You've never been on the ugly side of a union, have you? The woes are because the workers weren't paid enough, even ask them.
That's long gone history, maybe it was relevant when my grandfather was working. The unions of today aren't the unions of that era. I highly doubt that any currently working UAW union member worked under those times. Now, quite a lot of union members working at GM put in about two hours' worth of good work in a day, lounge around and complain about having to do those two hours of work, even ask them.
Are you really this stupid? Employers can't require employees to buy their products. Many people who work for an automobile company drive drive another brand to work.
Get into the brewing industry sometime: getting caught with a competing brand will get you fired on the spot. You don't work for one and drink another.
As for iPhones at MS, I think that's hilarious (esp. in those numbers!) Gotta wonder how many Widows Mobile phones are hidden around Apple...
I know my brother-in-law is one of them. He works at the Redmond Campus, and he's told me one of his greatest fears is being caught with it on him at work.
Shouldn't Steve Balmer use this as an opportunity to step back and wonder why 10% of his employees would risk such alienation and backlash ... I'm sure there are even more MS empoyees that would buy one if they weren't so worried about being caught with one at work. I remember an article I read months ago about Bill Gates' wife, and how she said Bill forbade iPhones in his house, but that she secretly wanted one so bad (so far as to say she was "jealous" when she saw her friends with one). Wouldn't you sit back and start asking yourself what Apple was doing right ...?
How many Apple employees have Windows PC's or use Windows on a Mac?
How many Apple employees family members use PC's at work or at school?
There's a slight difference between a Microsoft employee liking the iPhone so much they're willing to risk harrassment and career by using it at work, and a family member of an Apple employee begrudgingly using a Windows PC at work because they have no choice in the matter.
Get into the brewing industry sometime: getting caught with a competing brand will get you fired on the spot. You don't work for one and drink another.
Unless you are a taster, I think that drinking on the job could get you fired no matter whose brew you are drinking at work.
The ringtone is the worse give away. Here in NYC everyone seems to use the old phone ringtone. Whenever I'm in a crowded place everyone grabs their iPhone when they hear it.
And: how many of those Apple employees LIKE the Windows experience anywhere near as much as the Mac experience, or find it anywhere near as productive and hassle-free?
Vs. how may of the Microsoft employees LIKE the iPhone experience anywhere near as much (dare I say better?) than the Windows Mobile experience?
In other words, how many Microsoft and Apple people use the competitor?s products by CHOICE vs. regrettable necessity?
I would MUCH rather use a Mac as a school computer as opposed to those HP piles of crap...
Although it's no secret that members of Microsoft's leadership frown upon employees who choose an Apple iPhone over one running the company's own Windows Mobile operating system, approximately 1 in 10 still veer towards the forbidden fruit and sometimes go to great lengths to conceal them on the job.
I worked for Microsoft, and half of that is wrong. Yes, there are a lot of Microsoft employees with iPhones (even back in 2008 when I was working for them), but they hardly go to great lengths to conceal them. If you're not on the Windows Mobile team, no one really cares - certainly not your direct managers.
I know several people on my team who actually watched the iPhone 3G announcement live, at work, during the day, using Microsoft's Internet connection.
I also know that many members of my team regularly used Google and Firefox. Again, unless you were on the IE or Bing (Live Search at that time), no one really cared.
The interesting thing is that you could tell the 'true believers' from the people who didn't live in the Microsoft bubble by what they thought about Windows Mobile. If they thought it was a good product (or tried to excuse its flaws by calling it "good for business"), they were a true believer. If they realized that the iPhone was going to kick their butt (in 2008 Windows Mobile was still ahead in market share, but it was clear that it wouldn't last), then they were a pragmatist.
It's the latter people (pragmatists) that drove Windows 7, Windows Mobile 7, and many of Microsoft's other successful products. It's the former people that resulted in huge missteps like putting IE development on hold from 2001-2004, Windows Vista, and UMPCs.
Apple seems to be much better at avoiding the bubble. They launched the iPhone without third-party apps (except for the silly web-app strategy), but when it was clear that the market wanted more, they were able to add apps in a big way just a year later. They released the iPod touch when it was clear that users wanted a device without a phone.
Microsoft tends to keep pushing their failures even when they don't work out. Tablet PC is a great example - no one wanted a low-powered, short battery life laptop in 2002, and they don't want one now. Tablets did OK in some markets like medicine, but the reality is that you can't shrink a PC and deliver a powerful-enough machine that's also small, has good battery life, and is cheap. It seems that Microsoft has figured this out now, but it took Apple to kick them in the ass before they realized it.
