Vegetarians/Vegans?

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  • Reply 41 of 81
    [quote]Originally posted by Wrong Robot:

    <strong>yea....Much like that. My sister LOVES soy milk....and she used to hate it....so I think I'm going to go give it another try.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I've found that the soy milk in the refridgerated section is much better than the boxed kind that lasts forever until you open it.



    When you go back to soy I bet you'll be pretty gasy for a few days. I think your stomach has to adjust to it again, unless you're already eating a lot of soy and beans.



    That was my stinky post for the day.
  • Reply 42 of 81
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    Everyone keeps talking about videos. I hate vegan propaganda. Especially the animal rights retards who insist on showing that stuff to kids. If they could only show half as much concern for people. Oh well.
  • Reply 43 of 81
    [quote]Originally posted by Matsu:

    <strong>Everyone keeps talking about videos. I hate vegan propaganda. Especially the animal rights retards who insist on showing that stuff to kids. If they could only show half as much concern for people. Oh well.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    You're totally right. Thats why I don't protest or participate in any of that stuff. A lot of my friends do and they're always getting in people's faces. Like standing out in front of McDonald's, throwing paint at people who wear fur and just doing all crazy kinds of stuff that interfere with people's lives.



    Its one thing to try and teach people something, its another to disregard their freedoms and show no respect. Its like they care more about the animals than the humans.



    However, if you read a book like "Diet for a small planet" - not sure if thats related to Diet for a new America - you'll see that its not propaganda. In that particular book the author presents facts in an insightful way. She's not cramming it down your throat and trying to make you feel like the devil for eating meat. In fact the book is more about just eating healthier for your own good and helping the environment. I guess thats why its a book and not some leaflet a hippy is handing out at your local Arby's.



    Now PETA on the other hand, they just go overboard.
  • Reply 44 of 81
    In my book, vegetarianism and veganism are eating disorders just like anorexia. On one hand, both seem to be fads in the youthful female population -- self-inflicted pain seems to be hip these days -- but on the other hand there's a scientific connection between the two.



    The human body is designed for a mixed intake of animal and non animal products, and this is hugely evident to anyone who ever taken a biology class. Herbivorous animals tend to have differently developed digestive systems and teeth than we humans have. So to deny yourself meat, for whatever conjured-up reason, CAN be seen similarly as denying yourself food at all (anorexia), but it's more like pumping 87 octane gas into your Rx-7. (Which should be a federal crime)



    Actually, I go as far as saying that vegetables are barely compatible with the human body. In order to get any nutrition from them, they must be cooked, and in that process they loose a lot of it.



    Believe it or not, I'm a health-nut. About 90% of my diet consists of some mix of meats, fruits, and perhaps some legumes like soy (I'm presuming soy is a legume). When I cut out vegetables and starches my 10k times drop like crazy.



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  • Reply 45 of 81
    Well I eat fish....as I said before.

    I eat fish cause its damn tasty and has good protein.

    People that say that the human body was meant to consume meat AND vegetables are correct, however it was also meant to consume a LARGE amount of non-meat sbstances, balancing it off with a very scacre amount of meat.

    I don't preach vegetarianism, I'm not a vegetarian(pescatarian) I do think that it is a good thing however. I have nothing against people who eat or avocate eating meat, hell my Ex girlfriend ate meat, and I didn't even try and stop her(I just wouldn't kiss her if she ate beef)

    of course you can argue forever over a topic such as this one. when the only real sloution is understanding where a vegetarian/vegan comes from, and then you will probably not need to argue with them. veganism is a little bit un-natural(ironic isn't it) just abou all other animals on earth survive through eating some form of another animal or some product of an animal....etc. and in not even eating animal products you could put yourself into a health situation(but the smart vegans...don't)



    Round table pizza will sell you a pizza with no cheese and a lot of extra vegies if your a vegan....its really good I've had it multiple times.



