Inside Apple's iPad: iPhone OS vs Mac OS X

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  • Reply 41 of 147
    ltmpltmp Posts: 204member
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    Originally Posted by iBill View Post


    I nominate Khara Cara for the official spokeswoman for Apple's multitouch OS.



    I nominate her for anything she wants!
  • Reply 42 of 147
    I argue with friends all the time over whether it should be full OS X and iPhone OS.

    Although I still think Apple needs to open up more things on the iPad, they made the right choice with the OS.



    The problem is that people try to view the iPad as a computer where as Apple is clearly transitioning it more as an appliance. Similar to how the iMac was never meant to be a typical sit on the floor ever expandable PC, it was made to target a specific market.



    A huge portion of the population just emails, web browses, and plays a few simple games. For them the iPad could be a complete PC replacement, but for others its not. This is the market the iPad is made for. People who have not used a computer (yes they exist) can use the iPhone Touch interface almost imediately.



    My guess is that most "techies" would be OK with having the iPhone OS interface as default, but also want enough OS X functionality still enabled to customize the iPad for uses Apple hasn't or doesn't see fit and that is the real problem.
  • Reply 43 of 147
    That was one hot video, phhheeewwww.



    I too nominathe Khara for anything.
  • Reply 44 of 147
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    Originally Posted by Headrush69 View Post


    I argue with friends all the time over whether it should be full OS X and iPhone OS.

    Although I still think Apple needs to open up more things on the iPad, they made the right choice with the OS.



    The problem is that people try to view the iPad as a computer where as Apple is clearly transitioning it more as an appliance. Similar to how the iMac was never meant to be a typical sit on the floor ever expandable PC, it was made to target a specific market.



    A huge portion of the population just emails, web browses, and plays a few simple games. For them the iPad could be a complete PC replacement, but for others its not. This is the market the iPad is made for. People who have not used a computer (yes they exist) can use the iPhone Touch interface almost imediately.



    My guess is that most "techies" would be OK with having the iPhone OS interface as default, but also want enough OS X functionality still enabled to customize the iPad for uses Apple hasn't or doesn't see fit and that is the real problem.



    Agreed, I'm looking fwd to the iPad exactly for the reason you describe...'an appliance.' for entertainment, whether it be reading the WSJ online or book or listening to music or photos of my daughter, etc., etc. Really the only thing I do on my MacBook and iMac is work, work, work! As far as entertainment maybe a little bit of music recording on the Macs. Imagine being in a RV and the only thing you need is your iPhone and an iPad (3Gs)
  • Reply 45 of 147
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    No, what you wanted was Mac, for cheap. Nobody wants a netbook, they just can't afford anything else.



    Who said anything about "cheap"? I think there would be a market for a good, fast ultraportable Mac with great battery life. I'd love to have such a device to take to university. And no, the Air doesn't qualify, since its footprint is still too big and its battery life sucks compared to a good netbook. Something like the Air with a 9 or 10" screen, a great keyboard and 10 hour+ battery life (just look at Asus' upcoming netbooks!) - I'd get that in a heartbeat. The "Air Mini" or whatever.
  • Reply 46 of 147
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    Originally Posted by Parkettpolitur View Post


    Who said anything about "cheap"? I think there would be a market for a good, fast ultraportable Mac with great battery life. I'd love to have such a device to take to university. And no, the Air doesn't qualify, since its footprint is still too big and its battery life sucks compared to a good netbook. Something like the Air with a 9 or 10" screen, a great keyboard and 10 hour+ battery life (just look at Asus' upcoming netbooks!) - I'd get that in a heartbeat. The "Air Mini" or whatever.



    I've always been attracted to the Air but thought it too expensive for my budget. The 'footprint' you mentioned is interesting.



    I know because it's thin it has to have the larger footprint to get the guts in but when I look at the apple laptop line the 1" border around the screen always looks thick to me. I would have thought Apple would make them with a lot less border around the screen.
  • Reply 47 of 147
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    Originally Posted by pmz View Post


    No, what you wanted was Mac, for cheap. Nobody wants a netbook, they just can't afford anything else.



    Quite right, I saw someone trying to give a powerpoint presentation using a netbook and it was incapable of rendering a chart which antialiased text making unreadable.
  • Reply 48 of 147
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    Originally Posted by Stashman View Post


    I'm hopeing for a built in spellchecker for all text fields.



    Safari has one, you know?
  • Reply 49 of 147
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    Originally Posted by Aizmov View Post


    nothing stopping Microsoft from doing so



    Exactly. And, Apple has made it quite easy already, by allowing PPT files to be read and edited as KN files, and then saved back as PPT.
  • Reply 50 of 147
    jmmxjmmx Posts: 341member
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    Originally Posted by zunx View Post


    Mac OS X rules. Mac OS X touch is what the iPad should have. And the reason that it does not have it is simple: Intel could not deliver a chip with a TDP as low as ARM. Simply that. A shame! Now, bring Microsoft Office to the iPad and specifically PowerPoint to the iPad and it will make it.



    Sorry buddy but your comment about Intel displays total ignorance of the system. The iPhone OS is based on Mac OS and is built on top of the same Unix based kernel. Therefore, there is no technical reason why OSX could not easily be run on the iPad or iPhone.



    From Wikipedia - iPhone OS:

    "It is derived from Mac OS X, with which it shares the Darwin foundation, and is therefore a Unix-like operating system by nature. iPhone OS has four abstraction layers: the Core OS layer, the Core Services layer, the Media layer, and the Cocoa Touch layer. "
  • Reply 51 of 147
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    Originally Posted by christopher126 View Post


    I've always been attracted to the Air but thought it too expensive for my budget. The 'footprint' you mentioned is interesting.



