If AT&T wins this, I predict someone at VZ will be loosing their job, not good press to attack the competition with bad facts and have the courts come down on you.
I like the way Andy Inhatko put it on MacBreak weekly. People don't care if they have great coverage in Utah, they care if they have it at home and at the office. I've been very pleased with my coverage here in East Tennessee, even when all I had was edge. It was never very painful to use. But then our networks probably aren't as saturated as a lot of areas are.
You can blame it on the American education system.
Before Alltel was bought up by Verizon, Alltel's network is actually geographically larger than Verizon's (as measured by square miles). It's miles and miles of corn field.
If AT&T wins this, I predict someone at VZ will be loosing their job, not good press to attack the competition with bad facts and have the courts come down on you.
Except ATT isn't disputing Verizon's facts. They are saying the facts are misleading...and expecting courts, who are supposed to be finders-of-fact, to ignore the facts.
If ATT wins, I predict a LOT of other lawsuits being filed against a lot of other companies under the guise of "the facts are misleading" and citing ATT's lawsuit as precedence.
If AT&T wins this, I predict someone at VZ will be loosing their job, not good press to attack the competition with bad facts and have the courts come down on you.
Facts are facts --- geographically Verizon's coverage is really 5x as large as AT&T's. Only that Verizon is covering most of them in Alltel territory --- miles and miles of corn field in the midwest.
Don't need to worry about bad press later on --- Verizon already got all the christmas sales right now.
The misleading part is how friggin' slow the "3G" coverage in the vast majority of Verizon's network is, since anything CDMA is considered "3G"... even if it's the dog-slow 1xRTT. Only the EVDO-ehanced areas compare to the 3G of the iPhone (and from my experience, Verizon's EVDO is faster than AT&T's 3G). In most places without the EV ehancements, EDGE is faster than the Verizon "3G". (Which is pretty sad.)
I'm not an AT&T fan by any means, but sheesh, Verizon is reeeeeealy stretching the truth here. A huge chunk of their "3G" network is pretty much just "2.5G" just like EDGE.
This is because VZ throttles their data connection to the phones unless you pay $79 a months for one of those USB broadband modem cards to plug into your laptop. Also VZ will not allow you to tether your phone to your computer.
Facts are facts --- geographically Verizon's coverage is really 5x as large as AT&T's. Only that Verizon is covering most of them in Alltel territory --- miles and miles of corn field in the midwest.
Don't need to worry about bad press later on --- Verizon already got all the christmas sales right now.
Exactly!!!
How can you sue for something like this? It's your own coverage map...if you goto AT&T and look at their coverage map it's overlayed so it doesn't look so pathetic. If you are interested in 3G coverage and specifically look at ONLY 3G coverage AT&T has very little.
They should have just taken a screen shot from AT&Ts website so there was no room for discussion.
Sorry folks. IMHO, the iPhone walking through the snow, leads ME to believe the iPhone isn't as good a phone.
My attention is on the object, not the words being said. Don't forget, this is the Land of misfits, not misfit service. If they really want the service area / type to be the focus, they need to have the map go walking through the snow ? IMHO.
I have several friends who DON'T have iPhones, who pretty much thought the same thing when they saw the commercial for the first time. As a matter of fact, a few of them called to rub it in, saying "Hey, I guess that damn phone from Apple isn't all that great after all."
Remember, it's what folks think that counts.
YES the ad's are great, and kudo's to the creator, but Im afraid they DO paint the iPhone in somewhat of a negative light.
Facts are facts --- geographically Verizon's coverage is really 5x as large as AT&T's. Only that Verizon is covering most of them in Alltel territory --- miles and miles of corn field in the midwest.
Don't need to worry about bad press later on --- Verizon already got all the christmas sales right now.
