ironically, you are showing no picture of the original iPhone, or the iPod Touch with no camera. Oh yes, you are also not showing the many iterations of the iPhone OS's with various differences in features. Oh yes, you are also not showing any of the many differences in hardware specifications between the different models.
Of course not, because Apple only sells two phones, the 3G and 3GS, yet each have v3.0 and had them on June 17, 2009, as well as the original iPhone. You?re arguing that Apple is somehow in error for giving rich updates to the original iPhone or even updating the HW and OS at all is absurd. These are yearly evolutionary updates following a very simple, linear update model.
On the flip side, how many current Android phones are there on the market right now? How many OS versions are being sold as the latest for each of these devices? How many very different HW models and completely different UI are there making cross-usage difficult for many? That is fragmentation, not a linear and coordinated upgrade cycle.
That Apple intends to release what amounts to a Touch with a 7-inch screen, makes a ton of sense. That Apple was considering a 10-inch Touch, not so much.
I don't think current apps would look terrible running off a 7-inch device and it sounds like this new device will have the hardware able to handle full-resolution files.
This is exactly what I expected Apple to do, namely evolve the touch-screen form factor, allowing for a smooth transition from one generation to the next. The 7-inch Touch would be viable from the start since it could easily run existing software of which there is tons.
For those clamouring for a 10-inch Touch, all in good time. That time isn't now but such a device could make sense down the road after a library of apps taking advantage of the 7-inch form factor could play well enough on a 10-inch device. To jump straight to the 10-inch form factor simply does not make sense.
It's no small thing to leap up to 10 inches. I wouldn't be surprised if such a leap, instead of going with a 7-inch screen this time around, added as much as $200 to the new device's MSRP. That's a problem. A $500 Touch could challenge netbooks, depending on what one intends the device for. In comparison, a $700 Touch would be a much tougher sell.
Also, Apple set this up back when they released the most recent version of the Touch when the marketing put an emphasis on the Touch as a pocket computer. Now they can introduce said computer with a bigger screen, better suited to watching movies, browsing, playing games, i.e. all the stuff people are now doing on the Touch.
Like getting websites to use internet standards when IE6 from 2001(?) is still the most dominate browser. Aren?t most devices on Android v1.6 still despite v2.0 having come out months ago?
Android will end up becoming just like Linux is on the desktop - Fragmented, inconsistent, and way too many variations of the same theme making it impossible to use for the masses. But of course, the Android-fanboys would rather live in denial since in their world, it's all about them. They know deep in the back of their minds that Android will not have the ability to truly get ahead as there are too many players involved. That's what is so nice about Apple. One phone, one software all designed to work specifically with each other. Nice and neat.
Apple has sold three different phones, the original and 3G and 3GS, and each have different hardware specifications and OS versions depending on what the end-user has installed. You?re arguing that Apple is unable to make the original iPhone behave exactly as the new 3gs does, and you are 100% right about that. These are yearly evolutionary updates following a very simple, linear update model, but the hardware can not updated in the same manner, and hence this confirms the fragmentation you speak of and are 100% completely right about.
There, fixed that for you.
And I agree with the factually-corrected statements you made.
And I agree with the factually-corrected statements you made.
Altering posts you disagree with to contort the readability of a thread is clearly a violation of this forum. You may want to cut that out. You don?t have to agree with a poster but trying to alter the context of a thread when losing an arguing is trolling.
Altering posts you disagree with to contort the readability of a thread is clearly a violation of this forum. You may want to cut that out. You don?t have to agree with a poster but trying to alter the context of a thread when losing an arguing is trolling.
You said that Apple has 2 phones: the 3g and 3gs... curious that you completely omitted the original iPhone in your listing. You're clearly and deliberately misconstruing the facts because you are losing an argument, and that is a clear violation of the forum rules.
You said that Apple has 2 phones: the 3g and 3gs... curious that you completely omitted the original iPhone in your listing. You're clearly and deliberately misconstruing the facts because you are losing an argument, and that is a clear violation of the forum rules.
Sol was right on the mark. Read his post again.
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Originally Posted by solipsism
Of course not, because Apple only sells two phones, the 3G and 3GS, yet each have v3.0 and had them on June 17, 2009, as well as the original iPhone.
Yeah, you're right. Apple sold 0 (zero) iPhone originals. There are ZERO iPhone originals in existence. There are ZERO iPhone originals being used in the world. Those statistics on the original iPhone selling more than 0 (zero) units were completely false.
You said that Apple has 2 phones: the 3g and 3gs... curious that you completely omitted the original iPhone in your listing. You're clearly and deliberately misconstruing the facts because you are losing an argument, and that is a clear violation of the forum rules.
