This is a killer app. With all the speech interface pioneering that Apple has done over the last three decades, it's astounding that they've let Google beat them to this feature. How many lives will be saved from idiots texting while driving?
I can't wait to say my usernames and passwords out loud so I don't have to type them
Though the phone can be purchased unsubsidized and unlocked through Google, the current GSM handset is only compatible with T-Mobile and AT&T in the U.S., and its 3G chip is not compatible with AT&T's high-speed wireless data network.
Anyone who thinks this is a good phone can no longer use the "a CDMA iPhone won't work overseas" excuse as the reason to dismiss the idea of a Verizon iPhone. And why would they bother putting in a GSM chip and not include support for the non-US GSM frequencies is beyond me (note to those who thing GSM is a consistent world-wide standard...it's not, the US uses different frequencies.)
By the time I got my Treo, there was plenty of memory, so no such tricks were necessary.
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Originally Posted by iGenius
What do you mean by "smartphone supremacy"? I thought Apple was third, behind Nokia and RIM
It would help if you were less ambiguous with your posts. Memory can refer to NAND or RAM in this case. The iPhone currently has #1 mindshare and #1 operating profits, but Nokia and RiM both have a higher marketshare and installed base.
How many times has the iPhone been killed now?.....5?....6?
Why would I want to pay full price? I'm going to pay the same monthly charges for either the locked or unlocked phone. I might as well have the carrier give me a discount. I have a month to test it out.
Isn't the return period 30 days only for California residents? According to the Terms of Service, everyone else has 14 days.
However, Apple is now reacting to Google's moves. Not a good place to be. Apple needs to be ahead of the curve, not slowing down so Google can pass them. All of this is happening very quickly now that the 3G and 4G networks are finally coming to fruition.
The anticipated tablet is Apple reacting to Google? Wha?
Any moves in the phone front is kinda old news. The iPhone IS 3 years old and that folks are finally catching up probably isn't going to do a whole lot to the iPhone trajectory or Apple's plans for that platform.
curious, i checked the Droid and Nexus specs to see if the same apps will work on both.
Droid: 854x480 resolution, 16:9 aspect
Nexus: 800x480 resolution, 15:9 (5:3) aspect
close but no cigar. the Droid might simply "pillar box" a Nexus app in theory, but no way Nexus can play a Droid app without downscaling it by 1/16 and letterboxed (or cutting off the edges? i don't think so.)
developers can probably work around this (offer two versions just by adding more background to a Nexus app to fill the Droid's extra space? why, you'd hardly notice.). but consumers will have to buy the same app several times for different Android phones they or their family may acquire over time.
"seamless" it ain't.
ps: checked the older Android G1 and HTC Hero. both 480x320 resolution (same as iPhone). guess early adopters can't use their apps anymore.
So my guess is that the Nexus One has a modified version of Google's Chrome OS? If that's the case, sorry to say; then why is everyone crapping on the lack of storage?
Google's idea behind the Chrome OS is that you don't need physical storage because everything is in the cloud...meaning besides minor storage for apps and the OS, everything else is tucked away in a server farm.
Now, that probably means that the Photos function works through flicker and it may take a while to browse photos, and you can't store movies on it, but really; who wants to watch a movie on a screen that small? And it's probably why it doesn't have a media player.
I have the 3G and i've never watched a movie on it, i have watched video podcasts and purchased episodes of the Daily Show on it, but i've never used it as an ipod for any duration. That's what my Classic iPod is for. Plus the touch input is really tricky to navagate in the car.
Personally, i'd think about the Nexus One. Maybe with Verizon I'd give it a second look, but if the iphone moves to Verizon, I may just switch plans and not phones. However, i wouldn't leave the house without my phone if i didn't have to constantly sync it and charge it on my computer, two rooms away from the door.\
My overall opinion is the Nexus One has all the "need to have" functions and non of the "nice to have". I think it's going to be a really nice addition to the smartphone market!
I probably won't go with the iTablet/MacPad because of the size and lack of phyical keyboard though. If i'm going to have a large format iPhone, i want a real keyboard so i can IM while on the couch. I don't need the functionality of a netbook, just everything the iPhone has plus a larger screen and phyical keyboard. but i'm going off topic. Can't wait to see what else Google has to offer this comming Fall!
Ok. The iPhone has set the standard, the benchmark on which everybody is trying to match. That's not just my opinion it's a fact.