Actually what VZ is doing is tying to make people believe that you believe the iphone will not work in most of the US, which is not true at all, it may not get 3G speed but you still get data. We travel all over the US and never once did we not have data coverage for the iphone. Like others we got spotty reception but but that is an issue of GSM not AT&T. Also, I can tell we sat next to people with their crackberries and watch them no get data at all , but they could still talk.
So VZ is making it look like unless you are in the blue zone you can pretty much write off the iphone which is not true and has not been wife and my experience.
I pretty much false advertising, Since they are making claims about AT&T which they can not back up.
This is because VZ throttles their data connection to the phones unless you pay $79 a months for one of those USB broadband modem cards to plug into your laptop. Also VZ will not allow you to tether your phone to your computer.
It less about throttling and more about phone's browser/CPU. The connection is faster than the CPU and the browser.
The ad only mentions 3G, I don't get the complaint even though I am an iPhone user and AT&T user (where I get coverage lol). I guess I get the inference that you can't use the iPhone outside of the red area ... Verizon are overstepping there. For our annual summer stay at our home in the mountains I had to use Edge the entire time but it worked ... sort of.
Verizon clearly states in dialogue and in text that they are comparing 3G and nothing else. I don?t think AT&T has a case.
PS: 3GPP and the ITU first efined EDGE as a 3G technology, though still part of the GSM family. However, AT&T has never defined it as such making clear that they are marketing their WCDMA network as 3G. They have no case as far I can see.
I believe you're mistaken. In the previous AI article it was established that that wasn't the case.
EVDO also include Rev. 0 which is much slower then Rev. A. I think Samab is correct that their map is all EVDO. What other CDMA2000 coverage would it be besides EVDO?
Actually what VZ is doing is tying to make people believe that you believe the iphone will not work in most of the US, which is not true at all, it may not get 3G speed but you still get data. We travel all over the US and never once did we not have data coverage for the iphone. Like others we got spotty reception but but that is an issue of GSM not AT&T. Also, I can tell we sat next to people with their crackberries and watch them no get data at all , but they could still talk.
So VZ is making it look like unless you are in the blue zone you can pretty much write off the iphone which is not true and has not been wife and my experience.
I pretty much false advertising, Since they are making claims about AT&T which they can not back up.
2G iphone is also frustratingly slow on the EDGE network.
If you think you are smart enough to buy a smart phone, you should be smart enough to know that there are miles and miles of corn fields in the midwest.
EVDO also include Rev. 0 which is much slower then Rev. A. I think Samab is correct that their map is all EVDO. What other CDMA2000 coverage would it be besides EVDO?
There is no legacy ev-do rev 0 network anymore --- Verizon finished their rev A overlay in 2007. So ALL the 3G coverage shown in red is ev-do rev A coverage.
The ads are misleading. But without concrete proof of actual lies or deception, AT&T isn't going to win this one.
I think it's time AT&T put the smack down with some ads of their own, showing their total coverage, and maybe speed comparisons. You only have a few seconds to show and convince consumers of what you have to say.
The ads are misleading. But without concrete proof of actual lies or deception, AT&T isn't going to win this one.
I think it's time AT&T put the smack down with some ads of their own, showing their total coverage, and maybe speed comparisons. You only have a few seconds to show and convince consumers of what you have to say.
You CAN'T show a difference when Verizon's 3G average speed is 600-1400 kbps and AT&T's 3G average speed is 700-1700 kbps.
The ads are misleading. But without concrete proof of actual lies or deception, AT&T isn't going to win this one.
I think it's time AT&T put the smack down with some ads of their own, showing their total coverage, and maybe speed comparisons. You only have a few seconds to show and convince consumers of what you have to say.
Real speed comparison? Verizon advertised their 3G speed as 600 kbps - 1400 kbps (middle point is 1000 kbps) AT&T advertised their 3G speed as 700 kbps - 1700 kbps (middle point is 1200 kbps).
