Apple releases Safari 4.0.5 with performance, stability improvements

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  • Reply 21 of 67
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacTel View Post


    I wished Safari kept the Chrome-like tabs it had in the beta version.



    Totally agree with that one. I hated the tab design in the beta when I first got it, but had grown to really like it by the time they took it away!



    I like the way Chrome handles tabs.
  • Reply 22 of 67
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,508member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nite41 View Post


    This seems to be a good place to ask this question. I've asked this question in other forums too, but no one gives a logical reply



    So, I have been using Webkit Nightly builds for over 3 weeks now. And they are super fast! Faster than even Chrome I guess.



    So, this is the question: How secure are the Webkit Nightly builds?



    I've read that Apple chooses a really good Webkit build and then tweaks it and then comes a new version of Safari! So, I am assuming Safari is safe enough. But, is the Webkit more secure than Safari or less secure?



    Would be really helpful if someone answered this!



    They're all betas. There's no knowing if something like security is broken on any given build. It's not likely, but it's possible. A released version is tested plenty first, and even then, problems show up. Such is the life of software.
  • Reply 23 of 67
    This version of Safari will not correctly render this site:

    http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/full_loop.php



    Load time is slow compared to most sites.



    Time to get full rendered picture with animation is over a minute.



    When animation is active, scrolling is jerky because user inputs are skipped for up to a second of inputs. The jerky movement problem gets worse with continuous input.
  • Reply 24 of 67
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,508member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacTel View Post


    These are some features I like to see Safari address in a minor release. Looks like they are still squashing bugs.



    1) Sorting bookmarks by name

    2) Moving the plus sign (+) next to the last tab for a more correct GUI design in lauching new tabs. Double-clicking the tab bar is nice but not intuitive. The current plus sign location sucks.

    3) Volume control for the browser with the ability to mute web site that auto-play music or videos.

    4) A shortcut key to put the browser in full screen mode (hide the menu, bookmark bar etc).

    5) A more GUI intuitive way to add to the bookmark bar.

    6) The option to choose other search providers other than Google or in addition to Google



    Like it or not IE8 has all of the above features and Safari can steal (er borrow) those ideas. The volume control doesn't exist in IE8 either.



    I wished Safari kept the Chrome-like tabs it had in the beta version.



    I don't believe my feature list would constitute a 5.0 version for Safari but maybe a 4.1.



    I'd like to see colored folders in bookmarks, to make it easier to pick them out from a long list like I have.



    I'd also like to see when adding a bookmark, folders closed, rather than open, unless you click on it. The list gets sooo long otherwise, it take a long time to get from the top to the bottom. And every new folder you add within another folder just makes that list longer.
  • Reply 25 of 67
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,508member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PaulMJohnson View Post


    Totally agree with that one. I hated the tab design in the beta when I first got it, but had grown to really like it by the time they took it away!



    I like the way Chrome handles tabs.



    Well, you know, people, including a bunch of tech writers, complained about it, so they listened, and changed it back. It would be nice if we could change it in prefs.
  • Reply 26 of 67
    sticknicksticknick Posts: 123member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by myapplelove View Post


    You mean this version?



    I really can't see how come other browsers work better on a g4 of all things, my suspicion is that apple has abandoned all optimizations for the g4s, which is very disappointing. Do you guys get the same experience from safari on your powerbooks or is it just me and I have to clear some caches or something?



    Truth be told this is a common experience for quite a few users, myself included, regardless of safari's otherwise great performance on intel hardware. I've had every single symptom MacCrazy describes with Top Sites too.



    Safari 4.x runs fine on my G4 Powerbook. It's a little sluggish at times but that's to be expected from a five year old machine. Firefox runs about the same; no better no worse. I refuse to touch Opera simply because it's been a piss poor browser since 2001 or so.



    Cant' say anything about Top Sites though. I think it's kinda lame and don't use it.
  • Reply 27 of 67
    coolfactorcoolfactor Posts: 2,219member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Woohoo! View Post


    ...Firefox zoom includes the whole site, not just the type!...



