Wasn't that the real motivation for releasing iWork at launch? The 'Pad certainly is not a business device. I could only think of one reason why they took all that time promoting iWork.
The real motivation for releasing iWork at launch, IMO, was to add value to the iPad and help it be like a "gateway" computer.
Think of it .... start out the younger crowd with iPods, graduate to iPhones, then to iPads with some office type apps ... hell, by the time they enter the workforce they will be immersed into the mac experience. A brilliant strategy ... grow your present customer base by adding value at the same time you plant the pathway for future customers ... don't leave any blank spots for a competitor to fill ... bloody brilliant!
It's not a surprise to a lot of people. The ones who aren't incessant Apple-bashers knew it would be a success from the start.
The product was available for pre-order in some countries --- and several countries have already closed down the ordering system because orders exceeded projected supply. The iPad will be HUGE.
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Originally Posted by JustReelFilms
The way I see it is it's becoming more of a content platform and less of a computer.
IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE A FULL COMPUTER. Jobs specifically stated in the keynote that it's not a laptop. It's a content provider / thin client / portable communication tool / etc. -- and always was.
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Originally Posted by doyourownthing
aren't you being overly anxious to make your judgement? the device is not even out and you're already dismissing it
That's the funny thing about the iPad-bashers. They based all of their opinions on the rumor mill and since it didn't meet the rumor mill, they attack. My favorite is the rumored price of $999. When it came in at half that, they didn't cheer, but rather said that it's too expensive.
You just can't please some people.
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Originally Posted by modthatmac
We may see App prices raise as a result of the iPad.
It makes me laugh how people struggle to define the iPad. Sure, its definitely more of a content platform, but it is also a computer if you want it to be. I mean, we all know it is very much a computer though the term is sounding more and more archaic.
The reason is that - even for Macs (if you go mucking about in the system folder - or try to manage 1TB of files and backups) - is that computers are a pain in the ass, and ARE archaic. No one "should" have to be a sysadmin to do simple tasks and for content delivery. Just because it's expected, doesn't make it a good solution.
No one thinks of their iPhone or iTouch as a pain in the ass (although iTunes could use some work) at the experience level, so there's a fundamental disconnect.
No one should want or expect that the iPad should be as painful as the masochistic pile of housekeeping they call a laptop - except for nerds who can't think in terms of what could-be vs what-is (status quo). I'm convinced that having apps and associated files PRESENTED to the user - rather than having to ask the user to GET their data (if they can remember where the hell they put it) is becoming an outmoded model for more than 90% of the users out there. Heavy content-creation and programming - sure - compute your brains out. My folks shouldn't have to do sysadmin bullshit - because no one is paying them sysadmin salaries, and because computers are powerful enough to do this crap themselves if the developers would change user philosophies.
The iPhone, iTouch, and now the iPad will finally force developers to think of how people interact with their data for the first time in 26 years (almost 40 if you count the Alto). About time too.
The reason is that - even for Macs (if you go mucking about in the system folder - or try to manage 1TB of files and backups) - is that computers are a pain in the ass, and ARE archaic. No one "should" have to be a sysadmin to do simple tasks and for content delivery. Just because it's expected, doesn't make it a good solution.
No one thinks of their iPhone or iTouch as a pain in the ass (although iTunes could use some work) at the experience level, so there's a fundamental disconnect.
No one should want or expect that the iPad should be as painful as the masochistic pile of housekeeping they call a laptop - except for nerds who can't think in terms of what could-be vs what-is (status quo). I'm convinced that having apps and associated files PRESENTED to the user - rather than having to ask the user to GET their data (if they can remember where the hell they put it) is becoming an outmoded model for more than 90% of the users out there. Heavy content-creation and programming - sure - compute your brains out. My folks shouldn't have to do sysadmin bullshit - because no one is paying them sysadmin salaries, and because computers are powerful enough to do this crap themselves if the developers would change user philosophies.
The iPhone, iTouch, and now the iPad will finally force developers to think of how people interact with their data for the first time in 26 years (almost 40 if you count the Alto). About time too.
Amen, to that. I can understand the resistance in a geeky forum but you hear few people complain about not accessing their files and folders when using iPhoto or iTunes.
I used to use a great CRM db app way back when. You created an contact (or project) and entered all relevant data. Then, say, write a letter, you'd open a Word doc from within the app and save it within the app. I never knew where anything went but I could always find all the relevant files and data in minimal time. 15 people or so used the system over a network and it was excellent. Called salesPro, or something like that. There used to be one for Mac called Super Office, which was brilliant in its early days, even for a single user.
In a couple of other threads, people were complaining that since the iPad didn't have flash, they couldn't play Disney games.
Guess that concern is over.
