That won't take much. Atom runs most things like molasses.
The Atom actually isn't too bad. I have a small box running CentOS (similar to Red Hat RHEL) and it's reasonably quick. Not as fast as a Mac Pro, or even that CentOS running in VMware Fusion there, but quite acceptable.
Several people on the Hackintosh community forums are saying compatibility was never actually broken -- speculating the original source simply had some other unrelated problem. I don't care that random blogs have been repeating this story but Wired reported it and they supposedly employee real journalists.
it was not only 10.6.2 but also 10.5.9 that apparently dropped support for ATOM. I wonder if they added this back to have hackintoshes updated to it then kill it. I know sounds stupid but Apple has been doing such insane things, twlight zone like things lately and SJ has completely lost it.
iTunes 9 is horrible can't believe that monstrosity even came from Apple, had to downgrade stat. Not to mention taking out composite/s-video capability in their macbooks. So because of itunes 9 i'm shut out of any new apple goodies. For the first time apple actually has force me out of thier camp and into actually considering buying windows machines to accomplish what i used to be able to do with macs. With Windows 7 the proposition is not so bad. Sorry Apple. I never thought after being a fanboy for 25 years that a day would come when i despise Apple and see them as prison wardens. Welcome to the Shawshank years at apple.
What bad press? Bad press about Apple making it more difficult for infringers to install OS X on unauthorized hardware?? [...]
The Atom issue had nothing to do with the hackintosh community - that is actually a minority of the minority Mac fan community on the ass end of the web.
1st of all : there are a few countries out there, where the bit of the unauthorized hardware is not valid. In quite a few european countries such a clause, which is part of the EULA, has to be communicated to the customer BEFORE he oens the packaging and thus forfeits his right for return. A law that actually makes sense. But then again, Apple continues to violate the European directive that imposes TWO as opposed to one year of warranty. But that is a different story.
2nd : I own and still operate the following fleet of computers, iBook 12", MacBook 1st gen 13", iMac 1st gen Intel 17" AND a MSI Wind U123 as hackintosh. Oh and an iPhone and about four iPods flying around the house.
For me the Wind does just what its supposed to do, serve as an email, web, note taking, social networking device, that weighs next to nothing, has five hours of battery and fits into every pocket. And given its low value is -to some extend- expendable if lost/stolen. But then again, contrary to the MacBooks, the Wind actually fits into a Hotel room safe, which is not always (<30%) the case for its expensive cousins
1st of all : there are a few countries out there, where the bit of the unauthorized hardware is not valid. In quite a few european countries such a clause, which is part of the EULA, has to be communicated to the customer BEFORE he oens the packaging and thus forfeits his right for return. A law that actually makes sense. But then again, Apple continues to violate the European directive that imposes TWO as opposed to one year of warranty. But that is a different story.
2nd : I own and still operate the following fleet of computers, iBook 12", MacBook 1st gen 13", iMac 1st gen Intel 17" AND a MSI Wind U123 as hackintosh. Oh and an iPhone and about four iPods flying around the house.
For me the Wind does just what its supposed to do, serve as an email, web, note taking, social networking device, that weighs next to nothing, has five hours of battery and fits into every pocket. And given its low value is -to some extend- expendable if lost/stolen. But then again, contrary to the MacBooks, the Wind actually fits into a Hotel room safe, which is not always (<30%) the case for its expensive cousins
And it is arse end of the world BTW
Ok. The "bad press", still . . . won't be. It makes no difference.
And I had no idea that "fits into a hotel room safe" was a big selling point, beyond something only anecdotally useful. If I stand my Macbook Pro on its side and open it up, it makes an excellent bookend. Should Apple be advertising that?
Even if it was intentional, I suspect Apple realized that anything they could do, the Hackintosh community can undo (with time). They're already in an arms race with regards to iPhone jailbreaking. They don't need to open another front. It just eats up limited programming resources that would be better used stomping bugs and improving features.
no way jose . apple will extend the rope for miles and miles
and then apple will cut
leaving the thieves and knaves spinning in the wind
apple will go after hacktoshes and disable there crappy machines
they will burn the ... sorry COD is making me nuts ,
What kills me is this "build" is more than a week old! While the Mac press was going on and on about this the build they are saying has the support was already out!
What ever...you guys need to verify things and not just feed off one another like lemmings.
