I didn't really have to look at the specs, but thanks. Apple despises cable clutter so I'm sure they wouldn't have intentionally gone with a cable standard (mDP) that wasn't capable of audio.
They went with DVI when HDMI was available because DVI is for computers and HDMI for entertainment systems. The ones arguing now that Apple should have gone with HDMI simply because it?s what all their home entertainment equipment has is shortsided. Apple may use the audio option in the DP spec at some point, but they also might ignore it since computer displays typically don?t have speakers built in. Personally, I hope they do add it simply because it doesn?t seem like a big deal to ad yet in can save those you want it some time and money from not having to buy a S/PDIF cable.
Those are almost useless. They don't mention resolution at all. They tell you nothing.
Go here, and move down to the two charts for viewing distance and explanations. These charts are worked up from the known acuity restraints of the normal human eye.
Yet half of my friends and family still swear they can't tell the difference between 480p and 1080p.
Field of View is far more important to the laymen IMO given decent equipment which is pretty much a given since you won't find any TV's above 50" that are not HDTV and very probably 1080p
Yet half of my friends and family still swear they can't tell the difference between 480p and 1080p.
Field of View is far more important to the laymen IMO given decent equipment which is pretty much a given since you won't find any TV's above 50" that are not HDTV and very probably 1080p
If you're too far away, then you won't be able to see the difference. for a 52" set and 1080p, you need to be at no more than 6.5 feet away.
If field of view is required, then with 1080p, you also have to be about 6.5 feet away with a 52".
This doesn't mean that it's not watchable at 14 feet. but you don't get any of the benefits.
Why require it when many applications don't need it? it would unnecessarily add cost to the implementation without any purpose. For instance, a display that has no audio capabilities wouldn't need it and it would just add to the cost of the display without benefit.
You're right but I think a display without audio capabilities, even if it wasn't necessary for a particular task, is myopic. Today's small cost of built-in audio in a display should never limit the product's market versatility.
A lot of us agree, melgross! Please have AI do something about it - like, take him out to the woodshed, or put him to pasture, or something...... anything....
I can't decide how I feel about this. I'm still pissed that hollywood screwed me with their switch to DRM crippled video cords. Yeah, I was one of those people with an expensive projector that only supported HD resolutions via component cables. Yet hollywood decided that DVDs weren't allowed to be upscaled except over hdmi.
Well I finally dumped a bunch of money on a new receiver, a new projector, a new disk player, and new in-wall wiring. Imagine how pissed I'll be if hdmi proves to be short lived standard.
I can't decide how I feel about this. I'm still pissed that hollywood screwed me with their switch to DRM crippled video cords. Yeah, I was one of those people with an expensive projector that only supported HD resolutions via component cables. Yet hollywood decided that DVDs weren't allowed to be upscaled except over hdmi.
Well I finally dumped a bunch of money on a new receiver, a new projector, a new disk player, and new in-wall wiring. Imagine how pissed I'll be if hdmi proves to be short lived standard.
It will be as long lived as your equipment is. When you buy new stuff, you won't care.
Just a joke and apologies to Techstud if I assumed the wrong sex.
Besides the obvious longterm benefits of Teckstud not procreating, in the short term I?d like to have him banned. Putting him on your ignore list does nothing when his asinine posts get responded to so frequently. You try to give him a inch, but he sticks his foot in his mouth and before you know it he doesn?t have a leg to stand on, but somehow he keeps up his backpedaling.
It will be as long lived as your equipment is. When you buy new stuff, you won't care.
I'm not sure what you're getting at other than dismissing my dismay at component video cables being purposefully crippled by Hollywood. Electronic manufacturers were prohibited from producing players that output HD over what had been the most common HD cabling option.
With consumers having been bit by that once, it seems like a pertinent topic when discussing new cabling standards. It wasn't that component cables couldn't deliver the signal. But rather that manufacturers were forced to disable functionality which was already there. Occasionally players from various Asian market would surface momentarily and offer DVD upscaling over component. That is until hollywood got wind of it and turned the screws, threatening to revoke the manufacturer's DRM keys.
That's why I'm torn about the new standard. It's yet another cabling change. Yet at least it's one that isn't being driven by the desire for digital restrictions management.
That's why I'm torn about the new standard. It's yet another cabling change. Yet at least it's one that isn't being driven by the desire for digital restrictions management.
I see nothing to be torn about. This is the first time I can recall that a free standard with capacities and features that current displays can?t even come close to handling is being offered. On top of that, it?s the same exact connect on every single Mac, not a variation of port interfaces and different capabilities. This is a good thing.
I'm not sure what you're getting at other than dismissing my dismay at component video cables being purposefully crippled by Hollywood. Electronic manufacturers were prohibited from producing players that output HD over what had been the most common HD cabling option.
With consumers having been bit by that once, it seems like a pertinent topic when discussing new cabling standards. It wasn't that component cables couldn't deliver the signal. But rather that manufacturers were forced to disable functionality which was already there. Occasionally players from various Asian market would surface momentarily and offer DVD upscaling over component. That is until hollywood got wind of it and turned the screws, threatening to revoke the manufacturer's DRM keys.
