Steve Jobs is not the end-user. Yes, the iPhone keyboard is easy to use, but mistakes can still be made. Believe it or not, there are many, many users out there that refuse to use a virtual keyboard for many reasons (tactile response being #1). That's part of the reason why BlackBerries are still in the hands of millions. Their physical keyboards are some of the best designs out there.
"Ease-of-use" might be a better term then, but that's still the biggest big part of usability. What good is along list of features if half of them are a pain to use?
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Wrong. Apple's iPhone has set the standard for usability. I know this because iPhone is the paradigm that everybody else (including Android) is trying to copy and "catch up" to. Why else is every other phone these days refered to as an iPhone killer?
Of course, while copying, they make just enough changes in their own products so they don't appear to be copying. But they are still copying.
In addition to g3pro's comment, I want to add this. It's all "copying" because our current technology only allows for so much improvement. A capacitive touchscreen is a capacitive touchscreen. Higher capacity and faster memory and processors are still all based on the same technology. A button is a button.
If the other manufacturers just made an iPhone, then what difference would it be? Those changes are made to distiguish their products from the iPhone. Not to mention that Apple's lawyers would have a field day...
A competing model has a single button on the front to do whatever and you call it copying and put it down. Another model has 4 buttons on the front and you'll most likely call it inefficient compared to the iPhone (i.e. "Ha! My phone only needs a single button on the front!) and put it down. It's a no-win for the competition because you already made up your mind that Apple is the only winner.
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I agree that does sound cool and maybe even usable. And I bet there's an app for that.
It's undoubtablly very useful. Take driving in the car for example. We all know that we shouldn't be texting and driving. Think about if speech-to-text (Android) and voice control (iPhone) were combined through your Bluetooth headset. Use your voice to start/reply to texts or search for places and directions via Google Maps.
Or have the phone in your pocket and be able to create or reply to texts without even having to take it out!
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Except that the features you've named are not key.
Depends on who you're talking to. To you, they might not be. But to someone else, it definitely will be.
You might drive a 175 hp sedan because to you it's economical and it was enough for the money you paid. You neighbor might have a 523 hp sedan because he's a powerhead and it was worth the cost for him.
Steve Jobs is not the end-user. Yes, the iPhone keyboard is easy to use, but mistakes can still be made. Believe it or not, there are many, many users out there that refuse to use a virtual keyboard for many reasons (tactile response being #1). That's part of the reason why BlackBerries are still in the hands of millions. Their physical keyboards are some of the best designs out there.
Steve is not "the" end-user, but he is "an" end-user. And he gets to decide whether iPhone gets a physical keyboard or not.
I was making mistakes on physical keyboards long before the iPhone.
The Blackberry, which you mentioned, still exists for those who want it.
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In addition to g3pro's comment, I want to add this. It's all "copying" because our current technology only allows for so much improvement. A capacitive touchscreen is a capacitive touchscreen. Higher capacity and faster memory and processors are still all based on the same technology. A button is a button.
If the other manufacturers just made an iPhone, then what difference would it be? Those changes are made to distiguish their products from the iPhone. Not to mention that Apple's lawyers would have a field day...
I don't fault other companies for copying the iPhone paradigm. A good paradigm is afterall very challenging to invent from scratch. Usability means there has to be some... familiarity (for lack of a better word) and that means borrowing the good elements from previous successful devices while introducing some improvements of your own.
g3pro stated that Android is setting the standard for usability. I was just wondering why anybody would say this when every other phone being introduced these days (including Android phones) is referred to as being the next iPhone-killer. Calling any phone an "iPhone-killer" sets up the iPhone as the benchmark by which all other phones are measured.
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Originally Posted by AsianBob
A competing model has a single button on the front to do whatever and you call it copying and put it down. Another model has 4 buttons on the front and you'll most likely call it inefficient compared to the iPhone (i.e. "Ha! My phone only needs a single button on the front!) and put it down. It's a no-win for the competition because you already made up your mind that Apple is the only winner.
When the Palm Pre came out, I went to the Sprint store to see what it was like for myself. It could never replace my iPhone, but I do think it's a pretty classy device. I like how they integrated multi-tasking into the interface. Very nice! Too bad about that keyboard though....
For the industry, I do like to see many winners.
For me personally, there need only be one winner. Because I only need one phone.
