New G5 info (yes, a new one- it's hot!)

kidred · January 21, 2002 8:35PM

Just saw this on another site, figured I'd apss it along. Sounds great

[quote] you guys owe me BIG for this. I captured it as it was happening on a very private Hotline server with an apple employee, who's alias has been changed in this text... nothing else has been altered..

anon: the G5 will be announced next month during Seybold i think like the 22-26 or something

anon: check out the starting G5: 1.2 gig PPC G5

anon: 256 DDR Ram

anon: NVidia3 64 video

anon: USB 1.0 (unlikely 2.0 will debut now)

anon: Firewire 2.0 aka Gigawire

anon: 60 gig harddrive

anon: Superdrive

anon: Gigabit ethernet

anon: Optical port * More on this later on

anon: $1699

anon: 1.8 gig PPC G5

anon: 1 GIG DDR Ram

anon: NVidia3 64 video (dual view)

anon: USB 1.0 (unlikely 2.0 will debut now)

anon: Firewire 2.0 aka Gigawire

anon: 120 gig harddrive

anon: Superdrive

anon: Gigabit ethernet

anon: Optical port

anon: $3299

anon: SUMMER MACWORLD.........

anon:

anon: Still tentative based on market conditions, etc.

anon:

anon: iMac (new) get USB 2.0, speed bump to top end of 1.0 gig

anon:

anon: iBook get USB 2.0, whole line

anon: 1 will remian 12 inch with 600 mhz G3

anon: rest will be 14.1 inch with G4 at 667 and 867

anon: graphics will be enhanced to radeon level.

anon:

anon: G5 tower will get USB 2.0 and POSSIBLE speed bumps (.2 gig each model)

anon: TiBook will get USB 2.0 and POSSIBLE speed bump (.2 gig each model)

anon: As for the TiBook, it has not been forgotten either.

anon:

anon: It WILL NOT HAVE A G5.

anon: It WILL break 1 gig with the G4.

anon: Graphics will be enhanced with more RAM but will STILL BE ATI (think Radeon 2 aka 8500)

anon: Same size configurations and look

anon: NEW batterey technology, based on same tech used in iPod. LONGER run time (8 to 12 hours from tests)

anon: 3 configurations.

anon: 1.0, 1.4 and 1.8 G4 at same price points. It WILL have Firewire 2.0 (Gigawire) and USB 1.0, and airport.

anon: i got news on OS classic

anon: Classic.

anon: Well, the days of classic are limited. With OSX being primary startup..... However, look for the venerable OS 9.2.2 to have three more bigger revisions, 9.3, 9.4 and finally 9.5. Although development willstop after 9.3 which will add some additional functionality with itools and webdav, and communication, 9.4 and 9.5 will be polishing and hardware compatibility updates. Most intriguging is the concept that 9.4 and 9.5 will NOT be standalong OS. Meaning you can run classic 9.4 within OSX but NOT as its own boot. This makes for a faster experience and discards some legacy code and optimizes things a bit. Apple knows many peopel will need classic ability for another few years, but they also want to push migration of OSX, so by having a classic layer yet no separate boot support for the newer machines they solve both issues. The early builds of the OSX only classic layer are surprising with 'classic' app performamce exceeding current 9.2.2 .

anon: oh ya Apples making a digital audio program!

anon: its going to be for pros

anon: and work side by side with FCP

anon: OS X

anon: Where is it going.?

anon: 10.2 is looking like a Feb/Mar release. Most likely with the new G5 towers in Mar.

anon: Its still a housekeeping release. Speed, tweaks of interface, bug squashing, etc.

anon:

anon: But 10.3 onward is where new functionality and features show up. Look for an integrated ability to use the digital hub apps. More customizable abilities of the interface (within reason, NOT SKINS), USB 2.0 support, and better driver support and a few new things never seen on a Mac OS.