Wouldn't you agree that the iPhone is the most important phone right now? Wouldn't you agree that the whole iPhone strategy has been genius? Wouldn't you agree that pre-iPhone the smartphone market was pretty weak? Don't you think that the emergence of the iPhone has triggered a very exciting future and driven the market forward in terms of mobile technology? And isn't that good for us all?
Strong, Important, Powerful. All words associated with supreme.
Om Malik Interviews Google?s Mobile Chief Andy Rubin
Regarding Android partners like Verizon and Motorola being upset about the Nexus One:
?People shouldn?t focus too much on the device (Nexus One),? said Rubin. ?What?s more important is the strategy behind the devices.?
Yes, what better way to get the press not to focus on a device than to hold a big press conference to announce a device, talk about how great it is, and give one away to everyone who attends?
Om Malik Interviews Google?s Mobile Chief Andy Rubin
Regarding Android partners like Verizon and Motorola being upset about the Nexus One:
?People shouldn?t focus too much on the device (Nexus One),? said Rubin. ?What?s more important is the strategy behind the devices.?
Yes, what better way to get the press not to focus on a device than to hold a big press conference to announce a device, talk about how great it is, and give one away to everyone who attends?
ONE device. ONE OS. Done well. That's the key. These wannabes want to follow Apple in every way possible, except the one key way in which Apple is so successful.
developers can probably work around this (offer two versions just by adding more background to a Nexus app to fill the Droid's extra space? why, you'd hardly notice.). but consumers will have to buy the same app several times for different Android phones they or their family may acquire over time.
"seamless" it ain't.
ps: checked the older Android G1 and HTC Hero. both 480x320 resolution (same as iPhone). guess early adopters can't use their apps anymore.
I think you know a little about software development.
Hint: do you use different versions of an application when you run it on different screen resolution on your desktop/laptop?
The anticipated tablet is Apple reacting to Google? Wha?
Any moves in the phone front is kinda old news. The iPhone IS 3 years old and that folks are finally catching up probably isn't going to do a whole lot to the iPhone trajectory or Apple's plans for that platform.
I guess I need to be more specific. Buying this e-advertising company was Apple reacting to Google's move.
ONE device. ONE OS. Done well. That's the key. These wannabes want to follow Apple in every way possible, except the one key way in which Apple is so successful.
Precisely. Hence Google's reluctance to go it alone. Read between the lines Android fans. The strategy in which Google refers too is staring you in the face.
What do you mean by "smartphone supremacy"? I thought Apple was third, behind Nokia and RIM.
And between their long product cycles and slim breadth of product, it seems that they will not catch up to the new hardware for at least 6 months.
In what manner is the iPhone currently supreme?
I believe the iPhone is the top selling phone. That indicates some sort of supremacy. The iPhone also dominates mind share, developer support etc. Nokia and RIM selling more total phones (many of which are free/ not even smart phones in Nokias case) doesn't give them a smartphone supremacy.
It is unreasonable to expect one company to stay ahead in the hardware game. One moment Palm may have the best processor in a phone (they did for a week or two), then it could be Apple, or HTC, or Motorola, etc. Apple is only one of those companies, so obviously the iPhone wont always be the fastest. However the current one is still no slouch and these new Android models don't add any "must have" features. I'll just chalk you up as one of those people that simply doesn't get it. It isn't about the hardware, it is about the software, and software is where Apples advantage lies. If performance matters to you, the iPhone will have some of the best hardware available when it is refreshed each year. No sane person needs to buy a phone more than once a year, so buying an iPhone does give you the top performing phone at the time of its release. It is the same for an Android phone too. Is the Nexus One a bad phone if someone releases a better one 3 months from now? Why would you ever buy a phone? Any one you buy will become "outdated".
Again it is the software that matters, and the iPhone provides access to an unmatched software ecosystem and it is very likely that we will see what iPhone OS 4.0 has in store for us very soon.
All that said, I wouldn't mind having a Nexus One just to play around with.
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Apple on the other hand has innovation in its DNA. As long as Apple want smartphone supremacy it's theirs for the keeping.
What do you mean by "smartphone supremacy"? I thought Apple was third, behind Nokia and RIM.
And between their long product cycles and slim breadth of product, it seems that they will not catch up to the new hardware for at least 6 months.
In what manner is the iPhone currently supreme?
This is a killer app. With all the speech interface pioneering that Apple has done over the last three decades, it's astounding that they've let Google beat them to this feature. How many lives will be saved from idiots texting while driving?