SELLS present; SOLD past. Those images are from Apple present website. You can?t buy the original iPhone from Apple or AT&T. You can only buy it from eBay, Craig?s List and perhaps a few online dealers and pawn shops. It is not a current a model.
In my following paragraph I did not ask you about any past Android phones. I clearly queried, "On the flip side, how many current Android phones are there on the market right now??
The ONLY fragmentation is the Touch and iPhone split into two categories but it has been getting the EXACT CPU, RAM, GPU and other critical HW features of that year?s iPhone and the iPhone OS version when the Touch HW is updated. That pales in comparison what we?ve seen already with Android barely out of the gate.
Yeah, you're right. Apple sold 0 (zero) iPhone originals. There are ZERO iPhone originals in existence. There are ZERO iPhone originals being used in the world. Those statistics on the original iPhone selling more than 0 (zero) units were completely false.
I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but you keep making crap up about what was said. This much going back to point out and explain the differences between past and present are ridiculous. So long...
how can you be so sure? What if there is a headset only version with a phone? It's not something I would be interested in, but I know at least two people that would move to something like that immediately.
I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but you keep making crap up about what was said. This much going back to point out and explain the differences between past and present are ridiculous. So long...
Your point is meaningless, since fragmentation is dependent on what phones are in existence, ie all phones that were sold, because all those phones need to be supported.
Do you honestly believe that the original iPhone does not exist simply because the 3g and 3gs were released?
SELLS present; SOLD past. Those images are from Apple present website. You can?t buy the original iPhone from Apple or AT&T. You can only buy it from eBay, Craig?s List and perhaps a few online dealers and pawn shops. It is not a current a model.
In my following paragraph I did not ask you about any past Android phones. I clearly queried, "On the flip side, how many current Android phones are there on the market right now??
The ONLY fragmentation is the Touch and iPhone split into two categories but it has been getting the EXACT CPU, RAM, GPU and other critical HW features of that year?s iPhone and the iPhone OS version when the Touch HW is updated. That pales in comparison what we?ve seen already with Android barely out of the gate.
See my post. Since the iPhone was sold in multiple iterations, it must be supported as multiple iterations.
You can't ignore the original iPhone's lack of certain features in this argument.
The Great iPhone/iPod Touch/iTablet Fragmentation continues . . . .
You can't talk about something that doesn't actually exist.
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iPod touch users slow to upgrade mobile OS - study[CENTER]
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While nearly 95 percent of iPhone users have upgraded to iPhone 3.0 or greater, only 55 percent of iPod touch users have done the same.
All Apple's fault because of some stupid "accounting rule" which sounds like bogus BS to me. I don't see MS having any trouble dishing out updates to first and second generation Zunes.
The update should be free and there wouldn't be this problem.
The droid screen is gorgeous, well for that 4 hours that you have enough power to run it
Actually a friend got one and loves it so much, she just can't figure out why her battery is dead by 5pm every day
Still, I'm pretty sure higher screen resolution doesn't mean a lot higher power draw.
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Originally Posted by MacTripper
The 10.3" iTablet will be running the iPhone OS and be on the Verison network.
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer
iTablet won't be a phone.
It'll have Wifi but it won't be a phone. It may have VOIP but it won't be a phone.
Let's not jump to conclusions in this way. Being on a cellular network doesn't mean it will be a phone. Some computers are offered with cellular modems built-in, and they aren't phones. Still, there's nothing to say that it will be Verizon. If they do offer cellular data, I hope it's optional, some people can really use the data anywhere feature, others might be content with just WiFi.
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Originally Posted by kotatsu
Sounds like a horrible idea. Tablet owners would have to put up with horribly upscaled, blurry looking apps for years to come.
I don't think so, unless the developer abandons an app, but if that app is no longer updated, then the app will probably be removed from the store. So existing users might be left out, but at least new buyers won't have to worry about buying apps that can only be used upscaled. When iPhone 3.0 came around, Apple required that all devs submit 3.0 compatible app updates or lose their place in the store.
I don't think it will necessarily mean that apps will be upscaled either. A lot of Apple-provided widgets automatically fill the space they're given, maybe you've seen it when you switch between portrait and landscape modes on some programs.
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iTablet won't be a phone.
It'll have Wifi but it won't be a phone. It may have VOIP but it won't be a phone.
would you say skype ??
