a long way. And while the computing division is still relevant and Mac Os X remains the jewel in the whole crown/strategy...the 'critical mass' isn't behind traditional Macs. It's behind iPhone/iPod touch.
The future belongs to the computing equivalent of Mammals. The 'gadjet/electronic' devices. Computers as we've known them are increasingly looking like the equivalent of the Dinosaurs.
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I actually see tablets generating a move back to the desktop machine. Many people really don't need a laptop for their mobile needs thus a tablet would be a better solution.
Towards the movement away from laptops and returning to desktop machines, with tablets fulfilling the mobile role; I reference this old thread (of mine), which wizard69 has replied to in the past...
With the patents Apple has applied for covering insertion of a tablet-like device into an iMac-like device; I could see the iMac-like device actually being more akin to the current 24" LED Cinema Display (monitor, iSight/mic, speakers & USB ports), with the actual 'heavy lifting' being done by an Apple home server... This would allow multiple users to log onto a multi-user aware machine (AT THE SAME TIME) like the SGI machines (read UNIX) of old...
And if you REALLY think about it, between the iPhone & the forthcoming Apple tablet (I vote for the name MacTouch), and my thoughts towards an Apple home server doing all the actual work for multiple congruent users, a lot of what kormac77 posted on could actually be coming to fruition (...pun VERY much intended)...!
You did not get it. Make the presentation on your Mac, save it to the pocketable device (as light and small as possible), go to the lecture room, meeting room, etc, connect the pocketable device to the video projector via de video-out port and use a wireless remote like the Keyspan-by-Tripp Lite (USB 2 based) for the presentation.
wow long sentence!
This makes some sense if the device is extremely small. The problem is none of the rumors seem to indicate such. That is it seems like the device will be bigger than some netbooks.
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In other words, just like with a laptop, but much lighter and smaller, because even the MacBook Air is too heavy and too large. The small pocketable and light device is not to work on it but to carry it for the presentation, behaving as a full Mac for that purpose.
Yeah I understand what you are saying. The problem is I've sat through multiple presentations and non are so polished that the laptop isn't constantly referenced by the presenter. Maybe some can can a presentation and deliver it from start to finish but that isn't what I've seen.
Now what might work is a small tablet that can be handheld and deliver the presentation to a projector over WiFi. I could see something like that working with a fast WiFi connection and no video. Well that and a fat battery.
As I said earlier, I'm firmly in the "maybe" camp.
Yeah, I'm not sure how anybody can say they would buy something like this tablet without seeing it. Like I've said in the past Apple is free to screw up the tablet in ways only Apple can.
On the otherhand this year has introduced some very well engineered machines. So let's hope the development train is still on the tracks.
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One of the big problem with the iTablet is that not everyone wants the same feature set.
Big - no huge. The problem is if Apple only plans on a tablet of one size, a large segment of the people interested right now will say screw it. One size doesn't fit all.
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I'm wondering if they'll release two tablets, one with the features of an iPhone the other of the iPod Touch. I'm also wondering if the iTablet takes off, Apple might release a smaller model with a 5 - 8" screen.
Well I'd like them too! The smaller size would be huge for the handheld gaming market. I'm still a big fan of this size for the E-Book market.
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First quarter next year ought to be interesting.
Yep. I'm expecting new MBP early in the new year too.
Yeah, I'm not sure how anybody can say they would buy something like this tablet without seeing it.
Okay... perhaps you missed the few times above where I specifically mentioned...
"Assuming the tablet is whatever you imagined it would be"
The entire point of this poll wasn't to see who WOULD or WOULD NOT buy a table in as much as this: If the tablet was **exactly** (or close to it) what you had hoped for would you STILL buy it if it meant you'd have to lock in with a cellular provider.
And remarkably somewhere UNDER 10% are saying yes. This poll hasn't seen as many votes as I would have liked and perhaps that too is somewhat telling about the success of the tablet. The lack of turnout could be a clear sign that 'a tablet' without Apples distinct flair for what's possible would indeed be a tough sell.
Which as it turns out, is exactly what the other tablet offerings have shown us to date.
The entire point of this poll wasn't to see who WOULD or WOULD NOT buy a table in as much as this: If the tablet was **exactly** (or close to it) what you had hoped for would you STILL buy it if it meant you'd have to lock in with a cellular provider.