That's why I'm torn about the new standard. It's yet another cabling change. Yet at least it's one that isn't being driven by the desire for digital restrictions management.
I'm not dismissing it. I've literally got boxes of very expensive SCSI cables, and just about every other obsolete cable around, as well as a couple of hundred pounds of other obsolete computer stuff, not including computers.
My point is that as long as your stuff is good, you won't have to think about it. New models with those standards will be around for years.
But at some time, when you need something new, you'll have gotten your money's worth from it, and it will be time to move on.
I see nothing to be torn about. This is the first time I can recall that a free standard with capacities and features that current displays can?t even come close to handling is being offered. On top of that, it?s the same exact connect on every single Mac, not a variation of port interfaces and different capabilities. This is a good thing.
The fact that it's a free standard, and no licensing is required goes a long ways for it. I didn't know that about DP until reading this thread. As soon as I read that, my opinion on it's potential changed.
All of these new connectors may be cute, but certainly not professional.
A professional connector is positively LOCKING in place.
Think XLR connectors, think ethernet connector, DVI, heck even a old VGA port had screws that KEEP things IN PLACE.
By comparison there's constant issues with lose FW cables, lose mini-USB plugs, and now we'll likely get ever more fragile.
You can't have a professional production environment if you have to worry about someone bumping into your equipment and connectivity goes ape shit.
I wish Apple would pay as much attention to these things to compact and sexy ID.
I don't care if it's thumb screws, clips, hooks, latches, BNC connectors, magnets or whatever, but a cable has to be designed to stay put and securely connected. The current crop of cute and small connectors just doesn't cut it.
Besides the obvious longterm benefits of Teckstud not procreating, in the short term I’d like to have him banned. Putting him on your ignore list does nothing when his asinine posts get responded to so frequently. You try to give him a inch, but he sticks his foot in his mouth and before you know it he doesn’t have a leg to stand on, but somehow he keeps up his backpedaling.
[smile]
Reading AI threads daily for years, I often wonder why I do it. At first, it was the technical abilities of its members, then it just became entertaining. Without Techstud playing devil's advocate, or the usual PC trolls, and the wisdom & intellect of Melgoss, it wouldn't be much to read here. I respect all your opinions, ignorance, intelligent discourse, and fanboyisms. It makes my day.
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I didn't really have to look at the specs, but thanks. Apple despises cable clutter so I'm sure they wouldn't have intentionally gone with a cable standard (mDP) that wasn't capable of audio.
They went with DVI when HDMI was available because DVI is for computers and HDMI for entertainment systems. The ones arguing now that Apple should have gone with HDMI simply because it?s what all their home entertainment equipment has is shortsided. Apple may use the audio option in the DP spec at some point, but they also might ignore it since computer displays typically don?t have speakers built in. Personally, I hope they do add it simply because it doesn?t seem like a big deal to ad yet in can save those you want it some time and money from not having to buy a S/PDIF cable.
Those are almost useless. They don't mention resolution at all. They tell you nothing.
Go here, and move down to the two charts for viewing distance and explanations. These charts are worked up from the known acuity restraints of the normal human eye.
http://carltonbale.com/?s=chart&x=0&y=0
Yet half of my friends and family still swear they can't tell the difference between 480p and 1080p.
Field of View is far more important to the laymen IMO given decent equipment which is pretty much a given since you won't find any TV's above 50" that are not HDTV and very probably 1080p
Yet half of my friends and family still swear they can't tell the difference between 480p and 1080p.
Field of View is far more important to the laymen IMO given decent equipment which is pretty much a given since you won't find any TV's above 50" that are not HDTV and very probably 1080p
If you're too far away, then you won't be able to see the difference. for a 52" set and 1080p, you need to be at no more than 6.5 feet away.
If field of view is required, then with 1080p, you also have to be about 6.5 feet away with a 52".
This doesn't mean that it's not watchable at 14 feet. but you don't get any of the benefits.
Why require it when many applications don't need it? it would unnecessarily add cost to the implementation without any purpose. For instance, a display that has no audio capabilities wouldn't need it and it would just add to the cost of the display without benefit.
You're right but I think a display without audio capabilities, even if it wasn't necessary for a particular task, is myopic. Today's small cost of built-in audio in a display should never limit the product's market versatility.
Just a joke and apologies to Techstud if I assumed the wrong sex.
A lot of us agree, melgross! Please have AI do something about it - like, take him out to the woodshed, or put him to pasture, or something...... anything....
Remember Voltaire?
Could we please have him gelded?
Just a joke and apologies to Techstud if I assumed the wrong sex.
Let's not go overboard, please!
Well I finally dumped a bunch of money on a new receiver, a new projector, a new disk player, and new in-wall wiring. Imagine how pissed I'll be if hdmi proves to be short lived standard.
Remember Voltaire?
Not personally.
