Tablets sell better with downpayment of $600, than at the entire price of $1000.
Maybe but you missed the problem, these approaches are TERRIBLE for the consummer. They vastly inflate the cost of hardware and services. Frankly they are about as sleaze as some of the "rent to own" shops that end up getting 2-3x what a product is worth from people that buy from such places.
In any event I don't think there is enough evidence to make the statement you did. Just how many tablets are available in this manner.
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What mistakes?
The mistake of a carrier locked device for one.
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We're not bashing Orange like the Americans do AT&T. Orange provides very satisfactory service, better than anyone else.
I haven't bashed AT&T. In fact my service is as good as Verizons locally. Most of the people complaining about AT&T live in Americas he'll holes like Boston, NYC and San Francisco. They blame AT&T for poor service when they should be directing their anger at the corrupt cities they live in.
All that being said though carrier locked cell phones suck hard. Especially if you travel fir extensive periods. Right now I could take my iPhone to Europe and slap a sim card in it for a month. Well not without doing an unlock.
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Tablet user needs connectivity anyway. What is then the point to refuse carrier's contract?
The expense of the contract. The length of term of the contract. The danger of being carrier locked. The grossly inflated cost of the contract. Frankly there are many factors that force one to question a carrier contract.
As to that greatly inflated cost, my phone will soon be off contract. Groovy right? Well yeah but shouldn't my monthly charge go down substantially. Really I'm not paying the balance of my IPhones cost anymore so why don't rates drop?
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Subsidized model is actually a speculation by the guys who blogged about this interview.
Sure it is, that is what the forum is all about. However we can ralley against it can't we?
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Tablet will be expensive. I will not explain for free why.
It's not the laptop replacement, Apple will find another niche for this product.
A direct replacement, maybe note. But you missed my point again it is not about Apples marketing but how people will judge the machine against their needs. In that regard they will compare the tablet to laptop computers and other alternatives. Even with all the tech Apple throws at it it will be a tough sell.
If we are lucky this will be one of those used Apple products that can be had cheap because nobody was willing to put up with it. Sort of like the AIR.
Are we talking $30 plan or $50 and $200, I say more like $299 or $499 with plan and $999 without. No free option for AT&T at $1000.
Just wireless. If your an AT&T customer you'll have to get yet another plan so expect verizon to get a lot of sales. We'l see I suppose.
Typically every carrier requires you to establish a second line on your account for such access.
also, no way would the FCC go for such a stretch in the price. cause all the carriers would want to have an ETF that matches that kind of buy in.
so you are looking at something like $899 full up (and hopefully 3g is unlocked and optional) and perhaps $599 with a rebate/subsidy for a 2 year on the added line (with matching ETF)
as for this gentlemen's confirmations, I highly doubt he knows Jack, or Jacque if you wish. Apple might leak a few details but it will be to US sources like the Wall Street Journal (to help bump stock prices as well as build hype). Sounds more like he's reading rumors and comments from folks like us (I've been saying video chat and open 3g for ages) positioned as fact and is replying as such. several of the overseas tech sites have a habit of forgetting to put 'rumored' in their statements so the mistake isn't shocking
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Which US network is capable of supporting another 3G device, if it's as popular as being assumed? Unless Apple brings out a CDMA/GSM tablet, it will end up on ATT or T-Mobile.
or option C. both.
yeah, I believe any 3g will be unlocked. it makes a lot of sense given the crap Apple is getting over ATT's issues. Plus we know that T-Mobile can handle the iphone well enough to satisfy since folks have been unlocking the phone to use on their network.
my hopes in the matter are that it is also dual and optional. All 3 points would position the tablet as the ultimate gateway device way better than a required, GSM locked to a single carrier ever could
Kindle DX has 3G and there is no charge. I realize that an Apple slate would be so much more than a ebook reader but is it too much to hope there may be no monthly charge for 3G? Maybe the cost of 3G would be in the price of the Slate? If there is a charge I hope there is a deal for existing ATT iPhone users. say in the $10/mo range? I could live with that to have the slate.
What all of you are discussing is the fact it appears Apple may have joined the fold of all other makers of expensive, well designed, durable and reputable products. Focus anywhere other than the US with its value based mentality and low standards of acceptable performance. i.e. cheap.