Yes but not all of it is the fasterEV-Do coverage, some is the 1x revision which is similar to ATT's Edge Network. Verizon is mostly old outdated technology and it would be like ATT still advertising their analog network and saying they have a bigger network that Verizon, because they would if they did that. I mean come on these ad's are so incorrect it is not even funny and ATT has every right to protect themselves from outright lies on Television. I also agree Verizon has a lot of dead zones in Northern California where I have ATT coverage, so whats this crap about. Just look at the article if you actually compare the real 3G networks Verizon has 1.24 times the size of ATT that's nothing, and Verizon needs to disclose these facts and show ATT's real network, not lie and provide false graphics to viewers out there who mostly have no clue what 3G even is. Verizon's network is exactly comparable to AT&T and with HSDPA coming out on AT&T and both of them moving to LTE the AT&T network will be a much better network in the next year or so then verizon will be at that point, AT&T is investing billions into their network and verizon while nothing so far, maybe going to LTE in like 3 years!!!
ATT should improve their coverage. My father lives 20 miles from Manchester, NH, and there is zero AT&T service for more than half the drive there. None. Not 3G, not 2.5G... nothing. VZ, on the other hand, has full 3G service.
I love my iphone, but I can't stand the network. I live in Portland, ME - not a suburb or anything, but the city itself - and I routinely drop calls, get phantom voicemails, and the 3G speeds are horrible. I feel like Peter in Office Space watching the guy with the walker beating him in traffic.
I'm usually a huge Apple fanboi. I'm like an automaton doing Steve's bidding and buying whatever he tells me to, but I'm sorry AI columnists, this is just one cup of kool aid I won't drink. AT&T's network is terrible, VZ's is superior in 3G coverage and availability, and I don't care about the number of people covered, I care about WHERE they're covered.
The concept of having a "mobile phone" is that you're supposed to be mobile! I've had call retention issues in every city I've traveled with this. Oh, and if you want to take a cross-country drive, get a throw-away VZ phone, because ATT is just plain blank in a huge chunk of the West.
I do love my iPhone, it's wonderful, but it doesn't mean I have to like the network it's forced to be attached to. So, Steve still gets my love points because I know it's not his fault.
Yes but not all of it is the fasterEV-Do coverage, some is the 1x revision which is similar to ATT's Edge Network. Verizon is mostly old outdated technology and it would be like ATT still advertising their analog network and saying they have a bigger network that Verizon, because they would if they did that. I mean come on these ad's are so incorrect it is not even funny and ATT has every right to protect themselves from outright lies on Television. I also agree Verizon has a lot of dead zones in Northern California where I have ATT coverage, so whats this crap about. Just look at the article if you actually compare the real 3G networks Verizon has 1.24 times the size of ATT that's nothing, and Verizon needs to disclose these facts and show ATT's real network, not lie and provide false graphics to viewers out there who mostly have no clue what 3G even is. Verizon's network is exactly comparable to AT&T and with HSDPA coming out on AT&T and both of them moving to LTE the AT&T network will be a much better network in the next year or so then verizon will be at that point, AT&T is investing billions into their network and verizon while nothing so far, maybe going to LTE in like 3 years!!!
Prince McLean is wrong on all the information on his article.
All the RED area shown on the Verizon commercial are ev-do rev A coverage --- 600-1400 kbps average download speed, 3.1 mbps peak max download speed.
The only thing you can say is that Verizon's 3G coverage --- covers a lot of corn fields in the midwest where there are more cows than humans.
Sorry Verizon. You can make all the clever ads you want.
I left you for AT&T because they have the iPhone.
They still do, and you don't. Sorry Verizon.
Agreed. Hmmm, do I spend most of my time driving all over the place to see where I get data coverage? No, I spend most of my time using the awesome multitude of apps that are available for my iPhone!!! My battery life is awesome, the apps are awesome, & I don't have to pull my battery on a daily basis! (My BlackBerry needed a battery removal daily & would die before I even got off work).
