Except that MS has completely lost control of the Premium end of the market. MS can sell substatially more PCs to an ever-expanding bottom market while Apple continues to dominate the $1000+ segment. And the Premium end continues to expand.
Actually, Microsoft never had any control over what end of the Windows PC market it will dominate because they don't sell PCs. They sell an OS which by its nature costs the same whether it's installed in a $350 POS or a $2000 gaming rig. What's driving Windows into becoming the OS for the bottom end is the intense competition among the PC makers. The only way Microsoft can establish an upmarket presence is to get the PC manufacturers to stop competing on prices --which will summon the antitrust dogs faster than you can boot up Windows 7.
So Windows is destined to inhabit the lower-priced, low-margin* end of the market and Apple would be foolish to listen to people who are advocating that they extend their product reach downwards into Windows territory. Why would they want to do that when they have the very lucrative luxe end of the market all to themselves?
*That would be low-margin for the PC maker, not MS.
1) The entry level 13? MBP was the best selling notebook yet Apple had just released the new unibody MB with same specs as the entry level MBP (in fact it had a larger HDD). The difference of $250 (with upgrade HDD) would still have pushed to the entry-level MBP but I?m still surprised the new MBs didn?t fair better. Maybe their up-selling is working out for them.
2) The 13? MBP took first place among all notebooks. Even if this doesn?t include netbooks there are still a lot $400 notebooks out there. Then again they change model numbers as often as Teckstud changes what he ?meant? to say. November should prove to be a very different story with Win7.
3) What was at positions number 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 for notebooks?
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I'd be totally impressed if this means in terms of dollars. More impressed if it's units. But couldn't tell from the story which it is for sure. Anyone?
It?s units because they referred to best selling machines per category.
It?s units because they referred to best selling machines per category.
I'm still impressed but after thinking about it for more than 5 seconds I guess pc sales are spread across so many models it's not as direct a comparison as I was thinking. Still, just to outsell whatever Dell sells the most is impressive.
This is totally unsurprising as the new iMac was just release and PCs were winding down for Windows 7. Of course fanboys and stockholders will spin and spin it.
I'm still impressed but after thinking about it for more than 5 seconds I guess pc sales are spread across so many models it's not as direct a comparison as I was thinking. Still, just to outsell whatever Dell sells the most is impressive.
If current trends continue we?ll see Apple outpace Dell in unit sales and MS in market cap within a few years. Of course, so many things could change in that time.
I love how people are trying to spin this as negative/not impressive.
Surely with Microsoft's huge market share (and Apple's figures, which let's face it, are a rounding error), even a weeks worth of sales of the new Windows 7 PCs would have beaten Apple off first place.
I love how people are trying to spin this as negative/not impressive.
Surely with Microsoft's huge market share (and Apple's figures, which let's face it, are a rounding error), even a weeks worth of sales of the new Windows 7 PCs would have beaten Apple off first place.
Actually there was a story last week that the windows 7 installed base has already surpassed the entire Mac installed base
last Friday closing price was about $200.. $7 out of $200 is 10%?! excellent math skills if I might say. Beside, how much the stock moves within a week or so is irrelevant since the long term trend is up. As long as Apple keep breaking their sales records the stock will take care of itself in the long run.
You're right I was looking at the 52 week high. Guess I will have to wait until the end of next week to comment that is dropped 10%. Whats another week.
Right or wrong at this point, it?s gonna happen, just as Windows 7 will eventually surpass Dell, HP and everyone else?s PC installed base.
I honestly don?t get why an OS that is sold specifically for a PC brand is being compared to an OS that is being sold to every PC brand, even Macs. Sure, it sounds impressive until you think about for a nanosecond. I?d use this for market reasons to combat the widely successful Get A Mac ads but for people on this forum who are tech hobbyists and professionals it simply makes no sense.
You're right I was looking at the 52 week high. Guess I will have to wait until the end of next week to comment that is dropped 10%. Whats another week.
Hopefully enough time to to learn how the stock market works. Getting fearful of a drop or excited about a climb is silly.
Two adages worth knowing…
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The market is run on fear and greed.
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You never make or lose money in the market until you sell.
The usual black marketing by microsoft, it's always shit shit shit, lies lies lies with these guys. It's embarrassing. And their various offspring commenting all over the internet...will they for just one minute stop talking out of their anuses for a change. Sure there's a lot of $$$ at stake, but just for one moment they should just give it a rest.
Right or wrong at this point, it’s gonna happen, just as Windows 7 will eventually surpass Dell, HP and everyone else’s PC installed base.