    I eat many soy based products, lately I've been taking a liking to morning star fake meats. cause even though I don't eat meat I still do like the taste(I've always hated the texture) and the morningstar products have a better texture than beef and chicken and they taste almost identical.
  • Reply 46 of 81
    Well 10 years doesn't seem like a fad to me. Plus I'm male. I really can't see how its an eating disorder, especially for me since I do it mostly for health reasons. I don't think I'm starving myself of anything and I actually enjoy eating more now than I did 10 years ago.



    Lots of people say the human body was not designed to digest meat, while others say it was. But I think that doesn't matter because of all the crap they're putting in meat now adays.



    If I absolutely had to eat meat, it would be free range, non-antibiotic, non-nitrates, all natural. No processed crap, no fillers. There's a lot of health food stores that actually sell meat that way.



    If I was going to die if I didn't eat meat, well then I think my natural instincts would kick in and I'd eat it. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> I doubt that day will ever come...uhh...hopefully it won't. :o
  • Reply 47 of 81
    On a related note, is there anything ethically wrong with farm raised fish? How do they farm raise them. Are they like fish in a fishtank or do they have lots of room to swim around?



    I tried Rice Dream and I liked the taste. The problem is that it has a greasy feel to it in the mouth. Then I tried the no fat one and it didn't feel greasy but just tasted like water. Any ideas?
  • Reply 48 of 81
    The "I'm a vegan for health reasons" is exactly the disorder I refer to. If you vehemently detest killing animals, that's one thing, but if you're a vegan or vegetarian for "health reasons" then I'm on your case. Interestingly, many of the vegetarians I know are some of the least healthy / fit people I know. I have yet to actually meet a vegetarian that is healthier than I, and I'm a person whose diet is more than 50% meat (I count eggs and fish as meat).



    I know a lot of girls and women who have taken up vegetarianism lately because it can provide them with an ultra-low calorie diet rather easily. So in this respect it's a fad that came along with ultra-thin models. These women all claim "health reasons." The more reliable truth is that they want to look like models without doing much excercise.



    If you want to loose weight fast, go ahead and gorge yourself with anything you want. Just make sure to make a hobby out of 10k's.
  • Reply 49 of 81
    "I have yet to actually meet a vegetarian that is healthier than I, and I'm a person whose diet is more than 50% meat (I count eggs and fish as meat)."



    This is hilarious. How could your diet be more than 50% meat? When you eat a bowl of cereal in the morning do you also eat a bowl of meat to match it? A meal at a Chinese restaurant is not 50% meat when you consider the rice and the vegetables. Do you bring along extra meat with you?
  • Reply 50 of 81
    I'm vegetarian (not vegan), and have been since I was in my teens. What caused me to quit meat was two scary episodes of food poisoning in a month, one caused by a KFC meal, and the other from some pork sausages. Shortly after that, I saw a documentary on factory farming, one of the grossest things I have ever seen on TV, and that was it for me. At first I missed things like barbecued ribs (and I still love the smell of frying bacon!), but I would never go back! Now, food has never tasted better!



    Although a little more expensive, I always eat organically grown produce, since the notion of my body trying to deal with foreign chemicals it is not equipped to cope with, such as pesticides, herbicides and fungicides, is scary. Not only that, but organic veggies taste soooo much nicer!
  • Reply 51 of 81
    [quote]Originally posted by spindler:

    <strong>"I have yet to actually meet a vegetarian that is healthier than I, and I'm a person whose diet is more than 50% meat (I count eggs and fish as meat)."



    This is hilarious. How could your diet be more than 50% meat? When you eat a bowl of cereal in the morning do you also eat a bowl of meat to match it? A meal at a Chinese restaurant is not 50% meat when you consider the rice and the vegetables. Do you bring along extra meat with you?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I'm glad you asked. When I do eat breakfast, which depends on the day, I eat a tuna fish sandwich or some hard boiled eggs. I've never liked traditional breakfast foods. For lunch, I usually eat leftover meat from dinner plus some fruit. Or if I'm at school, some meat along with some fruit. For dinner, I eat primarily meat. . . Is it that hard to believe? It's not like I eat red meat everyday. . . I save that for the weekends .



