New G5 info (yes, a new one- it's hot!)

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  • Reply 20 of 116
    programmerprogrammer Posts: 3,412member
    [quote]Originally posted by Nostradamus:

    <strong>Yes, but this person reported the USB version to two significant digits.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I think you're reading way too much into this. The guy (or gal) is probably not remotely interested in the details of USB and just happened to know it wasn't being upgraded to 2, hence assumes its still 1. If you'd asked me I wouldn't have been able to tell you which version of USB 1.x was current.
  • Reply 22 of 116
    My oh my. Hope is springing eternal here too.



    I must be getting jaded...







    Mandricard

    AppleOutsider
  • Reply 23 of 116
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    [quote]Originally posted by ssmurphy:

    <strong>



    How about sending us the link to this web site you found the info? Would like to see what they have to say about the info.



    Later Steve <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>



    <a href="http://www.macrumors.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=1556"; target="_blank">http://www.macrumors.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=1556</a>;
  • Reply 24 of 116
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by KidRed:

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    <a href="http://www.macrumors.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=1556"; target="_blank">http://www.macrumors.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=1556</a></strong>[ /QUOTE]



    Thanks for the link



    Later Steve
  • Reply 25 of 116
    • Notice how there is nothing about a case redesign, which I'm sure would be necessary to hold stuff such as the new "Optical port," whatever that is.

    optical ports are not big, nor do they require a new case, they are the same size as headphone ports. They are used as digital out for DVD's. They are becoming Standard on high end systems, kind of like component video out. They also can be used for firewire 2 connections
  • Reply 26 of 116
    hmmm, this smells funny, one thing I'm thinking stands out is 1.8 g5s AND 1.8 g4s

    two things, I HIGHLY doubt apple would release a g5 that had a g4 too match its speed, that is initially release, they have done same mhz with diff cpus before, but usually only when they HAVE to.



    secondly 1.6 has been the biggest rumored top speed, now perhaps moto all of a sudden started churning out wafer and wafer of 1.8 chips(or rather wafers with ALOT of 1.8s)

    that would be strange, but it is not THAT far fetched, at least not for the g5.

    the g4 is SUPPOSED to cap out at just over 1 ghz, though there has been alot of talk of 1.2 1.4 and even 1.6....stating 1.8 seems very unreasonanble..



    also the source of this info is questionable...a secret hotline server?

    well maybe large companies use hotline, but I would think that apple would have their own peer to peer sharing/chat client/network setup.

    unless of course this was on the apple workers down time, but then why would he be in a secret apple server for hotline???



    oh well, a 1.8 ghz g5 with ddr and twin view geforce3would DEFINATLY be welcome
  • Reply 27 of 116
    I have no reason to believe these specs (anybody not "in the know" could have just made them up), but some of your criticisms aren't necessarily valid...



    [quote]Originally posted by qazII:

    <strong>Reasonable, except I don't think Apple will go to USB 2, at least not without having faster Firewire on the same machine.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    The Pro machines described listed FireWire 2 -- there's no reason to think that the iMac wouldn't get it as well since the cost of putting it shouldn't differ appreciably from the cost of putting in FireWire 1. So USB2 wouldn't be unreasonable, and keeping up with the PC world's peripherals has advantages.



    [quote]<strong>

    G4? Yeah, right! I think this would require a redesign do to heat issues.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    The Apollo should be in full production by then, possibly on a smaller process. This will allow low speed (i.e. sub-GHz) G4s to run with low power/heat characteristics. I think Apple will want to move to all AltiVec enabled chips as soon as possible.



    <strong> [quote]

    Wait a minute here! You just said that Tibook will be 867 max! I really doubt 1.8Ghz G4's exist.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    It was a quote from Motorola that mentioned the possiblity of pushing the Apollo as high as 1.8 GHz. I'd question the timeframe, but who knows -- if the process shrink and SOI, combine with the tweaks to the Apollo's design... who knows? Intel managed to push the PIII a lot farther than they ever expected (or wanted).