And I choose the phone that runs the same underlying OS as my computer that I'll be syncing it with.
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Originally Posted by AsianBob
It's undoubtablly very useful. Take driving in the car for example. We all know that we shouldn't be texting and driving. Think about if speech-to-text (Android) and voice control (iPhone) were combined through your Bluetooth headset. Use your voice to start/reply to texts or search for places and directions via Google Maps.
Or have the phone in your pocket and be able to create or reply to texts without even having to take it out!
And when your friend replies to your text you're going to read it while you are driving? Or should the SMS client read it for you? At that point, why not just call them. You do have a phone afterall.
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Originally Posted by AsianBob
Depends on who you're talking to. To you, they might not be. But to someone else, it definitely will be.
You might drive a 175 hp sedan because to you it's economical and it was enough for the money you paid. You neighbor might have a 523 hp sedan because he's a powerhead and it was worth the cost for him.
If the iPhone lacks "key" features for g3pro, I wonder why he/she keeps buying them?
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Originally Posted by AsianBob
The same way that OS X could be seens as the "Windows killer" right?
What currently sets the iPhone apart is OS X and Cocoa Touch. What will set it apart in the near future is even tighter integration with an Apple designed ARM chip, which would more than likely be optimized for OS X.
I agree with this. iPhone has a more powerful OS, and smoother OS experience. They can already do everything Nexus one does, on slower hardware. (Yea you don't get as good a camera, but I doubt the pics are that much better) Some features are future proof (like the N capability on the touch, as well as fm transmission and reciever if necessary). If the ARM chip does come out optimized for the mobile OS, it will blow other phones out of existence, even if it runs slower . Nexus is well made in terms of hardware, but its all about software and what you can do with the phone. On this front I would still give an advantage to Apple.
what's with all the complaining about the iPhone's resolution? I think the screen looks fantastic. The UI is excellent (otherwise Android wouldn't look like an iPhone) ... and it is simple and straightforward enough that my Mom (60s) and my neice (10) both managed to figure out how everything works by themselves ... without having to ask anyone. That is good usability.
I really like how everyone was mocking Apple for not including a physical keyboard in the iPhone ... and now we see all these competitive products that don't have a physical keyboard.
So it looks like it's possible to have a replaceable battery without sacrificing compact design or brute processing power.
All phones should have the ability to swap batteries so that when you're on a long trip without access to an outlet you can at least do stuff on your phone for longer than 1 battery charge.
I really hope Apple innovates the iPhone with user-replaceable batteries.
God I hope not, non replaceable battery is one of my favourite features. I hate weak plastic doors. My bets stuff starts pinging off the nexus in no time.
Then Apple should make a better battery cover that stays on securely but allows users to easily remove them when needed.
Apple will not make a video iPod. Nobody wants to watch video on an iPod.
Apple will not make a mobile phone.
Apple should not allow third parties to create native iPhone applications. Nobody needs third party iPhone applications. Web apps are really SWEET.
Apple should not add GPS to the iPhone. Nobody needs GPS.
Apple will not make a 3G iPhone. Nobody needs 3G.
Apple should not add copy and paste to the iPhone. Nobody needs copy and paste.
Steve is not "the" end-user, but he is "an" end-user. And he gets to decide whether iPhone gets a physical keyboard or not.
I was making mistakes on physical keyboards long before the iPhone.
The Blackberry, which you mentioned, still exists for those who want it.
Of course he does get to decide in the end. But it's my opinion that having 2 versions would result in a huge increase in sales. The Droid showed that having a physical keyboard does not mean the device has to be thick (though its keyboard design isn't the greatest). While it will increase manufacturing costs on their end, I think it would be worth it in the end.
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I don't fault other companies for copying the iPhone paradigm. A good paradigm is afterall very challenging to invent from scratch. Usability means there has to be some... familiarity (for lack of a better word) and that means borrowing the good elements from previous successful devices while introducing some improvements of your own.
g3pro stated that Android is setting the standard for usability. I was just wondering why anybody would say this when every other phone being introduced these days (including Android phones) is referred to as being the next iPhone-killer. Calling any phone an "iPhone-killer" sets up the iPhone as the benchmark by which all other phones are measured.
