Sadly I know one of these people. I was all I could do not to laugh in the poor dudes face when he said: "I bought this iPod, where is all the music?"
He freaked out when I told him he had to install iTunes on his PC, buy the music and then put it on the iPod.
I wish I were joking.
It may be a distinction without a difference but the iPod touch does have the ability to make purchases directly from the iTunes store (music, apps, TV and movies). It does cost $200 for the smallest (8GB) model and it is arguably not a real iPod but it can operate on its own after being set up. When you take it new, from the box it definitely needs a connection to Apple via iTunes, but it seems like it could operate on its own after that.
I'm not arguing that Mac's can save companies IT money, that's a fact.
The fact is it costs in other areas:
1: Retraining
2: Machines can't be serviced in house as most Mac's are closed devices.
3: Privacy and security, hard drives can't be removed from most Mac's.
4: Lack of hardware choices from Apple. OS X tie-in to their hardware.
5: Not enough software choices or third party software only on larger market share Windows.
1. Not much retraining involved, since MacOS X Server is vastly easier to learn and maintain than any variant of Windows I've ever had to deal with.
2. Uh, iMacs maybe (although it's quite easy to replace the drive in the latest batch of iMacs), MacBook & MBP is correct (due to the new unibody design). but MacPro and Xserve?!? Seriously?
3. ?!?!? Seriously?!? I guess you've never seen the guts of a MacPro or Xserve, arguably some of the easiest machines on the planet when it comes to swapping out drives.
(points 2 & 3 are proof to me that you are actually a troll, but I digress)
4. that's why they work so well.
5.Enough software choices to do required tasks. In addition, the majority of Windows software available for businesses are also available for the Mac now.
Another word of advice: using the tired "security through obscurity" myth ruins your credibility even further.
Is everyone in this thread forgetting that media tablets currently exist? you all do know about Archos right? and tablet computers have existed for quite a few years, look at the microsoft tablet pc's!! So if these devices exist, why do we not hear much about them? why do I only hear about apples iSlate device?
The suggestion that Macs can only be service by Apple and cannot be serviced in-house is ludicrous.
Apple, moreso than most hardware and/or software dealers has extensive training and certification programs. For example:
"The Apple Service Provider program is designed for companies interested in offering service to Apple customers, whether they are consumers, businesses, educational institutions or government organizations. Authorized Apple Resellers and businesses that specialize in service, but do not resell Apple finished goods products, are both able to apply for Apple Service Provider authorization. Universities and colleges may apply for Service Provider authorization to deliver repair services to their students. Educational institutions who wish only to repair their own equipment should apply to the Self-Servicing Program. All repairs covered under warranty must be performed by Apple-certified technicians."
I know of 4 Fortune 100 companies that have IT departments fully staffed with certified AppleCare, iPhone, Apple-certified technicians, Self-Servicing, Macintosh Technician, etc., programs that can do everything that most of us are only familiar with on the consumer side.
The same training/certification/experience criteria for most IT departments/personnel are no different whether it is working on Macs or PCs.
As far as we know, there is no product that Apple produces, hardware or software, that can only be services by Apple directly.
And for those that are equally ignorant of just how important extensive Apple is involved in enterprise, perhaps a perusal of the Apple Professional Services and Business sites at http://www.apple.com/services/consulting/ and http://www.apple.com/business/ respectively would be in order.
Is everyone in this thread forgetting that media tablets currently exist? you all do know about Archos right? and tablet computers have existed for quite a few years, look at the microsoft tablet pc's!! So if these devices exist, why do we not hear much about them? why do I only hear about apples iSlate device?
Because Apple has a track record of taking an idea like "tablet computer" and rethinking it in a way that makes it actually useful and desirable.
Is everyone in this thread forgetting that media tablets currently exist? you all do know about Archos right? and tablet computers have existed for quite a few years, look at the microsoft tablet pc's!! So if these devices exist, why do we not hear much about them? why do I only hear about apples iSlate device?
And how has that been doing for them? We hear nothing about it, so we assume there's nothing worth talking about. I'm sure they serve a very small niche, just like what happened with MP3 players before Apple came in with a "best of breed" that everyone could use.
Price is going to be absolutely critical. If you already have an iPhone and a MacBook/MBP then this 'in between' device is going to be a luxury unless it's very affordable. .
Of COURSE this is going to be a luxury item!!
No Rev 1 of an Apple product is bargain basement.
I swear, some people would expect BMW to come out with a new vehicle paradigm, and sell it for $15K.
Ain't gonna happen folks... Count on $1k. And the lines will be enormous.
Sounds more like a emotional rant that a argument, what are your points?
I guess the smiley means you're joking, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how or why. Is there something that you're not understanding in my post?
1. Not much retraining involved, since MacOS X Server is vastly easier to learn and maintain than any variant of Windows I've ever had to deal with.