I can't wait to say my usernames and passwords out loud so I don't have to type them
Though the phone can be purchased unsubsidized and unlocked through Google, the current GSM handset is only compatible with T-Mobile and AT&T in the U.S., and its 3G chip is not compatible with AT&T's high-speed wireless data network.
Anyone who thinks this is a good phone can no longer use the "a CDMA iPhone won't work overseas" excuse as the reason to dismiss the idea of a Verizon iPhone. And why would they bother putting in a GSM chip and not include support for the non-US GSM frequencies is beyond me (note to those who thing GSM is a consistent world-wide standard...it's not, the US uses different frequencies.)
By the time I got my Treo, there was plenty of memory, so no such tricks were necessary.
What do you mean by "smartphone supremacy"? I thought Apple was third, behind Nokia and RIM
It would help if you were less ambiguous with your posts. Memory can refer to NAND or RAM in this case. The iPhone currently has #1 mindshare and #1 operating profits, but Nokia and RiM both have a higher marketshare and installed base.
BTW, you attributed a quote to me that mjtomlin made. I didn't say that.
Oops sorry about that
@iGenius.
What do you mean by "smartphone supremacy"? I thought Apple was third, behind Nokia and RIM.
The post was referring to Phone innovation. So in that context Apple reins supreme IMO.
Granted Nokia and RIM hold larger market share but to be fair they have been in the smartphone market longer than Apple.
How many times has the iPhone been killed now?.....5?....6?
Why would I want to pay full price? I'm going to pay the same monthly charges for either the locked or unlocked phone. I might as well have the carrier give me a discount. I have a month to test it out.
Isn't the return period 30 days only for California residents? According to the Terms of Service, everyone else has 14 days.
However, Apple is now reacting to Google's moves. Not a good place to be. Apple needs to be ahead of the curve, not slowing down so Google can pass them. All of this is happening very quickly now that the 3G and 4G networks are finally coming to fruition.
The anticipated tablet is Apple reacting to Google? Wha?
Any moves in the phone front is kinda old news. The iPhone IS 3 years old and that folks are finally catching up probably isn't going to do a whole lot to the iPhone trajectory or Apple's plans for that platform.
Droid: 854x480 resolution, 16:9 aspect
Nexus: 800x480 resolution, 15:9 (5:3) aspect
close but no cigar. the Droid might simply "pillar box" a Nexus app in theory, but no way Nexus can play a Droid app without downscaling it by 1/16 and letterboxed (or cutting off the edges? i don't think so.)
developers can probably work around this (offer two versions just by adding more background to a Nexus app to fill the Droid's extra space? why, you'd hardly notice.). but consumers will have to buy the same app several times for different Android phones they or their family may acquire over time.
"seamless" it ain't.
ps: checked the older Android G1 and HTC Hero. both 480x320 resolution (same as iPhone). guess early adopters can't use their apps anymore.
Google's idea behind the Chrome OS is that you don't need physical storage because everything is in the cloud...meaning besides minor storage for apps and the OS, everything else is tucked away in a server farm.
Now, that probably means that the Photos function works through flicker and it may take a while to browse photos, and you can't store movies on it, but really; who wants to watch a movie on a screen that small? And it's probably why it doesn't have a media player.
I have the 3G and i've never watched a movie on it, i have watched video podcasts and purchased episodes of the Daily Show on it, but i've never used it as an ipod for any duration. That's what my Classic iPod is for. Plus the touch input is really tricky to navagate in the car.
Personally, i'd think about the Nexus One. Maybe with Verizon I'd give it a second look, but if the iphone moves to Verizon, I may just switch plans and not phones. However, i wouldn't leave the house without my phone if i didn't have to constantly sync it and charge it on my computer, two rooms away from the door.
My overall opinion is the Nexus One has all the "need to have" functions and non of the "nice to have". I think it's going to be a really nice addition to the smartphone market!
I probably won't go with the iTablet/MacPad because of the size and lack of phyical keyboard though. If i'm going to have a large format iPhone, i want a real keyboard so i can IM while on the couch. I don't need the functionality of a netbook, just everything the iPhone has plus a larger screen and phyical keyboard. but i'm going off topic. Can't wait to see what else Google has to offer this comming Fall!
In what manner is the iPhone currently supreme?
You really want me to answer that?
Ok. The iPhone has set the standard, the benchmark on which everybody is trying to match. That's not just my opinion it's a fact.
