Steve Jobs says Apple must 'think big' with $40 billion in cash

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  • Reply 221 of 323
    wijgwijg Posts: 99member
    Big moves:



    --Voice commands that actually work. Would be a great way to break into business markets. Consumers would like it too. (My dad would use it since he can't type at all--wonders why keys aren't in alphabetical order.) Perfect complement to touch. Star Trek technology today!



    --Batteries. Very important for mobile (obviously). They could buy OKME (full disclosure: I own shares of OKME [and AAPL]).



    --Copy protection. Apple doesn't have to buy any media business to get great media deals. Just invent rock-solid copy protection. It would have to work across a broad base since the iTunes stranglehold on music isn't likely to be repeated with video. That is, media companies won't make that mistake again. But Apple could negotiate some reasonably preferential licensing deal for their trouble.



    --Politics. Now that corporations' free speech is recognized in the US, those clamoring for Apple to run the country for a few years could get their wish.



    --Endowments. Invest in partnerships with universities where the best and brightest are creating new technologies. Harness that creativity.



    --Artificial intelligence.
  • Reply 222 of 323
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    How would this work and how would this benefit's Apple's goals since Sprint is CDMA?







    The cell phone towers really don't care what type of radios you put on them.
  • Reply 223 of 323
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    So? What's the point? Are you now claiming to be an expert? If you've been inside every iPod, you should also be inside every iPhone, and every iPodTouch. Things change over the years. Apparently, you're not aware of the batteries you can buy.



    And as for their programs, even Greenpeace now agrees that Apple is doing more than other companies in this regard.



    I am an expert in ipod repair, including iphones and ipod touches. after the 3rd gen nano, ipods became uneconomically feasible to replace the battery - by design. Prove me wrong. 20,000+ posts dude? Somebody has a know-it-all complex. Get a life.
  • Reply 224 of 323
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post


    The cell phone towers really don't care what type of radios you put on them.



    The towers, themselves, sure. But why buy a company just for the towers if you'll have to spend years and building changing all the equipment? And CDMA and GSM towers are not spaced the same so you run into an issue or not having enough towers or having way too many. It just seems pointless to me, and that is without considering the exclusion it would cause with other carriers. Best just to sell you product to them.
  • Reply 225 of 323
    brucepbrucep Posts: 2,823member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Father View Post


    I am an expert in ipod repair, including iphones and ipod touches. after the 3rd gen nano, ipods became uneconomically feasible to replace the battery - by design. Prove me wrong. 20,000+ posts dude? Somebody has a know-it-all complex. Get a life.



    big deal

    mr expert some how bad battery pods sold 10 BN songs ,, wow hoe could that happen

    10 billiuon songs

    when my battery gets low i return my pod to an apple store and a get a new one on the spot .

    i am talking about 2n gen ipod 3 months ago and i got a 4 gen in return

    father you need a new job

    maybe as a zune repair man

    apple is 30 to 40 percent green

    in 10 yrs they will be 180 percent green

    apple does more than any other p/x\\c maker

    its glass screen alone saves lives
  • Reply 226 of 323
    brucepbrucep Posts: 2,823member
    i will say it again a nano phone will come
  • Reply 227 of 323
    vineavinea Posts: 5,585member
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    Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post


    Well yes, I don't see them needing multiple billions for anything they could do responsibly. But whenever the question is asked at the stockholder meetings, we get flimflammed by Steve. He should save that art for flogging product instead of sandbagging investors.



    Just because you don't have vision and don't understand that all other tech companies that Apple competes with also have huge warchests doesn't mean that Steve has no vision and doesn't understand what the competition is doing.



    I for one am very glad Apple resists appeasing short sighted people like you that simply want a payout. Who knows what things will be like in 5 years? What is certain is that Apple has sufficient reserves to "take bold risks" regardless. I'd much rather have "big bold" changes as my dividend.



