1) By wanting it to have free 3G for iTS, App Store, and iBookstore downloads by default I wasn't implying that it wouldn't have any other 3G access capabilities.
As soon as you restrict it tho, you are a cheap bastard... The Kindle gets away with it because no matter how much web surfing you can do, the limitations of the screen are such that you aren't going to. Just like my Windows Mobile smartphone, in theory, could surf the Internet. The experience sucked so bad I never did!
No wireless provider in their right mind is going to sign up to provide the same deal the Kindle got for the iPad.
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I've stated, at least in other threads, that also allowing for 3G data access via AT&T would be necessary but also allowing those who don't want to pay a monthly fee wouldn't have to. This would increase the HW cost, but I didn't think it would retail for so cheap.
Wait, 3G is necessary but you shouldn't have to pay a monthly fee if you don't want to because it's included in the hardware cost?
Make up my mind -is it built in (I already stated why I think it's unfeasible) or not (what we have now)?
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2) I don't see this is as being a difficult thing to do so long as you have the periodical publisher on board. You give them a template to use for the device and let them test and distribute it when its ready using the push technology already found on iPhones and iPods. The system gets a message that their is a magazine or newspaper that is ready which it then calls their server with your account data (baed on just your iTS account, not a different one for each publisher). The customer will determine if the quality is good enough letting the free market work itself out.
Yeah, but if Apple is proving the book store 'ala iTunes, then Apple needs to make this work. It's nuts to expect every publisher to figure this out for their own.
There should be a preference - if my iPhone is getting powered (docked, charger, whatever) and it's within range of my home wifi I should be able to have it sync with my computer automatically. It really shouldn't be that hard. All the arguments about time are crap - I'm generally topping off and replacing a fraction of content. And if I want to spend three days doing an initial sync over wifi what the heck does it matter? My iPhone is docked in the alarm clock at my nightstand for at least 8 hours every day - even over wifi you should be able to do a backup and sync a significant portion of an iPhone, easy! Hopefully the bookstore will push this...
As soon as you restrict it tho, you are a cheap bastard... The Kindle gets away with it because no matter how much web surfing you can do, the limitations of the screen are such that you aren't going to. Just like my Windows Mobile smartphone, in theory, could surf the Internet. The experience sucked so bad I never did!
Why am I cheap bastard, exactly?
edit: If 'you' referred to Apple how are they less stingy? They would be considerably less stingy by such an action. There would be more impulse buys from the App Store, iTS and/or iBookstore and every iPad sale would offer potential for AT&T to get money for internet data usage.
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No wireless provider in their right mind is going to sign up to provide the same deal the Kindle got for the iPad.
AAmazon and B&N can swing that deal with telcos so why wouldn't Apple be able to do a similar deal since they are already in with them.
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Wait, 3G is necessary but you shouldn't have to pay a monthly fee if you don't want to because it's included in the hardware cost?
¿Que? I never said it was necessary for everyone, just for my needs and likely many potential buyers. No, you shouldn't have to pay a monthly service fee if you don't want to, which is exactly what they did with the iPad. What is wrong with month-to-month for the people that want to utilize 3G?
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Make up my mind -is it built in (I already stated why I think it's unfeasible) or not (what we have now)?
Check out their site. There are two model categories: one with WiFi and one with WiFi+3GSM+GPS.
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Yeah, but if Apple is proving the book store 'ala iTunes, then Apple needs to make this work. It's nuts to expect every publisher to figure this out for their own.
Apple already figured out how to make it work. My suggestion is a way to harness these pre-built tools to get the convenience of magazines in the mail and newspapers at the doorstep with the iPad.
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There should be a preference - if my iPhone is getting powered (docked, charger, whatever) and it's within range of my home wifi I should be able to have it sync with my computer automatically. It really shouldn't be that hard. All the arguments about time are crap - I'm generally topping off and replacing a fraction of content. And if I want to spend three days doing an initial sync over wifi what the heck does it matter? My iPhone is docked in the alarm clock at my nightstand for at least 8 hours every day - even over wifi you should be able to do a backup and sync a significant portion of an iPhone, easy! Hopefully the bookstore will push this...
I was lost at the first sentence of your last reply but tried to figure it out but now I have no idea what this has to do about including 3G for intranet downloads with an option to pay for 3G internet usage.
If you buy an iPad to read books, then you either don't read a lot or don't value your eye balls.