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Nonsense. That may be your point [now], but that is not how you worded your poll. To the contrary, most of the objections to the tablet stem from the fact that people have no idea what it will be or which problems it will solve.
Nonsense. That may be your point [now], but that is not how you worded your poll. To the contrary, most of the objections to the tablet stem from the fact that people have no idea what it will be or which problems it will solve.
OMG what a set balls you've got!
YOU telling ME what I intended to find out with my poll?!?!
Look 8 posts down:
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Well for those on the fence but still want to vote... lets make the assumption that the tablet was 'about' what you'd expect it to be without any 'OMG THAT IS SO COOL I'LL BUY IT NO QUESTIONS ASKED' type surprises."
and more importantly look at the FREAKIN questions?
Did I post things like:
- would you buy a <8" tablet?
- would you buy a 8-10" tablet?
- would you buy a 3G only wifi?
- would you buy a tablet only if it could fit in you're pocket?
NO I DIDN'T
My question was:
Would you buy an Apple Tablet?
A - Yes provided I'm not forced into a cellular contract
B - Yes even if its locked into a cellular carrier
C - No
D - Maybe (added later by mod)
NOW read those questions and lets ask ourselves ... What specific information does the person who posted this poll really want to find out.
ANSWER: If people would buy a tablet (that was their vision of a tablet) if you needed to sign up with a cellular carrier in order to do so.
If I *only* wanted to know if you'd by a tablet I would have had YES & NO & MAYBE
If I wanted to know what features my answers would have had various permutations the tablet might ship in.
If I wanted to know if you'd buy a table but only if you could view the porn sites without getting busted ... THEN I WOULD HAVE ASKED THAT!
I had 2 YES answers #1 YES PROVIDED NO CARRIER and #2 YES CARRIER NOT A PROBLEM
This is key. You didn't say anything along the lines of "assuming the tablet is what you want it to be" until 8 posts in to the thread. If that was always your intention, you structured the poll poorly. I see you have now edited your original post with a snarky remark about people not reading threads. You should bear in mind that the usual thing to do with polls is to vote first, then read the thread.
In further defence of Mr. Me (not an alter ego ) there is ample evidence that "people should assume the tablet would be pretty much what they want" was not your original intent, because what happened was this:
You created the poll.
A couple of posts into the thread someone said "hey, there should be a 'maybe' option."
Then you said "Yea [sic] I see your point... and I just tried it but once the poll is posted you can't add or change the questions...
Well for those on the fence but still want to vote... lets make the assumption that the tablet was 'about' what you'd expect it to be."
I KNOW WHAT PROMPTED ME TO POST THIS POLL and I'm so sorry if it offends someone but NOBODY else could possibly know better than me and going out of your way to TELL ME that they know better than me WHAT my intention was when I posted this POLL is just pain ballsy.
Just answer this simple question:
Read the poll posted below and tell me what information he is trying to ascertain.
Would you buy an Apple tablet?
A - Yes provided I'm not forced into a cellular contract
B - Yes even if its locked into a cellular carrier
C - No
D - Maybe
Did the poster want to know:
A - If people would react negatively to a product that required a cellular contract?
B - To some how figure out "what it will be or which problems it will solve" (Mr. Me's words as best I can form them into a poll oriented answer)
If you really want to go on believing that Mr. Me knows better than I what I was thinking and what I wanted to find out from this poll then I'm not going to try and convince you any further but the fact that even have to type this post is quite comical. Somehow I give people more credit than I should.
You clearly know better than I what my mind set was when I posted this poll...
Dave, how about you respond to the points I actually made rather than just repeating yourself. I heard you the first time.
When I saw the poll, which you called "Would you buy an Apple Tablet?" with no extra qualification on the question, my immediate thought was "well, that depends on what the Apple Tablet actually turns out to be, doesn't it" and when I saw the poll choices that immediately implied to me that you had assumed the Apple Tablet would have 3G wireless.
Dave, how about you respond to the points I actually made rather than just repeating yourself. I heard you the first time.
