No, I don't. But I also don't think FairPlay-protected music was easy to listen to anywhere but on a Mac or an iPod, and that didn't stop iTunes from growing to become the dominant online music retailer before the protection began to be phased out.
At least you could rip music to a cd at the highest quality and re import it DRM free. Of course the video was such low quality to begin with it was not that worthwhile although I have done it just for fun. I bet it won't take too long before someone hacks the Apple ePub once it comes out. I have already seen some hacks for Adobe's ePub DRM along with the take down notices.
I have to agree that after installing Flash 10.1 Beta I did see a pretty nice improvement in CPU load and fan speeds (which means my macbook gets to live longer on a single charge). I use FF as my default, but gotta give it to safari - HTML 5 is amazing on it in terms of CPU load and fan spin (only about 3000 rpm even on 720p full screen)
I run jailbroken iPod and have iMobileCinema on it. It's not quite flash but it does run some videos. I would say that it uses about 1.5 - 1.8 amount of battery of quick time vids, getting progressively worse the longer the video is. The back of the device became noticeably hot after about 20 minutes of video playback (takes about 30-35 for quicktime).
I think I would be happy both with a much improved flash and with HTML 5 that is actually supported by FireFox. Whichever comes first I think would be a winner in my book. My money is on html5.
How could this happen? NO ONE, mention the Main Key point.
FLASH != Video.
FFS, just saying Video acceleration doesn't mean anythnig. Most of the time you will have Flash based advert running in the background draining your CPU resources without you even noticing.
If they put out an article like that, why not name is as Software Decoder for H.264 is slower then HW decoder?
Microsoft is doing Silverlight and Apple is doing html5. Who else is there? HP?
HP is either desperate or outright stupid or both for pushing flash on their crapy slatePC. Microsoft has made it clear that Silverlight and XNA are the future APIs for Windows portable devices yet HP is sold on flash for their tabletPC. I think HP is so desperate for a UI and apps, they had to code a book reader in flash for the slatePC. What a disaster...
Well, as many of the regulars to these forums will no doubt know, I disagree with a lot of the il-informed crap being spouted here. It's irrelevant however, I have no intention to debate any of it because it won't change anything. I think some of you are here for the purpose of debating specifically, and aren't interested in information.
I do find it curious though, that the same people keep coming back with the same lack of information time and time again, reiterating their worn out points to the same old tired and worn out debate, again and again and agin.
Yes I realize I have been guilty as well. Still, am I the only one here who feels like AI just posts these things to keep this debate going and add to their click through rate?
Why don't they just post and article that says HTML5 GOOD! FLASH BAD! OR IS IT? THE DEBATE RAGES ON! and repost it everyday? Then they could combine this endless debate into one gigantic thread.
At least that would keep people from having to repost the same arguments and points over and over. But then I guess they probably don't want people posting the same arguments over and over, some of them make too much sense and this debate might actually get somewhere. Which of-course would defeat the purpose. I don't know maybe its just me.
When people point out that the iPhone is a closed system, the general response is "if you don't like it, leave". I think the same attitude should apply to flash - if you don't like it on your Mac, just uninstall it - no one is forcing you to have it on your machine. Those of us who want it, can have it and those who don't (because Steve Jobs doesn't like it, you hate the ads, it is a closed system etc) don't have to use it. Done and done.
As a dual OS user, I tried the HTML 5 beta for a bit on YT, hoping I would get better performance on my Mac (a Mini with a 1.83 C2D, GMA 950 and SL), as full-screen Flash just kills it, but whatever compression Google uses for the HTML 5 conversion sucks. Quality was much worse, and the HTML 5 player was more problematic than the Flash player in Chrome. IIRC, it had problems with fullscreen. I tried HTML 5 on my netbook too, running hoping to get better fullscreen support of the Atom CPU, but it didn't make much difference.
Now on my new PC, with a Radeon HD 5770, that supports Flash acceleration, Flash videos are great, even at 1080p, and the GPU barely breaks a sweat, although the CPU might be able to handle it (Core i5-750) without GPU acceleration.
I use a custom hosts file on my machines to block ads, so I don't care about ads (banners or Flash) anymore, but until when at some point HTML 5 does become something, I'll take my Flash acceleration, while Apple and Adobe do a lot of chest thumping.