I honestly don’t get why an OS that is sold specifically for a PC brand is being compared to an OS that is being sold to every PC brand, even Macs. Sure, it sounds impressive until you think about for a nanosecond. I’d use this for market reasons to combat the widely successful Get A Mac ads but for people on this forum who are tech hobbyists and professionals it simply makes no sense.
The question is how long it will take Windows 7 to surpass XP not Mac OS.
In my opinion XP is causing MS many problems. Personally, there are 2 of 3 professional engineering programs I use still not compatible with Windows 7 therefore I am still stuck with XP (XP virtual mode won't work on Parallels).
The question is how long it will take Windows 7 to surpass XP not Mac OS
That is a good point and viable metric worth measuring. Good news for Windows 7 is that IE 8 has now surpassed IE 7. The funny thing that IE 6 is still has pole position though I’d be surprised if that doesn’t change by the January results.
Now if you had matte too - you would have sold even more.
edit : (I thought this was for November- that is the month that should tell much more).
Anti-Glare is available on more models now then every previously: 15" & 17" MacBook Pro and it remains available on the 30" monitor. Matte has a very limited use - print output exclusively. There is no equal under 5k that matches the 30" Apple Cinema Display. The 15" & 17" are great field substitutes.
The iMac has never been a professional workstation - though now it serves the video pro-end with the Quad Core - because there is far greater demand for video output versus print.
Apple imagine how your sales would have sky rocketed if with minimum effort you could include a matte / anti glare option, that about 50% or more people seem to be so keen on by most accounts.
AMEN to that brother!
Did you know I'm directly responsible for Steve bringing back the 15" matte MacBook Pro?
Yes sir, got in touch with him the weekend of the Monday he returned to Cupertino from his surgery. (how I did it is extremely classified as it involves the mans privacy and I promised to respect that)
He got out the matte 15" MacBook Pro a few weeks later. That's no sh*t neither.
Thank you Steve!
I just hoped he placed a nice shoe mark on Phil's "our customers love glossy" behind.
And I do so much like Phil too, but it's his job to be the marketing man and say something is great even when it's not, met him at the Miami Apple Store and we talked while I bought my PowerMac G5 so long ago. They still had those plastic screens then.
The reason I'm telling you this is because LCD makers have a cartel (just ask Nokia) and perhaps they are all colluding on not only on prices, but not including matte films on their screens anymore because it's a added expense and process. Why the matte option is $50 more perhaps?
Blame HP for bringing on glossy screens, they started this shiny screen business. Frigging printer people don't know squat about computers.
Getting matte screens may become impossible shortly, but what Apple COULD DO is sell matte film applied Mac's next to the glossy ones. If the customer wants a matte machine, the folks in the backroom could apply the film to a glossy machine before handing it over to the customer. This way Apple doesn't lose making too many of the wrong kind and doesn't lose a sale when the customer walks out because the only thing they saw on the screen was their ugly faces (or the overhead lights)
It's perhaps the best solution, as Apple is heavily dependent upon the PC market for parts.
I would tell Steve of this solution, but I promised. So you keep on petitioning, he is reading MacMatte finding out that it's the MacBooks especially that people are complaining about the lack of a matte option as notebooks are constantly moved to various enviroments where glare is uncontolled.
Perhaps maybe, computer makers via customers demand will force LCD makers back to the matte camp enough so there is enough supply for both options and a fair price.
I think Steve wants matte back too, he is nearsighted so he understands the problem people have with the glare, just he might be held hostage by the cheap LCD makers for the cheap PC market.
You're right I was looking at the 52 week high. Guess I will have to wait until the end of next week to comment that is dropped 10%. Whats another week.
And, if it doesn't by the end of next Friday, can you just go away with tail between legs? Thanks.
Getting matte screens may become impossible shortly, but what Apple COULD DO is sell matte film applied Mac's next to the glossy ones. If the customer wants a matte machine, the folks in the backroom could apply the film to a glossy machine before handing it over to the customer. This way Apple doesn't lose making too many of the wrong kind and doesn't lose a sale when the customer walks out because the only thing they saw on the screen was their ugly faces (or the overhead lights)
I've heard good things about Moshi iVisor AG for MB/MBP. Skim through this video. It looks easy to install and it is less than $50.
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Except that MS has completely lost control of the Premium end of the market. MS can sell substatially more PCs to an ever-expanding bottom market while Apple continues to dominate the $1000+ segment. And the Premium end continues to expand.