When I saw the poll, which you called "Would you buy an Apple Tablet?" with no extra qualification on the question, my immediate thought was "well, that depends on what the Apple Tablet actually turns out to be, doesn't it" and when I saw the poll choices that immediately implied to me that you had assumed the Apple Tablet would have 3G wireless.
Okay my bad...
My poll should have read:
Q: Assuming the Apple tablet is 'close to' what you'd envisioned, would you buy the table if:
Okay I admit that...
But the post that started this was Mr. Me who replied to my comment about what my polls INTENTION WAS - his comment to me was NONSENSE in other words NO Dave you're not correct you're intention was NOT what you said it was.
Now in my defense, a simply reading the answers included in my poll any upper grade school child could say with a great degree of certainty that the polls main intent was to find out how many people would buy the tablet with it being locked to a cellular contract and how many would only buy it if it was free from cellular contracts.
I mean come on... if we can't agree on that then close and lock this post cause it's not worth it if I have to go out of my way to convince people what I was thinking when I posted the poll.
No, cause I didn't see it yet. Ask me again when I see it.
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Yea I see your point... and I just tried it but once the poll is posted you can't add or change the questions...
Well for those on the fence but still want to vote... lets make the assumption that the tablet was 'about' what you'd expect it to be without any 'OMG THAT IS SO COOL I'LL BUY IT NO QUESTIONS ASKED' type surprises.
Oh and I shoulda thought it tru a little more cause these questions would have made for interesting results.
- Yes even if the carrier was someone other than AT&T (for US buyers).
Imagine if the tablet is announced and it's a VERIZON exclusive!?!?!
Cause that would be the cruelest trick of em all, however something I would not be shocked at.
And since you went back to the other threads lets look at what they are saying....
Ireland - No, cause I didn't see it yet. Ask me again when I see it.
Me - Yea I see your point... and I just tried it but once the poll is posted you can't add or change the questions... Well for those on the fence but still want to vote... lets make the assumption that the tablet was 'about' what you'd expect it to be without any 'OMG THAT IS SO COOL I'LL BUY IT NO QUESTIONS ASKED' type surprises.
Now where in those posts did I indicate that adding a MAYBE was what I wanted to do... You were the one who too it upon yourself to add a Maybe to my poll questions... and since you went out of you're way I did the polite thing and said TYVM... but it was never my intention to have a MAYBE as an answer that was all you're doing.
edit: thread answered questions about the poll results.
Contrary to what other more knowledgeable people might think this poll was really intend for those people who were SURE they'd buy and Apple Tablet (if it lived up to their vision).
Come on we all read the forums... Some people are Tablet I have NO USE FOR IT, some people are Tablet where!?!?!? where?!?!? where?!?!? and do you need cash or is a credit card OKAY? (this is my camp btw) and finally, some people are ... I gotta see it before I make my judgement.
This poll was really intended for those 'tablet maniacs' (self included) who were dreaming for so long about an Apple tablet that they knew as soon as one came out and it didn't fall short in some critical departments they'd be buying one.
I guess I should started off the 1st post with those words but oh well...
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Yes, provided it has Intel Atom inside and not ARM, to run Apple Keynote and PowerPoint for presentations via video-out port.
I've seen this example several times from several people and for the life of me can't understand why you would even want to attempt that. Really the screen would be in the wrong orientation and you would most likely not want to be carrying it around when giving a presentation.
Have you thought about the ergonomics of trying to use a tablet in this sort of situation? About the only way I could see it being useful is in trying to emulate an overhead projector where you can annotate on screen live. In any event enlighten me as to why this seems to be a point of contention, because I don't really get it.
Dave
I feel, with the long legacy of chunky lego brick tablets from the windows side of town we can expect an Apple 'tablet' to simply 'blow us away.'
Anything is possible.
10 inches. I think that's about right. And the rumours seem to be leaning that way...
Sadly I don't think that way. For me portability is an absolute must.
7 inches? Squinting at Multimedia slightly less than on an iPhone/pod. Erm.
Actually that isn't the case. If you do the math you will find that the number of pixels increases dramatically with a 7 inch screen.
10 inchers is more comfortable for viewing, reading multimedia and is close to the size of print media that people consume re: magazines, comics, newspapers. It's a size that fits in with most people's reading experience? Roughly A4 in size? Give or take.
