Apple couldn't implement it worth a damn, and they are suffering. So they sue.
So you've decided to stop even pretending to make sense and just give yourself over to pure, unadulterated trolling? Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
patent 5,929,852 looks to me to be a little bogus, it seems like they patented the <a href> tag, representations of a network resource using a URL? really?
So you've decided to stop even pretending to make sense and just give yourself over to pure, unadulterated trolling? Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
I didn't mention better voice call quality because of the dual-microphone. Or the higher resolution screen. Or the option to have a physical keyboard in addition to a software keyboard. Or the upgradable memory. Or the faster processor. etc, etc.
Admit it, the iPhone has fallen behind. Apple's refresh cycle is far too slow to compete with the several other phone makers, so it sues to stop it.
That's the situation. You can disagree and continue in your ignorance for all I care.
Again: "Google's don't be evil mantra? It's bullshit! They're trying to kill us!" - Steve Jobs on the Google phone platform.
That's the second time you've posted that attribution to affirm that Jobs is "scared shitless." Absent tone, context, emotion, and knowledge of Job's fuller sense of it, isn't that possibly reading more into the words than is available to us ... i.e., a subjective interpretation?
I love the side note. I think most people in America (or at least those on the Internet) have forgotten the difference between lose and loose. It's just so embarrassing.
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Originally Posted by Boogerman2000
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Just a side note:
Do not lose the debate by using loose arguments. It is a great loss and a lost crusade if we rely too much on loose arguments to be the foundation of the discourse here.
CGC
While we're at it..
There must be an easier way to convince them that their use of lose and loose is incorrect but they're not getting it.
I thought it was a way to lighten and deflect such a heated debate.
The essence of civil discourse is lost when people confuse their perception of right and wrong to be synonymous with what is true and false.
With this incorrect foundation in a forum, the principals consider it a matter of principle to defend their point of view. Every topic becomes a lightning bolt thrown at the adversary. Each topic becomes a crusade to ensure that anyone who believes or thinks otherwise must be vilified .
Alas, whether in the internet or real life, there seems to be no more room for a meeting of minds nor any thought to strive and understand the facts. I wonder sometimes why we even bother to exchange views in forums.
I didn't mention better voice call quality because of the dual-microphone. Or the higher resolution screen. Or the option to have a physical keyboard in addition to a software keyboard. Or the upgradable memory. Or the faster processor. etc, etc.
Admit it, the iPhone has fallen behind. Apple's refresh cycle is far too slow to compete with the several other phone makers, so it sues to stop it.
That's the situation. You can disagree and continue in your ignorance for all I care.
Gosh. Drop in hardware parts to hit spec numbers. No way Apple could compete with that. That must be why iPhone sales are going nowhere.
So, the iPhone has a larger screen size and higher screen resolution than competing phones...?
You think Apple didn't have the ability to put a larger screen and higher screen resolution on the iPhone 3GS? If so, why didn't they? Were the display suppliers prejudiced against Apple? Was Apple too stupid to look for larger screens and screens with higher resolutions? What exactly stopped Apple from adding it but allowed its competitors to do so?
Clearly, Apple chose not to increase the size of the screen and not to increase the resolution and not to use OLED (you left that one out!) because in Apple's view, they simply aren't as important to smartphone consumers as other things are. The screen size is large enough for a device that needs to be pocketable. The resolution is high enough for a device that's held a foot or less from your eyes. System responsiveness, touch accuracy, UI layout and navigation (see Edward Tufte), among other things, are more important.
Admit it, the iPhone has fallen behind. Apple's refresh cycle is far too slow to compete with the several other phone makers, so it sues to stop it.
That's the situation. You can disagree and continue in your ignorance for all I care.
If the problem is the refresh cycle, wouldn't it make more sense to increase the refresh cycle? (Have you heard of Occam's razor?) After all, it might take a year for the ITC to act (and injunctions are rarely granted these days according to the NYTimes), and more than 5 years to work through the Delaware courts (including appeals).
Apple has $40B in the bank; it could hire a few more workers and pay a few more factories to crank out a model in Oct and another in Feb. They'd love the business. iPhone has the largest profit margins by far (estimated 58% to second place RIM's estimated 42%, next highest is in the low 30s); it could afford to even sell iPhones cheaper to the carriers or consumers. All these options would likely even be cheaper than suing, and seemingly help Apple to selll many more iPhones.
