[quote]MB per processor with 4-GBps throughput <hr></blockquote>
Does this at all differ with the existing L3 cache configuration on the DP800? The description differs in that the Mhz isn't stated specifically, i.e. 2MB of L3 cache at 1/4 processor speed.
Just to add to the optical drive rants, if the top two have Suprdrives and the bottom one doesn't, wouldn't it at least have a combo drive (CD-RW/DVD)?
Just to add to the optical drive rants, if the top two have Suprdrives and the bottom one doesn't, wouldn't it at least have a combo drive (CD-RW/DVD)?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Would make sense since they have it in the PB & some iBooks ... I mean they're certainly cheap enough.
Just to add to the optical drive rants, if the top two have Suprdrives and the bottom one doesn't, wouldn't it at least have a combo drive (CD-RW/DVD)?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well to help point your mind at ease. I emailed the link to ATaT and they wrote back today that someone mailed them the actual PDF file. They believe it, so relax a little.
As cool as it would be to have SuperDrive's accross the range, I think it's highly doubtful- as JD said, how many people wanna burn DVDs?
Personally I'd like to see the SuperDrive as a BTO option as I'm a bit miffed as to why the 733 model can't have it (this time last year the 733 had a SuperDrive so it can't be a question of the processor not being able to handle it).</strong><hr></blockquote>
[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
<strong>
Maybe this will come as a surprise to you, but not everyone has their own movies to burn to DVD. In fact it's probably a safe bet that a minority of Powermac buyers will have any need for the Superdrive. If someone plans on using their powermac for DTP, or website development, any number of things that don't include digital video, then a Superdrive is superfluous.
If Apple were going to add the Superdrive to even the low end tower, then I'd rather they keep it off and just drop the price on the low end by 300-500 bucks. The way Apple is pushing this superdrive, it reminds me of the DVD-ROM drives they were pushing a while back. Yeah they were nice for the 5% who watched DVDs on their computer (including me), but most people watch DVDs on their TV. Just like most people don't have any need for a DVD-burner.
If the superdrive could dupe a DVD movie, then it would be a hot item. But for now the superdrive is only valuable to the digital video market--an important market for Apple to be sure, but not their ONLY market.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What the hell are people using for backup? I have a cd writer right now and lord knows I can't back up anything with it. I've used up 19 Gigs in pictures, music and software on just my system drive in 1 year. If I want to back all that up, I'm cutting up folders and ending up with over 20 cds. I could do the same on four dvds without so much hassle. Second, I play DVDs on my computer all of the time. DVD's on my larger monitor look much crisper than on the tv. DVDs will eventually (and very soon for me) become the primary removable storage medium, and to offer a pro machine now that can't read them is silly. Pro users many times work with large file sizes and can greatly benefit from the larger capacity disk. If it can be offered in the iMac for $1800, it damn better be offered in the pro machine at the same price level. CD writers are much, much too limiting.
Well to help point your mind at ease. I emailed the link to ATaT and they wrote back today that someone mailed them the actual PDF file. They believe it, so relax a little.</strong><hr></blockquote>
ohh, a PDF file ... gee I bet no graphic designers can make a PDF as easily as they could fake a website ... not to say that it's not true (which I don't think it is ...) but PDF's aren't exactly difficult to make ...
Yea I pointed this out earlier, and the more I think about it, the more that one line convinces me that these specs are real. Few of us really noticed that with the introduction of the LCD iMac Apple started adding the keyboard ports into the total. So who among us would have remembered to do it if we were faking some specs?
<strong>Remember that Apple likes to include the two USB ports on the keyboard when it lists the total number of ports. That's why Jobs said the new iMac has "five USB ports."</strong><hr></blockquote>
uh... the iMac 2 is the first product they have done that with. there is nothing to support your comment that Apple "likes" doing that.
<strong>I guess Nastradamus is having a good laugh right now. I still think that Nostradamus and kormac77 are the same person and BS'ing us.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I guess you don't read, so I'll repeat it for you and everyone else who can't read.
