Once I buy a device with the browser installed, it is MY browser. Do you feel that your TV belongs to Best Buy or Samsung? Do you believe that they have any say in which DVDs you watch on it?
If no, what is the difference?
And guess what. you don't have to buy your songs or videos off iTunes SO nobody is telling what you can and can not watch on it.
It's your device, but the browser on the device is not yours. The browser on your desktop IS NOT YOURS. When you go and code your own browser, then it will be yours.
First you complain about all the "junk" on the App store.
Then you complain about Apple removing some of the worst offenders (sexual content.)
Then you scream about censorship, so Apple creates a category for it, and reinstates some unfortunate casualties.
You continue to bemoan the "junk" on the App store.
Apple removes some of it in an effort to clean it up.
You then scream about censorship.
Some of you people must be completely batsh*t insane. You have ZERO cause to complain about the App Store, in part because it's the most successful thing in tech since the transistor, and in part because the one time Apple actually bends over and addresses these issues you scream bloody murder.
Disgusting. I wish each of the guilty parties nothing more than being confined to a netbook running Windows XP. That should be punishment enough.
Apple's worst enemy are those that are trying to "save" them.
First people brag about having 150,000 apps.
Then people chortle when entire categories are identified as worthless.
Then people cheer when thousands of apps are removed at once, based upon reasons which could have (should have?) precluded them being sold in the first place.
Some of you people must be completely batshit insane. That's why I love it here so much.
And BTW, I agree with you completely that "Apple's worst enemy are those that are trying to 'save' them."
Then people chortle when entire categories are identified as worthless.
Then people cheer when thousands of apps are removed at once, based upon reasons which could have (should have?) precluded them being sold in the first place.
Some of you people must be completely batshit insane.
you are making the assumption that those are all the SAME people.
I wish each of the guilty parties nothing more than being confined to a netbook running Windows XP. That should be punishment enough.
Apple's worst enemy are those that are trying to "save" them.
Hey - but what about something like this Dell Inspiron Mini 10 running XP?
It's the same price as an iPad. If the two were side by side, and I were asked to pick one, I'm not sure what I would do. Its got a digital TV tuner, a webcam, a 16:9 screen, a 32 gig SSD, etc. And the availability of full software programs it can handle dwarfs the number of apps available. And the software can be downloaded from any number of places, rather than being available only from a company who is lately acting like your drunk Uncle Ernie.
I wonder what the maximum RAM would be? It was also available with large harddrives, but I chose the SSD for purposes of price and feature comparison with the iPad. Besides, with wireless n, it can access your external mega-drives directly. There's no need for "syncing", although there's plenty of software out there which does it if that is what you want.
So I don't know if I'd pick the Dell or I'd pick an iPad if the two were my only choices.
Hey - but what about something like this Dell Inspiron Mini 10 running XP?
It's the same price as an iPad. If the two were side by side, and I were asked to pick one, I'm not sure what I would do. Its got a digital TV tuner, a webcam, a 16:9 screen, a 32 gig SSD, etc. And the availability of full software programs it can handle dwarfs the number of apps available. And the software can be downloaded from any number of places, rather than being available only from a company who is lately acting like your drunk Uncle Ernie.
I wonder what the maximum RAM would be? It was also available with large harddrives, but I chose the SSD for purposes of price and feature comparison with the iPad. Besides, with wireless n, it can access your external mega-drives directly. There's no need for "syncing", although there's plenty of software out there which does it if that is what you want.
So I don't know if I'd pick the Dell or I'd pick an iPad if the two were my only choices.
the whole point of an iPad is it ISN'T a crappy netbook that gives the impression it can do more than it can. What the iPad will do is everything it's said to be able to do. Why is that hard to understand. You're still complaining and it's not going to get you anywhere. Nobody is stopping you from buying a Dell!
Once I buy a device with the browser installed, it is MY browser. Do you feel that your TV belongs to Best Buy or Samsung? Do you believe that they have any say in which DVDs you watch on it?
If no, what is the difference?
Most companies are pretty clear about what their devices can and can't do, and Apple's attitudes aren't a secret. If Apple's product doesn't do what you want, there are plenty of other companies willing to take your money.
Hey - but what about something like this Dell Inspiron Mini 10 running XP?
Or how do you think this Dell Inspiron 11Z does compared to the iPad models with 3G? It's about a hundred bucks cheaper than the iPad, and it has GPS, 11 inch widescreen HD, n wireless/Wimx combo, 4 gigs of RAM, Win7, etc.