Won't you even entertain the slightest possibility that you are wrong?
Gosh. Drop in hardware parts to hit spec numbers. No way Apple could compete with that. That must be why iPhone sales are going nowhere.
Peter Misek of Canaccord Adams must be wrong then; he just increased his iPhone estimate from 7.2m to 7.9m units for the quarter. That's a 108% increase year-over-year.
But alas, Apple is falling behind. g3pro says so. And everyone else is ignorant.
People also forget that Apple could get hauled into court by the Feds for possible patent portfolio abuse.
It's not as crazy as it sounds. If you have taken a first-year college course in economics, you may remember the famous US v. United Shoe Machinery Company cases, where the courts determined that United Shoe abused its portfolio on shoemaking machine patents to deliberately shut out competitors. Apple is now approaching the point that they could get sued by the Feds for deliberately using its iPhone patents to shut out any up-and-coming competitor with a touchscreen "smart" cellphone like HTC and eventually Samsung, LG, Sony Ericsson, and NOKIA. That's something the Feds view very dimly on, and the even more aggressive EU antitrust authorities may take interest, too.
Peter Misek of Canaccord Adams must be wrong then; he just increased his iPhone estimate from 7.2m to 7.9m units for the quarter. That's a 108% increase year-over-year.
But alas, Apple is falling behind. g3pro says so. And everyone else is ignorant.
But, but, but....... specs! That's what consumers want! They go to buy a phone and demand to know what processor it has and how much memory and what screen resolution! Because they know the phone with the highest numbers wins!
Poor Apple. Obliged to randomly sue people because they just can't figure out how to purchase those parts.
People also forget that Apple could get hauled into court by the Feds for possible patent portfolio abuse.
It's not as crazy as it sounds. If you have taken a first-year college course in economics, you may remember the famous US v. United Shoe Machinery Company cases, where the courts determined that United Shoe abused its portfolio on shoemaking machine patents to deliberately shut out competitors. Apple is now approaching the point that they could get sued by the Feds for deliberately using its iPhone patents to shut out any up-and-coming competitor with a touchscreen "smart" cellphone like HTC and eventually Samsung, LG, Sony Ericsson, and NOKIA. That's something the Feds view very dimly on, and the even more aggressive EU antitrust authorities may take interest, too.
"Apple is now approaching the point"? What possible metric could you be applying? Like, you can only bring a certain number of infringement suits before you're declared a patent portfolio abuser, regardless of the merits?
People also forget that Apple could get hauled into court by the Feds for possible patent portfolio abuse.
It's not as crazy as it sounds. If you have taken a first-year college course in economics, you may remember the famous US v. United Shoe Machinery Company cases, where the courts determined that United Shoe abused its portfolio on shoemaking machine patents to deliberately shut out competitors. Apple is now approaching the point that they could get sued by the Feds for deliberately using its iPhone patents to shut out any up-and-coming competitor with a touchscreen "smart" cellphone like HTC and eventually Samsung, LG, Sony Ericsson, and NOKIA. That's something the Feds view very dimly on, and the even more aggressive EU antitrust authorities may take interest, too.
Worth a good chuckle before I go to bed...
One countersuit and one suit, and that's "approaching the point"?
"Apple is now approaching the point"? What possible metric could you be applying? Like, you can only bring a certain number of infringement suits before you're declared a patent portfolio abuser, regardless of the merits?
I'd suggest you look up the US v. United Shoe Machinery Company cases. That was a classic case where United Shoe held a number of critical patents on shoemaking machinery, and they used to patents to effectively shut out competition. Apple's marketshare on "smart" cellphones has reached the point that suits like what they're trying to do against HTC could be construed as violating antitrust laws because Apple effectively wants to prevent competition from Android-based touchscreen cellphones.
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Apple couldn't implement it worth a damn, and they are suffering. So they sue.
So you've decided to stop even pretending to make sense and just give yourself over to pure, unadulterated trolling? Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
So you've decided to stop even pretending to make sense and just give yourself over to pure, unadulterated trolling? Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
I didn't mention better voice call quality because of the dual-microphone. Or the higher resolution screen. Or the option to have a physical keyboard in addition to a software keyboard. Or the upgradable memory. Or the faster processor. etc, etc.
