I see nothing to be torn about. This is the first time I can recall that a free standard with capacities and features that current displays can?t even come close to handling is being offered. On top of that, it?s the same exact connect on every single Mac, not a variation of port interfaces and different capabilities. This is a good thing.
How about the fact that when standards change there are incompatibilities and, at the very least, the hassle of physical adapters?
It's obvious how you feel about the tradeoff of moving to a new standard, but come on! Shouldn't you at least recognize that it's a tradeoff?
For instance, I'm not a gamer nor a college student. But imagine for a second their situation. They just bought a new iMac for school and yet they just can't plug in their cable box or Wii. Instead, they have to research the situation and buy additional equipment.
My point is that as long as your stuff is good, you won't have to think about it. New models with those standards will be around for years.
But at some time, when you need something new, you'll have gotten your money's worth from it, and it will be time to move on.
But I did have to think about it, every single damn time I put in a DVD. The PS3 would switch to 480p instead of staying in 1080i. And of course this meant that the projector had to search for like 15 seconds to find and sync to the the video signal. Same thing on returning to the PS3 main menu. Accidentally hit play from the menu or stop from the movie? Better be prepared to wait for that re-sync.
It was so maddening that I opened up my remote control and disabled the stop button.
While our current equipment will obviously keep working (no need to point that out), the fact remains that in order to make a single component upgrade, it was necessary to trash all existing equipment and upgrade the entire system.
This is a concern that shouldn't be dismissed when discussing A/V interconnect standards. I'm not suggesting that display port is bad, or that we shouldn't switch. But rather that there are trade-offs involved. Compatibility with current equipment is a valid concern... even though that equipment still works today.
All of these new connectors may be cute, but certainly not professional.
A professional connector is positively LOCKING in place.
Think XLR connectors, think ethernet connector, DVI, heck even a old VGA port had screws that KEEP things IN PLACE.
By comparison there's constant issues with lose FW cables, lose mini-USB plugs, and now we'll likely get ever more fragile.
You can't have a professional production environment if you have to worry about someone bumping into your equipment and connectivity goes ape shit.
I wish Apple would pay as much attention to these things to compact and sexy ID.
I don't care if it's thumb screws, clips, hooks, latches, BNC connectors, magnets or whatever, but a cable has to be designed to stay put and securely connected. The current crop of cute and small connectors just doesn't cut it.
I agree with problems about locking. Apple used to have special connectors that were the same as far as physical connections were concerned, but had edges that locked. Much better, but not standard.
Sadly, industry is moving that way. Locking connectors take up more room, and cost more. All of which is anathema to consumers, and today, except in high end commercial use, consumer standards rule.
But I did have to think about it, every single damn time I put in a DVD. The PS3 would switch to 480p instead of staying in 1080i. And of course this meant that the projector had to search for like 15 seconds to find and sync to the the video signal. Same thing on returning to the PS3 main menu. Accidentally hit play from the menu or stop from the movie? Better be prepared to wait for that re-sync.
It was so maddening that I opened up my remote control and disabled the stop button.
That's a different problem though. I have problems like that from my DVr cable box to my HDTV. Handshaking isn't as good as it should be. I get a message when I turn the unit on, or am changing channels, about how it doesn't recognize this or that, but then works.
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While our current equipment will obviously keep working (no need to point that out), the fact remains that in order to make a single component upgrade, it was necessary to trash all existing equipment and upgrade the entire system.
This is a concern that shouldn't be dismissed when discussing A/V interconnect standards. I'm not suggesting that display port is bad, or that we shouldn't switch. But rather that there are trade-offs involved. Compatibility with current equipment is a valid concern... even though that equipment still works today.
It's not that I don't have empathy for you here, because I do, but technology marches on. I've wired my entire house with1Gb/s Ethernet. I'd like to move to 10 Gb/s when it becomes more common. What a pain (literally) that will be! But that's the way it is.
They just bought a new iMac for school and yet they just can't plug in their cable box or Wii. Instead, they have to research the situation and buy additional equipment.