    <strong> [quote]

    As for graphics, I don't think there's a mobile version of the 8500.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    He said "radeon level" which implies either the Radeon Mobility (which does exist) or the equivalent nVidia chipset (which may exist soon). Either way its not the 8500.



    <strong> [quote]

    Now about the battery....When the Tibook came out, I remember reading about how it used Lithium Polymer technology. I remember reading the same thing about the iPod. In other words, unless I am mistaken, they already use the same battery technology.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    I don't know much about the details of all the available battery technologies, but I do know that they are changing very quickly -- even within the same type of technology. In other words, not all Lithium Polymer batteries are equivalent.



    <strong> [quote]

    I doubt this, but don't know enough to argue it. Maybe start a thread in Future Software.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Actually, I've been wondering when they'd do this. There must be a lot of cruft hanging around in the Classic emulation environment, and stripping it out would (at the very least) reduce its memory footprint. Certain parts could also be better implemented directly in terms of the MacOSX services, but this would destroy the ability to run it as a standalone OS.



    <strong> [quote]

    I thought 10.2 was supposed to include significant new features.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Renumber of unannounced revisions happens all the time. If they have a really major hardware revision coming then I'd be surprised if a new OS revision didn't come with it... without major features, just new hardware support. This would cause the major feature release to be renumbered, but may not change its expected release date (summer).



    <strong> [quote]

    Umm..didn't you say before that G5's were at 1.2 and 1.8 only?

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Your first point of expecting a mid-range machine was probably correct. If this was delivered in a chat then its not surprising details were skipped or that typos would happen. Sending just the high-end and low-end and leaving the mid-range up to the reader's imagination is something I would do.





    My gut feel is that I agree this is BS. Somebody has been reading the AI forums and decided to add to the noise (note that I'm not saying the person starting this thread made it up). Having said that though, this doesn't mean the above scenario won't come to pass (G5 skeptics not withstanding).
  • Reply 28 of 116
    [quote]Originally posted by qazII:

    <strong>Now about the battery....When the Tibook came out, I remember reading about how it used Lithium Polymer technology. I remember reading the same thing about the iPod. In other words, unless I am mistaken, they already use the same battery technology.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    No, the TiBook uses cylindrical Lithium Ion cells. The iPod uses a flat rectangular Lithium polymer cell. I remember reading that they wanted to get Lithium polymer into the TiBook, but it didn't happen. (I've seen the X-rays.)



    That part, at least, is plausible.



    Alex
  • Reply 29 of 116
    [quote]Originally posted by Wrong Robot:

    <strong>hmmm, this smells funny, one thing I'm thinking stands out is 1.8 g5s AND 1.8 g4s

    two things, I HIGHLY doubt apple would release a g5 that had a g4 too match its speed, that is initially release, they have done same mhz with diff cpus before, but usually only when they HAVE to.



    secondly 1.6 has been the biggest rumored top speed, now perhaps moto all of a sudden started churning out wafer and wafer of 1.8 chips(or rather wafers with ALOT of 1.8s)

    that would be strange, but it is not THAT far fetched, at least not for the g5.

    the g4 is SUPPOSED to cap out at just over 1 ghz, though there has been alot of talk of 1.2 1.4 and even 1.6....stating 1.8 seems very unreasonanble..



    also the source of this info is questionable...a secret hotline server?

    well maybe large companies use hotline, but I would think that apple would have their own peer to peer sharing/chat client/network setup.

    unless of course this was on the apple workers down time, but then why would he be in a secret apple server for hotline???



    oh well, a 1.8 ghz g5 with ddr and twin view geforce3would DEFINATLY be welcome </strong><hr></blockquote>



    If the speed difference between G4 and G5 is as great as alluded to in the rumours, then having the Pro laptop at the same clock rate as the Pro desktop wouldn't be a "problem" for Apple. After all, their margin on laptops is pretty good.