You are also discussing the mess inherent in our free-for-all cellular market. No standards and rather dumb consumers.
I could easily see a GSM based tablet. Why screw with the mess over here when there's a perfectly viable market, with higher prices, in Europe and most of the rest of the world?
why are you worried about apple "looking greedy"? why would you be worried about a "community's opInion" changing for the negative?
do you think their success is built upon not looking greedy?
Look at what has happened to GM and Chysler, they got greedy and got trounced. Or for that matter look at Levis, who certainly didn't react fast enough to consummer trends. In the case of jeans that industry got very greedy and then ended up empty handed when consummers changed their habits overnight. Part of that rapid change was due to the impression that the cost of a pair of jeans had inflated beyound reason.
Now you might not think this applies to Apple but you would be wrong. If you are a stock holder or another interested party you have to be concerned too. Especially whe Apple gas had a history of pricing hardware way to high bringing on dramatic failures (Cube for one). The last thing Apple needs is another failure that is a direct result of prices being substantially higher than a reasonable customer is willing to pay.
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their success is due to good product,, good service and good marketing of their devices etc.
I'd say good product, good service and good value. Notably the value equation has gotten really good on their laptops and desk tops over the last couple of years. That has resulted in strongly increasing sales.
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i care about good hardware & good software, if it's too expensive i won't pay it - simple.
who cares whether the manufacturer is (or looks) greedy????
OK what is the difference????????
Sure some products are more expensive due to additional value which can make them difficult to buy. The same could be said about a grossly over priced tablet. If it is expensive relative to alternatives then the manufacture looks greedy.
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apple don't care about your reputation, why care about their's?
Where did you ever get that idea. Frankly I don't know of a company that works harder to keep in the good graces of the community. Apples reputation is more important to them then you may ever realize. It is something they have worked very hard at.
Knowing AT&T they probably won't let you use your existing data plan, but I wonder if they will give a deal if you already have an iPhone data plan. Like tack on $10 extra a month instead of another 30$.
Assuming AT$T gets it. If this thing does what everyone thinks it will, the iPhone will be the least of AT$T's worries when it comes to network congestion. Im not convinced AT$T will get this, Apple is smarter than that, I hope.
I haven't bashed AT&T. In fact my service is as good as Verizons locally. Most of the people complaining about AT&T live in Americas he'll holes like Boston, NYC and San Francisco. They blame AT&T for poor service when they should be directing their anger at the corrupt cities they live in.
Oh please explain the conspiracy? How ANYTHING other than AT$T sucking has to do with AT$T sucking, this should be good.
As always, there may or may not be a tablet/slate product forthcoming, but this story looks like people misreading the response to the questions asked. Looked to me like she was merely saying "yes" that the network would be open to the device described, not that she had any knowledge of such a device.
Mr Richard, exec at orange says that the size and quality Orange Network is able to support these new usages.
For me this would not be relevant if the tablet did not have 3G capabilities
And he is probably right.
For one thing, Orange is a ISP. As such, you will be capable of connecting the new iSlate to the internet via Wi-Fi from your home and most business offices, as well as on the road.
Secondly, Orange is a wireless service provider and will and can provide internet connection via tethering to the iPhone. If the iSlate is GSM/CMDA compatible, it will connect directly to their wireless service and as has been previously posted, at an incremental cost in service.
I personally think of the iSlate as a new paradigm, not our existing computers or wireless phones per se. We will use it, primarily on our laps, surfing the net, reading books and magazines, emailing, video chatting, etc in the home. In business, it will be a great tool for presentations, video conferencing, sales presentation, etc. Not for editing photos or videos, programming, accounting, etc., that would require professional level programs such as Illustrator, Photoshop, etc., and/or heavy weight rendering/compiling.
In other words, the iSlate will be designed for everybody else. It will complement those of us who have everything, those who don't need consumer/pro computing powers (at all or all the time), those of us who have family members who are left out of the loop because another laptop/desktop in the house is just overkill.
We will be able to carry it from room to room, pass it amongst the family, even take it into the john. Somethings that isn't as easily done even with a laptop.