This has truly been a Mac press fiasco!
hey for a first post you really blew it
kidding
but you are correct on the first article the whole forum ran straight off one cliff
and now the second article 100 percent refutes the first we see the whole board running the other way off a new cliff .
as for the press ? >>> with anything apple any news at all sells more stuff
Several people on the Hackintosh community forums are saying compatibility was never actually broken -- speculating the original source simply had some other unrelated problem. I don't care that random blogs have been repeating this story but Wired reported it and they supposedly employee real journalists.
these asswipes have there own >>> Hackintosh community forums<<<this is so low that i ....well i will say that
there a bunch of thieves
there the scum of the earth stealing from millions of apple and apple third party paid employee's
and if your name was not so scary i would have a bash at you joey .
i will celebrate the day apple fries of your hackmosh hard drives .
no way jose . apple will extend the rope for miles and miles
and then apple will cut
leaving the thieves and knaves spinning in the wind
apple will go after hacktoshes and disable there crappy machines
they will burn the ... sorry COD is making me nuts ,
I guess Apple fans need to get their talking points straight, are there a significant number of Hackintoshes or not? If it's not significant like some say, then it's not worth spending resources trying to break them, especially if there's a risk of collateral damage, causing problems for legit customers.
I guess Apple fans need to get their talking points straight, are there a significant number of Hackintoshes or not? If it's not significant like some say, then it's not worth spending resources trying to break them, especially if there's a risk of collateral damage, causing problems for legit customers.
Good question. But what would qualify as significant?
I guess Apple fans need to get their talking points straight, are there a significant number of Hackintoshes or not? If it's not significant like some say, then it's not worth spending resources trying to break them, especially if there's a risk of collateral damage, causing problems for legit customers.
I think if you were to compare to the number of Mac users today or even to the number of Mac users back at the Intel transition it would be insignificant, but that doesn?t really give figures. Then there is also the ability to attack the source successfully.
Apple can?t go after the OSx96 Project the same way it can go after Psystar. If they issued a cease and desist to tehir website, which doesn?t actually contain any of Apple?s copyrighted code, the best case scenario would be the site moving outside the US to a server that couldn?t be touched by Apple?s legal team.
Then there is the give and take effect of the hobbyists. I know of and have read more than a couple statements that people whose first Mac was a Hackintosh bought a real Mac as their next computer. The biggest problem with the OSx86 Project seems to be the creation of Psystar and I?m sure even that is not affect Apple as much as it needs to set precedence. The lawyers will have cost Apple more than Psystar could have possibly made.
Good question. But what would qualify as significant?
I really don't know, that is subjective. It would be nice to somehow see reputable estimates as to how common it is.
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these asswipes have there own >>> Hackintosh community forums<<<this is so low that i ....well i will say that
there a bunch of thieves
there the scum of the earth stealing from millions of apple and apple third party paid employee's
and if your name was not so scary i would have a bash at you joey .
i will celebrate the day apple fries of your hackmosh hard drives .
If you mean the loss of millions of dollars of business, then worrying about about hackintosh would be like quitting a paying job to make money picking up pennies at a recreational park. Millions just doesn't stack up to Apple's billions.
I can't help wondering if Apple is intentionally making it possible for people to Hackintosh low end PCs. I wonder if Apple views the Hackintosh community as a way to get more PC users into the Mac under the theory that their next laptops are more likely to be real Macs.
I can't help wondering if Apple is intentionally making it possible for people to Hackintosh low end PCs. I wonder if Apple views the Hackintosh community as a way to get more PC users into the Mac under the theory that their next laptops are more likely to be real Macs.
I think there is some truth to that. There are even some hardcore OSx86 coders that feel that Apple has been helping to some degree. Well, not hindering is a better term.
Nope, I'm willing to bet Apple just figured out a better method than disabling. Where as hackers would then enable with a hacked version of OS X and promote downloads instead of buying a legal copy of OS X and installing it that way.
I suspect Apple will instead alter OS X to the point that it will run like molasses on Atom processors with some new features, integrate existing ones to run in the background or something.
Get all those netbook babies to trade up to a real Mac.
What are you talking about? I'm willing to bet the most people who install mac on their netbook do have a "real mac". The reason they hack is because they want that same experience on a smaller platform, but the iphone is too small for them. I have a "real mac" a 15" unibody macbook pro, an iphone, and an airport extreme as well so Apple has plenty of my $. What I wanted was a mac I could take on a plane and do moderate typing on, onto which I could load SD cards from my cameras to handle my photographs and video as I traveled and that could watch a movie or two on a decently large screen, oh and something that would fit in my jacket pocket That's why I hackintoshed my Dell mini 9 which I've used now on 3 trips. I just got back from Oslo where I carried it in my jacket and could pull out at a cafe, no need to lug a bag with me. If Apple had a similar product available last spring I would have bought theirs. They didn't so Dell got my $.