    I've told you that I'm a health nut. I have a very high protein diet because I run a lot. The carbs I eat tend to be simple sugars. In the end, what foods are the tastiest? For me it's meats and fruits, so it's bliss to be on the diet that I'm on, which also happens to be perfect for my running and athletic pursuits. I also love soy milk and generally vegan protein foods.



    I probably get more starch from beer than I get from the food I eat.
  • Reply 52 of 81
    [quote]Originally posted by Splinemodel:

    <strong>The "I'm a vegan for health reasons" is exactly the disorder I refer to. If you vehemently detest killing animals, that's one thing, but if you're a vegan or vegetarian for "health reasons" then I'm on your case.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    You probably haven't met a lot of vegans. What do you define as healthy and how healthy are you? My cholesterol is super low. My good cholesterol is above average and my bad cholesterol is so slow its ridiculous (I don't have the numbers right now, I can find my last blood test if you want the real deal).

    My body fat is 12% (I work at a hospital, so I get all this information updated frequently).

    Lets see, what else...I exercise regularly. I'm thin, but not waif like. I don't even try to be thin, I'm not vegan to be thin, just healthy.



    I hardly get sick and when I do it usually doesn't last long, but that could also be from having access to regular flu shots and the like from working at the hospital.



    I don't see how you can be on my case for having an eating disorder. I don't eat meat for mostly health reasons but as I said in one of my first posts I also don't believe in killing animals.

    So I'm not a meat eater, whats the problem? The grain that is used to feed the cattle that you eat could feed 10x (at least) more people than that cow that died for your hamburger. So being vegan produces less waste.



    Again, thats just my choice. I'm not trying to make you switch but I think your view of veganism as an eating disorder is short sighted.
  • Reply 53 of 81
    [quote]Originally posted by Samantha Joanne Ollendale:

    <strong>I'm vegetarian (not vegan), and have been since I was in my teens. What caused me to quit meat was two scary episodes of food poisoning in a month, one caused by a KFC meal, and the other from some pork sausages</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Samantha thats horrible



    Thats one of the major reasons I don't eat that junk. I don't have to worry about my tofurky being contaminated with e-Coli!!



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  • Reply 54 of 81
    First of all, I'd like to apologize for any offensive comments I may have made to Willoughby. I realized that he's against killing animals, but I may have slipped him into some of my arguments. My fault. I'd also like to point out that I think everybody should have the right to live the way they choose. The big point is that vegans/vegetarians so often annoy me with their babble about their creed, yet none of them really gets it across. Even the lacto-ovo's I know just don't have the same stamina as meat-eaters. I don't see how it's healthy, when their performance is worse.



    I have low cholesterol and good blood pressure. My resting pulse is 59 (kind of high for a runner, but it's genetic) I never get sick. I am 6 feet tall and 160lbs with about 6% body fat. I can run a mile in 4 and a half minutes.



    When I started the diet I'm on currently is when I stopped getting sick. I still eat vegetables, but I don't make meals out of them.



    So that's my logic, plain and simple.
  • Reply 55 of 81
    I'm a member of PETA -- People for the Eating of Tasty Animals.



    Yes I know it's an old (and lame) joke. I don't care.



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  • Reply 56 of 81
    powerdocpowerdoc Posts: 8,123member
    Some years ago , i saw a TV emission made by the BBC.



    Concerning Vegetarians, they where no medical problems with thas sort of diet.



    Vegans (vegetaliens in french) is more problematic, it's very difficult to have all the necessary proteins for your health. Vegans is not good for the growth of childrens and should be prohiben for them. When you are adult you can rule your own choice, but parents should not oblige childs to go in a specific way.



    Otherwise, but just a personal thought i don't understand why you should not drink milk : afterall whe are all mammelans whether you eat grass like deer or meat like tiger. Milk is the only food with fruits where you are not oblige to kill a living creature (vegetal or animal).