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English, with Belkin Easy Transfer CableMicrosoft® Works 9
4GB,DDR2,800MHZ,1 DIMM
Intel®5150 Wimx/ Wifi Combo card
ATT Internal Mobile Broadband Card with GPS (5540)
Integrated 1.3M Pixel Webcam
11.6" High Definition WLED Display (1366x768)
56WHr Lithium-Ion Battery (6-cell)
Intel® GS45 Integrated Graphics
250GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
The more I look at these little netbooks, the more they seem to be cool little devices. So did they used to really suck?
I have to wonder about the battery life of this one though - it has a regular hard drive rather than an SSD. I looked for that option, and I didn't see it, but it might be available. Dunno. But the $100.00 dollar savings could be used for a spare battery and an external charger, so you'd have akin to unlimited battery life, at all times, with no plugging in of the actual device. Yeah - the more I look into these netbooks, the better they seem.
Or how do you think this Dell Inspiron 11Z does compared to the iPad models with 3G? It's about a hundred bucks cheaper than the iPad, and it has GPS, n wireless/Wimx combo, 4 gigs of RAM, Win7, etc.
Censorship is blocking ideas not blocking products or articles published as a product.
Dictionaries are available for free all over the internets.
Ironically, when I misspelled "avialable" up above, the first choice in the spell-checker was "avoidable". Yes, dictionaries are also avoidable all over the internet.
Apple is famous for ignoring what people want. They are criticized for being heavy-handed in this regard.
If that were true then they would have folded a long time ago. Perhaps you need to redefine the word people to mean the market they cater to, not the market you want them to cater to.
Go to Android, or Cydia, or whatever else that gets you going. You truly will not be missed. You'll have so much independent choices on those marketplaces. Just imagine all the hundreds of thousands of different fart, boob, porn, virus, offensive crap you'll have to sort through to find what your looking for. Welcome to the red-light district of Bangkok.
Am I correct that you have never visited either of those app stores? Because your perception is flawed.
Google, for example, does not make you wade though anything to find what you are looking for in an Android app. That's kind of what Google is all about.
Giving up rights is a lousy trade-off for the utility of owning an iDevice. That's a primary reason why I am interested in getting an Andorid phone to replace my iPhone.
I am, in a sense, not defending what Apple did, but in a sense I am, because ultimately it is Apple's product to do with as they please. They will never have enough of a market share to run into anti-trust issues like MS with Windows.
All I am saying is that NONE of this is surprising given Apple's history, and people should not complain.
About the only valid complaint people have is that Apple "approved" the product in the first place, and so Apple should live with the consequences of their decision, but that is a different argument that people are making.
Giving up rights is a lousy trade only if you think you gave up more than you got. Every device has its trade offs.
Bad analogy. It is instead more akin to a no shoes, no service policy for people who order pizza delivery.
fine, but the point is still valid. If a take out does not want to serve a shoeless customer, that is their right, as long as they do not serve ANY shoeless people.
Hey - but what about something like this Dell Inspiron Mini 10 running XP?
It's the same price as an iPad. If the two were side by side, and I were asked to pick one, I'm not sure what I would do. Its got a digital TV tuner, a webcam, a 16:9 screen, a 32 gig SSD, etc. And the availability of full software programs it can handle dwarfs the number of apps available. And the software can be downloaded from any number of places, rather than being available only from a company who is lately acting like your drunk Uncle Ernie.
I wonder what the maximum RAM would be? It was also available with large harddrives, but I chose the SSD for purposes of price and feature comparison with the iPad. Besides, with wireless n, it can access your external mega-drives directly. There's no need for "syncing", although there's plenty of software out there which does it if that is what you want.
So I don't know if I'd pick the Dell or I'd pick an iPad if the two were my only choices.
I responded that I LOVE my Dell Mini 9 with XP for short travel. It is not a replacement for the MBP, but it is PERFECT for a 2-3 day conference/business trip.
If they were to open the OS and their products, they would wind up like MS - having to support and deal with 100s of different hardware companies, and potential combinations, and sloppy coders causing the OS to crash.
Do Macs have this problem given the "open OS" you mention? I know that the whole damn thing crashes unexpectedly if you try to view certain websites, but is that a problem in lots of other instances too?
And BTW, crashing of the whole OS hasn't been a noticeable problem for a decade or so with Windows. Whatever its liabilities, stability has been fine.
Fer chrissakes. This stuff isn't even up for dispute.
No, it's not, but neither is quoting the term [I]censorship[/I ]and then giving a definition to the word censor. Seriously? who did you think you were going to fool with that argument?
cen?sor?ship |ˈsensərˌ sh ip|
noun
? the practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts : details of the visit were subject to military censorship.
the whole point of an iPad is it ISN'T a crappy netbook that gives the impression it can do more than it can. What the iPad will do is everything it's said to be able to do. Why is that hard to understand. You're still complaining and it's not going to get you anywhere. Nobody is stopping you from buying a Dell!