    Google's billions in cash allow them to take the big bold risk of taking on the telcos and cable companies by daring them to do better or else. They have drawn a huge line in the sand by stating they are going to offer 1GB service to 50,000-500,000 customers in the US.



    None of those companies are poor either and sink billions into infrastructure buildout. That Google can match them makes the threat credible.



    Likewise Apple has that same strategic power. It would stupid to squander it paying out dividends.
  • Reply 228 of 323
    vineavinea Posts: 5,585member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    The towers, themselves, sure. But why buy a company just for the towers if you'll have to spend years and building changing all the equipment? And CDMA and GSM towers are not spaced the same so you run into an issue or not having enough towers or having way too many. It just seems pointless to me, and that is without considering the exclusion it would cause with other carriers. Best just to sell you product to them.



    Right of ways and spectrum. They have enough in the bank to make WiMax a credible threat in the same way Google is making their 1GB test a credible threat.



    Still probably not a great idea given that Google is investing heavily in that arena and their support for net neutrality.



    Investing in pushing the A4 and Apple's own SoCs forward will be expensive if they want a decisive competitive edge.
  • Reply 229 of 323
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    They also grow by developing their own product lines, not by buying their way into them.



    Except Apple has purchased their way into a lot of their product lines, sure they have developed them further, but they were not initially developed by Apple.
  • Reply 230 of 323
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    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    Except Apple has purchased their way into a lot of their product lines, sure they have developed them further, but they were not initially developed by Apple.



    Could you name them?
  • Reply 231 of 323
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post


    Could you name them?



    iDVD

    A bunch of technologies they gained from next, such as the basis for OSX, WebObjects etc

    Logic Pro

    Shake

    DVD Studio Pro

    Color

    The original WebKit

    The touch screen technology used in the iPhone and iPod touch

    iTunes





    There are a couple of the top of my head, there is nothing wrong with this, but the truth is, Apple doesn't develop all their products from scratch.
  • Reply 232 of 323
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    I give you a very small country, with a population of less than a half million, which depends on its income, mostly from banks which house hundreds of billions from tax evaders, just like Switzerland. The rest is from tourism and income from casinos.



    What does education have to do with it?



    You don't know squat about geography if you compare Luxembourg to the Sudan
  • Reply 233 of 323
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    Originally Posted by brucep View Post


    i will say it again a nano phone will come



    You were wrong the first time. The screen is the right size for the apps though, the iPad upscales them but a smaller screen would ruin them.
  • Reply 234 of 323
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vinea View Post


    Right of ways and spectrum. They have enough in the bank to make WiMax a credible threat in the same way Google is making their 1GB test a credible threat.



    Still probably not a great idea given that Google is investing heavily in that arena and their support for net neutrality.



    Investing in pushing the A4 and Apple's own SoCs forward will be expensive if they want a decisive competitive edge.



    I see WiMAX as nothing but a money pit. There is a reason why UMB was dropped and most everyone is moving to LTE. Sprint invested heavily in WiMAX too soon and now it looks like they hve to push it forward but I think they should just cut their loses now and go to LTE if they want to have a chance of surviving in the future, though I don't see anything that could save them at this point.
  • Reply 235 of 323
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    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


    Too many people lose perspective in a recession and make problems even worse than it needs to be. Some people behave as if it just stops everything, when it's really a slowdown, usually a moderate one at that. This time, it's not as moderate, but a sense of perspctive is still needed.



    Next time we have a recession, we should not tell anyone, people would continue spending and the recession would ease off. It's the consumer's mentality that makes recesssions happen. If the newspapers say "Recession", managers think "I'd better lay someone off", Employees get worried about their jobs and stop spending, they lose their jobs and spend even less. This happens to millions across the world, recession lasts for much longer.