Depends upon the experience you are drawing upon. A seven inch screen puts it into the class of paperback book size. A size found handy for carrying around. Like wise a good size for many E-Books.
I don't think this is a device for a pocket. It's bigger than that. This is a 'sofa' browser/bed browser/work browser...so it has to be at a comfortable size to avoid eyestrain with prolonged use. It's far easier to port alot of print media to this size I'd imagine.
Well it depends again upon the devices size but it wouldn't be any worst than stuffing a paper back book in a big pocket if it was 7" size.
As to a bed browser, one woman I know purchased a netbook specifically for that. The trouble with that usage is that the tablet would not be able to support itself the way a netbook supports its screen.
ie while we transition from paper media to digital paper over the next ten years? As we lose traditional notions of what size tablets (care of traditional print media...) 'should' be...I could see Apple offering different screen sizes in the future? But for now...I think 10 inches seems to make the most sense all things considered.
Why wait for the future? Apple doesn't sell one size of iPod or one Mac Portable.
Folding device? Screen? Not sure it's very Apple, design wise.
Could be very Apple if it is a one piece OLED screen that has no seam down the bend line.
It' nearly November. And I feel, in my waters
Yes that is my feeling too. Considering the holidays those 9 weeks go fast.
I feel this product is just an evolution of the iPhone...at a larger size. Though with a bigger screen size...I'd expect an expansion of the multi-touch vocabulary...gestures...and more use of Core Animation than ever before?
Exactly and is why I always try to impress that he OS will be "derived" from iPhone.
The notion of Apple TV, iPhone and 'Slate' all having iPhone OS makes perfect sense to me. In a computing future of 'small/portable/on the go/casual/electronic' devices...a bloated OS is not going to appear on such nimble device...which is going to use low power components for battery life. People wishing for a full blow OS X? I'm not sure you're going to get it. I don't think it's necessary. Leopard went on a crash diet to become Snow Leopard. But I'd still be surprised if that made the cut.
The other issue is ARM. It is in Apples best interest to keep the ARM derived machines running one stream of applications and the X86 hardware another. It simply reduces consumer confusion.
The iPhone/touch platform has 85000 apps and counting. A number to dwarf all Mac apps since it's creation. A slate tablet running iPhone OS will add to that. Apple TV is no dud. Get it running on OS iPhone will add to its momentum. Imagine being able to download Apps right to your tv? Games...etc for a mere quid each. It's a value proposition. And I'm surprised Apple isn't there with the games side of it...or int' the App store. It seems like the natural synergy with iPhone. iPHone as a remote to control A.TV and using iPHone as a 'controller' for the games. It's a two for one offer. Sooner or later, surely? Similarly, a 'slate' would make a nice 'intimate' companion for a.tv also.
I'm begining to wonder if Apple is thinking smart when it comes to Apple TV. It really needs to move to iPhone OS and that app stream real quick.
I think that's the future...as far as mainstream Apple is concerned. That would be some momentum...and I think Apple recognises the considerable 'gap' they've opened up over traditional computing Behemoths like M$, Dell, HP and rucking RIM, Nokia etc in the process. This is a chance to 'win' the next great computing age. The '3rd' great age. And I don't think Apple will jeopardise that by hobbling it with legacy barnacle code and weighing a tablet down with people who want to run Photoshop on it. With the gold mine that is the App store and the new development environment that goes with it...I'd expect a stripped down approach to bring fresh new apps, new competition, quicker...with innovation that will upset the old software cartels. This is a chance to unseat the Adobes/M$s in the new computing era. See Adobe's struggle with flash on the iPhone. And where is M$? I think that's a sign of things to come as we 'transition' to truly mobile computing. There'll be a place for Macs and they'll get good kick back from the holy trinity of iPhone/pod touch- Apple TV - Slate.
They're transitioning to a consumer electronics company. Arguable the 'new' Sony. Anybody who doesn't realise that hasn't been paying attention for the last 10 years. Apple now longer makes 'just beige' towers that cost too much.
The future belongs to the computing equivalent of Mammals. The 'gadjet/electronic' devices. Computers as we've known them are increasingly looking like the equivalent of the Dinosaurs.
And that's coming from a guy who still wants Apple to make a mid-tower.