More and more sites are moving away from Flash; Disney is huge.
yep. the CS5 beta actually has a flash to iphone app converter. easy enough to change over the disney games to a friendly format
also, some of the talk with the subscription thing was to use the files already in the itunes bank for this subscription. then you could download and watch offline. so no flash worries there.
the major issues for the nets is how they would be paid for subscribers and what kind of detail would they receive about what shows are being watched. this is important to them because this deal would cut into the all holy Nielsen ratings (they fear) and thus cost them ad money. then again, the way the Nielsen's work it might not change a thing with those numbers.
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Originally Posted by gts_mac
Honestly, "becoming"? That's all it ever was intended to be! It is NOT meant to be a computer, at least not as most people myopically define a "computer" to be.
yep. from day one they have said the ipad is an extension of the iphone/ipod touch. NOT a computer. they have no intentions of having a machine you can do photoshop, final cut etc on. they included iwork because it's not a processor killer. and it is something the traveling business person would want (at least pages) so having that software adds appeal for that market.
but the ipad is not now nor will ever be something for the technos on sites like this one. the good news is that there are enough basic consumers to make up for the small percent that are calling the ipad crap cause of what it can't do that they think it should.
It may well be awesome. But it would have been awesome x 5 had it been what we expected it to be, rather than what it is.
I've been waiting for years for a nice little device to surf the internet and watch videos from anywhere in the house.
But with its inability to access many popular websites and the 4:3 aspect ratio, this device is of no interest to me whatsoever. I can't even use it to watch reruns of Lost from the 'web. Meh.
how many times and in how many threads do you have to say the same thing over and over? the ipad is not for you, we get it. move on.
Why can't he voice his opinion? Everyone else on here does - but only those favorable are allowed?
he can voice his opinion, just like you do (unfortunately). it's not terribly constructive to repeat the same criticisms and say your not going to buy it over and over. i think everyone got the point afer the first hundred times or so.
Trust me it is. And I should know. The one with 14,000 posts who's about to take his leave of absence (as if we care) can call me and certain others on here trolls and other derogatory comments left and right and get away with it. There is a double standard here. I've been told point blank by a certain moderator that this is no democracy here.
BTW- I just got a NIkon Coolpix with a 3.5 Touch OLED screen and the screen is amazing. Pure blacks- amazing.
This is a rehashing of an old rumor from more than a year ago, that claimed a $20 Premium Section of the App Store would rear it's head to differentiate worthwhile software from the slew of garbage. Even then, the rumors were that this would coincide with the launch of a new Tablet/iPhone.
Undoubtedly, it's true. Apple has already stated that they will place iPad Apps "Front and Center" We all already know that iPad Apps have much more potential than iPhone Apps, therefor higher perceived value, therefor higher asking price.
I'd say that fits 100% with rumors more than a year old.
I've been told point blank by a certain moderator that this is no democracy here.
Why would that be at all surprising or disconcerting? It's a private website; of course it is not a democracy. I know of no web forum that is. I'm genuinely surprised you had to be told something that's so incredibly fucking obvious.
There is a world of difference between "democracy" (whatever the hell that word could possibly mean on a privately owned web forum) and "only favorable opinions are allowed" (a claim which is clearly a huge crock of shit).
Trust me it is. And I should know. The one with 14,000 posts who's about to take his leave of absence (as if we care) can call me and certain others on here trolls and other derogatory comments left and right and get away with it. There is a double standard here. I've been told point blank by a certain moderator that this is no democracy here.
BTW- I just got a NIkon Coolpix with a 3.5 Touch OLED screen and the screen is amazing. Pure blacks- amazing.
You bought a camera that doesn't do email!? Blololol
The way I see it is it's becoming more of a content platform and less of a computer.
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD
No kidding- Its just a big iPod.
Of course! It is the first post-os computing platform with keyboard capability. That is the point. A different paradigm for computing for the "rest of them." Not us.
Why would that be at all surprising or disconcerting? It's a private website; of course it is not a democracy. I know of no web forum that is. I'm genuinely surprised you had to be told something that's so incredibly fucking obvious.
There is a world of difference between "democracy" (whatever the hell that word could possibly mean on a privately owned web forum) and "only favorable opinions are allowed" (a claim which is clearly a huge crock of shit).
As demonstrated by you use of language and lack of censorship.
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Wasn't that the real motivation for releasing iWork at launch? The 'Pad certainly is not a business device. I could only think of one reason why they took all that time promoting iWork.
The real motivation for releasing iWork at launch, IMO, was to add value to the iPad and help it be like a "gateway" computer.