Assuming you are talking about the DP input on the 27? iMac, I?m not following. How were they able to do this before but not now? If you are talking about the DP output, all Macs with DP can output video to HDMI/DVI monitors and HDTVs.
The wikipedia entry shows a cable that looks like has a latching cable with button release. I don't see how that would work with mini DisplayPort.
The biggest suckiness of both HDMI and mDP is that there isn't a latching or other method of securing the cable other than friction. I've had HDMI pull out from a long heavy cable up to the projector.
You're right but I think a display without audio capabilities, even if it wasn't necessary for a particular task, is myopic. Today's small cost of built-in audio in a display should never limit the product's market versatility.
No need to limit it, which is why it's optional in the spec. I think it would be wise for Apple to start using the audio spec, while leaving it up to the Display manufacturer's as to whether or not to use the audio signal.
Blindly saying everyone should require it, even if they don't need it is just wasteful and not necessarily a good thing for the consumer. The fact that the audio piece is in the spec is a good thing.
The biggest suckiness of both HDMI and mDP is that there isn't a latching or other method of securing the cable other than friction. I've had HDMI pull out from a long heavy cable up to the projector.
HDMI has optional latching, but I am not seeing it for mDP.
No need to limit it, which is why it's optional in the spec. I think it would be wise for Apple to start using the audio spec, while leaving it up to the Display manufacturer's as to whether or not to use the audio signal.
Blindly saying everyone should require it, even if they don't need it is just wasteful and not necessarily a good thing for the consumer. The fact that the audio piece is in the spec is a good thing.
It?s too bad they didn?t use it in the 24? LED Apple Display. Instead you have to use USB. Obviously they have their reasons but what it is I can?t guess.
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As one poster said before.
DisplayPort = Computer display.
HDMI- Consumer Electronics display
CE doesn?t often excludes PCs anymore. It might be more accurate to refer to these devices as consumer electronic appliances. Personally, I don?t care as I understand the context given, but I?m sure someone will pedantically and vehemently take issue with it.
It’s too bad they didn’t use it in the 24” LED Apple Display. Instead you have to use USB. Obviously they have their reasons but what it is I can’t guess.
CE doesn’t often excludes PCs anymore. It might be more accurate to refer to these devices as consumer electronic appliances. Personally, I don’t care as I understand the context given, but I’m sure someone will pedantically and vehemently take issue with it.
Agreed. I can't imagine why, especially if it was designed by their own shop. You would think they'd want to showcase it properly.
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I see nothing to be torn about. This is the first time I can recall that a free standard with capacities and features that current displays can?t even come close to handling is being offered. On top of that, it?s the same exact connect on every single Mac, not a variation of port interfaces and different capabilities. This is a good thing.
How about the fact that when standards change there are incompatibilities and, at the very least, the hassle of physical adapters?
It's obvious how you feel about the tradeoff of moving to a new standard, but come on! Shouldn't you at least recognize that it's a tradeoff?
For instance, I'm not a gamer nor a college student. But imagine for a second their situation. They just bought a new iMac for school and yet they just can't plug in their cable box or Wii. Instead, they have to research the situation and buy additional equipment.
My point is that as long as your stuff is good, you won't have to think about it. New models with those standards will be around for years.
But at some time, when you need something new, you'll have gotten your money's worth from it, and it will be time to move on.
But I did have to think about it, every single damn time I put in a DVD. The PS3 would switch to 480p instead of staying in 1080i. And of course this meant that the projector had to search for like 15 seconds to find and sync to the the video signal. Same thing on returning to the PS3 main menu. Accidentally hit play from the menu or stop from the movie? Better be prepared to wait for that re-sync.
It was so maddening that I opened up my remote control and disabled the stop button.
While our current equipment will obviously keep working (no need to point that out), the fact remains that in order to make a single component upgrade, it was necessary to trash all existing equipment and upgrade the entire system.