There will be some families that will have one in virtually every room in the house. It will serve as a communication tool, video monitoring, entertainment center, etc., and replace the telephone.
Note that if it is GSM/CMDA compatible, it is going to cost to be connected, whether directly or tethered. And don't think that Wi-Fi is free.
Somebody has to pay for the connection somewhere along the line. Whether we do at home via our ISP, or our company provides it at work, we are in school, we are tethered to our cell phones, sitting in a coffee shop or all those so-called 'free' WI-Fi spots that our wireless service provided, the initial cost for the service has been paid for by somebody and will continue to pay for; In most cases, by all of us. We just don't think or realize how, how much and when.
It'll be $800 - $1200 without subsidies. Has to be. It'll sell at that price.
That is way to high. I'd suggest a starting price of $500 for the base model. No matter how you look at it this is nothing more than a fat iPod Touch. It will still be using an ARM CPU, flash memory and other low cost parts. I'd be surprised if the logic board was all that much bigger.
Oh I truely doubt people would pay $1200 for an ARM based anything. Especially considering an Arrandale laptop will be close to that price. It would have to floss between your legs everyday to jusify that price.
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Web cam is a shoo-in
I actually think you are right there. Just as long as I can turn it off when I want to.
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The Air is not a flop by the way. I don't why people imagine it is.
Oh how about every indication seen in the last couple of years. Apple should be embarrassed by AIR. At least in our local store very little space is dedicated to AIR and I don't think it has ever sold well online.
AIR is infact a good example of what you get when you over price poor performance and limited capability. In any event if younthink AIR is a good value and is selling well then I can see where you might think this tablet at $1200 might make sense. The reality is a different story though, all we are getting is a 32 bit CPU or two, limited address space, limited memory an embedded GPU and other shortcomings. Still you think people will pay $1200 for that.
Some will in the same sense they did with AIR. That is the week minded will flock to the stores to snap them up on release day, three months later dead silence in the stores.
In a way I wish that Apple did have a secret sauce to make for a tasty tablet. I'm affraid however that we will get some gimmicks on top of an iPod Touch.
Kindle DX has 3G and there is no charge. I realize that an Apple slate would be so much more than a ebook reader but is it too much to hope there may be no monthly charge for 3G? Maybe the cost of 3G would be in the price of the Slate? If there is a charge I hope there is a deal for existing ATT iPhone users. say in the $10/mo range? I could live with that to have the slate.
Very plausible, since the Kindle like virtually everything else is not free*.
Somewhere in the food chain, somebody is paying the piper.
Hiding or not disclosing the cost breakdown is not illegal. Whether it is charged in the price of the device or content that it delivers, nobody or company can exist giving everything away for free.
Unfortunately, we are so predisposed to 'free' offers that we can't quite accept it when somebody lists it openly. Then we accuse them of gouging.
Maybe but you missed the problem, these approaches are TERRIBLE for the consummer. They vastly inflate the cost of hardware and services. Frankly they are about as sleaze as some of the "rent to own" shops that end up getting 2-3x what a product is worth from people that buy from such places.
No, no, I didn't. I'm just trying to provide well-balanced accounts and analysis. People are used to whine. Well, that's the way to occasionally have something for free.
Sure, carriers inflate prices. That's a given. On the other hand, they sell packages which work out of the box saving our time and ensuring acceptable level of quality.
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In any event I don't think there is enough evidence to make the statement you did. Just how many tablets are available in this manner.
Well, the word "tablets" was provocative interpolation and prolongation of known sales trends. iPhones were selling better with contracts than at EUR 700.
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Especially if you travel fir extensive periods. Right now I could take my iPhone to Europe and slap a sim card in it for a month. Well not without doing an unlock.
I did value Orange's roaming service during my trips. I had much more than I would have with switching SIM cards and looking myself for services I needed.
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Sure it is, that is what the forum is all about. However we can ralley against it can't we?
We don't know for sure, how exactly tablet is gonna be priced. We don't know what exactly to whine about.
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A direct replacement, maybe note. But you missed my point again it is not about Apples marketing but how people will judge the machine against their needs. In that regard they will compare the tablet to laptop computers and other alternatives. Even with all the tech Apple throws at it it will be a tough sell.