    Safari had this before Firefox did, so ha! Nice try, though.
  • Reply 28 of 67
    coolfactorcoolfactor Posts: 2,219member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sticknick View Post


    ...I refuse to touch Opera simply because it's been a piss poor browser since 2001 or so....



    Opera happens to be a great browser, but doesn't have the mindshare that other mainstream browsers are getting.
  • Reply 29 of 67
    nkhmnkhm Posts: 928member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Woohoo! View Post


    Apple is so concerned about Safari's speed when they instead should be looking at what Firefox and even Chrome are doing to make web browsing a much more enjoyable experience.



    I got Morning Coffee, one button click loads my favorite websites assigned for that particular day.



    Instead of just Google in the search bar, I got Wikipedia, Amazon, eBay, Answers and anything other site too.



    I got Flagfox which tells me the location of the sites I visit, another verifies the sites, Adblock, bug blockers, script blockers and best of all a nice blue sky theme with a image of Yosemite instead of that boring grey in Safari.



    I got FasterFox which preloads the next Google search results and adds it to the bottom of the previous page, so I just keep all scrolling through instead of the lame click and load method.



    I got NoSquint, which remembers the zoom level for each site. Firefox zoom includes the whole site, not just the type!





    I could go on and on... I don't even remember the last time I launched Safari...



    A few versions ago I'm guessing, you can have multiple sites open in tabs at a single button press, and there are plug-ins available for safari that do the same things that your current alternative browser plug-ins achieve... And the zoom comment is incorrect, the entire site is enlarged/reduced in safari, which can also be controlled with a pinch on your multi-touch track pad. You're talking about the features you've installed like they're standard browser behaviour - all of this can be achieved with third party plug ins for Safari as you have done for firefox, what's your point exactly?
  • Reply 30 of 67
    nkhmnkhm Posts: 928member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jimoase View Post


    This version of Safari will not correctly render this site:

    http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/full_loop.php



    Load time is slow compared to most sites.



    Time to get full rendered picture with animation is over a minute.



    When animation is active, scrolling is jerky because user inputs are skipped for up to a second of inputs. The jerky movement problem gets worse with continuous input.



    Took just under 9 seconds to complete load here (2meg line) animation is fine, scrolling is smooth. No 'jerk' problem.



    Check your computer?
  • Reply 31 of 67
    aizmovaizmov Posts: 989member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    I can't stand Firefox.



    Me too. I use Chrome
  • Reply 32 of 67
    d-ranged-range Posts: 396member
    Gotta love it how OS X updates so often actually add useful stuff or improve performance, as opposed to just plugging holes or fix critical bugs. This is so much better than the typical Windows updates I was used to before. Good job Apple!
  • Reply 33 of 67
    myapplelovemyapplelove Posts: 1,515member
    @Mactel Agreed with everything. Excellent post. Even if they don't wan to de facto some of what you say, they should make them as options.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    I'd like to see colored folders in bookmarks, to make it easier to pick them out from a long list like I have.



    I'd also like to see when adding a bookmark, folders closed, rather than open, unless you click on it. The list gets sooo long otherwise, it take a long time to get from the top to the bottom. And every new folder you add within another folder just makes that list longer.



    Oh amen for the colour folders, let me also take it a step further and say icon/images capable folders too. I have assigned pictures to most of my os x mainly used desktop folders work, books, journals etc. and it make it a breeze to browse, I would love to be able to just quickly spot the icon for say the folder for Journals in my bookmarks instead of this damn boring and hard to use blue folder list. (And why not be able to assign images to itunes playlists too, I have tons of them, would save me lots of time again)



    And how about some smart folders and tags in Safari? Isn't it high time we had that too, seeing as now our synced bookmarks are cross device references for our macs, portable macs, iphones and future ipads, shouldn't they as best organized as possible?



    To be honest and fair with apple, safari has become a really nice, solid, fast browser on intel machines, but it's not up to scratch in a lot minor but very important details and usability features, it doesn't have that extra polish and oomph. It's not enough to copy operas speed dial when you keep a bookmarking system e.g. from the dark ages of browsers.