With all due respect, netbooks were not marketed as Desktop replacement, nor did Dell or any other company say that they were.
Consumers, and probably some Apple types, slammed them for things they were never designed to do. On some of the boards, this being one of them, I have seen people complain that they could not work on one for 8 hours on a netbook, that they can't run photoshop, etc.
That is like complaining that a Lexus is a completely crappy car because it can't race in the Indy 500.
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Once I buy a device with the browser installed, it is MY browser. Do you feel that your TV belongs to Best Buy or Samsung? Do you believe that they have any say in which DVDs you watch on it?
If no, what is the difference?
And guess what. you don't have to buy your songs or videos off iTunes SO nobody is telling what you can and can not watch on it.
It's your device, but the browser on the device is not yours. The browser on your desktop IS NOT YOURS. When you go and code your own browser, then it will be yours.
First you complain about all the "junk" on the App store.
Then you complain about Apple removing some of the worst offenders (sexual content.)
Then you scream about censorship, so Apple creates a category for it, and reinstates some unfortunate casualties.
You continue to bemoan the "junk" on the App store.
Apple removes some of it in an effort to clean it up.
You then scream about censorship.
Some of you people must be completely batsh*t insane. You have ZERO cause to complain about the App Store, in part because it's the most successful thing in tech since the transistor, and in part because the one time Apple actually bends over and addresses these issues you scream bloody murder.
Disgusting. I wish each of the guilty parties nothing more than being confined to a netbook running Windows XP. That should be punishment enough.
Apple's worst enemy are those that are trying to "save" them.
First people brag about having 150,000 apps.
Then people chortle when entire categories are identified as worthless.
Then people cheer when thousands of apps are removed at once, based upon reasons which could have (should have?) precluded them being sold in the first place.
Some of you people must be completely batshit insane. That's why I love it here so much.
And BTW, I agree with you completely that "Apple's worst enemy are those that are trying to 'save' them."
First people brag about having 150,000 apps.
Then people chortle when entire categories are identified as worthless.
Then people cheer when thousands of apps are removed at once, based upon reasons which could have (should have?) precluded them being sold in the first place.
Some of you people must be completely batshit insane.
you are making the assumption that those are all the SAME people.
I wish each of the guilty parties nothing more than being confined to a netbook running Windows XP. That should be punishment enough.
Apple's worst enemy are those that are trying to "save" them.
Hey - but what about something like this Dell Inspiron Mini 10 running XP?
It's the same price as an iPad. If the two were side by side, and I were asked to pick one, I'm not sure what I would do. Its got a digital TV tuner, a webcam, a 16:9 screen, a 32 gig SSD, etc. And the availability of full software programs it can handle dwarfs the number of apps available. And the software can be downloaded from any number of places, rather than being available only from a company who is lately acting like your drunk Uncle Ernie.
Dell Inspiron Mini 10:
Intel®Atom®Processor Z530 (1.6GHz/533MHz FSB/512K Cache)
10.1" Widescreen Display (1024x600)
Genuine Windows® XP Home Edition SP3
Microsoft Works 9
Dell Wireless 1520 802.11n Half Mini-Card
Bluetooth 2.1 module with EDR (BLTH10)
32GB Solid State Drive
56WHr Lithium-Ion Battery (6-cell)
Intel®Graphics Media Accelerator 500
1GB DDR2 SDRAM
Dell Internal Digital TV Receiver (ATSC)
Integrated 1.3M Pixel Webcam
I wonder what the maximum RAM would be? It was also available with large harddrives, but I chose the SSD for purposes of price and feature comparison with the iPad. Besides, with wireless n, it can access your external mega-drives directly. There's no need for "syncing", although there's plenty of software out there which does it if that is what you want.
So I don't know if I'd pick the Dell or I'd pick an iPad if the two were my only choices.
Hey - but what about something like this Dell Inspiron Mini 10 running XP?
It's the same price as an iPad. If the two were side by side, and I were asked to pick one, I'm not sure what I would do. Its got a digital TV tuner, a webcam, a 16:9 screen, a 32 gig SSD, etc. And the availability of full software programs it can handle dwarfs the number of apps available. And the software can be downloaded from any number of places, rather than being available only from a company who is lately acting like your drunk Uncle Ernie.