I'm not talking server, that's smart IT guys, I'm talking OS X with typical office users. That's the hard part, retraining them with a new UI. A company is going to suffer productivity loss while these people come up to speed, if they can.
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2. Uh, iMacs maybe (although it's quite easy to replace the drive in the latest batch of iMacs), MacBook & MBP is correct (due to the new unibody design). but MacPro and Xserve?!? Seriously?
Yes most Mac's, Apple sometimes allow access and then other times not. Inconsistency is not desirable in business. Again MacPro and Server are for computer savvy folks, so business just has to pay for these devices when a iMac or a laptop is more suitable? Seriously?
3. repeat.
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4. that's why they work so well.
True, but businesses have different needs of hardware, like matte screens for laptops and ToughBooks, ATM machines and POS devices, etc. that Apple doesn't provide.
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5.Enough software choices to do required tasks. In addition, the majority of Windows software available for businesses are also available for the Mac now.
You mean basic common tasks, there is no AutoCAD or that Windows/IE specific real estate software used by the industry neither.
Had a real estate lady buy a Mac and came to me for help, I had then had to install Citrix to get it to use IE.
What a pain in the ass.
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Another word of advice: using the tired "security through obscurity" myth ruins your credibility even further.
Not really, it's a unknown. We really don't know if OS X will stand the test of the rest of the world hacking on it or not.
OS X has fallen fast in hacking contests, $10,000 rewards and MacBook Pro's were given away in minutes. Proves my point.
I guess the smiley means you're joking, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how or why. Is there something that you're not understanding in my post?
I don?t think these others have made a tablet for CES simply because they think Apple is coming out with one. I think tech has shifted to make it more viable now than in year?s past, which is why I think this is indirect proof of Apple coming to market with their own offering.
The Notion device has some compelling tech but that won?t make it a good product if the UI and UX are subpar. So far I?ve seen no tablet that makes me say, ?I want/need that!?.
I?ve been saying for awhile now this is the year of the tablet and media extender. So far I appear to be half right. \
Yes and no. Apple coming to market is putting these other companies in giddy-up mode, enough so that they feel the need to debut their products before Apple sucks the air out of the room.
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well lookie here...
Sadly I know one of these people. I was all I could do not to laugh in the poor dudes face when he said: "I bought this iPod, where is all the music?"
He freaked out when I told him he had to install iTunes on his PC, buy the music and then put it on the iPod.
I wish I were joking.
It may be a distinction without a difference but the iPod touch does have the ability to make purchases directly from the iTunes store (music, apps, TV and movies). It does cost $200 for the smallest (8GB) model and it is arguably not a real iPod but it can operate on its own after being set up. When you take it new, from the box it definitely needs a connection to Apple via iTunes, but it seems like it could operate on its own after that.
I'm not arguing that Mac's can save companies IT money, that's a fact.
The fact is it costs in other areas:
1: Retraining
2: Machines can't be serviced in house as most Mac's are closed devices.
3: Privacy and security, hard drives can't be removed from most Mac's.
4: Lack of hardware choices from Apple. OS X tie-in to their hardware.
5: Not enough software choices or third party software only on larger market share Windows.
1. Not much retraining involved, since MacOS X Server is vastly easier to learn and maintain than any variant of Windows I've ever had to deal with.
2. Uh, iMacs maybe (although it's quite easy to replace the drive in the latest batch of iMacs), MacBook & MBP is correct (due to the new unibody design). but MacPro and Xserve?!? Seriously?
3. ?!?!? Seriously?!?
(points 2 & 3 are proof to me that you are actually a troll, but I digress)
4. that's why they work so well.
5.Enough software choices to do required tasks. In addition, the majority of Windows software available for businesses are also available for the Mac now.
Another word of advice: using the tired "security through obscurity" myth ruins your credibility even further.
I understand the price point, but do they have to make them so ugly and cheap looking?
well lookie here?
image: http://i1.phonearena.com/showimage.p...=name&id=27156
If you are going to post a joke image you might as well explain it?s funny. It certainly isn?t to be taken seriously.
Apple, moreso than most hardware and/or software dealers has extensive training and certification programs. For example:
"The Apple Service Provider program is designed for companies interested in offering service to Apple customers, whether they are consumers, businesses, educational institutions or government organizations. Authorized Apple Resellers and businesses that specialize in service, but do not resell Apple finished goods products, are both able to apply for Apple Service Provider authorization. Universities and colleges may apply for Service Provider authorization to deliver repair services to their students. Educational institutions who wish only to repair their own equipment should apply to the Self-Servicing Program. All repairs covered under warranty must be performed by Apple-certified technicians."
I know of 4 Fortune 100 companies that have IT departments fully staffed with certified AppleCare, iPhone, Apple-certified technicians, Self-Servicing, Macintosh Technician, etc., programs that can do everything that most of us are only familiar with on the consumer side.