If we are lucky this will be one of those used Apple products that can be had cheap because nobody was willing to put up with it. Sort of like the AIR.
Dave
Apple used to define use-cases strict. I think the difference between laptop and tablet ones will be seen. Not by everyone, though.
It's being said now that whoever translated what that Richard guy had said didn't do a good job.
All he seems to have done is say yes he acknowledges that there are rumors. Does anyone really expects this guy to know anything?
He is just as clueless as everybody else about the tablet. Well, except of course the regular appleinsider forum members that is.
I say regular members because currently there are a lot of noobs who've joined recently because of all the Apple tablet excitement. They of course are absolutely clueless!
I'm French so I know exactly what Richard said and I can give you the real and full translation. First in French :
- Elkabbach: Selon l'hebdomadaire "LePoint", dans quelques jours votre partenaire Apple va lancer une tablette ...
- Richard: Richard : Oui. [avec un léger sourire complice et informé]
- Elkabbach: ... dotée d'une webcam
- Richard: Oui.
- Elkabbach: Est-ce que les usagers d'Orange en bénéficieront aussi ?
- Richard: Bien sûr ! Ils en bénéficieront, d'autant plus facilement qu'avec la webcam on pourra en effet se transmettre de l'image en temps réel ; on va moderniser en quelques sortes ce visio-phone qu'on a connu il y a quelques années.
And in English :
- Elkabbach: According to weekly "Le Point", in a couple of days Apple will launch its tablet ...
- Richard: Yes. [with a smile informated and accomplice]
- Elkabbach: ... equipped with a webcam
- Richard: Yes.
- Elkabbach: Are Orange customers going to be able to get it ?
- Richard: Of course ! They will be able to get it, more easily that with the webcam, we'll be able to forward real-time video ; we gonna modernize the visio-phones that we saw over the past few years.
Oh wow. I think Steve Jobs just found his next unwitting organ donor.
Can not agree more, if what he says is true about feature in the product, you can pretty much be assure Jobs will be removing a few of this guys vital organs.
On the other hand it could be a calculated release of information to counter all the hype coming out of CES since no one else was showing off video calls on their products.
If this guy comes out with his organs it was calculated, if France Telecom all of sudden does not have the product Jobs cut him off.
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Tablets sell better with downpayment of $600, than at the entire price of $1000.
Maybe but you missed the problem, these approaches are TERRIBLE for the consummer. They vastly inflate the cost of hardware and services. Frankly they are about as sleaze as some of the "rent to own" shops that end up getting 2-3x what a product is worth from people that buy from such places.
In any event I don't think there is enough evidence to make the statement you did. Just how many tablets are available in this manner.
What mistakes?
The mistake of a carrier locked device for one.
We're not bashing Orange like the Americans do AT&T. Orange provides very satisfactory service, better than anyone else.
I haven't bashed AT&T. In fact my service is as good as Verizons locally. Most of the people complaining about AT&T live in Americas he'll holes like Boston, NYC and San Francisco. They blame AT&T for poor service when they should be directing their anger at the corrupt cities they live in.
All that being said though carrier locked cell phones suck hard. Especially if you travel fir extensive periods. Right now I could take my iPhone to Europe and slap a sim card in it for a month. Well not without doing an unlock.
Tablet user needs connectivity anyway. What is then the point to refuse carrier's contract?
The expense of the contract. The length of term of the contract. The danger of being carrier locked. The grossly inflated cost of the contract. Frankly there are many factors that force one to question a carrier contract.
As to that greatly inflated cost, my phone will soon be off contract. Groovy right? Well yeah but shouldn't my monthly charge go down substantially. Really I'm not paying the balance of my IPhones cost anymore so why don't rates drop?
Subsidized model is actually a speculation by the guys who blogged about this interview.
Sure it is, that is what the forum is all about. However we can ralley against it can't we?
Tablet will be expensive. I will not explain for free why.
It's not the laptop replacement, Apple will find another niche for this product.
