Had you taken a moment to actually follow the discussion we were having, you might have noticed that the 'Think Different' comment was actually regarding the use of advanced composites in the manufacture of structural components, and not about the physical design of the device.[/CENTER]
Unibody construction solves a number of problems with portable computers.
The anodised case is very hard and not prone to scratching.
The internal structure allows the case to act as an inner chassis and mount components
The metal case acts as a huge heat sink and means you don't need a fan or ventilation holes.
I think it is a good fake. Although the reflections look a bit dodgy.
But it is clearly supposed to be an Apple design because of the home buttons.
C.
But these fakes are supposed to look like Apple designs, right? When was the last time the real thing was photographed in the wild a week before it was announced, let alone posed nicely, in focus, with good lighting? Ever?
People do seem to want to get sucked in though, especially at the height of fake season. The really odd part is the number of people who seriously seem to believe that the tablet design will be little more than a direct extrapolation of previous Apple products. Was the iPhone designed that way? Wasn't part of the wow factor for the iPhone the fact that it was so unlike anything Apple (or anybody else) had done before?
Modern industrial design tends to stem from more masculine cues these days e.g. more pronounced/less rounded edges, and better defined/less smooth character lines.
The 'soft' curvy lines/surfaces of the iPhone and its ilk have grown rather 'long in the tooth' when compared to some of the more current gadget/industrial designs.
Yes, slightly different design cues. This is different from say the more pronounced design differences of the Droid vs that of the iPhone. Which amusingly still has rounded edges because, you know, pointy edges hurt.
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Your argument appears more related to actual form factor, which given the purpose of this device simply is what it is, leaving the design details to make the device truly distinctive.
That's a whole lotta words to say form follows function. What makes the device truly distinctive isn't the design details but the user experience. Which is more dominated by software and UI design rather than case design. Given the number of iPhone look-alikes that suck that's not a very difficult assertion to defend.
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Originally Posted by DaHarder
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Had you taken a moment to actually follow the discussion we were having, you might have noticed that the 'Think Different' comment was actually regarding the use of advanced composites in the manufacture of structural components, and not about the physical design of the device.
Gee, you made a 3d mock up composited on a MBP in order to discuss the case material and not form factor design? Interesting. In any case there's no reason not to apply the same litmus test to physical design as well as component materials.
Besides, given that Sony has a carbon fiber laptop it's not thinking all that different anyway. Especially if you tack on a silver bezel to your design to make it look like...oh my gosh...an iPhone 3G which also has a black plastic back.
Gee, and you still have roundy edges and is no more masculine in design than the MBP it sits on with fairly pronounced edges.
Tip #1 for mock up designers: not to get all defensive with the least bit of criticisms.
But these fakes are supposed to look like Apple designs, right? When was the last time the real thing was photographed in the wild a week before it was announced, let alone posed nicely, in focus, with good lighting? Ever?
Centering his text is kinda a poser designer thing. That it makes it annoying to read doesn't matter as much as his image of being some kinda uber designer (hey look! I defy conventions! I thunk different!).
Form over function. Probably one of the worst criticisms on a design unless it was intended to be such.
I drive it a round for a few days and weeks, it smells, looks and feels new. I keep it in the garage: the first time I wash it - it looks just as new, ahh wonderful - then one day there is a stone chip on the hood, dang~; another day someone puts a dent in the side door! double dang: After a while it doesn't look new and I stop caring - its just a car. Same deal with IPhone, iTablet, Its my ego that doesn't like it scratched. I can try and protect it with a cover or whatever but after a while - why bother?
With PC laptops, droids etc they are not marketed to the ego as much Apple devices are, thats why we don't care if they get all scratched as much? Similar with multitouch after a while I get used to the features - they don't wow me like when I bought it.
I'm mystified by the assertion that "modern design" is "more masculine", going for hard edges over curves.
Outside of the Droid, where is this phenomena in evidence? For instance, a newer phone that the Droid, the Nexus One, is all about curves. Certainly the Pre is a soft form. In the architecture world, gently undulating curves, made possible by computer assisted design and new materials, are all the rage. Furniture? Hadn't noticed any tendencies on way or the other. Cars? Absolutely not.
Could it be that DaHarder just pulled a random idea out of his ass because of vestigial enthusiasm for the Droid? Which almost immediately started to look a little silly?
I took apart my Macbook (circa 2006) 2.0Ghz Core Duo.
I know a "tablet" has been made out of a Macbook BUT....
You could easily fit that logic board in a 3/4" thick housing (in fact I think it is pretty close already). I'm sure ventilation would be an issue, but with a aluminum chassis it would be able to dissipate heat rather quickly. I understand the components wouldn't be compatible with ARM. I'm just saying, the insides of a macbook are not that space taking. the thickest part is the battery, then the DVD drive, then the HDD & ports. The heaviest part is...the battery, then the screen.
Personally I think something as powerful as a MacBook should be doable in a 10" tablet style machine. Maybe not the same functionality, but something as powerful. Only problem I see is weight and battery life.