2 camera;s front and back for video meetings ??
i think doctors lawyers and out in the field workers will take over this platform
full screen real time field datas or moving of data
in AN ease of use situation is golden
9 x 6 in screen would fit in lab coat pockets
9x6 is the perfect mobile gaming halo type machine also
go apple
yet bored housewives will rock with this tablet also
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ironically, you are showing no picture of the original iPhone, or the iPod Touch with no camera. Oh yes, you are also not showing the many iterations of the iPhone OS's with various differences in features. Oh yes, you are also not showing any of the many differences in hardware specifications between the different models.
Of course not, because Apple only sells two phones, the 3G and 3GS, yet each have v3.0 and had them on June 17, 2009, as well as the original iPhone. You?re arguing that Apple is somehow in error for giving rich updates to the original iPhone or even updating the HW and OS at all is absurd. These are yearly evolutionary updates following a very simple, linear update model.
On the flip side, how many current Android phones are there on the market right now? How many OS versions are being sold as the latest for each of these devices? How many very different HW models and completely different UI are there making cross-usage difficult for many? That is fragmentation, not a linear and coordinated upgrade cycle.
I don't think current apps would look terrible running off a 7-inch device and it sounds like this new device will have the hardware able to handle full-resolution files.
This is exactly what I expected Apple to do, namely evolve the touch-screen form factor, allowing for a smooth transition from one generation to the next. The 7-inch Touch would be viable from the start since it could easily run existing software of which there is tons.
For those clamouring for a 10-inch Touch, all in good time. That time isn't now but such a device could make sense down the road after a library of apps taking advantage of the 7-inch form factor could play well enough on a 10-inch device. To jump straight to the 10-inch form factor simply does not make sense.
It's no small thing to leap up to 10 inches. I wouldn't be surprised if such a leap, instead of going with a 7-inch screen this time around, added as much as $200 to the new device's MSRP. That's a problem. A $500 Touch could challenge netbooks, depending on what one intends the device for. In comparison, a $700 Touch would be a much tougher sell.
Also, Apple set this up back when they released the most recent version of the Touch when the marketing put an emphasis on the Touch as a pocket computer. Now they can introduce said computer with a bigger screen, better suited to watching movies, browsing, playing games, i.e. all the stuff people are now doing on the Touch.
minor overlapping.[/INDENT]
major over lapping
Like getting websites to use internet standards when IE6 from 2001(?) is still the most dominate browser. Aren?t most devices on Android v1.6 still despite v2.0 having come out months ago?
Android will end up becoming just like Linux is on the desktop - Fragmented, inconsistent, and way too many variations of the same theme making it impossible to use for the masses. But of course, the Android-fanboys would rather live in denial since in their world, it's all about them. They know deep in the back of their minds that Android will not have the ability to truly get ahead as there are too many players involved. That's what is so nice about Apple. One phone, one software all designed to work specifically with each other. Nice and neat.
Apple has sold three different phones, the original and 3G and 3GS, and each have different hardware specifications and OS versions depending on what the end-user has installed. You?re arguing that Apple is unable to make the original iPhone behave exactly as the new 3gs does, and you are 100% right about that. These are yearly evolutionary updates following a very simple, linear update model, but the hardware can not updated in the same manner, and hence this confirms the fragmentation you speak of and are 100% completely right about.
There, fixed that for you.
And I agree with the factually-corrected statements you made.
There, fixed that for you.
And I agree with the factually-corrected statements you made.
Altering posts you disagree with to contort the readability of a thread is clearly a violation of this forum. You may want to cut that out. You don?t have to agree with a poster but trying to alter the context of a thread when losing an arguing is trolling.
Altering posts you disagree with to contort the readability of a thread is clearly a violation of this forum. You may want to cut that out. You don?t have to agree with a poster but trying to alter the context of a thread when losing an arguing is trolling.
You said that Apple has 2 phones: the 3g and 3gs... curious that you completely omitted the original iPhone in your listing.
You said that Apple has 2 phones: the 3g and 3gs... curious that you completely omitted the original iPhone in your listing.
Sol was right on the mark. Read his post again.
Of course not, because Apple only sells two phones, the 3G and 3GS, yet each have v3.0 and had them on June 17, 2009, as well as the original iPhone.
Sol was right on the mark. Read his post again.
Yeah, you're right. Apple sold 0 (zero) iPhone originals. There are ZERO iPhone originals in existence. There are ZERO iPhone originals being used in the world. Those statistics on the original iPhone selling more than 0 (zero) units were completely false.
You said that Apple has 2 phones: the 3g and 3gs... curious that you completely omitted the original iPhone in your listing.
SELLS present; SOLD past. Those images are from Apple present website. You can?t buy the original iPhone from Apple or AT&T. You can only buy it from eBay, Craig?s List and perhaps a few online dealers and pawn shops. It is not a current a model.