    Let's hope people are reading these, and are actively working on them.
  • Reply 34 of 67
    erunnoerunno Posts: 225member
    Safari is missing quite a lot of handy basic features and interface tweaks from other browsers. The only it currently has going for it is the integration with the rest of OS X but as a standalone browser it is below par at best. Given Safari's glacial and Chrome's breakneck development speed the later will be a suitable alternative to Safari by version 6 for people who do not wish to use Firefox.
  • Reply 35 of 67
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nite41 View Post


    This seems to be a good place to ask this question. I've asked this question in other forums too, but no one gives a logical reply



    I don't know about your other answers but there is no way to positively answer your question. Think about it Webkit is under heavy development, there is always a possibility of a security breach. How would you know as it may be there one day and gone the next.

    Quote:

    So, I have been using Webkit Nightly builds for over 3 weeks now. And they are super fast! Faster than even Chrome I guess.



    Speed stopped being an issue some time ago for me, I'm more concerned about Safari being correct now. That is that it renders properly. On that note I've been using WebKit for a couple of years now and generally like it.

    Quote:

    So, this is the question: How secure are the Webkit Nightly builds?



    As noted above that can't be answered. Think about what you are asking here, you are using a nightly build of a beta product.



    On the otherhand where do you think the fixes for real security issues get tested. You see webKit should be getting progressively better even security wise but there is always a chance of regressions.

    Quote:

    I've read that Apple chooses a really good Webkit build and then tweaks it and then comes a new version of Safari! So, I am assuming Safari is safe enough. But, is the Webkit more secure than Safari or less secure?



    Would be really helpful if someone answered this!



    How many times are you going to ask a question that can't be honestly answered? When you use WebKit you are TESTING software, that should be pretty clear.





    Dace
  • Reply 36 of 67
    erunnoerunno Posts: 225member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by coolfactor View Post


    Safari had this before Firefox did, so ha! Nice try, though.



    Firefox introduced full page zoom with 3.0 in June 2008 while Safari 4 was released a year later so your statement is wrong. It's actually Opera which pioneered this technology long before its competitors.
  • Reply 37 of 67
    loaded instantly(so fast it's scary), smooth everything...... rendered perfect. You must have other issues



    quote:Originally Posted by jimoase

    This version of Safari will not correctly render this site:

    http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/full_loop.php



    Load time is slow compared to most sites.



    Time to get full rendered picture with animation is over a minute.



    When animation is active, scrolling is jerky because user inputs are skipped for up to a second of inputs. The jerky movement problem gets worse with continuous input.
  • Reply 38 of 67
    erunnoerunno Posts: 225member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by d-range View Post


    Gotta love it how OS X updates so often actually add useful stuff or improve performance, as opposed to just plugging holes or fix critical bugs.



    Safari 4 should have never been released with such abyssal top sites performance and it's actually embarrassing that it took Apple so long to start fixing this issue, especially when checking sites for updates and generating the thumbs looks like the perfect task for Grand Central.
  • Reply 39 of 67
    erunnoerunno Posts: 225member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    You seem to be looking it as if Apple employees are sitting around scratching their heads wondering how to mimic Firefox, but you should be looking at what Apple is doing with their browsers.



    What exactly is Apple doing with its browser? For the last couple of years Safari hasn't exactly been exactly on the forefront when it comes to interface innovations or useful built-in features. Safari nowadays is nothing more than a sporadically updated front end to WebKit while most of the resources seem to be poured into the engine.
  • Reply 40 of 67
    igeniusigenius Posts: 1,240member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jimoase View Post


    This version of Safari will not correctly render this site:

    http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/full_loop.php



    Load time is slow compared to most sites.



    Time to get full rendered picture with animation is over a minute.



    When animation is active, scrolling is jerky because user inputs are skipped for up to a second of inputs. The jerky movement problem gets worse with continuous input.



    Worked fine for me using Firefox.
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