    Seeing a 1.8 GHz G4 mid-year is definitely pushing credibility, but clock rates for shipping systems are highly subject to change until just before shipping. I wouldn't read too much into it either way. The rumours have mentioned G5s clocking as high as 2.4 GHz, so if they are to be believed and the yields have been good then perhaps a 1.8 GHz G5 is possible.



    The original posting just said that it was posted by an Apple employee on a secret hotline server -- it didn't say it was an Apple hotline server. Indeed, that wouldn't make any sense at all, would it? On the other hand, people often have a need to share secrets so I wouldn't be surprised by a mole at Apple using some kind of an underground hotline server to leak out a few details. If he is one of the several hundred people in the hardware development, or QA groups then he may have seen the rollout plans for the next six months. Steve Jobs' "keep your mouths shut" email clearly demonstrates that there are people at Apple who know what they are actually building.





    My point continues to be that picking this apart is about as useless as believing in it. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
  • Reply 30 of 116
    My how the tables have turned. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
  • Reply 31 of 116
    qaziiqazii Posts: 305member
    [quote]The Apollo should be in full production by then, possibly on a smaller process. This will allow low speed (i.e. sub-GHz) G4s to run with low power/heat characteristics. I think Apple will want to move to all AltiVec enabled chips as soon as possible.

    <hr></blockquote>

    So you think that G4 ibooks are technologically practical? Even if so,

    1. I think there speed would be too close to the Tibook's for comfort if they were Apollo's, especially if we trust the posters speeds of current plus up to 200 Mhz for the Tibook.

    2.I think Apple will switch the entire line when it does...i don't think it will be selling both the iBook g3 and ibook g4 at the same time.

    However, I've been wondering what the extra space gained in the base in the iBook is used for when then screen size is increased to 14" (the base is made bigger to match, I believe). Maybe it will be used for G4 heat dissipation.

    [quote]

    He said "radeon level" which implies either the Radeon Mobility (which does exist) or the equivalent nVidia chipset (which may exist soon). Either way its not the 8500.

    <hr></blockquote>

    He said "think Radeon 2 aka 8500" so this rules out the Radeon mobility. He also specifically said it would be ATI, so that rules out the "equivalent nVidia chipset."

    [quote]

    I don't know much about the details of all the available battery technologies, but I do know that they are changing very quickly -- even within the same type of technology. In other words, not all Lithium Polymer batteries are equivalent.

    <hr></blockquote>

    True, but I really doubt that a better Lithium Polymer battery could give you a 3-4x capacity increase.
  • Reply 32 of 116
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    [quote] My gut feel is that I agree this is BS. Somebody has been reading the AI forums and decided to add to the noise (note that I'm not saying the person starting this thread made it up). Having said that though, this doesn't mean the above scenario won't come to pass (G5 skeptics not withstanding). <hr></blockquote>



    Nope, didn't make it up, just relaying info from anotehr forum. The link I got it from is above.



    [quote] unless of course this was on the apple workers down time, but then why would he be in a secret apple server for hotline???<hr></blockquote>



    It's not an Apple hotline server nor a secret, it's just a private server where I guess an Apple employee was at, according to the original poster. (private to protect the server admin from getting busted for warez, I'm sure)
  • Reply 33 of 116
    I think G5s will be here by April or May, but this source is ridiculous. Who converses with someone by spouting off future computer specs? And these specs are far too detailed to be accurate at this time. Even those in charge at Apple don't know the specifics of new systems this far in advance. The amount of RAM bundled and stuff like that usually depends on the price that Apple can get wholesale.



    The G5 speeds are believable, but the G4 speeds, no way. No chance in hell of a 1.8 GHz G4. I can believe Motorola jumping from 867 to 1.8 GHz with a new chip architecture, but not on a G4.





    What's SOI give a chip, 20-30% increase in MHz? A 30% increase from 867 MHz would be 1.1 GHz.