I actually see tablets generating a move back to the desktop machine. Many people really don't need a laptop for their mobile needs thus a tablet would be a better solution
I'd happily trade what I want for Apple to win this time.
Lemon Bon Bon.
Best of luck.
I've seen this example several times from several people and for the life of me can't understand why you would even want to attempt that. Really the screen would be in the wrong orientation and you would most likely not want to be carrying it around when giving a presentation.
Have you thought about the ergonomics of trying to use a tablet in this sort of situation? About the only way I could see it being useful is in trying to emulate an overhead projector where you can annotate on screen live. In any event enlighten me as to why this seems to be a point of contention, because I don't really get it.
Dave
You did not get it. Make the presentation on your Mac, save it to the pocketable device (as light and small as possible), go to the lecture room, meeting room, etc, connect the pocketable device to the video projector via de video-out port and use a wireless remote like the Keyspan-by-Tripp Lite (USB 2 based) for the presentation. In other words, just like with a laptop, but much lighter and smaller, because even the MacBook Air is too heavy and too large. The small pocketable and light device is not to work on it but to carry it for the presentation, behaving as a full Mac for that purpose.
One of the big problem with the iTablet is that not everyone wants the same feature set. I'm wondering if they'll release two tablets, one with the features of an iPhone the other of the iPod Touch. I'm also wondering if the iTablet takes off, Apple might release a smaller model with a 5 - 8" screen.
First quarter next year ought to be interesting.
I feel, with the long legacy of chunky lego brick tablets from the windows side of town we can expect an Apple 'tablet' to simply 'blow us away.'
10 inches. I think that's about right. And the rumours seem to be leaning that way...
7 inches? Squinting at Multimedia slightly less than on an iPhone/pod. Erm. 10 inchers is more comfortable for viewing, reading multimedia and is close to the size of print media that people consume re: magazines, comics, newspapers. It's a size that fits in with most people's reading experience? Roughly A4 in size? Give or take. I don't think this is a device for a pocket. It's bigger than that. This is a 'sofa' browser/bed browser/work browser...so it has to be at a comfortable size to avoid eyestrain with prolonged use. It's far easier to port alot of print media to this size I'd imagine. ie while we transition from paper media to digital paper over the next ten years? As we lose traditional notions of what size tablets (care of traditional print media...) 'should' be...
Anything is possible.
Sadly I don't think that way. For me portability is an absolute must.
Actually that isn't the case. If you do the math you will find that the number of pixels increases dramatically with a 7 inch screen.
Depends upon the experience you are drawing upon. A seven inch screen puts it into the class of paperback book size. A size found handy for carrying around. Like wise a good size for many E-Books.
Well it depends again upon the devices size but it wouldn't be any worst than stuffing a paper back book in a big pocket if it was 7" size.
A standard DVD case can just fit a 10" screen, and I can fit one of those in the back pocket of my jeans...
The multiple rumors of Apple ordering a whole lot of 10"(+) screens would point towards an initial tablet release in that size range, especially since Apple makes absolutely nothing that utilizes a 10" screen at this time..
I could see Apple offering different screen sizes in the future? But for now...I think 10 inches seems to make the most sense all things considered.
Why wait for the future? Apple doesn't sell one size of iPod or one Mac Portable.
They don't NOW, but they did initially... You gotta get the buying public onboard with the first version of a product before offering derivatives...
I feel this product is just an evolution of the iPhone...at a larger size. Though with a bigger screen size...I'd expect an expansion of the multi-touch vocabulary...gestures...and more use of Core Animation than ever before?
The notion of Apple TV, iPhone and 'Slate' all having iPhone OS makes perfect sense to me. In a computing future of 'small/portable/on the go/casual/electronic' devices...a bloated OS is not going to appear on such nimble device...which is going to use low power components for battery life. People wishing for a full blow OS X? I'm not sure you're going to get it. I don't think it's necessary. Leopard went on a crash diet to become Snow Leopard. But I'd still be surprised if that made the cut.