Wouldn't you agree that the iPhone is the most important phone right now? Wouldn't you agree that the whole iPhone strategy has been genius? Wouldn't you agree that pre-iPhone the smartphone market was pretty weak? Don't you think that the emergence of the iPhone has triggered a very exciting future and driven the market forward in terms of mobile technology? And isn't that good for us all?
Strong, Important, Powerful. All words associated with supreme.
Regarding Android partners like Verizon and Motorola being upset about the Nexus One:
?People shouldn?t focus too much on the device (Nexus One),? said Rubin. ?What?s more important is the strategy behind the devices.?
Yes, what better way to get the press not to focus on a device than to hold a big press conference to announce a device, talk about how great it is, and give one away to everyone who attends?
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Daring Fireball 10-01-05 5:39 PM John Gruber http://daringfireball.net/
In what manner is the iPhone currently supreme?
It offers the most, in the simplest, most user-friendly package.
The game's already over. Apple has this market figured out for at least the next 5 years.
Om Malik Interviews Google?s Mobile Chief Andy Rubin
Regarding Android partners like Verizon and Motorola being upset about the Nexus One:
?People shouldn?t focus too much on the device (Nexus One),? said Rubin. ?What?s more important is the strategy behind the devices.?
Yes, what better way to get the press not to focus on a device than to hold a big press conference to announce a device, talk about how great it is, and give one away to everyone who attends?
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Daring Fireball 10-01-05 5:39 PM John Gruber http://daringfireball.net/
Exactly what i was saying. It's all about advertising, driving the Google model forward.
If Verizon gets the Nexus One and the next gen iPhone, AT&T is f**ked!
Doubtful
If all ths stars are in alignment and the iPhone went to VZW , its a waste for Apple to spend time and money to support a Old network.
And if they did , I doubt there would be a mass exodus as you say.
AT&T provides Excellent service to many people , oh and one other word... "RollOver"
developers can probably work around this (offer two versions just by adding more background to a Nexus app to fill the Droid's extra space? why, you'd hardly notice.). but consumers will have to buy the same app several times for different Android phones they or their family may acquire over time.
"seamless" it ain't.
ps: checked the older Android G1 and HTC Hero. both 480x320 resolution (same as iPhone). guess early adopters can't use their apps anymore.
I think you know a little about software development.
Hint: do you use different versions of an application when you run it on different screen resolution on your desktop/laptop?
The anticipated tablet is Apple reacting to Google? Wha?
Any moves in the phone front is kinda old news. The iPhone IS 3 years old and that folks are finally catching up probably isn't going to do a whole lot to the iPhone trajectory or Apple's plans for that platform.
I guess I need to be more specific. Buying this e-advertising company was Apple reacting to Google's move.
ONE device. ONE OS. Done well. That's the key. These wannabes want to follow Apple in every way possible, except the one key way in which Apple is so successful.
Precisely. Hence Google's reluctance to go it alone. Read between the lines Android fans. The strategy in which Google refers too is staring you in the face.
I guess I need to be more specific. Buying this e-advertising company was Apple reacting to Google's move.
How do you know this wasn't in the works for a while now?
What do you mean by "smartphone supremacy"? I thought Apple was third, behind Nokia and RIM.
And between their long product cycles and slim breadth of product, it seems that they will not catch up to the new hardware for at least 6 months.
In what manner is the iPhone currently supreme?
I believe the iPhone is the top selling phone. That indicates some sort of supremacy. The iPhone also dominates mind share, developer support etc. Nokia and RIM selling more total phones (many of which are free/ not even smart phones in Nokias case) doesn't give them a smartphone supremacy.
It is unreasonable to expect one company to stay ahead in the hardware game. One moment Palm may have the best processor in a phone (they did for a week or two), then it could be Apple, or HTC, or Motorola, etc. Apple is only one of those companies, so obviously the iPhone wont always be the fastest. However the current one is still no slouch and these new Android models don't add any "must have" features. I'll just chalk you up as one of those people that simply doesn't get it. It isn't about the hardware, it is about the software, and software is where Apples advantage lies. If performance matters to you, the iPhone will have some of the best hardware available when it is refreshed each year. No sane person needs to buy a phone more than once a year, so buying an iPhone does give you the top performing phone at the time of its release. It is the same for an Android phone too. Is the Nexus One a bad phone if someone releases a better one 3 months from now? Why would you ever buy a phone? Any one you buy will become "outdated".
Again it is the software that matters, and the iPhone provides access to an unmatched software ecosystem and it is very likely that we will see what iPhone OS 4.0 has in store for us very soon.
All that said, I wouldn't mind having a Nexus One just to play around with.