When the Palm Pre came out, I went to the Sprint store to see what it was like for myself. It could never replace my iPhone, but I do think it's a pretty classy device. I like how they integrated multi-tasking into the interface. Very nice! Too bad about that keyboard though....
For the industry, I do like to see many winners.
For me personally, there need only be one winner. Because I only need one phone.
And I choose the phone that runs the same underlying OS as my computer that I'll be syncing it with.
I might have misread the intentions of your post. I'm just tired of seeing articles and posts where Apple is applauded for being the first to use the "full screen, small number of buttons" design and any company that does the same is put down because of it. If something works, it works.
Die-hard Apple fanboys are the only ones that I see using the "you're a copy-cat, so you stink as a phone" routine. I work designing helicopters and if you look around, you'll see that the vast majority of helicopters uses the concept that our company's founder settled on: 1 main rotor, 1 tail rotor. Why? Because it just works well. Our competitors also use the same layout. Are their helicopters any worse than ours? We'd like to think so, but in reality, no they aren't. Same applies to the smartphones. Apple found a recipe that works, so I don't blame anyone for copying certain aspects. It just makes business sense, after all.
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And when your friend replies to your text you're going to read it while you are driving? Or should the SMS client read it for you? At that point, why not just call them. You do have a phone afterall.
Actually, IIRC, the Nexus One does have the ability to read a text or e-mail back to you. One trend I've noticed in the younger generation (read: mid 20s and younger) is that there's more and more texting and less and less actual talking.
I only have a 450 minute plan with unlimited text and data and I barely go over 100 minutes a month. But the amount of text and data I send would give anyone a heart attack if the bill was presented to them on a per-text charge.
And yes, in that case, calling them would work. But remember, the voice-to-text works on all text fields on the Nexus One. So you can use it to much more than just reply/sent texts and e-mails. Assuming, of course, that voice control becomes an integrated part of the phone.
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If the iPhone lacks "key" features for g3pro, I wonder why he/she keeps buying them?
What does it actually mean to have 802.11N? My EEEPC netbook has N but I don't think it has the multiple antennas necessary to work at full speed so it never exceeds 65 Mbits even when its right next to my router. I didn't see any obvious antennas in the teardown photos so I wonder whether the Nexus One has multiple antennas and full (300 Mbits) N speeds. Also of note is what freq the N chip works at (2.4, 5 Ghz, or both).
My best guess is that its like all those mobile devices that started coming out with G chips a while ago but didn't have the guts to use G speeds: the value of G on a mobile device is that it doesn't slow the rest of your wireless network down to B speeds since they operate at the lowest common mode. Does the same apply with N routers - they fall back to the lowest common mode?
Reviewers, App Store, and multi-touch notwithstanding, this is a very good product. Basically, the competition has caught up with Apple at this point (and perhaps bested it in a couple of key areas).
Apple must -- I have no doubt they will -- really push the envelope and change the game, yet again, with its 4th generation iPhone.
It would be good if there some preview of that at the forthcoming event.
What nonsense to say that the competition has caught up. In what way? 802.11n? Screen res? Voice search? How easily you dismiss the hidden advantages in the complete OS which are ready but yet to be added as Apple sees fit? What about the ecosphere? Nexus One is a fearful response not to the iPhone but to the shift to MIDs that Apple triggered. Otherwise, it is just a follow-Apple phone.
I really like how everyone was mocking Apple for not including a physical keyboard in the iPhone ... and now we see all these competitive products that don't have a physical keyboard.
What nonsense to say that the competition has caught up. In what way? 802.11n? Screen res? Voice search? How easily you dismiss the hidden advantages in the complete OS which are ready but yet to be added as Apple sees fit? What about the ecosphere? Nexus One is a fearful response not to the iPhone but to the shift to MIDs that Apple triggered. Otherwise, it is just a follow-Apple phone.
ChandraC
When you have a better screen, higher resolution, larger size, faster processor, multitasking in all applications, more RAM, voice input for text fields, user-upgradable storage space, then you have done more than caught up: you actually surpassed the iPhone.
You can't follow Apple if they haven't implemented any of the above features. Sorry. Not in this world at least.
You can arrange any iPhone icons any way you want. .
Can you arrange them to hug the bottom of the screen? Can you arrange them to have open spaces between groups of icons? Or to have different arrangements on different pages, so you can tell at a glance which page you are on, and scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll that much faster?