I can't decide how I feel about this. I'm still pissed that hollywood screwed me with their switch to DRM crippled video cords. Yeah, I was one of those people with an expensive projector that only supported HD resolutions via component cables. Yet hollywood decided that DVDs weren't allowed to be upscaled except over hdmi.
Well I finally dumped a bunch of money on a new receiver, a new projector, a new disk player, and new in-wall wiring. Imagine how pissed I'll be if hdmi proves to be short lived standard.
It will be as long lived as your equipment is. When you buy new stuff, you won't care.
Could we please have him gelded?
Just a joke and apologies to Techstud if I assumed the wrong sex.
Besides the obvious longterm benefits of Teckstud not procreating, in the short term I?d like to have him banned. Putting him on your ignore list does nothing when his asinine posts get responded to so frequently. You try to give him a inch, but he sticks his foot in his mouth and before you know it he doesn?t have a leg to stand on, but somehow he keeps up his backpedaling.
Let's not go overboard, please!
Trying not to go overboard but one can dream....
Not personally.
Display Port will eventually be kicked to the curb just like firewire, another Apple baby, was- even by it's own parent.
Eventually for sure. Such is the nature of technology. The real prediction is who's better off for it.
It will be as long lived as your equipment is. When you buy new stuff, you won't care.
I'm not sure what you're getting at other than dismissing my dismay at component video cables being purposefully crippled by Hollywood. Electronic manufacturers were prohibited from producing players that output HD over what had been the most common HD cabling option.
With consumers having been bit by that once, it seems like a pertinent topic when discussing new cabling standards. It wasn't that component cables couldn't deliver the signal. But rather that manufacturers were forced to disable functionality which was already there. Occasionally players from various Asian market would surface momentarily and offer DVD upscaling over component. That is until hollywood got wind of it and turned the screws, threatening to revoke the manufacturer's DRM keys.
That's why I'm torn about the new standard. It's yet another cabling change. Yet at least it's one that isn't being driven by the desire for digital restrictions management.
That's why I'm torn about the new standard. It's yet another cabling change. Yet at least it's one that isn't being driven by the desire for digital restrictions management.
I see nothing to be torn about. This is the first time I can recall that a free standard with capacities and features that current displays can?t even come close to handling is being offered. On top of that, it?s the same exact connect on every single Mac, not a variation of port interfaces and different capabilities. This is a good thing.
I'm not sure what you're getting at other than dismissing my dismay at component video cables being purposefully crippled by Hollywood. Electronic manufacturers were prohibited from producing players that output HD over what had been the most common HD cabling option.
With consumers having been bit by that once, it seems like a pertinent topic when discussing new cabling standards. It wasn't that component cables couldn't deliver the signal. But rather that manufacturers were forced to disable functionality which was already there. Occasionally players from various Asian market would surface momentarily and offer DVD upscaling over component. That is until hollywood got wind of it and turned the screws, threatening to revoke the manufacturer's DRM keys.
That's why I'm torn about the new standard. It's yet another cabling change. Yet at least it's one that isn't being driven by the desire for digital restrictions management.
I'm not dismissing it. I've literally got boxes of very expensive SCSI cables, and just about every other obsolete cable around, as well as a couple of hundred pounds of other obsolete computer stuff, not including computers.
My point is that as long as your stuff is good, you won't have to think about it. New models with those standards will be around for years.
But at some time, when you need something new, you'll have gotten your money's worth from it, and it will be time to move on.
I see nothing to be torn about. This is the first time I can recall that a free standard with capacities and features that current displays can?t even come close to handling is being offered. On top of that, it?s the same exact connect on every single Mac, not a variation of port interfaces and different capabilities. This is a good thing.
The fact that it's a free standard, and no licensing is required goes a long ways for it. I didn't know that about DP until reading this thread. As soon as I read that, my opinion on it's potential changed.
A professional connector is positively LOCKING in place.
Think XLR connectors, think ethernet connector, DVI, heck even a old VGA port had screws that KEEP things IN PLACE.
By comparison there's constant issues with lose FW cables, lose mini-USB plugs, and now we'll likely get ever more fragile.
You can't have a professional production environment if you have to worry about someone bumping into your equipment and connectivity goes ape shit.
I wish Apple would pay as much attention to these things to compact and sexy ID.
I don't care if it's thumb screws, clips, hooks, latches, BNC connectors, magnets or whatever, but a cable has to be designed to stay put and securely connected. The current crop of cute and small connectors just doesn't cut it.
Besides the obvious longterm benefits of Teckstud not procreating, in the short term I’d like to have him banned. Putting him on your ignore list does nothing when his asinine posts get responded to so frequently. You try to give him a inch, but he sticks his foot in his mouth and before you know it he doesn’t have a leg to stand on, but somehow he keeps up his backpedaling.
[smile]
Reading AI threads daily for years, I often wonder why I do it. At first, it was the technical abilities of its members, then it just became entertaining. Without Techstud playing devil's advocate, or the usual PC trolls, and the wisdom & intellect of Melgoss, it wouldn't be much to read here. I respect all your opinions, ignorance, intelligent discourse, and fanboyisms. It makes my day.