The same training/certification/experience criteria for most IT departments/personnel are no different whether it is working on Macs or PCs.
Anyone interested should start view Apple's Training and Certification page at http://training.apple.com/#certification
As far as we know, there is no product that Apple produces, hardware or software, that can only be services by Apple directly.
And for those that are equally ignorant of just how important extensive Apple is involved in enterprise, perhaps a perusal of the Apple Professional Services and Business sites at http://www.apple.com/services/consulting/ and http://www.apple.com/business/ respectively would be in order.
well lookie here...
HOW big is the device?
Is everyone in this thread forgetting that media tablets currently exist? you all do know about Archos right? and tablet computers have existed for quite a few years, look at the microsoft tablet pc's!! So if these devices exist, why do we not hear much about them? why do I only hear about apples iSlate device?
Because Apple has a track record of taking an idea like "tablet computer" and rethinking it in a way that makes it actually useful and desirable.
If you are going to post a joke image you might as well explain it’s funny. It certainly isn’t to be taken seriously.
I'm just the messenger.
Does look like it was pasted together by a first grade graphic artist and a copy machine.
But perhaps that's what it takes to be ultra secure at Cupertino.
Is everyone in this thread forgetting that media tablets currently exist? you all do know about Archos right? and tablet computers have existed for quite a few years, look at the microsoft tablet pc's!! So if these devices exist, why do we not hear much about them? why do I only hear about apples iSlate device?
And how has that been doing for them? We hear nothing about it, so we assume there's nothing worth talking about. I'm sure they serve a very small niche, just like what happened with MP3 players before Apple came in with a "best of breed" that everyone could use.
Price is going to be absolutely critical. If you already have an iPhone and a MacBook/MBP then this 'in between' device is going to be a luxury unless it's very affordable. .
Of COURSE this is going to be a luxury item!!
No Rev 1 of an Apple product is bargain basement.
I swear, some people would expect BMW to come out with a new vehicle paradigm, and sell it for $15K.
Ain't gonna happen folks... Count on $1k. And the lines will be enormous.
Sounds more like a emotional rant that a argument, what are your points?
I guess the smiley means you're joking, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how or why. Is there something that you're not understanding in my post?
1. Not much retraining involved, since MacOS X Server is vastly easier to learn and maintain than any variant of Windows I've ever had to deal with.
I'm not talking server, that's smart IT guys, I'm talking OS X with typical office users. That's the hard part, retraining them with a new UI. A company is going to suffer productivity loss while these people come up to speed, if they can.
2. Uh, iMacs maybe (although it's quite easy to replace the drive in the latest batch of iMacs), MacBook & MBP is correct (due to the new unibody design). but MacPro and Xserve?!? Seriously?
Yes most Mac's, Apple sometimes allow access and then other times not. Inconsistency is not desirable in business. Again MacPro and Server are for computer savvy folks, so business just has to pay for these devices when a iMac or a laptop is more suitable? Seriously?
3. repeat.
4. that's why they work so well.
True, but businesses have different needs of hardware, like matte screens for laptops and ToughBooks, ATM machines and POS devices, etc. that Apple doesn't provide.
5.Enough software choices to do required tasks. In addition, the majority of Windows software available for businesses are also available for the Mac now.
You mean basic common tasks, there is no AutoCAD or that Windows/IE specific real estate software used by the industry neither.
Had a real estate lady buy a Mac and came to me for help, I had then had to install Citrix to get it to use IE.
What a pain in the ass.
Another word of advice: using the tired "security through obscurity" myth ruins your credibility even further.
Not really, it's a unknown. We really don't know if OS X will stand the test of the rest of the world hacking on it or not.
OS X has fallen fast in hacking contests, $10,000 rewards and MacBook Pro's were given away in minutes. Proves my point.
well lookie here...
It's a fake!
Apple don't write spec. lists in the Arial font.
C.
I guess the smiley means you're joking, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how or why. Is there something that you're not understanding in my post?
Yes your points, I don't see any.
Perhaps we should just let it be then.
I don?t think these others have made a tablet for CES simply because they think Apple is coming out with one. I think tech has shifted to make it more viable now than in year?s past, which is why I think this is indirect proof of Apple coming to market with their own offering.
The Notion device has some compelling tech but that won?t make it a good product if the UI and UX are subpar. So far I?ve seen no tablet that makes me say, ?I want/need that!?.
I?ve been saying for awhile now this is the year of the tablet and media extender. So far I appear to be half right.
Yes and no. Apple coming to market is putting these other companies in giddy-up mode, enough so that they feel the need to debut their products before Apple sucks the air out of the room.
well lookie here...
This is how to reply to a post including an image. We really don't need to see the image fifteen times, do we?
FWIW, I call it a fake. A pretty safe bet, at this stage of the game.