The iPhone/touch platform has 85000 apps and counting. A number to dwarf all Mac apps since it's creation. A slate tablet running iPhone OS will add to that. Apple TV is no dud. Get it running on OS iPhone will add to its momentum. Imagine being able to download Apps right to your tv? Games...etc for a mere quid each. It's a value proposition. And I'm surprised Apple isn't there with the games side of it...or int' the App store. It seems like the natural synergy with iPhone. iPHone as a remote to control A.TV and using iPHone as a 'controller' for the games. It's a two for one offer. Sooner or later, surely? Similarly, a 'slate' would make a nice 'intimate' companion for a.tv also.
I think that's the future...as far as mainstream Apple is concerned. That would be some momentum...and I think Apple recognises the considerable 'gap' they've opened up over traditional computing Behemoths like M$, Dell, HP and rucking RIM, Nokia etc in the process. This is a chance to 'win' the next great computing age. The '3rd' great age. And I don't think Apple will jeopardise that by hobbling it with legacy barnacle code and weighing a tablet down with people who want to run Photoshop on it. With the gold mine that is the App store and the new development environment that goes with it...I'd expect a stripped down approach to bring fresh new apps, new competition, quicker...with innovation that will upset the old software cartels. This is a chance to unseat the Adobes/M$s in the new computing era. See Adobe's struggle with flash on the iPhone. And where is M$? I think that's a sign of things to come as we 'transition' to truly mobile computing. There'll be a place for Macs and they'll get good kick back from the holy trinity of iPhone/pod touch- Apple TV - Slate.
They're transitioning to a consumer electronics company. Arguable the 'new' Sony. Anybody who doesn't realise that hasn't been paying attention for the last 10 years. Apple now longer makes 'just beige' towers that cost too much.
The future belongs to the computing equivalent of Mammals. The 'gadjet/electronic' devices. Computers as we've known them are increasingly looking like the equivalent of the Dinosaurs.
I actually see tablets generating a move back to the desktop machine. Many people really don't need a laptop for their mobile needs thus a tablet would be a better solution.
Towards the movement away from laptops and returning to desktop machines, with tablets fulfilling the mobile role; I reference this old thread (of mine), which wizard69 has replied to in the past...
The return of front-end thin clients & back-end heavy iron…!
With the patents Apple has applied for covering insertion of a tablet-like device into an iMac-like device; I could see the iMac-like device actually being more akin to the current 24" LED Cinema Display (monitor, iSight/mic, speakers & USB ports), with the actual 'heavy lifting' being done by an Apple home server... This would allow multiple users to log onto a multi-user aware machine (AT THE SAME TIME) like the SGI machines (read UNIX) of old...
And if you REALLY think about it, between the iPhone & the forthcoming Apple tablet (I vote for the name MacTouch), and my thoughts towards an Apple home server doing all the actual work for multiple congruent users, a lot of what kormac77 posted on could actually be coming to fruition (...pun VERY much intended)...!
You did not get it. Make the presentation on your Mac, save it to the pocketable device (as light and small as possible), go to the lecture room, meeting room, etc, connect the pocketable device to the video projector via de video-out port and use a wireless remote like the Keyspan-by-Tripp Lite (USB 2 based) for the presentation.
wow long sentence!
This makes some sense if the device is extremely small. The problem is none of the rumors seem to indicate such. That is it seems like the device will be bigger than some netbooks.
In other words, just like with a laptop, but much lighter and smaller, because even the MacBook Air is too heavy and too large. The small pocketable and light device is not to work on it but to carry it for the presentation, behaving as a full Mac for that purpose.
Yeah I understand what you are saying. The problem is I've sat through multiple presentations and non are so polished that the laptop isn't constantly referenced by the presenter. Maybe some can can a presentation and deliver it from start to finish but that isn't what I've seen.
Now what might work is a small tablet that can be handheld and deliver the presentation to a projector over WiFi. I could see something like that working with a fast WiFi connection and no video. Well that and a fat battery.
Dave
As I said earlier, I'm firmly in the "maybe" camp.
Yeah, I'm not sure how anybody can say they would buy something like this tablet without seeing it. Like I've said in the past Apple is free to screw up the tablet in ways only Apple can.
On the otherhand this year has introduced some very well engineered machines. So let's hope the development train is still on the tracks.
One of the big problem with the iTablet is that not everyone wants the same feature set.
Big - no huge. The problem is if Apple only plans on a tablet of one size, a large segment of the people interested right now will say screw it. One size doesn't fit all.