Please stop this center-aligned crap, it's so hard to read, and it's mega-distracting.
That's why I stopped reading his/her threads a while back. Damned if I'm going to adjust my eyes to read its rubbish. Far more troll than that poor sod asking why he should buy a Mac in the GD thread who was getting shat on from a great height by numerous people. Sometimes I do not understand the members here.
Definitely one deserving of a collective non-feeding I'd suggest.
I'm mystified by the assertion that "modern design" is "more masculine", going for hard edges over curves.
Outside of the Droid, where is this phenomena in evidence? For instance, a newer phone that the Droid, the Nexus One, is all about curves. Certainly the Pre is a soft form. In the architecture world, gently undulating curves, made possible by computer assisted design and new materials, are all the rage. Furniture? Hadn't noticed any tendencies on way or the other. Cars? Absolutely not.
Could it be that DaHarder just pulled a random idea out of his ass because of vestigial enthusiasm for the Droid? Which almost immediately started to look a little silly?
[CENTER]Sure Whatever...
Take a look at the latest automotive designs, from say... Mercedes Benz, whose latest efforts (GLK, E-Class, C-Class, GL, et al) lean towards a more aggressive/hard-edged design theme whereas they were all much 'softer' in form previously.
Examine the most current timepieces from say... TAG Heuer, many of which feature "more masculine' rectangular cases with strikingly beveled edges.
And YES! Even gadget design is showing 'more masculine/less organic' stylistic leanings, as indicated by Microsoft's ZUNE HD, and Motorola's DROID/Motoroi.
It's really not worth arguing about, though I find it interesting nonetheless.
Additionally: To the individual who seems bent on believing that I am somehow defending an iSlate/iTablet/iPad rendering of my own making... WRONG! It was posted earlier in the week on another tech site.[/CENTER]
Centering his text is kinda a poser designer thing. That it makes it annoying to read doesn't matter as much as his image of being some kinda uber designer (hey look! I defy conventions! I thunk different!).
Form over function. Probably one of the worst criticisms on a design unless it was intended to be such.
[CENTER]And unprovoked bitterness/hostility displayed in on-line forums often points to a defensive/insecure personality.
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[CENTER]Additionally:
Had you taken a moment to actually follow the discussion we were having, you might have noticed that the 'Think Different' comment was actually regarding the use of advanced composites in the manufacture of structural components, and not about the physical design of the device.[/CENTER]
Unibody construction solves a number of problems with portable computers.
- The anodised case is very hard and not prone to scratching.
- The internal structure allows the case to act as an inner chassis and mount components
- The metal case acts as a huge heat sink and means you don't need a fan or ventilation holes.
Would you get the same benefits from a composite?directly onto it.
C.
I think it is a good fake. Although the reflections look a bit dodgy.
But it is clearly supposed to be an Apple design because of the home buttons.
C.
But these fakes are supposed to look like Apple designs, right? When was the last time the real thing was photographed in the wild a week before it was announced, let alone posed nicely, in focus, with good lighting? Ever?
People do seem to want to get sucked in though, especially at the height of fake season. The really odd part is the number of people who seriously seem to believe that the tablet design will be little more than a direct extrapolation of previous Apple products. Was the iPhone designed that way? Wasn't part of the wow factor for the iPhone the fact that it was so unlike anything Apple (or anybody else) had done before?
What's the lesson here?
[CENTER]Think Different
Please stop this center-aligned crap, it's so hard to read, and it's mega-distracting.
Modern industrial design tends to stem from more masculine cues these days e.g. more pronounced/less rounded edges, and better defined/less smooth character lines.
The 'soft' curvy lines/surfaces of the iPhone and its ilk have grown rather 'long in the tooth' when compared to some of the more current gadget/industrial designs.
Yes, slightly different design cues. This is different from say the more pronounced design differences of the Droid vs that of the iPhone. Which amusingly still has rounded edges because, you know, pointy edges hurt.
Your argument appears more related to actual form factor, which given the purpose of this device simply is what it is, leaving the design details to make the device truly distinctive.
That's a whole lotta words to say form follows function. What makes the device truly distinctive isn't the design details but the user experience. Which is more dominated by software and UI design rather than case design. Given the number of iPhone look-alikes that suck that's not a very difficult assertion to defend.
Additionally:
Had you taken a moment to actually follow the discussion we were having, you might have noticed that the 'Think Different' comment was actually regarding the use of advanced composites in the manufacture of structural components, and not about the physical design of the device.
Gee, you made a 3d mock up composited on a MBP in order to discuss the case material and not form factor design? Interesting. In any case there's no reason not to apply the same litmus test to physical design as well as component materials.
Besides, given that Sony has a carbon fiber laptop it's not thinking all that different anyway. Especially if you tack on a silver bezel to your design to make it look like...oh my gosh...an iPhone 3G which also has a black plastic back.
Gee, and you still have roundy edges and is no more masculine in design than the MBP it sits on with fairly pronounced edges.
Tip #1 for mock up designers: not to get all defensive with the least bit of criticisms.