A direct replacement, maybe note. But you missed my point again it is not about Apples marketing but how people will judge the machine against their needs. In that regard they will compare the tablet to laptop computers and other alternatives. Even with all the tech Apple throws at it it will be a tough sell.
If we are lucky this will be one of those used Apple products that can be had cheap because nobody was willing to put up with it. Sort of like the AIR.
Dave
Are we talking $30 plan or $50 and $200, I say more like $299 or $499 with plan and $999 without. No free option for AT&T at $1000.
Just wireless. If your an AT&T customer you'll have to get yet another plan so expect verizon to get a lot of sales. We'l see I suppose.
Typically every carrier requires you to establish a second line on your account for such access.
also, no way would the FCC go for such a stretch in the price. cause all the carriers would want to have an ETF that matches that kind of buy in.
so you are looking at something like $899 full up (and hopefully 3g is unlocked and optional) and perhaps $599 with a rebate/subsidy for a 2 year on the added line (with matching ETF)
as for this gentlemen's confirmations, I highly doubt he knows Jack, or Jacque if you wish. Apple might leak a few details but it will be to US sources like the Wall Street Journal (to help bump stock prices as well as build hype). Sounds more like he's reading rumors and comments from folks like us (I've been saying video chat and open 3g for ages) positioned as fact and is replying as such. several of the overseas tech sites have a habit of forgetting to put 'rumored' in their statements so the mistake isn't shocking
Which US network is capable of supporting another 3G device, if it's as popular as being assumed? Unless Apple brings out a CDMA/GSM tablet, it will end up on ATT or T-Mobile.
or option C. both.
yeah, I believe any 3g will be unlocked. it makes a lot of sense given the crap Apple is getting over ATT's issues. Plus we know that T-Mobile can handle the iphone well enough to satisfy since folks have been unlocking the phone to use on their network.
my hopes in the matter are that it is also dual and optional. All 3 points would position the tablet as the ultimate gateway device way better than a required, GSM locked to a single carrier ever could
Web cam is a shoo-in
The Air is not a flop by the way. I don't why people imagine it is.
You are also discussing the mess inherent in our free-for-all cellular market. No standards and rather dumb consumers.
I could easily see a GSM based tablet. Why screw with the mess over here when there's a perfectly viable market, with higher prices, in Europe and most of the rest of the world?
why are you worried about apple "looking greedy"? why would you be worried about a "community's opInion" changing for the negative?
do you think their success is built upon not looking greedy?
Look at what has happened to GM and Chysler, they got greedy and got trounced. Or for that matter look at Levis, who certainly didn't react fast enough to consummer trends. In the case of jeans that industry got very greedy and then ended up empty handed when consummers changed their habits overnight. Part of that rapid change was due to the impression that the cost of a pair of jeans had inflated beyound reason.
Now you might not think this applies to Apple but you would be wrong. If you are a stock holder or another interested party you have to be concerned too. Especially whe Apple gas had a history of pricing hardware way to high bringing on dramatic failures (Cube for one). The last thing Apple needs is another failure that is a direct result of prices being substantially higher than a reasonable customer is willing to pay.
their success is due to good product,, good service and good marketing of their devices etc.
I'd say good product, good service and good value. Notably the value equation has gotten really good on their laptops and desk tops over the last couple of years. That has resulted in strongly increasing sales.
i care about good hardware & good software, if it's too expensive i won't pay it - simple.
who cares whether the manufacturer is (or looks) greedy????
OK what is the difference????????
Sure some products are more expensive due to additional value which can make them difficult to buy. The same could be said about a grossly over priced tablet. If it is expensive relative to alternatives then the manufacture looks greedy.
apple don't care about your reputation, why care about their's?
Where did you ever get that idea. Frankly I don't know of a company that works harder to keep in the good graces of the community. Apples reputation is more important to them then you may ever realize. It is something they have worked very hard at.
Dace
Knowing AT&T they probably won't let you use your existing data plan, but I wonder if they will give a deal if you already have an iPhone data plan. Like tack on $10 extra a month instead of another 30$.
Assuming AT$T gets it. If this thing does what everyone thinks it will, the iPhone will be the least of AT$T's worries when it comes to network congestion. Im not convinced AT$T will get this, Apple is smarter than that, I hope.