Think of it .... start out the younger crowd with iPods, graduate to iPhones, then to iPads with some office type apps ... hell, by the time they enter the workforce they will be immersed into the mac experience. A brilliant strategy ... grow your present customer base by adding value at the same time you plant the pathway for future customers ... don't leave any blank spots for a competitor to fill ... bloody brilliant!
I can see this iPad being a surprise hit.
It's not a surprise to a lot of people. The ones who aren't incessant Apple-bashers knew it would be a success from the start.
The product was available for pre-order in some countries --- and several countries have already closed down the ordering system because orders exceeded projected supply. The iPad will be HUGE.
The way I see it is it's becoming more of a content platform and less of a computer.
IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE A FULL COMPUTER. Jobs specifically stated in the keynote that it's not a laptop. It's a content provider / thin client / portable communication tool / etc. -- and always was.
aren't you being overly anxious to make your judgement? the device is not even out and you're already dismissing it
That's the funny thing about the iPad-bashers. They based all of their opinions on the rumor mill and since it didn't meet the rumor mill, they attack. My favorite is the rumored price of $999. When it came in at half that, they didn't cheer, but rather said that it's too expensive.
You just can't please some people.
We may see App prices raise as a result of the iPad.
Sure. Like $9.99 for Pages. Oh, wait......
It makes me laugh how people struggle to define the iPad. Sure, its definitely more of a content platform, but it is also a computer if you want it to be. I mean, we all know it is very much a computer though the term is sounding more and more archaic.
The reason is that - even for Macs (if you go mucking about in the system folder - or try to manage 1TB of files and backups) - is that computers are a pain in the ass, and ARE archaic. No one "should" have to be a sysadmin to do simple tasks and for content delivery. Just because it's expected, doesn't make it a good solution.
No one thinks of their iPhone or iTouch as a pain in the ass (although iTunes could use some work) at the experience level, so there's a fundamental disconnect.
No one should want or expect that the iPad should be as painful as the masochistic pile of housekeeping they call a laptop - except for nerds who can't think in terms of what could-be vs what-is (status quo). I'm convinced that having apps and associated files PRESENTED to the user - rather than having to ask the user to GET their data (if they can remember where the hell they put it) is becoming an outmoded model for more than 90% of the users out there. Heavy content-creation and programming - sure - compute your brains out. My folks shouldn't have to do sysadmin bullshit - because no one is paying them sysadmin salaries, and because computers are powerful enough to do this crap themselves if the developers would change user philosophies.
The iPhone, iTouch, and now the iPad will finally force developers to think of how people interact with their data for the first time in 26 years (almost 40 if you count the Alto). About time too.
It's not a surprise to a lot of people. The ones who aren't incessant Apple-bashers knew it would be a success from the start.
I don't agree. And no one can "know" as it's not out yet.
The reason is that - even for Macs (if you go mucking about in the system folder - or try to manage 1TB of files and backups) - is that computers are a pain in the ass, and ARE archaic. No one "should" have to be a sysadmin to do simple tasks and for content delivery. Just because it's expected, doesn't make it a good solution.
No one thinks of their iPhone or iTouch as a pain in the ass (although iTunes could use some work) at the experience level, so there's a fundamental disconnect.
No one should want or expect that the iPad should be as painful as the masochistic pile of housekeeping they call a laptop - except for nerds who can't think in terms of what could-be vs what-is (status quo). I'm convinced that having apps and associated files PRESENTED to the user - rather than having to ask the user to GET their data (if they can remember where the hell they put it) is becoming an outmoded model for more than 90% of the users out there. Heavy content-creation and programming - sure - compute your brains out. My folks shouldn't have to do sysadmin bullshit - because no one is paying them sysadmin salaries, and because computers are powerful enough to do this crap themselves if the developers would change user philosophies.
The iPhone, iTouch, and now the iPad will finally force developers to think of how people interact with their data for the first time in 26 years (almost 40 if you count the Alto). About time too.
Amen, to that. I can understand the resistance in a geeky forum but you hear few people complain about not accessing their files and folders when using iPhoto or iTunes.
I used to use a great CRM db app way back when. You created an contact (or project) and entered all relevant data. Then, say, write a letter, you'd open a Word doc from within the app and save it within the app. I never knew where anything went but I could always find all the relevant files and data in minimal time. 15 people or so used the system over a network and it was excellent. Called salesPro, or something like that. There used to be one for Mac called Super Office, which was brilliant in its early days, even for a single user.
well put...i am so tired of the lame "feminine napkin" references, really are we that childish people?
Agreed. NASA has been sending vehicles into space from launch pads for decades and no one ever made fun of that.
In a couple of other threads, people were complaining that since the iPad didn't have flash, they couldn't play Disney games.
Guess that concern is over.