Dell Inspiron Mini 10:
Intel®Atom®Processor Z530 (1.6GHz/533MHz FSB/512K Cache)
10.1" Widescreen Display (1024x600)
Genuine Windows® XP Home Edition SP3
Microsoft Works 9
Dell Wireless 1520 802.11n Half Mini-Card
Bluetooth 2.1 module with EDR (BLTH10)
32GB Solid State Drive
56WHr Lithium-Ion Battery (6-cell)
Intel®Graphics Media Accelerator 500
1GB DDR2 SDRAM
Dell Internal Digital TV Receiver (ATSC)
Integrated 1.3M Pixel Webcam
I wonder what the maximum RAM would be? It was also available with large harddrives, but I chose the SSD for purposes of price and feature comparison with the iPad. Besides, with wireless n, it can access your external mega-drives directly. There's no need for "syncing", although there's plenty of software out there which does it if that is what you want.
So I don't know if I'd pick the Dell or I'd pick an iPad if the two were my only choices.
the whole point of an iPad is it ISN'T a crappy netbook that gives the impression it can do more than it can. What the iPad will do is everything it's said to be able to do. Why is that hard to understand. You're still complaining and it's not going to get you anywhere. Nobody is stopping you from buying a Dell!
Once I buy a device with the browser installed, it is MY browser. Do you feel that your TV belongs to Best Buy or Samsung? Do you believe that they have any say in which DVDs you watch on it?
If no, what is the difference?
Most companies are pretty clear about what their devices can and can't do, and Apple's attitudes aren't a secret. If Apple's product doesn't do what you want, there are plenty of other companies willing to take your money.
Hey - but what about something like this Dell Inspiron Mini 10 running XP?
Or how do you think this Dell Inspiron 11Z does compared to the iPad models with 3G? It's about a hundred bucks cheaper than the iPad, and it has GPS, 11 inch widescreen HD, n wireless/Wimx combo, 4 gigs of RAM, Win7, etc.
Intel® Pentium™ SU4100 (1.3GHz/800MHz FSB/2MB cache)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English, with Belkin Easy Transfer CableMicrosoft® Works 9
4GB,DDR2,800MHZ,1 DIMM
Intel®5150 Wimx/ Wifi Combo card
ATT Internal Mobile Broadband Card with GPS (5540)
Integrated 1.3M Pixel Webcam
11.6" High Definition WLED Display (1366x768)
56WHr Lithium-Ion Battery (6-cell)
Intel® GS45 Integrated Graphics
250GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
The more I look at these little netbooks, the more they seem to be cool little devices. So did they used to really suck?
I have to wonder about the battery life of this one though - it has a regular hard drive rather than an SSD. I looked for that option, and I didn't see it, but it might be available. Dunno. But the $100.00 dollar savings could be used for a spare battery and an external charger, so you'd have akin to unlimited battery life, at all times, with no plugging in of the actual device. Yeah - the more I look into these netbooks, the better they seem.
Or how do you think this Dell Inspiron 11Z does compared to the iPad models with 3G? It's about a hundred bucks cheaper than the iPad, and it has GPS, n wireless/Wimx combo, 4 gigs of RAM, Win7, etc.
Intel® Pentium? SU4100 (1.3GHz/800MHz FSB/2MB cache)
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English, with Belkin Easy Transfer CableMicrosoft® Works 9
4GB,DDR2,800MHZ,1 DIMM
Intel®5150 Wimx/ Wifi Combo card
ATT Internal Mobile Broadband Card with GPS (5540)
Integrated 1.3M Pixel Webcam
11.6" High Definition WLED Display (1366x768)
56WHr Lithium-Ion Battery (6-cell)
Intel® GS45 Integrated Graphics
250GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
The more I look at these little netbooks, the more they seem to be cool little devices. So did they used to really suck?
you lost me at Windows
Censorship is blocking ideas not blocking products or articles published as a product.
Dictionaries are available for free all over the internets.
Ironically, when I misspelled "avialable" up above, the first choice in the spell-checker was "avoidable". Yes, dictionaries are also avoidable all over the internet.
How can iphone users even speak up about this? Would Apple even care?
Apple is famous for ignoring what people want. They are criticized for being heavy-handed in this regard.
Apple is famous for ignoring what people want. They are criticized for being heavy-handed in this regard.
If that were true then they would have folded a long time ago. Perhaps you need to redefine the word people to mean the market they cater to, not the market you want them to cater to.
Go to Android, or Cydia, or whatever else that gets you going. You truly will not be missed. You'll have so much independent choices on those marketplaces. Just imagine all the hundreds of thousands of different fart, boob, porn, virus, offensive crap you'll have to sort through to find what your looking for. Welcome to the red-light district of Bangkok.
Am I correct that you have never visited either of those app stores? Because your perception is flawed.