This is a concern that shouldn't be dismissed when discussing A/V interconnect standards. I'm not suggesting that display port is bad, or that we shouldn't switch. But rather that there are trade-offs involved. Compatibility with current equipment is a valid concern... even though that equipment still works today.
All of these new connectors may be cute, but certainly not professional.
A professional connector is positively LOCKING in place.
Think XLR connectors, think ethernet connector, DVI, heck even a old VGA port had screws that KEEP things IN PLACE.
By comparison there's constant issues with lose FW cables, lose mini-USB plugs, and now we'll likely get ever more fragile.
You can't have a professional production environment if you have to worry about someone bumping into your equipment and connectivity goes ape shit.
I wish Apple would pay as much attention to these things to compact and sexy ID.
I don't care if it's thumb screws, clips, hooks, latches, BNC connectors, magnets or whatever, but a cable has to be designed to stay put and securely connected. The current crop of cute and small connectors just doesn't cut it.
I agree with problems about locking. Apple used to have special connectors that were the same as far as physical connections were concerned, but had edges that locked. Much better, but not standard.
Sadly, industry is moving that way. Locking connectors take up more room, and cost more. All of which is anathema to consumers, and today, except in high end commercial use, consumer standards rule.
But I did have to think about it, every single damn time I put in a DVD. The PS3 would switch to 480p instead of staying in 1080i. And of course this meant that the projector had to search for like 15 seconds to find and sync to the the video signal. Same thing on returning to the PS3 main menu. Accidentally hit play from the menu or stop from the movie? Better be prepared to wait for that re-sync.
It was so maddening that I opened up my remote control and disabled the stop button.
That's a different problem though. I have problems like that from my DVr cable box to my HDTV. Handshaking isn't as good as it should be. I get a message when I turn the unit on, or am changing channels, about how it doesn't recognize this or that, but then works.
While our current equipment will obviously keep working (no need to point that out), the fact remains that in order to make a single component upgrade, it was necessary to trash all existing equipment and upgrade the entire system.
This is a concern that shouldn't be dismissed when discussing A/V interconnect standards. I'm not suggesting that display port is bad, or that we shouldn't switch. But rather that there are trade-offs involved. Compatibility with current equipment is a valid concern... even though that equipment still works today.
It's not that I don't have empathy for you here, because I do, but technology marches on. I've wired my entire house with1Gb/s Ethernet. I'd like to move to 10 Gb/s when it becomes more common. What a pain (literally) that will be! But that's the way it is.
They just bought a new iMac for school and yet they just can't plug in their cable box or Wii. Instead, they have to research the situation and buy additional equipment.
Assuming you are talking about the DP input on the 27? iMac, I?m not following. How were they able to do this before but not now? If you are talking about the DP output, all Macs with DP can output video to HDMI/DVI monitors and HDTVs.
I agree with problems about locking.
As I recall, DP has specs for optional locking.
As I recall, DP has specs for optional locking.
The wikipedia entry shows a cable that looks like has a latch with button release. I don't see how that would work with mini DisplayPort.
No- you're the one misinformed. Is it 7.1?
Yes. Up to 8 channel 24 bit linear PCM @ 6.144 Mbit/s bit rate uncompressed is the spec.
Which you would know if you could Google "display port" and "audio".
Yes. Up to 8 channel 24 bit linear PCM @ 6.144 Mbit/s bit rate uncompressed is the spec.
Which you would know if you could Google "display port" and "audio".
But who has the time, vinea!
As I recall, DP has specs for optional locking.
And you know what that means.
The wikipedia entry shows a cable that looks like has a latching cable with button release. I don't see how that would work with mini DisplayPort.
The biggest suckiness of both HDMI and mDP is that there isn't a latching or other method of securing the cable other than friction. I've had HDMI pull out from a long heavy cable up to the projector.
You're right but I think a display without audio capabilities, even if it wasn't necessary for a particular task, is myopic. Today's small cost of built-in audio in a display should never limit the product's market versatility.