NOSTRADAMUS DID NOT CREATE THIS RUMOR OR THE SPECS. THIS INFO IS FROM ANOTHER PERSON ON NOTHER SITE!!!
Damn people are so quick to strike down otehrs with all the fricking facts! If they'd only read....
Well, either it is or it ain't, and right now that web archive has been yanked. I'm just getting grumpy waiting for Apple to announce something so I can think about setting policy for standard desktops sometime before I die.
argg. PC 133 and that same old 133mhz system bus speed. I'm sick of if. I really really want to buy a new machine, but I don't want that crap in my box.
Hell, my next machine might not even be a Mac. Shess. The motorola g4 is too damn old for pro machines, it does not support modern bus speeds, and lack off DDR is a joke. Hell, the PC industry has been using DDR for almost 2 years now.
What is up with the MPC8540?...aka the G5. This thing seems to top out at 1ghz and it is much better CPU. It supports 333ddr, 64 bit processing, and has "rapid i/o". I want a g5 box with hypertransport... screw supperdrives and big graphics cards that are going to bottleneck even with a dual 1ghz g4.
Ohh by the way, moto just reported its fourth straight loosing quarter today. Great time to be a mac power user <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
Yeah, that was the document I had read before and dimly remembered. Still, upon closer examination, it only says "DDR SRAM supported", so Apple might have opted to go with SDR SRAM instead. Why else would they not mention it in their tech docs?
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God, doesn't apple get it? WTF is wrong with them?
If I ran apple I'd want to kick PCs into orbit, no matter what it took.
Then again, I'm probably disturbed . . .
Does this at all differ with the existing L3 cache configuration on the DP800? The description differs in that the Mhz isn't stated specifically, i.e. 2MB of L3 cache at 1/4 processor speed.
Just to add to the optical drive rants, if the top two have Suprdrives and the bottom one doesn't, wouldn't it at least have a combo drive (CD-RW/DVD)?
<strong>I don't believe this BS.
Just to add to the optical drive rants, if the top two have Suprdrives and the bottom one doesn't, wouldn't it at least have a combo drive (CD-RW/DVD)?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Would make sense since they have it in the PB & some iBooks ... I mean they're certainly cheap enough.
<strong>Yes it does. It's 1/4 speed but double pumped. It's odd that the L3 bus supports double pumping but not the MPX bus.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I thought I had read that somewhere, too, but <a href="http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/hardware/Developer_Notes/Macintosh_CPUs-G4/PowerMacG4/2Architecture/Cache_Memory.html"; target="_blank">the tech docs for the PowerMac</a> only say "The L3 cache consists of 2 MB of high-speed SRAM. The speed ratio of the microprocessor and cache is 4:1, as shown in Table 2-1." I can't find a reference to its DDR'ness anywhere in that document, nor on <a href="http://www.apple.com/powermac/specs.html"; target="_blank">the "technical details" section of the PowerMac product page</a>.
Anyone got a link mentioning DDR L3 cache?
Bye,
RazzFazz
<strong>I don't believe this BS.
Just to add to the optical drive rants, if the top two have Suprdrives and the bottom one doesn't, wouldn't it at least have a combo drive (CD-RW/DVD)?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well to help point your mind at ease. I emailed the link to ATaT and they wrote back today that someone mailed them the actual PDF file. They believe it, so relax a little.
<strong>
As cool as it would be to have SuperDrive's accross the range, I think it's highly doubtful- as JD said, how many people wanna burn DVDs?
Personally I'd like to see the SuperDrive as a BTO option as I'm a bit miffed as to why the 733 model can't have it (this time last year the 733 had a SuperDrive so it can't be a question of the processor not being able to handle it).</strong><hr></blockquote>
[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
<strong>
Maybe this will come as a surprise to you, but not everyone has their own movies to burn to DVD. In fact it's probably a safe bet that a minority of Powermac buyers will have any need for the Superdrive. If someone plans on using their powermac for DTP, or website development, any number of things that don't include digital video, then a Superdrive is superfluous.