    As for Apple's Mullah:



    Before the depression, Coca-Cola and Pepsi were fighting for control of the market, but were much more evenly matched than Apple and Microsoft are today. When the depression hit, Pepsi stopped all advertising but Coca Cola continued. To this day Pepsi haven't been able to catch up with Coca Cola.
  • Reply 236 of 323
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by QEII Student IT View Post


    Next time we have a recession, we should not tell anyone, people would continue spending and the recession would ease off. It's the consumer's mentality that makes recesssions happen. If the newspapers say "Recession", managers think "I'd better lay someone off", Employees get worried about their jobs and stop spending, they lose their jobs and spend even less. This happens to millions across the world, recession lasts for much longer.



    As for Apple's Mullah:



    Before the depression, Coca-Cola and Pepsi were fighting for control of the market, but were much more evenly matched than Apple and Microsoft are today. When the depression hit, Pepsi stopped all advertising but Coca Cola continued. To this day Pepsi haven't been able to catch up with Coca Cola.



    1) Recessions do not work that way. It's not the word of the recession that causes the recession, it's the effects itself, which you can't hide. There is too much data on the topic to keep away from the people, especially if they are the ones losing the jobs, the spending will stop.



    2) Apple and MS barely overlap in their competition, unlike Coca-Cola and Pepsi, who pretty much make exactly the same products in each category.



    3) Cocoa-Cola is so much better than Pepsi anyhow. I'm one of those people who will choose something else if I ask for a Coke and they say "is Pepsi okay?"
  • Reply 237 of 323
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    3) Cocoa-Cola is so much better than Pepsi anyhow. I'm one of those people who will choose something else if I ask for a Coke and they say "is Pepsi okay?"



    You are confusing fact with opinion again...
  • Reply 238 of 323
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    You are confusing fact with opinion again...



    Oy vey! I understand that you have a learning disability and I often try to give you a pass because of it, but if you are going to take an obviously jocose comment out of context to fuel your trollish desires then be prepared for your usual beat down.
  • Reply 239 of 323
    finetunesfinetunes Posts: 2,065member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    A bunch of technologies they gained from next, such as the basis for OSX, WebObjects etc



    There are a couple of the top of my head, there is nothing wrong with this, but the truth is, Apple doesn't develop all their products from scratch.



    You neglected the fact that NeXT Computer was founded by Steve Jobs after he was forced to leave Apple in 1985. The NeXT OS, Unix based was an objects oriented program. Apple brought Jobs back to the company and bought NeXT as part of the deal.



    In you want more info on NeXT:



    http://simson.net/ref/NeXT/
  • Reply 240 of 323
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,953member
    Also, Pixio, the OS that ran the original iPods, wasn't Apple's. [edit: it doesn't look like Apple bought Pixio company or the OS]



    Final Cut was bought from Macromedia. A lot of the products that Apple buys do go though a lot of changes since the purchase, but they weren't ground-up Apple products, eventually people forget the origins because Apple is good at homogenizing the look and feel of the product into an Apple style.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by QEII Student IT View Post


    You don't know squat about geography if you compare Luxembourg to the Sudan



    You missed the context and a clarification for those that didn't understand the original comment. The original poster didn't make it as a comparison of geography, it was only a list of three countries that had a GDP of roughly $40B USD.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    1) Recessions do not work that way. It's not the word of the recession that causes the recession, it's the effects itself, which you can't hide. There is too much data on the topic to keep away from the people, especially if they are the ones losing the jobs, the spending will stop.



    You're right. I know there is a business cycle, but some recessions seem to made even worse worse as self-fulfilling prophesies. I think one could happen if there are enough "experts" on TV declaring that there is a recession imminent, that can spook people into making drastic changes. There are enough experts of dubious quality getting information, and those tend to mock the good ones. For example, Ben Stein mocked a person who that said there was a real estate bubble, it should have been obvious to anyone that's paying attention, and why I didn't buy a house. Why people give him credibility, I don't know.



    If only more people had some self-discipline and saved more & planned ahead when the times were good, a lot fewer people would have to take drastic measures when there's a downturn.
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