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  • Reply 57 of 81
    [quote]Originally posted by Splinemodel:

    <strong>First of all, I'd like to apologize for any offensive comments I may have made to Willoughby. I realized that he's against killing animals, but I may have slipped him into some of my arguments. My fault. I'd also like to point out that I think everybody should have the right to live the way they choose. The big point is that vegans/vegetarians so often annoy me with their babble about their creed, yet none of them really gets it across. Even the lacto-ovo's I know just don't have the same stamina as meat-eaters. I don't see how it's healthy, when their performance is worse.



    I have low cholesterol and good blood pressure. My resting pulse is 59 (kind of high for a runner, but it's genetic) I never get sick. I am 6 feet tall and 160lbs with about 6% body fat. I can run a mile in 4 and a half minutes.



    When I started the diet I'm on currently is when I stopped getting sick. I still eat vegetables, but I don't make meals out of them.



    So that's my logic, plain and simple.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Hey, no harm done.

    I probably offend people just by my dietary habits. I always get strange looks at work when the topic comes up. A lot of people think its like anti-american to not eat at Lone Star Steakhouse or something



    But anyway...6% body fat!!? Wow. Can you even pinch any of your skin? hehe



    You know whats really weird. When they checked my body fat, they made me hold some strange device between my 2 hands and some how that measures it. Not sure how that works but I found it kinda kooky. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />



    Anyone know how/why it works?
  • Reply 58 of 81
    powerdocpowerdoc Posts: 8,123member
    [quote]Originally posted by Willoughby:

    <strong>







    But anyway...6% body fat!!? Wow. Can you even pinch any of your skin? hehe



    You know whats really weird. When they checked my body fat, they made me hold some strange device between my 2 hands and some how that measures it. Not sure how that works but I found it kinda kooky. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />



    Anyone know how/why it works?</strong><hr></blockquote>

    the less you have fat the moore easy to pinch your skin, try with the skin of the dorsal hand, and then compare it with the skin of the anterior thig.



    The device works with electricity : it's a question of electrical impedance, fat is a bad electrical conductor, the less you have fat the more you are a good electrical conductor.



    There is a another scientifical way to measure the fat : it's by the IRM which can compare the signal of water alone and whater linked to the fat : this is more precise but is only used for highly scientific applications.

    This make me remember a little story, when i was a young student in medecine, there was a demonstration of IRM scanner , someone ask it there was a athlete here, one of the student who was all sham, said yes, he enter in the machine and the answer came after one minute : sorry but you have too fat : you are not an athlete.
  • Reply 59 of 81
    Spline Model, the fact that you're physically fit and even athletic, while eating an extremely meat-heavy diet, does not constitute any kind of proof that a meat-heavy diet is the most healthy. There are far more world-class distance runners who eat a diet with very little meat, and who find that a too-heavy diet bogs them down.



    Does that mean I think you're lying, and that you're not really a physically fit person with a meat-heavy diet? No, I believe you. I was once a physically fit person with a meat-heavy diet too!



    But there are also lots of examples of the opposite.... Dave Scott, Edwin Moses, etc.
  • Reply 60 of 81
    [quote]Originally posted by spindler:

    <strong>On a related note, is there anything ethically wrong with farm raised fish? How do they farm raise them. Are they like fish in a fishtank or do they have lots of room to swim around?



    I tried Rice Dream and I liked the taste. The problem is that it has a greasy feel to it in the mouth. Then I tried the no fat one and it didn't feel greasy but just tasted like water. Any ideas?</strong><hr></blockquote>





    I primarily try to eat fish that I catch in the pacific ocean...but I haven't gone fishing in a long while, so I settle for fish other people catch in the pacific ocean I'm sure I have eaten farm fish and all that, but I try to eat stuff straight from the sea....or lake..but I prefer the ocean.

    there is lots of good fish up north...but I live down south were the fish is .....so-so.....at least compared to washington and oregon and canada and all that.
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