More and more sites are moving away from Flash; Disney is huge.
yep. the CS5 beta actually has a flash to iphone app converter. easy enough to change over the disney games to a friendly format
also, some of the talk with the subscription thing was to use the files already in the itunes bank for this subscription. then you could download and watch offline. so no flash worries there.
the major issues for the nets is how they would be paid for subscribers and what kind of detail would they receive about what shows are being watched. this is important to them because this deal would cut into the all holy Nielsen ratings (they fear) and thus cost them ad money. then again, the way the Nielsen's work it might not change a thing with those numbers.
Honestly, "becoming"? That's all it ever was intended to be! It is NOT meant to be a computer, at least not as most people myopically define a "computer" to be.
yep. from day one they have said the ipad is an extension of the iphone/ipod touch. NOT a computer. they have no intentions of having a machine you can do photoshop, final cut etc on. they included iwork because it's not a processor killer. and it is something the traveling business person would want (at least pages) so having that software adds appeal for that market.
but the ipad is not now nor will ever be something for the technos on sites like this one. the good news is that there are enough basic consumers to make up for the small percent that are calling the ipad crap cause of what it can't do that they think it should.
It may well be awesome. But it would have been awesome x 5 had it been what we expected it to be, rather than what it is.
I've been waiting for years for a nice little device to surf the internet and watch videos from anywhere in the house.
But with its inability to access many popular websites and the 4:3 aspect ratio, this device is of no interest to me whatsoever. I can't even use it to watch reruns of Lost from the 'web. Meh.
how many times and in how many threads do you have to say the same thing over and over? the ipad is not for you, we get it. move on.
how many times and in how many threads do you have to say the same thing over and over? the ipad is not for you, we get it. move on.
Why can't he voice his opinion? Everyone else on here does - but only those favorable are allowed?
Why can't he voice his opinion? Everyone else on here does - but only those favorable are allowed?
he can voice his opinion, just like you do (unfortunately). it's not terribly constructive to repeat the same criticisms and say your not going to buy it over and over. i think everyone got the point afer the first hundred times or so.
Why can't he voice his opinion? Everyone else on here does - but only those favorable are allowed?
That's simply untrue.
That's simply untrue.
Trust me it is. And I should know. The one with 14,000 posts who's about to take his leave of absence (as if we care) can call me and certain others on here trolls and other derogatory comments left and right and get away with it. There is a double standard here. I've been told point blank by a certain moderator that this is no democracy here.
BTW- I just got a NIkon Coolpix with a 3.5 Touch OLED screen and the screen is amazing. Pure blacks- amazing.
We may see App prices raise as a result of the iPad.
http://modthatmac.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/appprices/
This is a rehashing of an old rumor from more than a year ago, that claimed a $20 Premium Section of the App Store would rear it's head to differentiate worthwhile software from the slew of garbage. Even then, the rumors were that this would coincide with the launch of a new Tablet/iPhone.
Undoubtedly, it's true. Apple has already stated that they will place iPad Apps "Front and Center" We all already know that iPad Apps have much more potential than iPhone Apps, therefor higher perceived value, therefor higher asking price.
I'd say that fits 100% with rumors more than a year old.
I've been told point blank by a certain moderator that this is no democracy here.
Why would that be at all surprising or disconcerting? It's a private website; of course it is not a democracy. I know of no web forum that is. I'm genuinely surprised you had to be told something that's so incredibly fucking obvious.
There is a world of difference between "democracy" (whatever the hell that word could possibly mean on a privately owned web forum) and "only favorable opinions are allowed" (a claim which is clearly a huge crock of shit).
Trust me it is. And I should know. The one with 14,000 posts who's about to take his leave of absence (as if we care) can call me and certain others on here trolls and other derogatory comments left and right and get away with it. There is a double standard here. I've been told point blank by a certain moderator that this is no democracy here.
BTW- I just got a NIkon Coolpix with a 3.5 Touch OLED screen and the screen is amazing. Pure blacks- amazing.
You bought a camera that doesn't do email!? Blololol
Originally Posted by JustReelFilms
The way I see it is it's becoming more of a content platform and less of a computer.
No kidding- Its just a big iPod.
Of course! It is the first post-os computing platform with keyboard capability. That is the point. A different paradigm for computing for the "rest of them." Not us.
This is pretty obvious folks.
Why would that be at all surprising or disconcerting? It's a private website; of course it is not a democracy. I know of no web forum that is. I'm genuinely surprised you had to be told something that's so incredibly fucking obvious.
There is a world of difference between "democracy" (whatever the hell that word could possibly mean on a privately owned web forum) and "only favorable opinions are allowed" (a claim which is clearly a huge crock of shit).
As demonstrated by you use of language and lack of censorship.