Whatever the coverage is on their maps all I know is I no longer loose calls when sitting at my office desk & I have great signal in my home! That was not true with Verizon.
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Sorry Verizon. You can make all the clever ads you want.
I left you for AT&T because they have the iPhone.
They still do, and you don't. Sorry Verizon.
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Feel the force of the 3G coverage you must.
Do you scratch you iPhone's screen much- with your claws and all of that?
touché
I like the way Andy Inhatko put it on MacBreak weekly. People don't care if they have great coverage in Utah, they care if they have it at home and at the office. I've been very pleased with my coverage here in East Tennessee, even when all I had was edge. It was never very painful to use. But then our networks probably aren't as saturated as a lot of areas are.
You can blame it on the American education system.
Before Alltel was bought up by Verizon, Alltel's network is actually geographically larger than Verizon's (as measured by square miles). It's miles and miles of corn field.
If AT&T wins this, I predict someone at VZ will be loosing their job, not good press to attack the competition with bad facts and have the courts come down on you.
Except ATT isn't disputing Verizon's facts. They are saying the facts are misleading...and expecting courts, who are supposed to be finders-of-fact, to ignore the facts.
If ATT wins, I predict a LOT of other lawsuits being filed against a lot of other companies under the guise of "the facts are misleading" and citing ATT's lawsuit as precedence.
If AT&T wins this, I predict someone at VZ will be loosing their job, not good press to attack the competition with bad facts and have the courts come down on you.
Facts are facts --- geographically Verizon's coverage is really 5x as large as AT&T's. Only that Verizon is covering most of them in Alltel territory --- miles and miles of corn field in the midwest.
Don't need to worry about bad press later on --- Verizon already got all the christmas sales right now.
The misleading part is how friggin' slow the "3G" coverage in the vast majority of Verizon's network is, since anything CDMA is considered "3G"... even if it's the dog-slow 1xRTT. Only the EVDO-ehanced areas compare to the 3G of the iPhone (and from my experience, Verizon's EVDO is faster than AT&T's 3G). In most places without the EV ehancements, EDGE is faster than the Verizon "3G". (Which is pretty sad.)
I'm not an AT&T fan by any means, but sheesh, Verizon is reeeeeealy stretching the truth here. A huge chunk of their "3G" network is pretty much just "2.5G" just like EDGE.
This is because VZ throttles their data connection to the phones unless you pay $79 a months for one of those USB broadband modem cards to plug into your laptop. Also VZ will not allow you to tether your phone to your computer.
Facts are facts --- geographically Verizon's coverage is really 5x as large as AT&T's. Only that Verizon is covering most of them in Alltel territory --- miles and miles of corn field in the midwest.
Don't need to worry about bad press later on --- Verizon already got all the christmas sales right now.
Exactly!!!
How can you sue for something like this? It's your own coverage map...if you goto AT&T and look at their coverage map it's overlayed so it doesn't look so pathetic. If you are interested in 3G coverage and specifically look at ONLY 3G coverage AT&T has very little.
They should have just taken a screen shot from AT&Ts website so there was no room for discussion.
My attention is on the object, not the words being said. Don't forget, this is the Land of misfits, not misfit service. If they really want the service area / type to be the focus, they need to have the map go walking through the snow ? IMHO.
I have several friends who DON'T have iPhones, who pretty much thought the same thing when they saw the commercial for the first time. As a matter of fact, a few of them called to rub it in, saying "Hey, I guess that damn phone from Apple isn't all that great after all."
Remember, it's what folks think that counts.
YES the ad's are great, and kudo's to the creator, but Im afraid they DO paint the iPhone in somewhat of a negative light.
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Facts are facts --- geographically Verizon's coverage is really 5x as large as AT&T's. Only that Verizon is covering most of them in Alltel territory --- miles and miles of corn field in the midwest.
Don't need to worry about bad press later on --- Verizon already got all the christmas sales right now.