Admit it, the iPhone has fallen behind. Apple's refresh cycle is far too slow to compete with the several other phone makers, so it sues to stop it.
That's the situation. You can disagree and continue in your ignorance for all I care.
I find it amusing you think everyone in here is idiots and couldn't possibly understand corporations.
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I think he is spot on. And, idiots is your characterization.
THIS is just retarded on Apples part.
Why? Because they defend their own patents? If they did not defend them, they would pretty much have to give them up.
Come on guys, without competition, what would we have?
So competition is stealing other people's ideas and using them for free in your own product?
That's the situation. You can disagree and continue in your ignorance for all I care.
As long as you say it then it must be true.
As long as you say it then it must be true.
So, the iPhone has a larger screen size and higher screen resolution than competing phones...?
If you can't compete, then sue. God I love Apple.
Yeah. Apple can't compete. [/sarcasm.]
Go troll somewhere else with your foolishness.
Again: "Google's don't be evil mantra? It's bullshit! They're trying to kill us!" - Steve Jobs on the Google phone platform.
That's the second time you've posted that attribution to affirm that Jobs is "scared shitless." Absent tone, context, emotion, and knowledge of Job's fuller sense of it, isn't that possibly reading more into the words than is available to us ... i.e., a subjective interpretation?
I love the side note. I think most people in America (or at least those on the Internet) have forgotten the difference between lose and loose. It's just so embarrassing.
Just a side note:
Do not lose the debate by using loose arguments. It is a great loss and a lost crusade if we rely too much on loose arguments to be the foundation of the discourse here.
CGC
While we're at it..
There must be an easier way to convince them that their use of lose and loose is incorrect but they're not getting it.
I thought it was a way to lighten and deflect such a heated debate.
The essence of civil discourse is lost when people confuse their perception of right and wrong to be synonymous with what is true and false.
With this incorrect foundation in a forum, the principals consider it a matter of principle to defend their point of view. Every topic becomes a lightning bolt thrown at the adversary. Each topic becomes a crusade to ensure that anyone who believes or thinks otherwise must be vilified .
Alas, whether in the internet or real life, there seems to be no more room for a meeting of minds nor any thought to strive and understand the facts. I wonder sometimes why we even bother to exchange views in forums.
CGC
There must be an easier way to convince them that their use of lose and loose is incorrect but they're not getting it.
True story: My fifth grader came home with a homework assignment just like this one!
And, yet, there are folks posting here ..... oh well.....
I didn't mention better voice call quality because of the dual-microphone. Or the higher resolution screen. Or the option to have a physical keyboard in addition to a software keyboard. Or the upgradable memory. Or the faster processor. etc, etc.
Admit it, the iPhone has fallen behind. Apple's refresh cycle is far too slow to compete with the several other phone makers, so it sues to stop it.
That's the situation. You can disagree and continue in your ignorance for all I care.
Gosh. Drop in hardware parts to hit spec numbers. No way Apple could compete with that. That must be why iPhone sales are going nowhere.
So, the iPhone has a larger screen size and higher screen resolution than competing phones...?
You think Apple didn't have the ability to put a larger screen and higher screen resolution on the iPhone 3GS? If so, why didn't they? Were the display suppliers prejudiced against Apple? Was Apple too stupid to look for larger screens and screens with higher resolutions? What exactly stopped Apple from adding it but allowed its competitors to do so?
Clearly, Apple chose not to increase the size of the screen and not to increase the resolution and not to use OLED (you left that one out!) because in Apple's view, they simply aren't as important to smartphone consumers as other things are. The screen size is large enough for a device that needs to be pocketable. The resolution is high enough for a device that's held a foot or less from your eyes. System responsiveness, touch accuracy, UI layout and navigation (see Edward Tufte), among other things, are more important.
Admit it, the iPhone has fallen behind. Apple's refresh cycle is far too slow to compete with the several other phone makers, so it sues to stop it.
That's the situation. You can disagree and continue in your ignorance for all I care.