While the test found that HTML5 is significantly more efficient than Flash on the Mac when running the Safari Web browser, those same advantages do not exist on other Mac browsers, or in Windows.
So now both windows and flash are inefficient. I have to say I really like safari 4.
When people point out that the iPhone is a closed system, the general response is "if you don't like it, leave". I think the same attitude should apply to flash - if you don't like it on your Mac, just uninstall it - no one is forcing you to have it on your machine. Those of us who want it, can have it and those who don't (because Steve Jobs doesn't like it, you hate the ads, it is a closed system etc) don't have to use it. Done and done.
With all the gnashing of teeth that you hear on the internet regarding the iphone not having flash, it was only recently that I realized that even Android DOESNT have flash!
All that exists is a video of an Adobe demo (where the scrolling is painfully slow and subpar) and a promise to bring it out later in the year...
The only difference between the iphone and android regd. flash is that Apple has decided Flash is bad for the open internet. Hence, they have decided to use their power for the good of the internet, and nudge people towards getting rid of it.
Kinda like how they helped the world move on from crappy floppy disks in the past.
Looks like Flash is here to stay. There are 5 million Flash developers....did I say 5 MILLION!!
I think we have narrowed the problem to the Safari browser. Adobe could easily say that Safari is a third-rate application and the Apple programmers are lazy. Turn it all around on Mr. Jobs. I'm an Apple fanboy; however Apple is wrong about Flash. And now, with the penetration of Flash with CS5 into tha app store and all other mobile devices and embedded Flash used as menus for Vizio, Samsung, Dell and Sling Media and more......Apple has lost the Flash battle. Anyone who argues that 5 MILLION developers are moving to HTML 5 which is not even close to being standardized and lacks any real IDE is an idiot and in denial. Flash's penetration on the web is too deep even for the mighty Apple. The Flash haters can start consoling one another now.
Steve Jobs is placing Apple's agenda above the interests of the people. It's that simple.
Clearly Apple could, if it wished, make Flash run superbly on the Mac, as it does on the PC. But Jobs would rather penalize Apple users to achieve corporate business aims. God forbid Apple look to the interests of the user and assist the playback of ubiquitous Flash content.
Democrats like Jobs are the biggest business hypocrites of all time. Actually democrats are becoming synonymous for hypocrisy.
My old Intel Mac burns hot with the fan going crazy because of no other reason than Jobs insolence. He could play nice with Adobe but he refuses.
I own three Macs and zero PCs. But that will change if this petulance and stupidity continues. Apple is being a bully, far worse than IBM or MS in previous years.
Apple is becoming everything the "Think Different" crowd eschewed. They are becoming the odious big brother.
You flash blockers are so superior: Block advertising. Stick it to the man.
And if your efforts where universalized (like that would ever happen) the revenue model of the web would dissolve, creating a world of shovelware from India and China.
And you are the evangelists trying to push this?
You are Satan....fortunately a very ignorant strain.
Well, as many of the regulars to these forums will no doubt know, I disagree with a lot of the il-informed crap being spouted here. It's irrelevant however, I have no intention to debate any of it because it won't change anything. I think some of you are here for the purpose of debating specifically, and aren't interested in information.
I do find it curious though, that the same people keep coming back with the same lack of information time and time again, reiterating their worn out points to the same old tired and worn out debate, again and again and agin.
Yes I realize I have been guilty as well. Still, am I the only one here who feels like AI just posts these things to keep this debate going and add to their click through rate?
Why don't they just post and article that says HTML5 GOOD! FLASH BAD! OR IS IT? THE DEBATE RAGES ON! and repost it everyday? Then they could combine this endless debate into one gigantic thread.
At least that would keep people from having to repost the same arguments and points over and over. But then I guess they probably don't want people posting the same arguments over and over, some of them make too much sense and this debate might actually get somewhere. Which of-course would defeat the purpose. I don't know maybe its just me.
Steve Jobs is placing Apple's agenda above the interests of the people. It's that simple.
Clearly Apple could, if it wished, make Flash run superbly on the Mac, as it does on the PC. But Jobs would rather penalize Apple users to achieve corporate business aims. God forbid Apple look to the interests of the user and assist the playback of ubiquitous Flash content.