In my following paragraph I did not ask you about any past Android phones. I clearly queried, "On the flip side, how many current Android phones are there on the market right now??
The ONLY fragmentation is the Touch and iPhone split into two categories but it has been getting the EXACT CPU, RAM, GPU and other critical HW features of that year?s iPhone and the iPhone OS version when the Touch HW is updated. That pales in comparison what we?ve seen already with Android barely out of the gate.
Yeah, you're right. Apple sold 0 (zero) iPhone originals. There are ZERO iPhone originals in existence. There are ZERO iPhone originals being used in the world. Those statistics on the original iPhone selling more than 0 (zero) units were completely false.
I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but you keep making crap up about what was said. This much going back to point out and explain the differences between past and present are ridiculous. So long...
... but it won't be a phone.
how can you be so sure? What if there is a headset only version with a phone? It's not something I would be interested in, but I know at least two people that would move to something like that immediately.
I wouldn't count anything out.
I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but you keep making crap up about what was said. This much going back to point out and explain the differences between past and present are ridiculous. So long...
Your point is meaningless, since fragmentation is dependent on what phones are in existence, ie all phones that were sold, because all those phones need to be supported.
Do you honestly believe that the original iPhone does not exist simply because the 3g and 3gs were released?
SELLS present; SOLD past. Those images are from Apple present website. You can?t buy the original iPhone from Apple or AT&T. You can only buy it from eBay, Craig?s List and perhaps a few online dealers and pawn shops. It is not a current a model.
In my following paragraph I did not ask you about any past Android phones. I clearly queried, "On the flip side, how many current Android phones are there on the market right now??
The ONLY fragmentation is the Touch and iPhone split into two categories but it has been getting the EXACT CPU, RAM, GPU and other critical HW features of that year?s iPhone and the iPhone OS version when the Touch HW is updated. That pales in comparison what we?ve seen already with Android barely out of the gate.
See my post. Since the iPhone was sold in multiple iterations, it must be supported as multiple iterations.
You can't ignore the original iPhone's lack of certain features in this argument.
The Great iPhone/iPod Touch/iTablet Fragmentation continues . . . .
Gee, really fragmented. There is no way I cold figure out the 3GS with v3.0 after using the original or 3G iPhone with v3.0.
Geez, can people NOT spot a troll in this forum? Using reason on a troll just encourages them.
You can't ignore the original iPhone's lack of certain features in this argument.
No but we can ignore you. Buh bye.
The source said applications that can accommodate the larger screen size will run "just fine" on the new device.
IOW, Mr. Source, 100% of all compatible apps will run just fine?
Wow, what an insight.
</sarcasm>
Seriously, it's going to be interesting to see what porting apps will involve, what with everything so bar being designed around 320X480.
It'll also be interesting to see what Apple does in the UI department. A navigation bar and table view at, say, 768X1024 doesn't seem very Jobs-like.
You can't talk about something that doesn't actually exist.
iPod touch users slow to upgrade mobile OS - study[CENTER]
[/CENTER]
While nearly 95 percent of iPhone users have upgraded to iPhone 3.0 or greater, only 55 percent of iPod touch users have done the same.
All Apple's fault because of some stupid "accounting rule" which sounds like bogus BS to me. I don't see MS having any trouble dishing out updates to first and second generation Zunes.
The update should be free and there wouldn't be this problem.
The droid screen is gorgeous, well for that 4 hours that you have enough power to run it
Actually a friend got one and loves it so much, she just can't figure out why her battery is dead by 5pm every day
Still, I'm pretty sure higher screen resolution doesn't mean a lot higher power draw.
The 10.3" iTablet will be running the iPhone OS and be on the Verison network.
iTablet won't be a phone.
It'll have Wifi but it won't be a phone. It may have VOIP but it won't be a phone.
Let's not jump to conclusions in this way. Being on a cellular network doesn't mean it will be a phone. Some computers are offered with cellular modems built-in, and they aren't phones. Still, there's nothing to say that it will be Verizon. If they do offer cellular data, I hope it's optional, some people can really use the data anywhere feature, others might be content with just WiFi.
Sounds like a horrible idea. Tablet owners would have to put up with horribly upscaled, blurry looking apps for years to come.
I don't think so, unless the developer abandons an app, but if that app is no longer updated, then the app will probably be removed from the store. So existing users might be left out, but at least new buyers won't have to worry about buying apps that can only be used upscaled. When iPhone 3.0 came around, Apple required that all devs submit 3.0 compatible app updates or lose their place in the store.
I don't think it will necessarily mean that apps will be upscaled either. A lot of Apple-provided widgets automatically fill the space they're given, maybe you've seen it when you switch between portrait and landscape modes on some programs.