If Apple were going to add the Superdrive to even the low end tower, then I'd rather they keep it off and just drop the price on the low end by 300-500 bucks. The way Apple is pushing this superdrive, it reminds me of the DVD-ROM drives they were pushing a while back. Yeah they were nice for the 5% who watched DVDs on their computer (including me), but most people watch DVDs on their TV. Just like most people don't have any need for a DVD-burner.
If the superdrive could dupe a DVD movie, then it would be a hot item. But for now the superdrive is only valuable to the digital video market--an important market for Apple to be sure, but not their ONLY market.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What the hell are people using for backup? I have a cd writer right now and lord knows I can't back up anything with it. I've used up 19 Gigs in pictures, music and software on just my system drive in 1 year. If I want to back all that up, I'm cutting up folders and ending up with over 20 cds. I could do the same on four dvds without so much hassle. Second, I play DVDs on my computer all of the time. DVD's on my larger monitor look much crisper than on the tv. DVDs will eventually (and very soon for me) become the primary removable storage medium, and to offer a pro machine now that can't read them is silly. Pro users many times work with large file sizes and can greatly benefit from the larger capacity disk. If it can be offered in the iMac for $1800, it damn better be offered in the pro machine at the same price level. CD writers are much, much too limiting.
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<a href="http://e-www.motorola.com/collateral/SNDFH1112.pdf"; target="_blank">http://e-www.motorola.com/collateral/SNDFH1112.pdf</a>;
page 6 & 17
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Well to help point your mind at ease. I emailed the link to ATaT and they wrote back today that someone mailed them the actual PDF file. They believe it, so relax a little.</strong><hr></blockquote>
ohh, a PDF file ... gee I bet no graphic designers can make a PDF as easily as they could fake a website ... not to say that it's not true (which I don't think it is ...) but PDF's aren't exactly difficult to make ...
<strong>4 usb ports thjat is unlikely that would requite a mobo rev</strong><hr></blockquote>
2 on the back, 2 on the keyboard...
I mean, they say the new iMac has 5... but really it has 3 on the back, 2 on the keyboard.
<strong>Remember that Apple likes to include the two USB ports on the keyboard when it lists the total number of ports. That's why Jobs said the new iMac has "five USB ports."</strong><hr></blockquote>
uh... the iMac 2 is the first product they have done that with. there is nothing to support your comment that Apple "likes" doing that.
<strong>I guess Nastradamus is having a good laugh right now. I still think that Nostradamus and kormac77 are the same person and BS'ing us.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I guess you don't read, so I'll repeat it for you and everyone else who can't read.
NOSTRADAMUS DID NOT CREATE THIS RUMOR OR THE SPECS. THIS INFO IS FROM ANOTHER PERSON ON NOTHER SITE!!!
Damn people are so quick to strike down otehrs with all the fricking facts! If they'd only read....
Hell, my next machine might not even be a Mac. Shess. The motorola g4 is too damn old for pro machines, it does not support modern bus speeds, and lack off DDR is a joke. Hell, the PC industry has been using DDR for almost 2 years now.
What is up with the MPC8540?...aka the G5. This thing seems to top out at 1ghz and it is much better CPU. It supports 333ddr, 64 bit processing, and has "rapid i/o". I want a g5 box with hypertransport... screw supperdrives and big graphics cards that are going to bottleneck even with a dual 1ghz g4.
Ohh by the way, moto just reported its fourth straight loosing quarter today. Great time to be a mac power user <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
<strong>"Anyone got a link mentioning DDR L3 cache?"
<a href="http://e-www.motorola.com/collateral/SNDFH1112.pdf"; target="_blank">http://e-www.motorola.com/collateral/SNDFH1112.pdf</a>;
page 6 & 17</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, that was the document I had read before and dimly remembered. Still, upon closer examination, it only says "DDR SRAM supported", so Apple might have opted to go with SDR SRAM instead. Why else would they not mention it in their tech docs?
Bye,
RazzFazz