Stock. Apple has realized MacWorld only announcements don't help the financial quarters as they should. So rather than announce every six months, they want to announce every 2-3 months. This keeps Apple in the news, in press, and helps the bottom line by having a 'hot new' product every 2 to 3 months. Just the early adopters alone will boost profits for the given quarter. It makes financial sense.

nobody: we're all disgruntled apple employees!

anon: Dual processor will be an option with either 1.4 or 1.8 as a BTO option. The G5 is more complicated to make dual (beyond my technical knowledge to explain why). But its screams with dual processors.

you know running a dual G5 system is like running 8 G4's at once* 80 gigaflop/sec

<hr></blockquote>

This is either well thought out or the real thing. This was a conversation. I think it;s hard to pull this type of conversation off with specs, info, and everything else if you are making it up. The 2-3 month update sounds interesting as well and would explain the March rumors. Well, sounds good to me

ryanthegreat · January 21, 2002 8:38PM

If it sounds too good to be true...

sizzle chest · January 21, 2002 8:42PM

Well, if that's true, it would shut up a lot of the naysayers here.

kidred · January 21, 2002 8:42PM

[quote]Originally posted by RyanTheGreat:

If it sounds too good to be true...<hr></blockquote>

Well, it doesn't sound that good. 2.0ghz dual G5s and I would agree with you. This is reasonable.

bodhi · January 21, 2002 8:44PM

I cannot say how I know but I do know for a fact Apple is working on a digital audio program...I am in-directly involved at this point.

alexander · January 21, 2002 8:45PM

I'm a bit skeptical of that 1.8 GHz G4 in the Titanium. Did anyone ever say that the G4 would scale to 1.8? I've heard the 1.6 Apollo's, but that's about it.

Besides, I need a new computer tomorrow.

Alex

sizzle chest · January 21, 2002 8:45PM

Hmmm, yeah. 1.2ghz next gen chip, Superdrive, DDR, and Gigawire for $1699. "Not too good."

nostradamus · January 21, 2002 8:46PM

Unfortunately, the fact that this person states that USB 1.0 will be on PowerMac G5's seriously damages his/her credulity with such matters.

The new iMacs have USB 1.1

sledgehammer · January 21, 2002 8:47PM

The great thing about things that sound too good to be true is that either they are false (which we all expected anyway) or they are true (which is great). I know it sounds obvious, but think about it...

kidred · January 21, 2002 8:58PM

[quote]Originally posted by sizzle chest:

Hmmm, yeah. 1.2ghz next gen chip, Superdrive, DDR, and Gigawire for $1699. "Not too good."<hr></blockquote>

Not earth shattering when for $200 more you get an iMac/superdrive with a 15" LCD. THese are good specs, but not over the top good, as I said-reasonable.

applenut · January 21, 2002 9:01PM

[quote]Originally posted by Nostradamus:

Unfortunately, the fact that this person states that USB 1.0 will be on PowerMac G5's seriously damages his/her credulity with such matters.

The new iMacs have USB 1.1<hr></blockquote>

I think its obvious that's what he/she meant. it's only logical to refer to 1.1 as 1 and usb 2 as 2.

ghost_user_name · January 21, 2002 9:04PM

I call BS.

Jet

rmh1572 · January 21, 2002 9:04PM

If these are true then I wonder if there will be any announcement tommorrow. And if there is does this discredit the info or would they bump the pro line for a month? I would be turned to say if there is a bump tommorrow then the info is false because apple couldn't get the bumped g4s into the channel and then out in one or two months. Correct me if I am wrong. i gues they could jsut announce the g5 and have it shipping later

nostradamus · January 21, 2002 9:06PM

[quote]Originally posted by applenut:



I think its obvious that's what he/she meant. it's only logical to refer to 1.1 as 1 and usb 2 as 2.<hr></blockquote>

Yes, but this person reported the USB version to two significant digits.

qazii · January 21, 2002 9:06PM

[quote]

you guys owe me BIG for this. I captured it as it was happening on a very private Hotline server with an apple employee, who's alias has been changed in this text... nothing else has been altered..

<hr></blockquote>

A little better than getting some one drunk, but not much....

[quote]

anon: the G5 will be announced next month during Seybold i think like the 22-26 or something

<hr></blockquote>

reasonable

[quote]

anon: check out the starting G5: 1.2 gig PPC G5

anon: 256 DDR Ram

anon: NVidia3 64 video

anon: USB 1.0 (unlikely 2.0 will debut now)

anon: Firewire 2.0 aka Gigawire

anon: 60 gig harddrive

anon: Superdrive

anon: Gigabit ethernet

anon: Optical port * More on this later on

anon: $1699

<hr></blockquote>

Did I miss something, or was there no info on the optical port later on? Other than that, this seems reasonable, but would be easy enough to guess...nothing new here.