Before you starting saying something even MORE silly... Wanna try again on who owns, markets and develops the source code to Flash? Hint it's NOT Apple and they aren't in the business of fixing the shoddy source code from a 3rd party developers... Now if you're simply asking WHY Apple doesn't upend its entire OS to allow a single 3rd developer to utilize the video card GPU without following the proper Apple Developer Outlined methods all because said developer is stuck on how to fix their crapware properly... Yea Microsoft will usually do that, Apple wont... and as a result each OS speaks for itself when it comes to stability and security. How do you think wanna-be hackers barely out of grade school can churn out key loggers, spyware and viruses just hours after one of Microsoft's 'security fixes'?
When people point out that the iPhone is a closed system, the general response is "if you don't like it, leave". I think the same attitude should apply to flash - if you don't like it on your Mac, just uninstall it - no one is forcing you to have it on your machine. Those of us who want it, can have it and those who don't (because Steve Jobs doesn't like it, you hate the ads, it is a closed system etc) don't have to use it. Done and done.
Sure, I as a consumer can just leave a Flash web site, and I do. And I have click2flash on. But it just feels hard for those who like simple, openly agreed web standards to just leave it there, especially with the history of MS corrupting the web and java etc. It feels like things are only now getting to be where they should have been 10 years ago.
If people are informed, then, sure, they should be able to make up their own mind about what kind of website they want. If photographers and car dealerships want blingy Flash sites, then let 'em. But they need to know it is poor practice, a poor solution, that it has consequences and that technology has moved on.
It's like when I got my first *real* desktop video editing system in about 1999/2000. I got a new G4 PowerMac, but I couldn't afford a couple of thousand+ more to go the traditional route and get an extra, proprietary video card with editing suite. One dealer tried to sell me on the card, that's all he knew -- "you want to do video, you got to have an editing suite, period." I did a little research (what was available at the time) and the next dealer confirmed, and said, "it's a fast computer, and it comes with firewire, what's the problem? It doesn't have to be complicated anymore."
It's like tourists who still think you need Travellers Checks. They must like finding an AE office, standing there, pulling out their passport and doing all the counter-signing crap. Or, maybe they just like pulling out a wad of flashy looking paper with nice designs all over it. Me, I just walk up to an ATM anywhere in the world and pop in the debit card from my home banking account. Safer, no commission and better exchange rates to boot. Standards. Who needs 'em, eh?
No skin off my nose, I guess. But it feels like a whole dumbing down (read about the way some Facebook users couldn't login in last month) that really does affect the rest of us; it feels like it just perpetuates stuff that just needs to die off. "Interactivity" has become this goal in and of itself, but the real user experience and value of content that prop the whole thing up have been obscured under layers and layers of crap.
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No, I don't. But I also don't think FairPlay-protected music was easy to listen to anywhere but on a Mac or an iPod, and that didn't stop iTunes from growing to become the dominant online music retailer before the protection began to be phased out.
At least you could rip music to a cd at the highest quality and re import it DRM free. Of course the video was such low quality to begin with it was not that worthwhile although I have done it just for fun. I bet it won't take too long before someone hacks the Apple ePub once it comes out. I have already seen some hacks for Adobe's ePub DRM along with the take down notices.
I run jailbroken iPod and have iMobileCinema on it. It's not quite flash but it does run some videos. I would say that it uses about 1.5 - 1.8 amount of battery of quick time vids, getting progressively worse the longer the video is. The back of the device became noticeably hot after about 20 minutes of video playback (takes about 30-35 for quicktime).
I think I would be happy both with a much improved flash and with HTML 5 that is actually supported by FireFox. Whichever comes first I think would be a winner in my book. My money is on html5.
FLASH != Video.
FFS, just saying Video acceleration doesn't mean anythnig. Most of the time you will have Flash based advert running in the background draining your CPU resources without you even noticing.
If they put out an article like that, why not name is as Software Decoder for H.264 is slower then HW decoder?
HP is either desperate or outright stupid or both for pushing flash on their crapy slatePC. Microsoft has made it clear that Silverlight and XNA are the future APIs for Windows portable devices yet HP is sold on flash for their tabletPC. I think HP is so desperate for a UI and apps, they had to code a book reader in flash for the slatePC. What a disaster...
Time will tell.