Actually, Microsoft never had any control over what end of the Windows PC market it will dominate because they don't sell PCs. They sell an OS which by its nature costs the same whether it's installed in a $350 POS or a $2000 gaming rig. What's driving Windows into becoming the OS for the bottom end is the intense competition among the PC makers. The only way Microsoft can establish an upmarket presence is to get the PC manufacturers to stop competing on prices --which will summon the antitrust dogs faster than you can boot up Windows 7.
So Windows is destined to inhabit the lower-priced, low-margin* end of the market and Apple would be foolish to listen to people who are advocating that they extend their product reach downwards into Windows territory. Why would they want to do that when they have the very lucrative luxe end of the market all to themselves?
*That would be low-margin for the PC maker, not MS.
Nice work, Apple. But hardly surprising.
I find it somewhat surprising.
1) The entry level 13? MBP was the best selling notebook yet Apple had just released the new unibody MB with same specs as the entry level MBP (in fact it had a larger HDD). The difference of $250 (with upgrade HDD) would still have pushed to the entry-level MBP but I?m still surprised the new MBs didn?t fair better. Maybe their up-selling is working out for them.
2) The 13? MBP took first place among all notebooks. Even if this doesn?t include netbooks there are still a lot $400 notebooks out there. Then again they change model numbers as often as Teckstud changes what he ?meant? to say. November should prove to be a very different story with Win7.
3) What was at positions number 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 for notebooks?
I'd be totally impressed if this means in terms of dollars. More impressed if it's units. But couldn't tell from the story which it is for sure. Anyone?
It?s units because they referred to best selling machines per category.
It?s units because they referred to best selling machines per category.
I'm still impressed but after thinking about it for more than 5 seconds I guess pc sales are spread across so many models it's not as direct a comparison as I was thinking. Still, just to outsell whatever Dell sells the most is impressive.
I'm still impressed but after thinking about it for more than 5 seconds I guess pc sales are spread across so many models it's not as direct a comparison as I was thinking. Still, just to outsell whatever Dell sells the most is impressive.
If current trends continue we?ll see Apple outpace Dell in unit sales and MS in market cap within a few years. Of course, so many things could change in that time.
Surely with Microsoft's huge market share (and Apple's figures, which let's face it, are a rounding error), even a weeks worth of sales of the new Windows 7 PCs would have beaten Apple off first place.
I love how people are trying to spin this as negative/not impressive.
Surely with Microsoft's huge market share (and Apple's figures, which let's face it, are a rounding error), even a weeks worth of sales of the new Windows 7 PCs would have beaten Apple off first place.
Actually there was a story last week that the windows 7 installed base has already surpassed the entire Mac installed base
Actually there was a story last week that the windows 7 installed base has already surpassed the entire Mac installed base
Yes, but it was wrong.
last Friday closing price was about $200.. $7 out of $200 is 10%?! excellent math skills if I might say. Beside, how much the stock moves within a week or so is irrelevant since the long term trend is up. As long as Apple keep breaking their sales records the stock will take care of itself in the long run.
You're right I was looking at the 52 week high. Guess I will have to wait until the end of next week to comment that is dropped 10%. Whats another week.
Actually there was a story last week that the windows 7 installed base has already surpassed the entire Mac installed base
Yes, but it was wrong.
Right or wrong at this point, it?s gonna happen, just as Windows 7 will eventually surpass Dell, HP and everyone else?s PC installed base.
I honestly don?t get why an OS that is sold specifically for a PC brand is being compared to an OS that is being sold to every PC brand, even Macs. Sure, it sounds impressive until you think about for a nanosecond. I?d use this for market reasons to combat the widely successful Get A Mac ads but for people on this forum who are tech hobbyists and professionals it simply makes no sense.
You're right I was looking at the 52 week high. Guess I will have to wait until the end of next week to comment that is dropped 10%. Whats another week.
Hopefully enough time to to learn how the stock market works. Getting fearful of a drop or excited about a climb is silly.
Two adages worth knowing…
The market is run on fear and greed.
You never make or lose money in the market until you sell.
Yes, but it was wrong.
The usual black marketing by microsoft, it's always shit shit shit, lies lies lies with these guys. It's embarrassing. And their various offspring commenting all over the internet...will they for just one minute stop talking out of their anuses for a change. Sure there's a lot of $$$ at stake, but just for one moment they should just give it a rest.
The usual black marketing by microsoft, it's always shit shit shit, lies lies lies with these guys. It's embarrassing.