But these fakes are supposed to look like Apple designs, right? When was the last time the real thing was photographed in the wild a week before it was announced, let alone posed nicely, in focus, with good lighting? Ever?
Fat nano and curved nano, and iPhone 3G.
Please stop this center-aligned crap, it's so hard to read, and it's mega-distracting.
A case of form over function...amusingly an accusation leveled at Apple all the time.
A case of form over function...amusingly an accusation leveled at Apple all the time.
Very odd comment-reply.
Very odd comment-reply.
Centering his text is kinda a poser designer thing. That it makes it annoying to read doesn't matter as much as his image of being some kinda uber designer (hey look! I defy conventions! I thunk different!).
Form over function. Probably one of the worst criticisms on a design unless it was intended to be such.
With PC laptops, droids etc they are not marketed to the ego as much Apple devices are, thats why we don't care if they get all scratched as much? Similar with multitouch after a while I get used to the features - they don't wow me like when I bought it.
Outside of the Droid, where is this phenomena in evidence? For instance, a newer phone that the Droid, the Nexus One, is all about curves. Certainly the Pre is a soft form. In the architecture world, gently undulating curves, made possible by computer assisted design and new materials, are all the rage. Furniture? Hadn't noticed any tendencies on way or the other. Cars? Absolutely not.
Could it be that DaHarder just pulled a random idea out of his ass because of vestigial enthusiasm for the Droid? Which almost immediately started to look a little silly?
I'd like to ask all "artists" at once one and the same question...
They do realize why iPhone needs all case holes, which it has, and why tablet isn't going to?
...try again, in GOOD english. I will happily answer the question if you can make just a small degree of sense.
I know a "tablet" has been made out of a Macbook BUT....
You could easily fit that logic board in a 3/4" thick housing (in fact I think it is pretty close already). I'm sure ventilation would be an issue, but with a aluminum chassis it would be able to dissipate heat rather quickly. I understand the components wouldn't be compatible with ARM. I'm just saying, the insides of a macbook are not that space taking. the thickest part is the battery, then the DVD drive, then the HDD & ports. The heaviest part is...the battery, then the screen.
Personally I think something as powerful as a MacBook should be doable in a 10" tablet style machine. Maybe not the same functionality, but something as powerful. Only problem I see is weight and battery life.
Please stop this center-aligned crap, it's so hard to read, and it's mega-distracting.
That's why I stopped reading his/her threads a while back. Damned if I'm going to adjust my eyes to read its rubbish. Far more troll than that poor sod asking why he should buy a Mac in the GD thread who was getting shat on from a great height by numerous people. Sometimes I do not understand the members here.
Definitely one deserving of a collective non-feeding I'd suggest.
I'm mystified by the assertion that "modern design" is "more masculine", going for hard edges over curves.
Outside of the Droid, where is this phenomena in evidence? For instance, a newer phone that the Droid, the Nexus One, is all about curves. Certainly the Pre is a soft form. In the architecture world, gently undulating curves, made possible by computer assisted design and new materials, are all the rage. Furniture? Hadn't noticed any tendencies on way or the other. Cars? Absolutely not.
Could it be that DaHarder just pulled a random idea out of his ass because of vestigial enthusiasm for the Droid? Which almost immediately started to look a little silly?
[CENTER]Sure Whatever...
Take a look at the latest automotive designs, from say... Mercedes Benz, whose latest efforts (GLK, E-Class, C-Class, GL, et al) lean towards a more aggressive/hard-edged design theme whereas they were all much 'softer' in form previously.
Examine the most current timepieces from say... TAG Heuer, many of which feature "more masculine' rectangular cases with strikingly beveled edges.
And YES! Even gadget design is showing 'more masculine/less organic' stylistic leanings, as indicated by Microsoft's ZUNE HD, and Motorola's DROID/Motoroi.
It's really not worth arguing about, though I find it interesting nonetheless.
Additionally: To the individual who seems bent on believing that I am somehow defending an iSlate/iTablet/iPad rendering of my own making... WRONG! It was posted earlier in the week on another tech site.[/CENTER]
Fat nano and curved nano, and iPhone 3G.
[CENTER]Exactly... Though actual FACTS appear to have very little influence on some of these individuals.[/CENTER]
Very odd comment-reply.
[CENTER]If...
Odd = Completely Inane
I agree wholeheartedly!
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Centering his text is kinda a poser designer thing. That it makes it annoying to read doesn't matter as much as his image of being some kinda uber designer (hey look! I defy conventions! I thunk different!).
Form over function. Probably one of the worst criticisms on a design unless it was intended to be such.
[CENTER]And unprovoked bitterness/hostility displayed in on-line forums often points to a defensive/insecure personality.
So Now You Know...
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[RIGHT]Hey DaHarder - Any response to message 161?
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[CENTER]Sure...
Simply because 'unibody' construction techniques are utilized, does not limit said component's manufacture to one substrate or another.
Example:
MacBook Pro/Unibody = Aluminum Alloy
MacBook/Unibody = Plastic Composite[/CENTER]