    But I do think G5 powermacs are on the way. I just doubt the validity of this particular rumor. My bet is on for this having been concocted up inside someone's head, based on the info they read at rumor sites.
  • Reply 34 of 116
    qaziiqazii Posts: 305member
    [quote]Originally posted by Alexander:

    <strong>



    No, the TiBook uses cylindrical Lithium Ion cells. The iPod uses a flat rectangular Lithium polymer cell. I remember reading that they wanted to get Lithium polymer into the TiBook, but it didn't happen. (I've seen the X-rays.)



    That part, at least, is plausible.



    Alex</strong><hr></blockquote>



    You're right, the Tibook does use Lithium ion batteries. However, I doubt that they could manage 8-12 hours even with Apollos and Lithium polymer cells.
  • Reply 35 of 116
    <a href="http://www.macworld.com/2000/01/news/motorola.html"; target="_blank">http://www.macworld.com/2000/01/news/motorola.html</a>;



    A MacWorld story on the state of the PowerPC back in 1/2000. This is right after the entire fiasco of the downshift in speed of the G4. Even at that point, Motorola was talking about a G5 and trying to cut it's losses on the G4 line.



    There is hope... very little but there is some.
  • Reply 36 of 116
    guess i'll be selling my new iMac LCD 800 MHz superdrive in march for that bottom line PM <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />



    $1699 for all that? hope it's true for my pro friends here (and the gamers), but doesn't seem likely...guess we'll know in 2 months...maybe i can just get a apple for every room in the house...
  • Reply 37 of 116
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    [quote]Originally posted by nagha:

    <strong><a href="http://www.macworld.com/2000/01/news/motorola.html"; target="_blank">http://www.macworld.com/2000/01/news/motorola.html</a>;



    A MacWorld story on the state of the PowerPC back in 1/2000. This is right after the entire fiasco of the downshift in speed of the G4. Even at that point, Motorola was talking about a G5 and trying to cut it's losses on the G4 line.



    There is hope... very little but there is some.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    It said Moto planned to have the G5 at 2ghz 2 years from then, Jan 1st 2000. So it's been 2 years, and I won't even be greedy and ask for 2.0ghz, just a 1.5ghz as long as it's a G5
  • Reply 38 of 116
    <strong> [quote]

    He said "think Radeon 2 aka 8500" so this rules out the Radeon mobility. He also specifically said it would be ATI, so that rules out the "equivalent nVidia chipset."

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Quite right, I missed that. The "radeon level" was in reference to the iBook upgrade. Hmmm... well I'm sure a Radeon2 Mobility will arrive eventually, but based on ATI's track record I'm skeptical about a summer release.





    JD's comment about the spec's being overly accurate would be true if the release date was April or May, but this claims a late Feb intro date, and that's only a month away which is not unreasonable. So at least it is self-consistent, if not entirely convincing.



    [ 01-21-2002: Message edited by: Programmer ]</p>
  • Reply 39 of 116
    sc_marktsc_markt Posts: 1,397member
    I'd be happy with a 1.1GHz G5 with DDR.



    - Mark
  • Reply 40 of 116
    qaziiqazii Posts: 305member
    [quote]Originally posted by Programmer:

    <strong>So at least it is self-consistent, if not entirely convincing. </strong><hr></blockquote>



    You think it's self consistant? What about this?

    [quote]<strong>

    anon: TiBook will get USB 2.0 and POSSIBLE speed bump (.2 gig each model)

    </strong>

    anon: As for the TiBook, it has not been forgotten either.

    anon:

    anon: It WILL NOT HAVE A G5.

    anon: It WILL break 1 gig with the G4.

    anon: Graphics will be enhanced with more RAM but will STILL BE ATI (think Radeon 2 aka 8500)

    anon: Same size configurations and look

    anon: NEW batterey technology, based on same tech used in iPod. LONGER run time (8 to 12 hours from tests)

    anon: 3 configurations.

    anon: 1.0, 1.4 and 1.8 G4 at same price points. It WILL have Firewire 2.0 (Gigawire) and USB 1.0, and airport.

    <hr></blockquote>

    Look at the part I have bolded versus that which I have left plain.
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