I haven't bashed AT&T. In fact my service is as good as Verizons locally. Most of the people complaining about AT&T live in Americas he'll holes like Boston, NYC and San Francisco. They blame AT&T for poor service when they should be directing their anger at the corrupt cities they live in.
Oh please explain the conspiracy? How ANYTHING other than AT$T sucking has to do with AT$T sucking, this should be good.
Mr Richard, exec at orange says that the size and quality Orange Network is able to support these new usages.
For me this would not be relevant if the tablet did not have 3G capabilities
And he is probably right.
For one thing, Orange is a ISP. As such, you will be capable of connecting the new iSlate to the internet via Wi-Fi from your home and most business offices, as well as on the road.
Secondly, Orange is a wireless service provider and will and can provide internet connection via tethering to the iPhone. If the iSlate is GSM/CMDA compatible, it will connect directly to their wireless service and as has been previously posted, at an incremental cost in service.
I personally think of the iSlate as a new paradigm, not our existing computers or wireless phones per se. We will use it, primarily on our laps, surfing the net, reading books and magazines, emailing, video chatting, etc in the home. In business, it will be a great tool for presentations, video conferencing, sales presentation, etc. Not for editing photos or videos, programming, accounting, etc., that would require professional level programs such as Illustrator, Photoshop, etc., and/or heavy weight rendering/compiling.
In other words, the iSlate will be designed for everybody else. It will complement those of us who have everything, those who don't need consumer/pro computing powers (at all or all the time), those of us who have family members who are left out of the loop because another laptop/desktop in the house is just overkill.
We will be able to carry it from room to room, pass it amongst the family, even take it into the john. Somethings that isn't as easily done even with a laptop.
There will be some families that will have one in virtually every room in the house. It will serve as a communication tool, video monitoring, entertainment center, etc., and replace the telephone.
Note that if it is GSM/CMDA compatible, it is going to cost to be connected, whether directly or tethered. And don't think that Wi-Fi is free.
Somebody has to pay for the connection somewhere along the line. Whether we do at home via our ISP, or our company provides it at work, we are in school, we are tethered to our cell phones, sitting in a coffee shop or all those so-called 'free' WI-Fi spots that our wireless service provided, the initial cost for the service has been paid for by somebody and will continue to pay for; In most cases, by all of us. We just don't think or realize how, how much and when.
D'accord.
It'll be $800 - $1200 without subsidies. Has to be. It'll sell at that price.
That is way to high. I'd suggest a starting price of $500 for the base model. No matter how you look at it this is nothing more than a fat iPod Touch. It will still be using an ARM CPU, flash memory and other low cost parts. I'd be surprised if the logic board was all that much bigger.
Oh I truely doubt people would pay $1200 for an ARM based anything. Especially considering an Arrandale laptop will be close to that price. It would have to floss between your legs everyday to jusify that price.
Web cam is a shoo-in
I actually think you are right there. Just as long as I can turn it off when I want to.
The Air is not a flop by the way. I don't why people imagine it is.
Oh how about every indication seen in the last couple of years. Apple should be embarrassed by AIR. At least in our local store very little space is dedicated to AIR and I don't think it has ever sold well online.
AIR is infact a good example of what you get when you over price poor performance and limited capability. In any event if younthink AIR is a good value and is selling well then I can see where you might think this tablet at $1200 might make sense. The reality is a different story though, all we are getting is a 32 bit CPU or two, limited address space, limited memory an embedded GPU and other shortcomings. Still you think people will pay $1200 for that.
Some will in the same sense they did with AIR. That is the week minded will flock to the stores to snap them up on release day, three months later dead silence in the stores.
In a way I wish that Apple did have a secret sauce to make for a tasty tablet. I'm affraid however that we will get some gimmicks on top of an iPod Touch.
Dave
Kindle DX has 3G and there is no charge. I realize that an Apple slate would be so much more than a ebook reader but is it too much to hope there may be no monthly charge for 3G? Maybe the cost of 3G would be in the price of the Slate? If there is a charge I hope there is a deal for existing ATT iPhone users. say in the $10/mo range? I could live with that to have the slate.