I'm wondering if they'll release two tablets, one with the features of an iPhone the other of the iPod Touch. I'm also wondering if the iTablet takes off, Apple might release a smaller model with a 5 - 8" screen.
Well I'd like them too! The smaller size would be huge for the handheld gaming market. I'm still a big fan of this size for the E-Book market.
First quarter next year ought to be interesting.
Yep. I'm expecting new MBP early in the new year too.
Dave
Yeah, I'm not sure how anybody can say they would buy something like this tablet without seeing it.
Okay... perhaps you missed the few times above where I specifically mentioned...
"Assuming the tablet is whatever you imagined it would be"
The entire point of this poll wasn't to see who WOULD or WOULD NOT buy a table in as much as this: If the tablet was **exactly** (or close to it) what you had hoped for would you STILL buy it if it meant you'd have to lock in with a cellular provider.
And remarkably somewhere UNDER 10% are saying yes. This poll hasn't seen as many votes as I would have liked and perhaps that too is somewhat telling about the success of the tablet. The lack of turnout could be a clear sign that 'a tablet' without Apples distinct flair for what's possible would indeed be a tough sell.
Which as it turns out, is exactly what the other tablet offerings have shown us to date.
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The entire point of this poll wasn't to see who WOULD or WOULD NOT buy a table in as much as this: If the tablet was **exactly** (or close to it) what you had hoped for would you STILL buy it if it meant you'd have to lock in with a cellular provider.
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Nonsense. That may be your point [now], but that is not how you worded your poll. To the contrary, most of the objections to the tablet stem from the fact that people have no idea what it will be or which problems it will solve.
Nonsense. That may be your point [now], but that is not how you worded your poll. To the contrary, most of the objections to the tablet stem from the fact that people have no idea what it will be or which problems it will solve.
OMG what a set balls you've got!
YOU telling ME what I intended to find out with my poll?!?!
Look 8 posts down:
Well for those on the fence but still want to vote... lets make the assumption that the tablet was 'about' what you'd expect it to be without any 'OMG THAT IS SO COOL I'LL BUY IT NO QUESTIONS ASKED' type surprises."
and more importantly look at the FREAKIN questions?
Did I post things like:
- would you buy a <8" tablet?
- would you buy a 8-10" tablet?
- would you buy a 3G only wifi?
- would you buy a tablet only if it could fit in you're pocket?
NO I DIDN'T
My question was:
Would you buy an Apple Tablet?
A - Yes provided I'm not forced into a cellular contract
B - Yes even if its locked into a cellular carrier
C - No
D - Maybe (added later by mod)
NOW read those questions and lets ask ourselves ... What specific information does the person who posted this poll really want to find out.
ANSWER: If people would buy a tablet (that was their vision of a tablet) if you needed to sign up with a cellular carrier in order to do so.
If I *only* wanted to know if you'd by a tablet I would have had YES & NO & MAYBE
If I wanted to know what features my answers would have had various permutations the tablet might ship in.
If I wanted to know if you'd buy a table but only if you could view the porn sites without getting busted ... THEN I WOULD HAVE ASKED THAT!
I had 2 YES answers #1 YES PROVIDED NO CARRIER and #2 YES CARRIER NOT A PROBLEM
Telling ME what I intended... thats a good one...
Look 8 posts down:
This is key. You didn't say anything along the lines of "assuming the tablet is what you want it to be" until 8 posts in to the thread. If that was always your intention, you structured the poll poorly. I see you have now edited your original post with a snarky remark about people not reading threads. You should bear in mind that the usual thing to do with polls is to vote first, then read the thread.
In further defence of Mr. Me (not an alter ego
Well for those on the fence but still want to vote... lets make the assumption that the tablet was 'about' what you'd expect it to be."
I KNOW WHAT PROMPTED ME TO POST THIS POLL and I'm so sorry if it offends someone but NOBODY else could possibly know better than me and going out of your way to TELL ME that they know better than me WHAT my intention was when I posted this POLL is just pain ballsy.
Just answer this simple question:
Read the poll posted below and tell me what information he is trying to ascertain.
Would you buy an Apple tablet?