Nope.
You can't even maintaim them alphabetically, fer chrissakes! The app-launcher/sorter capabilities of the iPhone are horrible.
Can you arrange them to hug the bottom of the screen? Can you arrange them to have open spaces between groups of icons? Or to have different arrangements on different pages, so you can tell at a glance which page you are on, and scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll that much faster?
Nope.
You can't even maintaim them alphabetically, fer chrissakes! The app-launcher/sorter capabilities of the iPhone are horrible.
I have never wanted to do any of that on my iPod touch. I have 70 apps.
However, I bet that this will be addressed in the iPhone v4.0 OS when it runs on the iTablet.
I also think that they will allow for multi-tasking, but it would be a mistake to allow all apps to stay active. I hope that an app has to do something special if it needs to be co-resident with other apps. I don't want to remember to close the game app before launching Facebook so that my device doesn't slow down to a crawl. Not sure who the Android OS is going to hold up under the weight of first time smart phone users with 50+ apps.
If you ask me (and you didn't) Apple was smart to restrict multi-tasking up to now. It's very complicated for developers to get this right. I've been working with mobile applications for 15 years. The app store would not be as successful if all the apps could be running on the phone at the same time. There would be problems. There would be complaints.
I don't have an iPhone, but I have an iPod touch, iMac, and Apple TV.
One of the things that disturbs me is that some people in this thread disregard design improvements by other companies as minor innovations, or something completely unnecessary. It seems as if the logic some people have is that changes in user functionality isn't a major improvement unless it has the Apple stamp of approval.
I have an iPhone 3GS here, but lets not kid ourselves. The original incarnation DID set the standard for what modern smartphones are aiming to be - but setting the standard then settling for stagnation/resting on your laurels is NOT the way to go. While I do like my 3GS, it still very much feels like a device out of 2007.
I wonder how much battery life would take a hit if the next firmware update allowed the 3GS processor at its intended 833mhz...
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Steve Jobs disagrees with you.
Steve Jobs is not the end-user. Yes, the iPhone keyboard is easy to use, but mistakes can still be made. Believe it or not, there are many, many users out there that refuse to use a virtual keyboard for many reasons (tactile response being #1). That's part of the reason why BlackBerries are still in the hands of millions. Their physical keyboards are some of the best designs out there.
"Ease-of-use" might be a better term then, but that's still the biggest big part of usability. What good is along list of features if half of them are a pain to use?
Wrong. Apple's iPhone has set the standard for usability. I know this because iPhone is the paradigm that everybody else (including Android) is trying to copy and "catch up" to. Why else is every other phone these days refered to as an iPhone killer?
Of course, while copying, they make just enough changes in their own products so they don't appear to be copying. But they are still copying.
In addition to g3pro's comment, I want to add this. It's all "copying" because our current technology only allows for so much improvement. A capacitive touchscreen is a capacitive touchscreen. Higher capacity and faster memory and processors are still all based on the same technology. A button is a button.
If the other manufacturers just made an iPhone, then what difference would it be? Those changes are made to distiguish their products from the iPhone. Not to mention that Apple's lawyers would have a field day...
A competing model has a single button on the front to do whatever and you call it copying and put it down. Another model has 4 buttons on the front and you'll most likely call it inefficient compared to the iPhone (i.e. "Ha! My phone only needs a single button on the front!) and put it down. It's a no-win for the competition because you already made up your mind that Apple is the only winner.
I agree that does sound cool and maybe even usable. And I bet there's an app for that.
It's undoubtablly very useful. Take driving in the car for example. We all know that we shouldn't be texting and driving. Think about if speech-to-text (Android) and voice control (iPhone) were combined through your Bluetooth headset. Use your voice to start/reply to texts or search for places and directions via Google Maps.
Or have the phone in your pocket and be able to create or reply to texts without even having to take it out!
Except that the features you've named are not key.
Depends on who you're talking to. To you, they might not be. But to someone else, it definitely will be.
You might drive a 175 hp sedan because to you it's economical and it was enough for the money you paid. You neighbor might have a 523 hp sedan because he's a powerhead and it was worth the cost for him.
You could make the same exact argument for Apple copying the many PDA-phones which existed long before the iPhone.
But you wouldn't, because you hold Apple to a different standard.