No need to limit it, which is why it's optional in the spec. I think it would be wise for Apple to start using the audio spec, while leaving it up to the Display manufacturer's as to whether or not to use the audio signal.
Blindly saying everyone should require it, even if they don't need it is just wasteful and not necessarily a good thing for the consumer. The fact that the audio piece is in the spec is a good thing.
We have the "usual suspects" that seem to take every topic that has anything to do with display technology and the Blu-ray or TV angle.
As one poster said before.
DisplayPort = Computer display.
HDMI- Consumer Electronics display
HDMI goes up to 4k at video refresh rates ( < 30 fps)
DP needs to handle 4k display of static images (meaning > 30fps)
Meaning they will
Wow this was a really poor thread with regard to technical info or at least some supporting their statements with a few facts.
We have the "usual suspects" that seem to take every topic that has anything to do with display technology and the Blu-ray or TV angle.
As one poster said before.
DisplayPort = Computer display.
HDMI- Consumer Electronics display
HDMI goes up to 4k at video refresh rates ( < 30 fps)
DP needs to handle 4k display of static images (meaning > 30fps)
Meaning they will
Not to belabor the point, but you do realize that a movie is just a bunch of static images in a series right?
In the end, it all comes down to throughput.
Yes. Up to 8 channel 24 bit linear PCM @ 6.144 Mbit/s bit rate uncompressed is the spec.
Which you would know if you could Google "display port" and "audio".
It’s even been stated in this very thread if he cared indulge in any sort of reading comprehension.
And you know what that means.
Besides it being optional, it also means that very few devices will use it and you’ll pay a premium for cables with the latch, if you can find them.
Here is one from Newegg…
The biggest suckiness of both HDMI and mDP is that there isn't a latching or other method of securing the cable other than friction. I've had HDMI pull out from a long heavy cable up to the projector.
HDMI has optional latching, but I am not seeing it for mDP.
It’s even been stated in this very thread if he cared indulge in any sort of reading comprehension.
Besides it being optional, it also means that very few devices will use it and you’ll pay a premium for cables with the latch, if you can find them.
Here is one from Newegg…
HDMI has optional latching, but I am not seeing it for mDP.
I wonder why they just don't implement the magnetic latching? I absolutely LOVE that feature on a power cord.
No need to limit it, which is why it's optional in the spec. I think it would be wise for Apple to start using the audio spec, while leaving it up to the Display manufacturer's as to whether or not to use the audio signal.
Blindly saying everyone should require it, even if they don't need it is just wasteful and not necessarily a good thing for the consumer. The fact that the audio piece is in the spec is a good thing.
It?s too bad they didn?t use it in the 24? LED Apple Display. Instead you have to use USB. Obviously they have their reasons but what it is I can?t guess.
As one poster said before.
DisplayPort = Computer display.
HDMI- Consumer Electronics display
CE doesn?t often excludes PCs anymore. It might be more accurate to refer to these devices as consumer electronic appliances. Personally, I don?t care as I understand the context given, but I?m sure someone will pedantically and vehemently take issue with it.
It’s too bad they didn’t use it in the 24” LED Apple Display. Instead you have to use USB. Obviously they have their reasons but what it is I can’t guess.
CE doesn’t often excludes PCs anymore. It might be more accurate to refer to these devices as consumer electronic appliances. Personally, I don’t care as I understand the context given, but I’m sure someone will pedantically and vehemently take issue with it.
Agreed. I can't imagine why, especially if it was designed by their own shop. You would think they'd want to showcase it properly.
Ditto on the CE bit...
Besides it being optional, it also means that very few devices will use it and you?ll pay a premium for cables with the latch, if you can find them.
Here is one from Newegg?
HDMI has optional latching, but I am not seeing it for mDP.
Yup, that's what will happen.
If you want something to be used, you can't make it optional.
It will be as long lived as your equipment is. When you buy new stuff, you won't care.
My point is that as long as your stuff is good, you won't have to think about it.
Are these comments related to the proposed gelding?
Are these comments related to the proposed gelding?
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