    I know because it's thin it has to have the larger footprint to get the guts in but when I look at the apple laptop line the 1" border around the screen always looks thick to me. I would have thought Apple would make them with a lot less border around the screen.



    They could make it a bit thicker for all I care. Although Asus is on the cusp of releasing a new netbook in an aluminum-chassis that is just 0.7 inches thick and still offers 10 hours of battery life (see here), so they might not even have to. And I agree with you about the Air's screen; that bezel is huge and ugly. Shrink the whole thing to 9 or ten inches, make it slightly thicker if need be, get rid of the bezel and give us a 10 hour+ battery - that would be awesome.
  • Reply 52 of 147
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    Originally Posted by pmz View Post


    There does not exist a single individual with a purpose beyond total troll, who ever thought or suggested the iPad would run Mac OSX.



    The only actual debate was between whether the iPhone OS or a modified iPhone OS would be used, ad clearly both were correct.



    There was never a realistic chance in hell that Mac OSX would be anywhere near a touch device ( a touch mac ). And no one actually seriously considered it.



    AI lends far too much creedence to "observers". What a joke.



    The article was merely setting up a strawman, at worst, so as to develop its arguments as counterpoints. Not such a big deal.
  • Reply 53 of 147
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    Originally Posted by 4miler View Post


    I do not want to type on glass when doing serious work for lengthy periods -- and likewise, when creating content, I don't like a keyboard that takes up half the screen.



    I play Tetris on my iPhone and I think I have damaged all the nerves in my fingertip from tapping on the hard glass. Can't see anyone wanting to type letters this way. Especially with just two fingers.



    Yes there is a keyboard available, but there was a CD drive available for the MacBook Air and that didn't stop people from saying, "Where's the DVD drive?"
  • Reply 54 of 147
    igeniusigenius Posts: 1,240member
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    Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns View Post


    Some people have to criticize something just to feel good about themselves....In the tablet spaces, Apple have very little to worry about from the likes of MS, Dull, re I mean Dell, and the rest of the wannabes.



    I nominate this post for the Best Unintended Irony award.
  • Reply 55 of 147
    igeniusigenius Posts: 1,240member
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    Originally Posted by just_a_guy View Post


    What I think people are failing to see is that apple has finally figured out a way to make an OS that doesn't use a mouse. They designed it for the finger and they have done it very well.



    The lack of mouse functionality will make the 'Pad a PITA to use with the keyboard dock. Switching from mouse to keyboard is bad enough - but switching from the keyboard to using your entire arm to reach out and touch the screen will be dreadful.



    I hope that the 'Pad will have extensive keyboard shortcuts, or else it will be very difficult to use for serious keyboard work.
  • Reply 56 of 147
    igeniusigenius Posts: 1,240member
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    Originally Posted by dcorleto View Post


    Tablets are associated with ... writing capability.



    Wait until I grab a tablet of paper to make a note of that.
  • Reply 57 of 147
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    Originally Posted by Jerseymac View Post


    I play Tetris on my iPhone and I think I have damaged all the nerves in my fingertip from tapping on the hard glass. Can't see anyone wanting to type letters this way. Especially with just two fingers.



    Yes there is a keyboard available, but there was a CD drive available for the MacBook Air and that didn't stop people from saying, "Where's the DVD drive?"



    You injured your fingers playing tetris on the iphone? Because of the hard glass? You either have no sense of relative touch or you play way, way, way too much tetris. Touch lighter bro. It doesn't work better by touching harder. I like to play allot of games as well and I've never had "touch-itis".



    Why does everyone exaggerate so much? It doesn't help make your point when people think you are lying about your experience.



    Further, if you are talking about the ipad i have to ask; have you seen the keyboard? The keys are huge and the letter board is almost full size. Looks pretty easy to type on. I can't wait to use it for casual writing, especially short letters. You won't have to use just two fingers.
  • Reply 58 of 147
    rob55rob55 Posts: 1,290member
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    Originally Posted by spliff monkey View Post


    You injured your fingers playing tetris on the iphone? Because of the hard glass? You either have no sense of relative touch or you play way, way, way too much tetris. Touch lighter bro. It doesn't work better by touching harder. I like to play allot of games as well and I've never had "touch-itis".



    Why does everyone exaggerate so much? It doesn't help make your point when people think you are lying about your experience.



    Thank you for saying what needed to be said. Typing on a keyboard for long periods of time does a heck-of-a-lot more damage than tapping on "hard glass" (which in all likelihood doesn't cause any).
  • Reply 59 of 147
    mark2005mark2005 Posts: 1,158member
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    Originally Posted by sapporobabyrtrns View Post


    Agreed, but I want a light OS on a portable device such as the iPad. For full on computing, I have my MBP. I believe this is where Apple is trying to make a distinction.



    Apple is making the distinction for now, as Dilger says, so as to build up an alternate market of multi-touch-centric software.



    In the long run and recognizing Apple's ability to keep leveraging products, Macs will get the ability to run all the iPhone/iPad apps. MB/MBPs could get detachable/dockable displays, though I'm not sure how it would work well on desktop screens (tilt the screen to a 30 degree angle?).



    In any case, at that point, Macs will then have a bigger advantage over Windows, which despite now having touch capabilities, has a chicken-and-egg problem with touch-based software and touch-based devices.
  • Reply 60 of 147
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,471member
    Re the video: I loved it ... I know the acting was so over the top and totally amateurish but deliberately so .. it was brilliant. I also feel - and I know only time will tell - but totally true except possibly regarding entering the Mac Pro arena, I bet some of this technology will find its way to the main platforms over time. Editing on a pair of semi horizontal, touch enabled 30" screens with a multi touch version of FCPro just might be awesome!
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