I do find it curious though, that the same people keep coming back with the same lack of information time and time again, reiterating their worn out points to the same old tired and worn out debate, again and again and agin.
Yes I realize I have been guilty as well. Still, am I the only one here who feels like AI just posts these things to keep this debate going and add to their click through rate?
Why don't they just post and article that says HTML5 GOOD! FLASH BAD! OR IS IT? THE DEBATE RAGES ON! and repost it everyday? Then they could combine this endless debate into one gigantic thread.
At least that would keep people from having to repost the same arguments and points over and over. But then I guess they probably don't want people posting the same arguments over and over, some of them make too much sense and this debate might actually get somewhere. Which of-course would defeat the purpose. I don't know maybe its just me.
Now on my new PC, with a Radeon HD 5770, that supports Flash acceleration, Flash videos are great, even at 1080p, and the GPU barely breaks a sweat, although the CPU might be able to handle it (Core i5-750) without GPU acceleration.
I use a custom hosts file on my machines to block ads, so I don't care about ads (banners or Flash) anymore, but until when at some point HTML 5 does become something, I'll take my Flash acceleration, while Apple and Adobe do a lot of chest thumping.
So now both windows and flash are inefficient. I have to say I really like safari 4.
Most of the time you will have Flash based advert running in the background draining your CPU resources without you even noticing.
No, that's what FlashBlock and ClickToFlash prevent.
Highly recommended.
When people point out that the iPhone is a closed system, the general response is "if you don't like it, leave". I think the same attitude should apply to flash - if you don't like it on your Mac, just uninstall it - no one is forcing you to have it on your machine. Those of us who want it, can have it and those who don't (because Steve Jobs doesn't like it, you hate the ads, it is a closed system etc) don't have to use it. Done and done.
With all the gnashing of teeth that you hear on the internet regarding the iphone not having flash, it was only recently that I realized that even Android DOESNT have flash!
All that exists is a video of an Adobe demo (where the scrolling is painfully slow and subpar) and a promise to bring it out later in the year...
The only difference between the iphone and android regd. flash is that Apple has decided Flash is bad for the open internet. Hence, they have decided to use their power for the good of the internet, and nudge people towards getting rid of it.
Kinda like how they helped the world move on from crappy floppy disks in the past.
I think we have narrowed the problem to the Safari browser. Adobe could easily say that Safari is a third-rate application and the Apple programmers are lazy. Turn it all around on Mr. Jobs. I'm an Apple fanboy; however Apple is wrong about Flash. And now, with the penetration of Flash with CS5 into tha app store and all other mobile devices and embedded Flash used as menus for Vizio, Samsung, Dell and Sling Media and more......Apple has lost the Flash battle. Anyone who argues that 5 MILLION developers are moving to HTML 5 which is not even close to being standardized and lacks any real IDE is an idiot and in denial. Flash's penetration on the web is too deep even for the mighty Apple. The Flash haters can start consoling one another now.
Clearly Apple could, if it wished, make Flash run superbly on the Mac, as it does on the PC. But Jobs would rather penalize Apple users to achieve corporate business aims. God forbid Apple look to the interests of the user and assist the playback of ubiquitous Flash content.
Democrats like Jobs are the biggest business hypocrites of all time. Actually democrats are becoming synonymous for hypocrisy.
My old Intel Mac burns hot with the fan going crazy because of no other reason than Jobs insolence. He could play nice with Adobe but he refuses.
I own three Macs and zero PCs. But that will change if this petulance and stupidity continues. Apple is being a bully, far worse than IBM or MS in previous years.
Apple is becoming everything the "Think Different" crowd eschewed. They are becoming the odious big brother.
And if your efforts where universalized (like that would ever happen) the revenue model of the web would dissolve, creating a world of shovelware from India and China.
And you are the evangelists trying to push this?
You are Satan....fortunately a very ignorant strain.
Welcome to the forum, Tomfoolery.
I second that. Welcome.
And please, pardon the trolls.
Well, as many of the regulars to these forums will no doubt know, I disagree with a lot of the il-informed crap being spouted here. It's irrelevant however, I have no intention to debate any of it because it won't change anything. I think some of you are here for the purpose of debating specifically, and aren't interested in information.
I do find it curious though, that the same people keep coming back with the same lack of information time and time again, reiterating their worn out points to the same old tired and worn out debate, again and again and agin.