Actually what VZ is doing is tying to make people believe that you believe the iphone will not work in most of the US, which is not true at all, it may not get 3G speed but you still get data. We travel all over the US and never once did we not have data coverage for the iphone. Like others we got spotty reception but but that is an issue of GSM not AT&T. Also, I can tell we sat next to people with their crackberries and watch them no get data at all , but they could still talk.
So VZ is making it look like unless you are in the blue zone you can pretty much write off the iphone which is not true and has not been wife and my experience.
I pretty much false advertising, Since they are making claims about AT&T which they can not back up.
This is because VZ throttles their data connection to the phones unless you pay $79 a months for one of those USB broadband modem cards to plug into your laptop. Also VZ will not allow you to tether your phone to your computer.
It less about throttling and more about phone's browser/CPU. The connection is faster than the CPU and the browser.
The ad only mentions 3G, I don't get the complaint even though I am an iPhone user and AT&T user (where I get coverage lol). I guess I get the inference that you can't use the iPhone outside of the red area ... Verizon are overstepping there. For our annual summer stay at our home in the mountains I had to use Edge the entire time but it worked ... sort of.
Verizon clearly states in dialogue and in text that they are comparing 3G and nothing else. I don?t think AT&T has a case.
PS: 3GPP and the ITU first efined EDGE as a 3G technology, though still part of the GSM family. However, AT&T has never defined it as such making clear that they are marketing their WCDMA network as 3G. They have no case as far I can see.
I believe you're mistaken. In the previous AI article it was established that that wasn't the case.
EVDO also include Rev. 0 which is much slower then Rev. A. I think Samab is correct that their map is all EVDO. What other CDMA2000 coverage would it be besides EVDO?
Actually what VZ is doing is tying to make people believe that you believe the iphone will not work in most of the US, which is not true at all, it may not get 3G speed but you still get data. We travel all over the US and never once did we not have data coverage for the iphone. Like others we got spotty reception but but that is an issue of GSM not AT&T. Also, I can tell we sat next to people with their crackberries and watch them no get data at all , but they could still talk.
So VZ is making it look like unless you are in the blue zone you can pretty much write off the iphone which is not true and has not been wife and my experience.
I pretty much false advertising, Since they are making claims about AT&T which they can not back up.
2G iphone is also frustratingly slow on the EDGE network.
If you think you are smart enough to buy a smart phone, you should be smart enough to know that there are miles and miles of corn fields in the midwest.
EVDO also include Rev. 0 which is much slower then Rev. A. I think Samab is correct that their map is all EVDO. What other CDMA2000 coverage would it be besides EVDO?
There is no legacy ev-do rev 0 network anymore --- Verizon finished their rev A overlay in 2007. So ALL the 3G coverage shown in red is ev-do rev A coverage.
I think it's time AT&T put the smack down with some ads of their own, showing their total coverage, and maybe speed comparisons. You only have a few seconds to show and convince consumers of what you have to say.
The ads are misleading. But without concrete proof of actual lies or deception, AT&T isn't going to win this one.
I think it's time AT&T put the smack down with some ads of their own, showing their total coverage, and maybe speed comparisons. You only have a few seconds to show and convince consumers of what you have to say.
You CAN'T show a difference when Verizon's 3G average speed is 600-1400 kbps and AT&T's 3G average speed is 700-1700 kbps.
The ads are misleading. But without concrete proof of actual lies or deception, AT&T isn't going to win this one.
I think it's time AT&T put the smack down with some ads of their own, showing their total coverage, and maybe speed comparisons. You only have a few seconds to show and convince consumers of what you have to say.
Here comes blogger guy to the rescue!
All the red area is EV-DO coverage.
Real speed comparison? Verizon advertised their 3G speed as 600 kbps - 1400 kbps (middle point is 1000 kbps) AT&T advertised their 3G speed as 700 kbps - 1700 kbps (middle point is 1200 kbps).