Very plausible, since the Kindle like virtually everything else is not free*.
Somewhere in the food chain, somebody is paying the piper.
Hiding or not disclosing the cost breakdown is not illegal. Whether it is charged in the price of the device or content that it delivers, nobody or company can exist giving everything away for free.
Unfortunately, we are so predisposed to 'free' offers that we can't quite accept it when somebody lists it openly. Then we accuse them of gouging.
*http://ireaderreview.com/2009/10/07/...-coverage-map/
Maybe but you missed the problem, these approaches are TERRIBLE for the consummer. They vastly inflate the cost of hardware and services. Frankly they are about as sleaze as some of the "rent to own" shops that end up getting 2-3x what a product is worth from people that buy from such places.
No, no, I didn't. I'm just trying to provide well-balanced accounts and analysis. People are used to whine. Well, that's the way to occasionally have something for free.
Sure, carriers inflate prices. That's a given. On the other hand, they sell packages which work out of the box saving our time and ensuring acceptable level of quality.
In any event I don't think there is enough evidence to make the statement you did. Just how many tablets are available in this manner.
Well, the word "tablets" was provocative interpolation and prolongation of known sales trends. iPhones were selling better with contracts than at EUR 700.
Especially if you travel fir extensive periods. Right now I could take my iPhone to Europe and slap a sim card in it for a month. Well not without doing an unlock.
I did value Orange's roaming service during my trips. I had much more than I would have with switching SIM cards and looking myself for services I needed.
Sure it is, that is what the forum is all about. However we can ralley against it can't we?
We don't know for sure, how exactly tablet is gonna be priced. We don't know what exactly to whine about.
A direct replacement, maybe note. But you missed my point again it is not about Apples marketing but how people will judge the machine against their needs. In that regard they will compare the tablet to laptop computers and other alternatives. Even with all the tech Apple throws at it it will be a tough sell.
If we are lucky this will be one of those used Apple products that can be had cheap because nobody was willing to put up with it. Sort of like the AIR.
Dave
Apple used to define use-cases strict. I think the difference between laptop and tablet ones will be seen. Not by everyone, though.
I actually think you are right there. Just as long as I can turn it off when I want to.
You are kidding, right?
All he seems to have done is say yes he acknowledges that there are rumors. Does anyone really expects this guy to know anything?
He is just as clueless as everybody else about the tablet. Well, except of course the regular appleinsider forum members that is.
I say regular members because currently there are a lot of noobs who've joined recently because of all the Apple tablet excitement. They of course are absolutely clueless!
I'm French so I know exactly what Richard said and I can give you the real and full translation. First in French :
- Elkabbach: Selon l'hebdomadaire "LePoint", dans quelques jours votre partenaire Apple va lancer une tablette ...
- Richard: Richard : Oui. [avec un léger sourire complice et informé]
- Elkabbach: ... dotée d'une webcam
- Richard: Oui.
- Elkabbach: Est-ce que les usagers d'Orange en bénéficieront aussi ?
- Richard: Bien sûr ! Ils en bénéficieront, d'autant plus facilement qu'avec la webcam on pourra en effet se transmettre de l'image en temps réel ; on va moderniser en quelques sortes ce visio-phone qu'on a connu il y a quelques années.
And in English :
- Elkabbach: According to weekly "Le Point", in a couple of days Apple will launch its tablet ...
- Richard: Yes. [with a smile informated and accomplice]
- Elkabbach: ... equipped with a webcam
- Richard: Yes.
- Elkabbach: Are Orange customers going to be able to get it ?
- Richard: Of course ! They will be able to get it, more easily that with the webcam, we'll be able to forward real-time video ; we gonna modernize the visio-phones that we saw over the past few years.
That is the exact and full translation,
thank you.
Oh wow. I think Steve Jobs just found his next unwitting organ donor.
Can not agree more, if what he says is true about feature in the product, you can pretty much be assure Jobs will be removing a few of this guys vital organs.
On the other hand it could be a calculated release of information to counter all the hype coming out of CES since no one else was showing off video calls on their products.
If this guy comes out with his organs it was calculated, if France Telecom all of sudden does not have the product Jobs cut him off.