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That won't take much. Atom runs most things like molasses.
That won't take much. Atom runs most things like molasses.
The Atom actually isn't too bad. I have a small box running CentOS (similar to Red Hat RHEL) and it's reasonably quick. Not as fast as a Mac Pro, or even that CentOS running in VMware Fusion there, but quite acceptable.
No molasses at all
iTunes 9 is horrible can't believe that monstrosity even came from Apple, had to downgrade stat. Not to mention taking out composite/s-video capability in their macbooks. So because of itunes 9 i'm shut out of any new apple goodies. For the first time apple actually has force me out of thier camp and into actually considering buying windows machines to accomplish what i used to be able to do with macs. With Windows 7 the proposition is not so bad. Sorry Apple. I never thought after being a fanboy for 25 years that a day would come when i despise Apple and see them as prison wardens. Welcome to the Shawshank years at apple.
What bad press? Bad press about Apple making it more difficult for infringers to install OS X on unauthorized hardware?? [...]
The Atom issue had nothing to do with the hackintosh community - that is actually a minority of the minority Mac fan community on the ass end of the web.
1st of all : there are a few countries out there, where the bit of the unauthorized hardware is not valid. In quite a few european countries such a clause, which is part of the EULA, has to be communicated to the customer BEFORE he oens the packaging and thus forfeits his right for return. A law that actually makes sense. But then again, Apple continues to violate the European directive that imposes TWO as opposed to one year of warranty. But that is a different story.
2nd : I own and still operate the following fleet of computers, iBook 12", MacBook 1st gen 13", iMac 1st gen Intel 17" AND a MSI Wind U123 as hackintosh. Oh and an iPhone and about four iPods flying around the house.
For me the Wind does just what its supposed to do, serve as an email, web, note taking, social networking device, that weighs next to nothing, has five hours of battery and fits into every pocket. And given its low value is -to some extend- expendable if lost/stolen. But then again, contrary to the MacBooks, the Wind actually fits into a Hotel room safe, which is not always (<30%) the case for its expensive cousins
And it is arse end of the world BTW
1st of all : there are a few countries out there, where the bit of the unauthorized hardware is not valid. In quite a few european countries such a clause, which is part of the EULA, has to be communicated to the customer BEFORE he oens the packaging and thus forfeits his right for return. A law that actually makes sense. But then again, Apple continues to violate the European directive that imposes TWO as opposed to one year of warranty. But that is a different story.
2nd : I own and still operate the following fleet of computers, iBook 12", MacBook 1st gen 13", iMac 1st gen Intel 17" AND a MSI Wind U123 as hackintosh. Oh and an iPhone and about four iPods flying around the house.
For me the Wind does just what its supposed to do, serve as an email, web, note taking, social networking device, that weighs next to nothing, has five hours of battery and fits into every pocket. And given its low value is -to some extend- expendable if lost/stolen. But then again, contrary to the MacBooks, the Wind actually fits into a Hotel room safe, which is not always (<30%) the case for its expensive cousins
And it is arse end of the world BTW
Ok. The "bad press", still . . . won't be. It makes no difference.
And I had no idea that "fits into a hotel room safe" was a big selling point, beyond something only anecdotally useful. If I stand my Macbook Pro on its side and open it up, it makes an excellent bookend. Should Apple be advertising that?
Even if it was intentional, I suspect Apple realized that anything they could do, the Hackintosh community can undo (with time). They're already in an arms race with regards to iPhone jailbreaking. They don't need to open another front. It just eats up limited programming resources that would be better used stomping bugs and improving features.
no way jose . apple will extend the rope for miles and miles
and then apple will cut
leaving the thieves and knaves spinning in the wind
apple will go after hacktoshes and disable there crappy machines
they will burn the ... sorry COD is making me nuts ,
Just the usual AppleInsider spreading FUD about INCOMPLETE beta versions of software.
and we crash and then apple knows what to fix
What kills me is this "build" is more than a week old! While the Mac press was going on and on about this the build they are saying has the support was already out!
What ever...you guys need to verify things and not just feed off one another like lemmings.