In terms of usability in phones these days, iPhone is the current standard. Why else is every other new phone these days lauded as an "iPhone-killer"?
hehe, tell that to the Apple guy in this thread who spends $60 every time he needs to charge his iPhone without access to an alternate power source.
No, you couldn't possibly be misunderstanding or outright misrepresenting what someone else said. That never happens.
In terms of usability in phones these days, iPhone is the current standard. Why else is every other new phone these days lauded as an "iPhone-killer"?
The same way that OS X could be seens as the "Windows killer" right?
the Google phone is pretty impressive. From the very beginning. I am looking forward to Apple's response
okay, so Ballmer's a joke but Apple should not get complacent ?
the Google phone is pretty impressive. From the very beginning. I am looking forward to Apple's response
Exactly. Apple could very well find themselves in RIM's current shoes if they do get complacent.
Steve Jobs is not the end-user. Yes, the iPhone keyboard is easy to use, but mistakes can still be made. Believe it or not, there are many, many users out there that refuse to use a virtual keyboard for many reasons (tactile response being #1). That's part of the reason why BlackBerries are still in the hands of millions. Their physical keyboards are some of the best designs out there.
Steve is not "the" end-user, but he is "an" end-user. And he gets to decide whether iPhone gets a physical keyboard or not.
I was making mistakes on physical keyboards long before the iPhone.
The Blackberry, which you mentioned, still exists for those who want it.
In addition to g3pro's comment, I want to add this. It's all "copying" because our current technology only allows for so much improvement. A capacitive touchscreen is a capacitive touchscreen. Higher capacity and faster memory and processors are still all based on the same technology. A button is a button.
If the other manufacturers just made an iPhone, then what difference would it be? Those changes are made to distiguish their products from the iPhone. Not to mention that Apple's lawyers would have a field day...
I don't fault other companies for copying the iPhone paradigm. A good paradigm is afterall very challenging to invent from scratch. Usability means there has to be some... familiarity (for lack of a better word) and that means borrowing the good elements from previous successful devices while introducing some improvements of your own.
g3pro stated that Android is setting the standard for usability. I was just wondering why anybody would say this when every other phone being introduced these days (including Android phones) is referred to as being the next iPhone-killer. Calling any phone an "iPhone-killer" sets up the iPhone as the benchmark by which all other phones are measured.
A competing model has a single button on the front to do whatever and you call it copying and put it down. Another model has 4 buttons on the front and you'll most likely call it inefficient compared to the iPhone (i.e. "Ha! My phone only needs a single button on the front!) and put it down. It's a no-win for the competition because you already made up your mind that Apple is the only winner.
When the Palm Pre came out, I went to the Sprint store to see what it was like for myself. It could never replace my iPhone, but I do think it's a pretty classy device. I like how they integrated multi-tasking into the interface. Very nice!
For the industry, I do like to see many winners.
For me personally, there need only be one winner. Because I only need one phone.
And I choose the phone that runs the same underlying OS as my computer that I'll be syncing it with.
It's undoubtablly very useful. Take driving in the car for example. We all know that we shouldn't be texting and driving. Think about if speech-to-text (Android) and voice control (iPhone) were combined through your Bluetooth headset. Use your voice to start/reply to texts or search for places and directions via Google Maps.
Or have the phone in your pocket and be able to create or reply to texts without even having to take it out!
And when your friend replies to your text you're going to read it while you are driving? Or should the SMS client read it for you? At that point, why not just call them. You do have a phone afterall.
Depends on who you're talking to. To you, they might not be. But to someone else, it definitely will be.
You might drive a 175 hp sedan because to you it's economical and it was enough for the money you paid. You neighbor might have a 523 hp sedan because he's a powerhead and it was worth the cost for him.
If the iPhone lacks "key" features for g3pro, I wonder why he/she keeps buying them?
The same way that OS X could be seens as the "Windows killer" right?
Whoa!!! Where'd that come from???
What currently sets the iPhone apart is OS X and Cocoa Touch. What will set it apart in the near future is even tighter integration with an Apple designed ARM chip, which would more than likely be optimized for OS X.