Yes but not all of it is the fasterEV-Do coverage, some is the 1x revision which is similar to ATT's Edge Network. Verizon is mostly old outdated technology and it would be like ATT still advertising their analog network and saying they have a bigger network that Verizon, because they would if they did that. I mean come on these ad's are so incorrect it is not even funny and ATT has every right to protect themselves from outright lies on Television. I also agree Verizon has a lot of dead zones in Northern California where I have ATT coverage, so whats this crap about. Just look at the article if you actually compare the real 3G networks Verizon has 1.24 times the size of ATT that's nothing, and Verizon needs to disclose these facts and show ATT's real network, not lie and provide false graphics to viewers out there who mostly have no clue what 3G even is. Verizon's network is exactly comparable to AT&T and with HSDPA coming out on AT&T and both of them moving to LTE the AT&T network will be a much better network in the next year or so then verizon will be at that point, AT&T is investing billions into their network and verizon while nothing so far, maybe going to LTE in like 3 years!!!
I love my iphone, but I can't stand the network. I live in Portland, ME - not a suburb or anything, but the city itself - and I routinely drop calls, get phantom voicemails, and the 3G speeds are horrible. I feel like Peter in Office Space watching the guy with the walker beating him in traffic.
I'm usually a huge Apple fanboi. I'm like an automaton doing Steve's bidding and buying whatever he tells me to, but I'm sorry AI columnists, this is just one cup of kool aid I won't drink. AT&T's network is terrible, VZ's is superior in 3G coverage and availability, and I don't care about the number of people covered, I care about WHERE they're covered.
The concept of having a "mobile phone" is that you're supposed to be mobile! I've had call retention issues in every city I've traveled with this. Oh, and if you want to take a cross-country drive, get a throw-away VZ phone, because ATT is just plain blank in a huge chunk of the West.
I do love my iPhone, it's wonderful, but it doesn't mean I have to like the network it's forced to be attached to. So, Steve still gets my love points because I know it's not his fault.
Yes but not all of it is the fasterEV-Do coverage, some is the 1x revision which is similar to ATT's Edge Network. Verizon is mostly old outdated technology and it would be like ATT still advertising their analog network and saying they have a bigger network that Verizon, because they would if they did that. I mean come on these ad's are so incorrect it is not even funny and ATT has every right to protect themselves from outright lies on Television. I also agree Verizon has a lot of dead zones in Northern California where I have ATT coverage, so whats this crap about. Just look at the article if you actually compare the real 3G networks Verizon has 1.24 times the size of ATT that's nothing, and Verizon needs to disclose these facts and show ATT's real network, not lie and provide false graphics to viewers out there who mostly have no clue what 3G even is. Verizon's network is exactly comparable to AT&T and with HSDPA coming out on AT&T and both of them moving to LTE the AT&T network will be a much better network in the next year or so then verizon will be at that point, AT&T is investing billions into their network and verizon while nothing so far, maybe going to LTE in like 3 years!!!
Prince McLean is wrong on all the information on his article.
All the RED area shown on the Verizon commercial are ev-do rev A coverage --- 600-1400 kbps average download speed, 3.1 mbps peak max download speed.
The only thing you can say is that Verizon's 3G coverage --- covers a lot of corn fields in the midwest where there are more cows than humans.
Sorry Verizon. You can make all the clever ads you want.
I left you for AT&T because they have the iPhone.
They still do, and you don't. Sorry Verizon.
Agreed. Hmmm, do I spend most of my time driving all over the place to see where I get data coverage? No, I spend most of my time using the awesome multitude of apps that are available for my iPhone!!! My battery life is awesome, the apps are awesome, & I don't have to pull my battery on a daily basis! (My BlackBerry needed a battery removal daily & would die before I even got off work).
Whatever the coverage is on their maps all I know is I no longer loose calls when sitting at my office desk & I have great signal in my home! That was not true with Verizon.