If the problem is the refresh cycle, wouldn't it make more sense to increase the refresh cycle? (Have you heard of Occam's razor?) After all, it might take a year for the ITC to act (and injunctions are rarely granted these days according to the NYTimes), and more than 5 years to work through the Delaware courts (including appeals).
Apple has $40B in the bank; it could hire a few more workers and pay a few more factories to crank out a model in Oct and another in Feb. They'd love the business. iPhone has the largest profit margins by far (estimated 58% to second place RIM's estimated 42%, next highest is in the low 30s); it could afford to even sell iPhones cheaper to the carriers or consumers. All these options would likely even be cheaper than suing, and seemingly help Apple to selll many more iPhones.
Won't you even entertain the slightest possibility that you are wrong?
Gosh. Drop in hardware parts to hit spec numbers. No way Apple could compete with that. That must be why iPhone sales are going nowhere.
Peter Misek of Canaccord Adams must be wrong then; he just increased his iPhone estimate from 7.2m to 7.9m units for the quarter. That's a 108% increase year-over-year.
But alas, Apple is falling behind. g3pro says so. And everyone else is ignorant.
It's not as crazy as it sounds. If you have taken a first-year college course in economics, you may remember the famous US v. United Shoe Machinery Company cases, where the courts determined that United Shoe abused its portfolio on shoemaking machine patents to deliberately shut out competitors. Apple is now approaching the point that they could get sued by the Feds for deliberately using its iPhone patents to shut out any up-and-coming competitor with a touchscreen "smart" cellphone like HTC and eventually Samsung, LG, Sony Ericsson, and NOKIA. That's something the Feds view very dimly on, and the even more aggressive EU antitrust authorities may take interest, too.
Peter Misek of Canaccord Adams must be wrong then; he just increased his iPhone estimate from 7.2m to 7.9m units for the quarter. That's a 108% increase year-over-year.
But alas, Apple is falling behind. g3pro says so. And everyone else is ignorant.
But, but, but....... specs! That's what consumers want! They go to buy a phone and demand to know what processor it has and how much memory and what screen resolution! Because they know the phone with the highest numbers wins!
Poor Apple. Obliged to randomly sue people because they just can't figure out how to purchase those parts.
People also forget that Apple could get hauled into court by the Feds for possible patent portfolio abuse.
It's not as crazy as it sounds. If you have taken a first-year college course in economics, you may remember the famous US v. United Shoe Machinery Company cases, where the courts determined that United Shoe abused its portfolio on shoemaking machine patents to deliberately shut out competitors. Apple is now approaching the point that they could get sued by the Feds for deliberately using its iPhone patents to shut out any up-and-coming competitor with a touchscreen "smart" cellphone like HTC and eventually Samsung, LG, Sony Ericsson, and NOKIA. That's something the Feds view very dimly on, and the even more aggressive EU antitrust authorities may take interest, too.
"Apple is now approaching the point"? What possible metric could you be applying? Like, you can only bring a certain number of infringement suits before you're declared a patent portfolio abuser, regardless of the merits?
People also forget that Apple could get hauled into court by the Feds for possible patent portfolio abuse.
It's not as crazy as it sounds. If you have taken a first-year college course in economics, you may remember the famous US v. United Shoe Machinery Company cases, where the courts determined that United Shoe abused its portfolio on shoemaking machine patents to deliberately shut out competitors. Apple is now approaching the point that they could get sued by the Feds for deliberately using its iPhone patents to shut out any up-and-coming competitor with a touchscreen "smart" cellphone like HTC and eventually Samsung, LG, Sony Ericsson, and NOKIA. That's something the Feds view very dimly on, and the even more aggressive EU antitrust authorities may take interest, too.
Worth a good chuckle before I go to bed...
One countersuit and one suit, and that's "approaching the point"?
"Apple is now approaching the point"? What possible metric could you be applying? Like, you can only bring a certain number of infringement suits before you're declared a patent portfolio abuser, regardless of the merits?
I'd suggest you look up the US v. United Shoe Machinery Company cases. That was a classic case where United Shoe held a number of critical patents on shoemaking machinery, and they used to patents to effectively shut out competition. Apple's marketshare on "smart" cellphones has reached the point that suits like what they're trying to do against HTC could be construed as violating antitrust laws because Apple effectively wants to prevent competition from Android-based touchscreen cellphones.