I agree with this. iPhone has a more powerful OS, and smoother OS experience. They can already do everything Nexus one does, on slower hardware. (Yea you don't get as good a camera, but I doubt the pics are that much better) Some features are future proof (like the N capability on the touch, as well as fm transmission and reciever if necessary). If the ARM chip does come out optimized for the mobile OS, it will blow other phones out of existence, even if it runs slower . Nexus is well made in terms of hardware, but its all about software and what you can do with the phone. On this front I would still give an advantage to Apple.
Originally Posted by g3pro
So it looks like it's possible to have a replaceable battery without sacrificing compact design or brute processing power.
All phones should have the ability to swap batteries so that when you're on a long trip without access to an outlet you can at least do stuff on your phone for longer than 1 battery charge.
I really hope Apple innovates the iPhone with user-replaceable batteries.
God I hope not, non replaceable battery is one of my favourite features. I hate weak plastic doors. My bets stuff starts pinging off the nexus in no time.
Then Apple should make a better battery cover that stays on securely but allows users to easily remove them when needed.
Apple will not make a video iPod. Nobody wants to watch video on an iPod.
Apple will not make a mobile phone.
Apple should not allow third parties to create native iPhone applications. Nobody needs third party iPhone applications. Web apps are really SWEET.
Apple should not add GPS to the iPhone. Nobody needs GPS.
Apple will not make a 3G iPhone. Nobody needs 3G.
Apple should not add copy and paste to the iPhone. Nobody needs copy and paste.
Apple will never switch to Intel processors.
Steve is not "the" end-user, but he is "an" end-user. And he gets to decide whether iPhone gets a physical keyboard or not.
I was making mistakes on physical keyboards long before the iPhone.
The Blackberry, which you mentioned, still exists for those who want it.
Of course he does get to decide in the end. But it's my opinion that having 2 versions would result in a huge increase in sales. The Droid showed that having a physical keyboard does not mean the device has to be thick (though its keyboard design isn't the greatest). While it will increase manufacturing costs on their end, I think it would be worth it in the end.
I don't fault other companies for copying the iPhone paradigm. A good paradigm is afterall very challenging to invent from scratch. Usability means there has to be some... familiarity (for lack of a better word) and that means borrowing the good elements from previous successful devices while introducing some improvements of your own.
g3pro stated that Android is setting the standard for usability. I was just wondering why anybody would say this when every other phone being introduced these days (including Android phones) is referred to as being the next iPhone-killer. Calling any phone an "iPhone-killer" sets up the iPhone as the benchmark by which all other phones are measured.
When the Palm Pre came out, I went to the Sprint store to see what it was like for myself. It could never replace my iPhone, but I do think it's a pretty classy device. I like how they integrated multi-tasking into the interface. Very nice!
For the industry, I do like to see many winners.
For me personally, there need only be one winner. Because I only need one phone.
And I choose the phone that runs the same underlying OS as my computer that I'll be syncing it with.
I might have misread the intentions of your post. I'm just tired of seeing articles and posts where Apple is applauded for being the first to use the "full screen, small number of buttons" design and any company that does the same is put down because of it. If something works, it works.
Die-hard Apple fanboys are the only ones that I see using the "you're a copy-cat, so you stink as a phone" routine. I work designing helicopters and if you look around, you'll see that the vast majority of helicopters uses the concept that our company's founder settled on: 1 main rotor, 1 tail rotor. Why? Because it just works well. Our competitors also use the same layout. Are their helicopters any worse than ours? We'd like to think so, but in reality, no they aren't. Same applies to the smartphones. Apple found a recipe that works, so I don't blame anyone for copying certain aspects. It just makes business sense, after all.
And when your friend replies to your text you're going to read it while you are driving? Or should the SMS client read it for you? At that point, why not just call them. You do have a phone afterall.
Actually, IIRC, the Nexus One does have the ability to read a text or e-mail back to you. One trend I've noticed in the younger generation (read: mid 20s and younger) is that there's more and more texting and less and less actual talking.
I only have a 450 minute plan with unlimited text and data and I barely go over 100 minutes a month. But the amount of text and data I send would give anyone a heart attack if the bill was presented to them on a per-text charge.
And yes, in that case, calling them would work. But remember, the voice-to-text works on all text fields on the Nexus One. So you can use it to much more than just reply/sent texts and e-mails. Assuming, of course, that voice control becomes an integrated part of the phone.
If the iPhone lacks "key" features for g3pro, I wonder why he/she keeps buying them?
No idea. You'll have to ask him/her.