People who will be buying an iPad won't be reading on the like Kindle readers read. I have a Kindle 2 and me using it to read and buy books won't change unless when I try out an iPad something is different that I am not seeing. Like an e-ink display.
In the meantime, I will be getting an iPad for all the other reasons besides reading a book.
why would an ipadian not read alot ??
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Originally Posted by charlituna
and you know this for a fact because you have an ipad.
oh wait.
dude too funny
i spit out my root beer
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Oh wait, they released the specifications on the display. Oh man, what a concept!
I own several Apple products and love them. But I don't blindly cheer Apple for whatever it does. What Apple is doing is that it is jacking up prices of ebooks. I have to agree with Jeff Bezos in that the publishers do not incur printing related costs with ebooks. I dont see any reason why they should be more expensive than a paperback. If you are a avid book reader and ebooks are your thing then you are likely to get pretty mad at Apple
I own several Apple products and love them. But I don't blindly cheer Apple for whatever it does. What Apple is doing is that it is jacking up prices of ebooks. I have to agree with Jeff Bezos in that the publishers do not incur printing related costs with ebooks. I dont see any reason why they should be more expensive than a paperback. If you are a avid book reader and ebooks are your thing then you are likely to get pretty mad at Apple
I am an avid book reader and ebooks are my thing and I am not mad at Apple at all.
I was mildly annoyed with Amazon though about ebooks and Bezos was strong arming the publishers for his own gain. Nothing wrong with that if you can get away with it. Apple simply made it impossible for him to get away with it anymore.
Printing costs are minimal anyway. That's a canard.
People spend 8+ hours a day working on worst displays. I've been spending much more every day working on my computer for the last 15 years and my eye sight didn't change. My doctor told me as long as I keep my eyes moist, keep the display at reasonable distance, and avoid squinting I will be fine.
What do you consider a reasonable distance? The iPad will be within arms reach and most likely closer than that. My iMac is out of arms reach right now.
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And since the vast majority of e-books is read from a PC screen, and not from a Kindle...
Maybe so. But I stand behind my statement. The Kindle is much easier on the eye balls when reading compared to any computer screen I have ever used.
I am going to get an iPad with 3G. I just won't use it for reading books for hours at a time like I would use my Kindle. Maybe time will prove me wrong but I don't see this changing.
What do you consider a reasonable distance? The iPad will be within arms reach and most likely closer than that. My iMac is out of arms reach right now.
If I remember correctly not less than 18 inches away, which is within arms reach. People who use laptops, and there are many of them including myself, always have their displays within arms reach due the configuration of the laptop.
AAmazon and B&N can swing that deal with telcos so why wouldn't Apple be able to do a similar deal since they are already in with them.
Because the inheret limitations in the device guarantee it will never be a bandwidth sucking data hog like a 3G iPad could be (all you have to do is look at the grief the iPhone caused AT&T).
They (Amazon and B&N) got included wifi because they were able to negotiate max bandwidth for the device. Apple can't do that with the iPad without creating tiered usage for the 3G - and that's a public relations nightmare waiting. Just look at the fuss over blocking things like sling from working over 3G.
The Kindle/B&N wifi can't work on the iPad. It's just not feasible. Apple did the best thing they could by making it unlocked and not requiring a contract. Offering a second model without it entirely was even better since it got them to the $500 price point.
Because the inheret limitations in the device guarantee it will never be a bandwidth sucking data hog like a 3G iPad could be (all you have to do is look at the grief the iPhone caused AT&T).
They (Amazon and B&N) got included wifi because they were able to negotiate max bandwidth for the device. Apple can't do that with the iPad without creating tiered usage for the 3G - and that's a public relations nightmare waiting. Just look at the fuss over blocking things like sling from working over 3G.
The Kindle/B&N wifi can't work on the iPad. It's just not feasible. Apple did the best thing they could by making it unlocked and not requiring a contract. Offering a second model without it entirely was even better since it got them to the $500 price point.
I understand there are potential issues, especially considering that AT&T still hasn't been able to get a handle on offering tethered access to the iPhone and Apple wasn't able to adequately prevent tethering until the latest update 3.1.3. It was just a hope they would find a solution to offer one device, that the customer could use for iTS/App Store/iBookstore content with AT&T getting a kickback and with the option for every and all iPads to have the 3G card so the customers could always have the option to add internet data to the device.