[quote]

anon: 1.8 gig PPC G5

anon: 1 GIG DDR Ram

anon: NVidia3 64 video (dual view)

anon: USB 1.0 (unlikely 2.0 will debut now)

anon: Firewire 2.0 aka Gigawire

anon: 120 gig harddrive

anon: Superdrive

anon: Gigabit ethernet

anon: Optical port

anon: $3299

<hr></blockquote>

Apple has always bundled stingy amounts of RAM with their systems. I doubt this will change. I don't think Apple will go for only two models, a high range and a low range. So what will be done with all those 1.0, 1.4, and 1.6 chips rumored? (It is possible that it's a typo and is really 1.6.) I think that if these two appear they will be accompined by a midline machine. Again, nothing is really new. Notice how there is nothing about a case redesign, which I'm sure would be necessary to hold stuff such as the new "Optical port," whatever that is.

[quote]

anon: SUMMER MACWORLD.........

anon:

<hr></blockquote>

So nothing at Tokyo?

[quote]

anon: Still tentative based on market conditions, etc.

anon:

anon: iMac (new) get USB 2.0, speed bump to top end of 1.0 gig

<hr></blockquote>

Reasonable, except I don't think Apple will go to USB 2, at least not without having faster Firewire on the same machine.

[quote]

anon:

anon: iBook get USB 2.0, whole line

anon: 1 will remian 12 inch with 600 mhz G3

anon: rest will be 14.1 inch with G4 at 667 and 867

anon: graphics will be enhanced to radeon level.

<hr></blockquote>

G4? Yeah, right! I think this would require a redesign do to heat issues. Also, I again doubt USB2 without faster Firewire.

[quote]

anon:

anon: G5 tower will get USB 2.0 and POSSIBLE speed bumps (.2 gig each model)

<hr></blockquote>

Reasonable.

[quote]

anon: TiBook will get USB 2.0 and POSSIBLE speed bump (.2 gig each model)

<hr></blockquote>

Hmmm... Fastest ibook G4-867, fastest possible TiBook G4667+200=G4-867. I think not!

[quote]

anon: As for the TiBook, it has not been forgotten either.

anon:

anon: It WILL NOT HAVE A G5.

anon: It WILL break 1 gig with the G4.

anon: Graphics will be enhanced with more RAM but will STILL BE ATI (think Radeon 2 aka 8500)

anon: Same size configurations and look

anon: NEW batterey technology, based on same tech used in iPod. LONGER run time (8 to 12 hours from tests)

anon: 3 configurations.

anon: 1.0, 1.4 and 1.8 G4 at same price points. It WILL have Firewire 2.0 (Gigawire) and USB 1.0, and airport.

<hr></blockquote>

Wait a minute here! You just said that Tibook will be 867 max! I really doubt 1.8Ghz G4's exist. As for graphics, I don't think there's a mobile version of the 8500. As for USB, you said 2.0 before but now say 1.0. Would Apple put 2.0 on everything but the Tibook? I think not! Now about the battery....When the Tibook came out, I remember reading about how it used Lithium Polymer technology. I remember reading the same thing about the iPod. In other words, unless I am mistaken, they already use the same battery technology.

[quote]

anon: i got news on OS classic

anon: Classic.

anon: Well, the days of classic are limited. With OSX being primary startup..... However, look for the venerable OS 9.2.2 to have three more bigger revisions, 9.3, 9.4 and finally 9.5. Although development willstop after 9.3 which will add some additional functionality with itools and webdav, and communication, 9.4 and 9.5 will be polishing and hardware compatibility updates. Most intriguging is the concept that 9.4 and 9.5 will NOT be standalong OS. Meaning you can run classic 9.4 within OSX but NOT as its own boot. This makes for a faster experience and discards some legacy code and optimizes things a bit. Apple knows many peopel will need classic ability for another few years, but they also want to push migration of OSX, so by having a classic layer yet no separate boot support for the newer machines they solve both issues. The early builds of the OSX only classic layer are surprising with 'classic' app performamce exceeding current 9.2.2 .

<hr></blockquote>

I doubt this, but don't know enough to argue it. Maybe start a thread in Future Software.

[quote]

anon: oh ya Apples making a digital audio program!

anon: its going to be for pros

anon: and work side by side with FCP

anon: OS X

anon: Where is it going.?

<hr></blockquote>

This makes sense. iMovie and iDVD have pro versions, iPhoto won't because of Photoshop, and this leaves iTunes as a candidate for a pro version.

[quote]

anon: 10.2 is looking like a Feb/Mar release. Most likely with the new G5 towers in Mar.

anon: Its still a housekeeping release. Speed, tweaks of interface, bug squashing, etc.

anon:

anon: But 10.3 onward is where new functionality and features show up. Look for an integrated ability to use the digital hub apps. More customizable abilities of the interface (within reason, NOT SKINS), USB 2.0 support, and better driver support and a few new things never seen on a Mac OS.