Whoa!!! Where'd that come from???
That was a bit of sarcasm. Take it lightly.
My best guess is that its like all those mobile devices that started coming out with G chips a while ago but didn't have the guts to use G speeds: the value of G on a mobile device is that it doesn't slow the rest of your wireless network down to B speeds since they operate at the lowest common mode. Does the same apply with N routers - they fall back to the lowest common mode?
Reviewers, App Store, and multi-touch notwithstanding, this is a very good product. Basically, the competition has caught up with Apple at this point (and perhaps bested it in a couple of key areas).
Apple must -- I have no doubt they will -- really push the envelope and change the game, yet again, with its 4th generation iPhone.
It would be good if there some preview of that at the forthcoming event.
What nonsense to say that the competition has caught up. In what way? 802.11n? Screen res? Voice search? How easily you dismiss the hidden advantages in the complete OS which are ready but yet to be added as Apple sees fit? What about the ecosphere? Nexus One is a fearful response not to the iPhone but to the shift to MIDs that Apple triggered. Otherwise, it is just a follow-Apple phone.
ChandraC
I really like how everyone was mocking Apple for not including a physical keyboard in the iPhone ... and now we see all these competitive products that don't have a physical keyboard.
The Droid from Verizon has a physical keyboard.
At least there are options for what you want...
What nonsense to say that the competition has caught up. In what way? 802.11n? Screen res? Voice search? How easily you dismiss the hidden advantages in the complete OS which are ready but yet to be added as Apple sees fit? What about the ecosphere? Nexus One is a fearful response not to the iPhone but to the shift to MIDs that Apple triggered. Otherwise, it is just a follow-Apple phone.
ChandraC
When you have a better screen, higher resolution, larger size, faster processor, multitasking in all applications, more RAM, voice input for text fields, user-upgradable storage space, then you have done more than caught up: you actually surpassed the iPhone.
You can't follow Apple if they haven't implemented any of the above features. Sorry. Not in this world at least.
Are you guys on crack?
You can arrange any iPhone icons any way you want. .
Can you arrange them to hug the bottom of the screen? Can you arrange them to have open spaces between groups of icons? Or to have different arrangements on different pages, so you can tell at a glance which page you are on, and scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll that much faster?
Nope.
You can't even maintaim them alphabetically, fer chrissakes! The app-launcher/sorter capabilities of the iPhone are horrible.
I also bet you that Apple will do something similar soon - at least for all of the free apps.
There are too many of them and Apple doesn't get any of the revenue.
Get ready for ads on all free apps unless the publisher pays a per app publishing fee.
Wanna bet on it?
iPhone 4GL - a Verizon exclusive - July 2010 (L for LTE)
Don't want to bet on that one - just want to here my dream out loud
Can you arrange them to hug the bottom of the screen? Can you arrange them to have open spaces between groups of icons? Or to have different arrangements on different pages, so you can tell at a glance which page you are on, and scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll that much faster?
Nope.
You can't even maintaim them alphabetically, fer chrissakes! The app-launcher/sorter capabilities of the iPhone are horrible.
I have never wanted to do any of that on my iPod touch. I have 70 apps.
However, I bet that this will be addressed in the iPhone v4.0 OS when it runs on the iTablet.
I also think that they will allow for multi-tasking, but it would be a mistake to allow all apps to stay active. I hope that an app has to do something special if it needs to be co-resident with other apps. I don't want to remember to close the game app before launching Facebook so that my device doesn't slow down to a crawl. Not sure who the Android OS is going to hold up under the weight of first time smart phone users with 50+ apps.
If you ask me (and you didn't) Apple was smart to restrict multi-tasking up to now. It's very complicated for developers to get this right. I've been working with mobile applications for 15 years. The app store would not be as successful if all the apps could be running on the phone at the same time. There would be problems. There would be complaints.
I don't have an iPhone, but I have an iPod touch, iMac, and Apple TV.
I have an iPhone 3GS here, but lets not kid ourselves. The original incarnation DID set the standard for what modern smartphones are aiming to be - but setting the standard then settling for stagnation/resting on your laurels is NOT the way to go. While I do like my 3GS, it still very much feels like a device out of 2007.
I wonder how much battery life would take a hit if the next firmware update allowed the 3GS processor at its intended 833mhz...