Google, for example, does not make you wade though anything to find what you are looking for in an Android app. That's kind of what Google is all about.
To be more precise, censorship is an official act of suppression.
Main Entry: censor
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): cen·sored; cen·sor·ing \\ˈsen(t)-sə-riŋ, ˈsen(t)s-riŋ\\
Date: 1882
: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable <censor the news>;
also: to suppress or delete as objectionable <censor out indecent passages>
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censor
Fer chrissakes. This stuff isn't even up for dispute.
Giving up rights is a lousy trade-off for the utility of owning an iDevice. That's a primary reason why I am interested in getting an Andorid phone to replace my iPhone.
I am, in a sense, not defending what Apple did, but in a sense I am, because ultimately it is Apple's product to do with as they please. They will never have enough of a market share to run into anti-trust issues like MS with Windows.
All I am saying is that NONE of this is surprising given Apple's history, and people should not complain.
About the only valid complaint people have is that Apple "approved" the product in the first place, and so Apple should live with the consequences of their decision, but that is a different argument that people are making.
Giving up rights is a lousy trade only if you think you gave up more than you got. Every device has its trade offs.
Bad analogy. It is instead more akin to a no shoes, no service policy for people who order pizza delivery.
fine, but the point is still valid. If a take out does not want to serve a shoeless customer, that is their right, as long as they do not serve ANY shoeless people.
Hey - but what about something like this Dell Inspiron Mini 10 running XP?
It's the same price as an iPad. If the two were side by side, and I were asked to pick one, I'm not sure what I would do. Its got a digital TV tuner, a webcam, a 16:9 screen, a 32 gig SSD, etc. And the availability of full software programs it can handle dwarfs the number of apps available. And the software can be downloaded from any number of places, rather than being available only from a company who is lately acting like your drunk Uncle Ernie.
Dell Inspiron Mini 10:
Intel®Atom®Processor Z530 (1.6GHz/533MHz FSB/512K Cache)
10.1" Widescreen Display (1024x600)
Genuine Windows® XP Home Edition SP3
Microsoft Works 9
Dell Wireless 1520 802.11n Half Mini-Card
Bluetooth 2.1 module with EDR (BLTH10)
32GB Solid State Drive
56WHr Lithium-Ion Battery (6-cell)
Intel®Graphics Media Accelerator 500
1GB DDR2 SDRAM
Dell Internal Digital TV Receiver (ATSC)
Integrated 1.3M Pixel Webcam
I wonder what the maximum RAM would be? It was also available with large harddrives, but I chose the SSD for purposes of price and feature comparison with the iPad. Besides, with wireless n, it can access your external mega-drives directly. There's no need for "syncing", although there's plenty of software out there which does it if that is what you want.
So I don't know if I'd pick the Dell or I'd pick an iPad if the two were my only choices.
I responded that I LOVE my Dell Mini 9 with XP for short travel. It is not a replacement for the MBP, but it is PERFECT for a 2-3 day conference/business trip.
If they were to open the OS and their products, they would wind up like MS - having to support and deal with 100s of different hardware companies, and potential combinations, and sloppy coders causing the OS to crash.
Do Macs have this problem given the "open OS" you mention? I know that the whole damn thing crashes unexpectedly if you try to view certain websites, but is that a problem in lots of other instances too?
And BTW, crashing of the whole OS hasn't been a noticeable problem for a decade or so with Windows. Whatever its liabilities, stability has been fine.
Main Entry: censor
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): cen·sored; cen·sor·ing \\ˈsen(t)-sə-riŋ, ˈsen(t)s-riŋ\\
Date: 1882
: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable <censor the news>;
also: to suppress or delete as objectionable <censor out indecent passages>
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censor
Fer chrissakes. This stuff isn't even up for dispute.
No, it's not, but neither is quoting the term [I]censorship[/I ]and then giving a definition to the word censor. Seriously? who did you think you were going to fool with that argument?
the whole point of an iPad is it ISN'T a crappy netbook that gives the impression it can do more than it can. What the iPad will do is everything it's said to be able to do. Why is that hard to understand. You're still complaining and it's not going to get you anywhere. Nobody is stopping you from buying a Dell!
With all due respect, netbooks were not marketed as Desktop replacement, nor did Dell or any other company say that they were.
Consumers, and probably some Apple types, slammed them for things they were never designed to do. On some of the boards, this being one of them, I have seen people complain that they could not work on one for 8 hours on a netbook, that they can't run photoshop, etc.
That is like complaining that a Lexus is a completely crappy car because it can't race in the Indy 500.
If they are [cherry picking their customers], that's probably a good thing.
Not for the rest of us it's not!