Yes I realize I have been guilty as well. Still, am I the only one here who feels like AI just posts these things to keep this debate going and add to their click through rate?
Why don't they just post and article that says HTML5 GOOD! FLASH BAD! OR IS IT? THE DEBATE RAGES ON! and repost it everyday? Then they could combine this endless debate into one gigantic thread.
At least that would keep people from having to repost the same arguments and points over and over. But then I guess they probably don't want people posting the same arguments over and over, some of them make too much sense and this debate might actually get somewhere. Which of-course would defeat the purpose. I don't know maybe its just me.
Hey alkranz... I'm 100% with ya on this one!
Steve Jobs is placing Apple's agenda above the interests of the people. It's that simple.
Clearly Apple could, if it wished, make Flash run superbly on the Mac, as it does on the PC. But Jobs would rather penalize Apple users to achieve corporate business aims. God forbid Apple look to the interests of the user and assist the playback of ubiquitous Flash content.
Before you starting saying something even MORE silly... Wanna try again on who owns, markets and develops the source code to Flash? Hint it's NOT Apple and they aren't in the business of fixing the shoddy source code from a 3rd party developers... Now if you're simply asking WHY Apple doesn't upend its entire OS to allow a single 3rd developer to utilize the video card GPU without following the proper Apple Developer Outlined methods all because said developer is stuck on how to fix their crapware properly... Yea Microsoft will usually do that, Apple wont... and as a result each OS speaks for itself when it comes to stability and security. How do you think wanna-be hackers barely out of grade school can churn out key loggers, spyware and viruses just hours after one of Microsoft's 'security fixes'?
Does anyone else find it funny that Safari, on Windows, does better with Flash than IE?
It is a bit ironic, but then Apple > Microsoft.
When people point out that the iPhone is a closed system, the general response is "if you don't like it, leave". I think the same attitude should apply to flash - if you don't like it on your Mac, just uninstall it - no one is forcing you to have it on your machine. Those of us who want it, can have it and those who don't (because Steve Jobs doesn't like it, you hate the ads, it is a closed system etc) don't have to use it. Done and done.
Sure, I as a consumer can just leave a Flash web site, and I do. And I have click2flash on. But it just feels hard for those who like simple, openly agreed web standards to just leave it there, especially with the history of MS corrupting the web and java etc. It feels like things are only now getting to be where they should have been 10 years ago.
If people are informed, then, sure, they should be able to make up their own mind about what kind of website they want. If photographers and car dealerships want blingy Flash sites, then let 'em. But they need to know it is poor practice, a poor solution, that it has consequences and that technology has moved on.
It's like when I got my first *real* desktop video editing system in about 1999/2000. I got a new G4 PowerMac, but I couldn't afford a couple of thousand+ more to go the traditional route and get an extra, proprietary video card with editing suite. One dealer tried to sell me on the card, that's all he knew -- "you want to do video, you got to have an editing suite, period." I did a little research (what was available at the time) and the next dealer confirmed, and said, "it's a fast computer, and it comes with firewire, what's the problem? It doesn't have to be complicated anymore."
It's like tourists who still think you need Travellers Checks. They must like finding an AE office, standing there, pulling out their passport and doing all the counter-signing crap. Or, maybe they just like pulling out a wad of flashy looking paper with nice designs all over it. Me, I just walk up to an ATM anywhere in the world and pop in the debit card from my home banking account. Safer, no commission and better exchange rates to boot. Standards. Who needs 'em, eh?
No skin off my nose, I guess. But it feels like a whole dumbing down (read about the way some Facebook users couldn't login in last month) that really does affect the rest of us; it feels like it just perpetuates stuff that just needs to die off. "Interactivity" has become this goal in and of itself, but the real user experience and value of content that prop the whole thing up have been obscured under layers and layers of crap.
That is to say, that video is not the only place where Flash unnecessarily gobbles up my Mac's processor cores to the point that my fans turn on.
Hell, whenever there's a Flash applet showing just a static image and a button, the fans go wild.
Now, for a laptop, that's just bloody irritating. The CPU spikes, the fans spin, and my battery deteriorates.
So sod the "oh you must have hardware acceleration" argument, please.
Hardware acceleration isn't going to help Flash show a non-moving image and a freakin' button.