I doubt it was MS who announced those figures if they turned out to be wrong.
Right or wrong at this point, it’s gonna happen, just as Windows 7 will eventually surpass Dell, HP and everyone else’s PC installed base.
I honestly don’t get why an OS that is sold specifically for a PC brand is being compared to an OS that is being sold to every PC brand, even Macs. Sure, it sounds impressive until you think about for a nanosecond. I’d use this for market reasons to combat the widely successful Get A Mac ads but for people on this forum who are tech hobbyists and professionals it simply makes no sense.
The question is how long it will take Windows 7 to surpass XP not Mac OS.
In my opinion XP is causing MS many problems. Personally, there are 2 of 3 professional engineering programs I use still not compatible with Windows 7 therefore I am still stuck with XP (XP virtual mode won't work on Parallels).
The question is how long it will take Windows 7 to surpass XP not Mac OS
That is a good point and viable metric worth measuring. Good news for Windows 7 is that IE 8 has now surpassed IE 7. The funny thing that IE 6 is still has pole position though I’d be surprised if that doesn’t change by the January results.
GO APPLE! Job well done.
Now if you had matte too - you would have sold even more.
edit : (I thought this was for November- that is the month that should tell much more).
Anti-Glare is available on more models now then every previously: 15" & 17" MacBook Pro and it remains available on the 30" monitor. Matte has a very limited use - print output exclusively. There is no equal under 5k that matches the 30" Apple Cinema Display. The 15" & 17" are great field substitutes.
The iMac has never been a professional workstation - though now it serves the video pro-end with the Quad Core - because there is far greater demand for video output versus print.
Apple imagine how your sales would have sky rocketed if with minimum effort you could include a matte / anti glare option, that about 50% or more people seem to be so keen on by most accounts.
AMEN to that brother!
Did you know I'm directly responsible for Steve bringing back the 15" matte MacBook Pro?
Yes sir, got in touch with him the weekend of the Monday he returned to Cupertino from his surgery. (how I did it is extremely classified as it involves the mans privacy and I promised to respect that)
He got out the matte 15" MacBook Pro a few weeks later. That's no sh*t neither.
Thank you Steve!
I just hoped he placed a nice shoe mark on Phil's "our customers love glossy" behind.
And I do so much like Phil too, but it's his job to be the marketing man and say something is great even when it's not, met him at the Miami Apple Store and we talked while I bought my PowerMac G5 so long ago. They still had those plastic screens then.
The reason I'm telling you this is because LCD makers have a cartel (just ask Nokia) and perhaps they are all colluding on not only on prices, but not including matte films on their screens anymore because it's a added expense and process. Why the matte option is $50 more perhaps?
Blame HP for bringing on glossy screens, they started this shiny screen business. Frigging printer people don't know squat about computers.
Getting matte screens may become impossible shortly, but what Apple COULD DO is sell matte film applied Mac's next to the glossy ones. If the customer wants a matte machine, the folks in the backroom could apply the film to a glossy machine before handing it over to the customer. This way Apple doesn't lose making too many of the wrong kind and doesn't lose a sale when the customer walks out because the only thing they saw on the screen was their ugly faces (or the overhead lights)
It's perhaps the best solution, as Apple is heavily dependent upon the PC market for parts.
I would tell Steve of this solution, but I promised. So you keep on petitioning, he is reading MacMatte finding out that it's the MacBooks especially that people are complaining about the lack of a matte option as notebooks are constantly moved to various enviroments where glare is uncontolled.
Perhaps maybe, computer makers via customers demand will force LCD makers back to the matte camp enough so there is enough supply for both options and a fair price.
I think Steve wants matte back too, he is nearsighted so he understands the problem people have with the glare, just he might be held hostage by the cheap LCD makers for the cheap PC market.
You're right I was looking at the 52 week high. Guess I will have to wait until the end of next week to comment that is dropped 10%. Whats another week.
And, if it doesn't by the end of next Friday, can you just go away with tail between legs? Thanks.
Getting matte screens may become impossible shortly, but what Apple COULD DO is sell matte film applied Mac's next to the glossy ones. If the customer wants a matte machine, the folks in the backroom could apply the film to a glossy machine before handing it over to the customer. This way Apple doesn't lose making too many of the wrong kind and doesn't lose a sale when the customer walks out because the only thing they saw on the screen was their ugly faces (or the overhead lights)
I've heard good things about Moshi iVisor AG for MB/MBP. Skim through this video. It looks easy to install and it is less than $50.