This has truly been a Mac press fiasco!
hey for a first post you really blew it
kidding
but you are correct on the first article the whole forum ran straight off one cliff
and now the second article 100 percent refutes the first we see the whole board running the other way off a new cliff .
as for the press ? >>> with anything apple any news at all sells more stuff
nature of rhe apple beast
here is a gift apple from me . <<< >>>
peace 9
Several people on the Hackintosh community forums are saying compatibility was never actually broken -- speculating the original source simply had some other unrelated problem. I don't care that random blogs have been repeating this story but Wired reported it and they supposedly employee real journalists.
these asswipes have there own >>> Hackintosh community forums<<<this is so low that i ....well i will say that
there a bunch of thieves
there the scum of the earth stealing from millions of apple and apple third party paid employee's
and if your name was not so scary i would have a bash at you joey .
i will celebrate the day apple fries of your hackmosh hard drives .
next
no way jose . apple will extend the rope for miles and miles
and then apple will cut
leaving the thieves and knaves spinning in the wind
apple will go after hacktoshes and disable there crappy machines
they will burn the ... sorry COD is making me nuts ,
I guess Apple fans need to get their talking points straight, are there a significant number of Hackintoshes or not? If it's not significant like some say, then it's not worth spending resources trying to break them, especially if there's a risk of collateral damage, causing problems for legit customers.
I guess Apple fans need to get their talking points straight, are there a significant number of Hackintoshes or not? If it's not significant like some say, then it's not worth spending resources trying to break them, especially if there's a risk of collateral damage, causing problems for legit customers.
Good question. But what would qualify as significant?
I guess Apple fans need to get their talking points straight, are there a significant number of Hackintoshes or not? If it's not significant like some say, then it's not worth spending resources trying to break them, especially if there's a risk of collateral damage, causing problems for legit customers.
I think if you were to compare to the number of Mac users today or even to the number of Mac users back at the Intel transition it would be insignificant, but that doesn?t really give figures. Then there is also the ability to attack the source successfully.
Apple can?t go after the OSx96 Project the same way it can go after Psystar. If they issued a cease and desist to tehir website, which doesn?t actually contain any of Apple?s copyrighted code, the best case scenario would be the site moving outside the US to a server that couldn?t be touched by Apple?s legal team.
Then there is the give and take effect of the hobbyists. I know of and have read more than a couple statements that people whose first Mac was a Hackintosh bought a real Mac as their next computer. The biggest problem with the OSx86 Project seems to be the creation of Psystar and I?m sure even that is not affect Apple as much as it needs to set precedence. The lawyers will have cost Apple more than Psystar could have possibly made.
I guess this means that the Tablet may be a full fledged computer capable of OS X!
Also, good news for the Hackintosh community too!
Good question. But what would qualify as significant?
I really don't know, that is subjective. It would be nice to somehow see reputable estimates as to how common it is.
these asswipes have there own >>> Hackintosh community forums<<<this is so low that i ....well i will say that
there a bunch of thieves
there the scum of the earth stealing from millions of apple and apple third party paid employee's
and if your name was not so scary i would have a bash at you joey .
i will celebrate the day apple fries of your hackmosh hard drives .
If you mean the loss of millions of dollars of business, then worrying about about hackintosh would be like quitting a paying job to make money picking up pennies at a recreational park. Millions just doesn't stack up to Apple's billions.
"Latest Snow Leopard build resurrects Atom compatibility.” That is build 10C540, which was released today, hence the follow up article.
Noted!
There is no Build 10C540 on the ADC site or the Internal Apple Employee sites so you must have this info, again, on high authority!
Yes, the highest authority? the Internet. Other sites are reporting differently?
I can't help wondering if Apple is intentionally making it possible for people to Hackintosh low end PCs. I wonder if Apple views the Hackintosh community as a way to get more PC users into the Mac under the theory that their next laptops are more likely to be real Macs.
I think there is some truth to that. There are even some hardcore OSx86 coders that feel that Apple has been helping to some degree. Well, not hindering is a better term.
Nope, I'm willing to bet Apple just figured out a better method than disabling. Where as hackers would then enable with a hacked version of OS X and promote downloads instead of buying a legal copy of OS X and installing it that way.
I suspect Apple will instead alter OS X to the point that it will run like molasses on Atom processors with some new features, integrate existing ones to run in the background or something.
Get all those netbook babies to trade up to a real Mac.
What are you talking about? I'm willing to bet the most people who install mac on their netbook do have a "real mac". The reason they hack is because they want that same experience on a smaller platform, but the iphone is too small for them. I have a "real mac" a 15" unibody macbook pro, an iphone, and an airport extreme as well so Apple has plenty of my $. What I wanted was a mac I could take on a plane and do moderate typing on, onto which I could load SD cards from my cameras to handle my photographs and video as I traveled and that could watch a movie or two on a decently large screen, oh and something that would fit in my jacket pocket That's why I hackintoshed my Dell mini 9 which I've used now on 3 trips. I just got back from Oslo where I carried it in my jacket and could pull out at a cafe, no need to lug a bag with me. If Apple had a similar product available last spring I would have bought theirs. They didn't so Dell got my $.