There are some solutions they could use, but their could be issues with keeping one door open and the other adequately closed. Still, I can't help but wish they didn't have two devices per category to choose from.
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1) By wanting it to have free 3G for iTS, App Store, and iBookstore downloads by default I wasn't implying that it wouldn't have any other 3G access capabilities.
As soon as you restrict it tho, you are a cheap bastard... The Kindle gets away with it because no matter how much web surfing you can do, the limitations of the screen are such that you aren't going to. Just like my Windows Mobile smartphone, in theory, could surf the Internet. The experience sucked so bad I never did!
No wireless provider in their right mind is going to sign up to provide the same deal the Kindle got for the iPad.
I've stated, at least in other threads, that also allowing for 3G data access via AT&T would be necessary but also allowing those who don't want to pay a monthly fee wouldn't have to. This would increase the HW cost, but I didn't think it would retail for so cheap.
Wait, 3G is necessary but you shouldn't have to pay a monthly fee if you don't want to because it's included in the hardware cost?
Make up my mind -is it built in (I already stated why I think it's unfeasible) or not (what we have now)?
2) I don't see this is as being a difficult thing to do so long as you have the periodical publisher on board. You give them a template to use for the device and let them test and distribute it when its ready using the push technology already found on iPhones and iPods. The system gets a message that their is a magazine or newspaper that is ready which it then calls their server with your account data (baed on just your iTS account, not a different one for each publisher). The customer will determine if the quality is good enough letting the free market work itself out.
Yeah, but if Apple is proving the book store 'ala iTunes, then Apple needs to make this work. It's nuts to expect every publisher to figure this out for their own.
There should be a preference - if my iPhone is getting powered (docked, charger, whatever) and it's within range of my home wifi I should be able to have it sync with my computer automatically. It really shouldn't be that hard. All the arguments about time are crap - I'm generally topping off and replacing a fraction of content. And if I want to spend three days doing an initial sync over wifi what the heck does it matter? My iPhone is docked in the alarm clock at my nightstand for at least 8 hours every day - even over wifi you should be able to do a backup and sync a significant portion of an iPhone, easy! Hopefully the bookstore will push this...
As soon as you restrict it tho, you are a cheap bastard... The Kindle gets away with it because no matter how much web surfing you can do, the limitations of the screen are such that you aren't going to. Just like my Windows Mobile smartphone, in theory, could surf the Internet. The experience sucked so bad I never did!
Why am I cheap bastard, exactly?
edit: If 'you' referred to Apple how are they less stingy? They would be considerably less stingy by such an action. There would be more impulse buys from the App Store, iTS and/or iBookstore and every iPad sale would offer potential for AT&T to get money for internet data usage.
No wireless provider in their right mind is going to sign up to provide the same deal the Kindle got for the iPad.
AAmazon and B&N can swing that deal with telcos so why wouldn't Apple be able to do a similar deal since they are already in with them.
Wait, 3G is necessary but you shouldn't have to pay a monthly fee if you don't want to because it's included in the hardware cost?
¿Que? I never said it was necessary for everyone, just for my needs and likely many potential buyers. No, you shouldn't have to pay a monthly service fee if you don't want to, which is exactly what they did with the iPad. What is wrong with month-to-month for the people that want to utilize 3G?
Make up my mind -is it built in (I already stated why I think it's unfeasible) or not (what we have now)?
Check out their site. There are two model categories: one with WiFi and one with WiFi+3GSM+GPS.
Yeah, but if Apple is proving the book store 'ala iTunes, then Apple needs to make this work. It's nuts to expect every publisher to figure this out for their own.
Apple already figured out how to make it work. My suggestion is a way to harness these pre-built tools to get the convenience of magazines in the mail and newspapers at the doorstep with the iPad.
There should be a preference - if my iPhone is getting powered (docked, charger, whatever) and it's within range of my home wifi I should be able to have it sync with my computer automatically. It really shouldn't be that hard. All the arguments about time are crap - I'm generally topping off and replacing a fraction of content. And if I want to spend three days doing an initial sync over wifi what the heck does it matter? My iPhone is docked in the alarm clock at my nightstand for at least 8 hours every day - even over wifi you should be able to do a backup and sync a significant portion of an iPhone, easy! Hopefully the bookstore will push this...
I was lost at the first sentence of your last reply but tried to figure it out but now I have no idea what this has to do about including 3G for intranet downloads with an option to pay for 3G internet usage.