A - Yes provided I'm not forced into a cellular contract
B - Yes even if its locked into a cellular carrier
C - No
D - Maybe
Did the poster want to know:
A - If people would react negatively to a product that required a cellular contract?
B - To some how figure out "what it will be or which problems it will solve" (Mr. Me's words as best I can form them into a poll oriented answer)
If you really want to go on believing that Mr. Me knows better than I what I was thinking and what I wanted to find out from this poll then I'm not going to try and convince you any further but the fact that even have to type this post is quite comical. Somehow I give people more credit than I should.
Okay...
You clearly know better than I what my mind set was when I posted this poll...
Dave, how about you respond to the points I actually made rather than just repeating yourself. I heard you the first time.
When I saw the poll, which you called "Would you buy an Apple Tablet?" with no extra qualification on the question, my immediate thought was "well, that depends on what the Apple Tablet actually turns out to be, doesn't it" and when I saw the poll choices that immediately implied to me that you had assumed the Apple Tablet would have 3G wireless.
Dave, how about you respond to the points I actually made rather than just repeating yourself. I heard you the first time.
When I saw the poll, which you called "Would you buy an Apple Tablet?" with no extra qualification on the question, my immediate thought was "well, that depends on what the Apple Tablet actually turns out to be, doesn't it" and when I saw the poll choices that immediately implied to me that you had assumed the Apple Tablet would have 3G wireless.
Okay my bad...
My poll should have read:
Q: Assuming the Apple tablet is 'close to' what you'd envisioned, would you buy the table if:
Okay I admit that...
But the post that started this was Mr. Me who replied to my comment about what my polls INTENTION WAS - his comment to me was NONSENSE in other words NO Dave you're not correct you're intention was NOT what you said it was.
Now in my defense, a simply reading the answers included in my poll any upper grade school child could say with a great degree of certainty that the polls main intent was to find out how many people would buy the tablet with it being locked to a cellular contract and how many would only buy it if it was free from cellular contracts.
I mean come on... if we can't agree on that then close and lock this post cause it's not worth it if I have to go out of my way to convince people what I was thinking when I posted the poll.
No, cause I didn't see it yet. Ask me again when I see it.
Yea I see your point... and I just tried it but once the poll is posted you can't add or change the questions...
Well for those on the fence but still want to vote... lets make the assumption that the tablet was 'about' what you'd expect it to be without any 'OMG THAT IS SO COOL I'LL BUY IT NO QUESTIONS ASKED' type surprises.
Oh and I shoulda thought it tru a little more cause these questions would have made for interesting results.
- Yes even if the carrier was someone other than AT&T (for US buyers).
Imagine if the tablet is announced and it's a VERIZON exclusive!?!?!
Cause that would be the cruelest trick of em all, however something I would not be shocked at.
And since you went back to the other threads lets look at what they are saying....
Ireland - No, cause I didn't see it yet. Ask me again when I see it.
Me - Yea I see your point... and I just tried it but once the poll is posted you can't add or change the questions... Well for those on the fence but still want to vote... lets make the assumption that the tablet was 'about' what you'd expect it to be without any 'OMG THAT IS SO COOL I'LL BUY IT NO QUESTIONS ASKED' type surprises.
Now where in those posts did I indicate that adding a MAYBE was what I wanted to do... You were the one who too it upon yourself to add a Maybe to my poll questions... and since you went out of you're way I did the polite thing and said TYVM... but it was never my intention to have a MAYBE as an answer that was all you're doing.
edit: thread answered questions about the poll results.
Contrary to what other more knowledgeable people might think this poll was really intend for those people who were SURE they'd buy and Apple Tablet (if it lived up to their vision).
Come on we all read the forums... Some people are Tablet I have NO USE FOR IT, some people are Tablet where!?!?!? where?!?!? where?!?!? and do you need cash or is a credit card OKAY? (this is my camp btw) and finally, some people are ... I gotta see it before I make my judgement.
This poll was really intended for those 'tablet maniacs' (self included) who were dreaming for so long about an Apple tablet that they knew as soon as one came out and it didn't fall short in some critical departments they'd be buying one.
I guess I should started off the 1st post with those words but oh well...
D
I voted no just for devilment!
Atta-boy Ireland! Shake that fist in the face of conformity!