<hr></blockquote>

I thought 10.2 was supposed to include significant new features.

[quote]

Stock. Apple has realized MacWorld only announcements don't help the financial quarters as they should. So rather than announce every six months, they want to announce every 2-3 months. This keeps Apple in the news, in press, and helps the bottom line by having a 'hot new' product every 2 to 3 months. Just the early adopters alone will boost profits for the given quarter. It makes financial sense.

nobody: we're all disgruntled apple employees!

<hr></blockquote>

reasonable

[quote]

anon: Dual processor will be an option with either 1.4 or 1.8 as a BTO option. The G5 is more complicated to make dual (beyond my technical knowledge to explain why). But its screams with dual processors.

you know running a dual G5 system is like running 8 G4's at once* 80 gigaflop/sec

<hr></blockquote>

Umm..didn't you say before that G5's were at 1.2 and 1.8 only?

In conclusion, this is BS, though mostly well thought BS. There is very little that hasn't been speculated on already.

apple.otaku · January 21, 2002 9:24PM

The problem is that Apple does not have a set schedule for releases as presented here. It just doesn't work that way. They have a rough idea of when things will be released. The specs are creative but bogus. There are a few fatal flaws. See if you can spot them.

eman · January 21, 2002 9:30PM

Sounds great but I doubt it.

gk · January 21, 2002 9:38PM

paul · January 21, 2002 9:43PM

Why would ONE person have all this information? Doesnt apple try and limit this info? I mean he supossedly knows about all 4 product lines and how/when they will be updated... Even if someone does know that information, they wouldnt tell anyone. It would be easy to trace where the leak came from and he would lose his job... it is total BS unless only some of it is true and the rest is well thought out speculation..

danho · January 21, 2002 9:43PM

[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:



Not earth shattering when for $200 more you get an iMac/superdrive with a 15" LCD. THese are good specs, but not over the top good, as I said-reasonable.<hr></blockquote>

yes, you get the 15" lcd, but you seem to be ignoring the rest of the specs when deciding on value. the bottom of the line g5 above has a processor that is 50% faster and has all the neat things that a g5 has to offer. According to the other rumors, which seem just as credible as this one, the g5 offers floating point execution that is more efficient than the g4 by up to a factor of 3. according to the last sentence, each g5 processor performs at right around 40 gigaflops, nearly 4 times the speed of the current dual 800. The ram is also at least twice as fast as the new Imac with a graphics card with twice as much RAM running at DDR-a gigantic improvement. the same superdrive and hard drive as the Imac.

It seems that if this system is released, the balance of sales may once again shift. instead of "who in their right mind would buy a power mac?", it would then be "who in their right mind would buy an Imac?"

Take the last release of power macs for example. they took the top of the line system, the 733 graphite, stripped it down, got rid of some cache, and halved the price. This time, they would be making their bottom of the line system perform at a much higher speed than the previous leader, the dual 800, adding more ram, and introuducing some new ports. while again halving the price.

The timing of the supposed release also makes me skeptical. The article claims that apple will be releasing these systems right around the time when their second imac hits the apple store. this seems like an odd time to release a system that is just as reasonably priced as the imac, but much faster, with new ram, and a graphics card that can perform close to 4 times better than the geforce2, just after the hyped MWSF.

when has either nvidia or ATI "ported" one of their graphics cards directly to a laptop, without any drawbacks? they have made versions of their existing cards for portables, but not with the same power.

last thing i noticed- if this hotline server really was for apple employees, why does this person seem to be explaining in detail to his fellow employees about the system. either they should already know about it or they don't know for a reason. if they're not supposed to know, then people like this would have spread these specs all over the place by now. However, this is the first time i've seen these specs.

of course...after saying all this, i'd love to be proven wrong..

ssmurphy · January 21, 2002 9:44PM

[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:

Just saw this on another site, figured I'd apss it along. Sounds great

This is either well thought out or the real thing. This was a conversation. I think it;s hard to pull this type of conversation off with specs, info, and everything else if you are making it up. The 2-3 month update sounds interesting as well and would explain the March rumors. Well, sounds good to me

<hr></blockquote>

How about sending us the link to this web site you found the info? Would like to see what they have to say about the info.

Later Steve <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

New G5 info (yes, a new one- it's hot!)

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