If you buy an iPad to read books, then you either don't read a lot or don't value your eye balls.
People who will be buying an iPad won't be reading on the like Kindle readers read. I have a Kindle 2 and me using it to read and buy books won't change unless when I try out an iPad something is different that I am not seeing. Like an e-ink display.
In the meantime, I will be getting an iPad for all the other reasons besides reading a book.
why would an ipadian not read alot ??
and you know this for a fact because you have an ipad.
oh wait.
dude too funny
i spit out my root beer
Oh wait, they released the specifications on the display. Oh man, what a concept!
dude
too late
too little
no biggie
thanks for the giggle
the kindle is small and will remain small
the ipad already is larger in every way
adding pod casts video cast to movies and music and the web
etc etc will make the ipad monster
why even bother \\steve has arrived
game over
GO APPLE
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I own several Apple products and love them. But I don't blindly cheer Apple for whatever it does. What Apple is doing is that it is jacking up prices of ebooks. I have to agree with Jeff Bezos in that the publishers do not incur printing related costs with ebooks. I dont see any reason why they should be more expensive than a paperback. If you are a avid book reader and ebooks are your thing then you are likely to get pretty mad at Apple
I am an avid book reader and ebooks are my thing and I am not mad at Apple at all.
I was mildly annoyed with Amazon though about ebooks and Bezos was strong arming the publishers for his own gain. Nothing wrong with that if you can get away with it. Apple simply made it impossible for him to get away with it anymore.
Printing costs are minimal anyway. That's a canard.
People spend 8+ hours a day working on worst displays. I've been spending much more every day working on my computer for the last 15 years and my eye sight didn't change. My doctor told me as long as I keep my eyes moist, keep the display at reasonable distance, and avoid squinting I will be fine.
What do you consider a reasonable distance? The iPad will be within arms reach and most likely closer than that. My iMac is out of arms reach right now.
And since the vast majority of e-books is read from a PC screen, and not from a Kindle...
Maybe so. But I stand behind my statement. The Kindle is much easier on the eye balls when reading compared to any computer screen I have ever used.
I am going to get an iPad with 3G. I just won't use it for reading books for hours at a time like I would use my Kindle. Maybe time will prove me wrong but I don't see this changing.
What do you consider a reasonable distance? The iPad will be within arms reach and most likely closer than that. My iMac is out of arms reach right now.
If I remember correctly not less than 18 inches away, which is within arms reach. People who use laptops, and there are many of them including myself, always have their displays within arms reach due the configuration of the laptop.
AAmazon and B&N can swing that deal with telcos so why wouldn't Apple be able to do a similar deal since they are already in with them.
Because the inheret limitations in the device guarantee it will never be a bandwidth sucking data hog like a 3G iPad could be (all you have to do is look at the grief the iPhone caused AT&T).
They (Amazon and B&N) got included wifi because they were able to negotiate max bandwidth for the device. Apple can't do that with the iPad without creating tiered usage for the 3G - and that's a public relations nightmare waiting. Just look at the fuss over blocking things like sling from working over 3G.
The Kindle/B&N wifi can't work on the iPad. It's just not feasible. Apple did the best thing they could by making it unlocked and not requiring a contract. Offering a second model without it entirely was even better since it got them to the $500 price point.
Because the inheret limitations in the device guarantee it will never be a bandwidth sucking data hog like a 3G iPad could be (all you have to do is look at the grief the iPhone caused AT&T).
They (Amazon and B&N) got included wifi because they were able to negotiate max bandwidth for the device. Apple can't do that with the iPad without creating tiered usage for the 3G - and that's a public relations nightmare waiting. Just look at the fuss over blocking things like sling from working over 3G.
The Kindle/B&N wifi can't work on the iPad. It's just not feasible. Apple did the best thing they could by making it unlocked and not requiring a contract. Offering a second model without it entirely was even better since it got them to the $500 price point.
I understand there are potential issues, especially considering that AT&T still hasn't been able to get a handle on offering tethered access to the iPhone and Apple wasn't able to adequately prevent tethering until the latest update 3.1.3. It was just a hope they would find a solution to offer one device, that the customer could use for iTS/App Store/iBookstore content with AT&T getting a kickback and with the option for every and all iPads to have the 3G card so the customers could always have the option to add internet data to the device.
There are some solutions they could use, but their could be issues with keeping one door open and the other adequately closed. Still, I can't help but wish they didn't have two devices per category to choose from.