The ringtone is the worse give away. Here in NYC everyone seems to use the old phone ringtone. Whenever I'm in a crowded place everyone grabs their iPhone when they hear it.
I use the old-phone ringtone as well. Someone commented about it, in a good-natured way. Later on, I placed a call using the rotary-dial app; I had the sound turned way up so they could hear me dialing. I thought my boss was gonna have a heart attack he was laughing so hard!
Are you really this stupid? Employers can't require employees to buy their products. Many people who work for an automobile company drive drive another brand to work.
It has nothing to do with what the employer requires. It has to do with "fellow" employees being vandals.
The ringtone is the worse give away. Here in NYC everyone seems to use the old phone ringtone. Whenever I'm in a crowded place everyone grabs their iPhone when they hear it.
No, that's really an old-style phone ringing and everybody thinking (hoping, praying) it's a call actually getting through in NYC.
I have no issue using products and services of rival companies to the one I work for, if they are superior to the ones my company is offering. I do however let people in my organisation know of shortfalls, so that they have the opportunity to improve things and make then products and services I would like to have.
There is nothing wrong with making a statement that you think you own companies products need improving.
If Ballmer sees his employess with iPhones, he should simply ask them what is it offering that a Windoze Mobile doesn't. That will give him the intelligence to improve his offering.
There is no point in being totally loyal to your employer. At the end of the day, there is always a chance they will terminate your contract. Is that loyalty??
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You've never been on the ugly side of a union, have you? The woes are because the workers weren't paid enough, even ask them.
That's long gone history, maybe it was relevant when my grandfather was working. The unions of today aren't the unions of that era. I highly doubt that any currently working UAW union member worked under those times. Now, quite a lot of union members working at GM put in about two hours' worth of good work in a day, lounge around and complain about having to do those two hours of work, even ask them.
Are you really this stupid? Employers can't require employees to buy their products. Many people who work for an automobile company drive drive another brand to work.
Get into the brewing industry sometime: getting caught with a competing brand will get you fired on the spot. You don't work for one and drink another.
As for iPhones at MS, I think that's hilarious (esp. in those numbers!) Gotta wonder how many Widows Mobile phones are hidden around Apple...
That's long gone history, maybe it was relevant when my grandfather was working. The unions of today aren't the unions of that era.
Try crossing say the Ironworkers sometime. (Seriously, for your own safety, don't).
You'll find them every bit as old-fashioned as your grandfather's.
Shouldn't Steve Balmer use this as an opportunity to step back and wonder why 10% of his employees would risk such alienation and backlash ... I'm sure there are even more MS empoyees that would buy one if they weren't so worried about being caught with one at work. I remember an article I read months ago about Bill Gates' wife, and how she said Bill forbade iPhones in his house, but that she secretly wanted one so bad (so far as to say she was "jealous" when she saw her friends with one). Wouldn't you sit back and start asking yourself what Apple was doing right ...?
Get into the brewing industry sometime: getting caught with a competing brand will get you fired on the spot.
On the other hand, after you sue them you'll be all set for a while.
Try crossing say the Ironworkers sometime. (Seriously, for your own safety, don't).
You'll find them every bit as old-fashioned as your grandfather's.
Oh, that's a different industry. I was talking more about the "big 3" and the unions associated with them.
How many Apple employees have Windows PC's or use Windows on a Mac?
How many Apple employees family members use PC's at work or at school?
There's a slight difference between a Microsoft employee liking the iPhone so much they're willing to risk harrassment and career by using it at work, and a family member of an Apple employee begrudgingly using a Windows PC at work because they have no choice in the matter.
I worked with a woman whose husband worked for Pepsi. She wouldn't drink any Coca-Cola product even 1500 miles from home.
The Pepsi employees (and I think Coke employees too) don't drink or buy the other's product period.
Now, if you do tech support for X-Boxes, what brand of phone you use at home is up to you.
If you are on the Windows Series 7 blah-blah-blah team - likely iPhones are not welcome.
I have owned Pepsi stock for 15 years, but I prefer to drink Coca-Cola!
Get into the brewing industry sometime: getting caught with a competing brand will get you fired on the spot. You don't work for one and drink another.
Unless you are a taster, I think that drinking on the job could get you fired no matter whose brew you are drinking at work.
The ringtone is the worse give away. Here in NYC everyone seems to use the old phone ringtone. Whenever I'm in a crowded place everyone grabs their iPhone when they hear it.
So true...
And: how many of those Apple employees LIKE the Windows experience anywhere near as much as the Mac experience, or find it anywhere near as productive and hassle-free?
Vs. how may of the Microsoft employees LIKE the iPhone experience anywhere near as much (dare I say better?) than the Windows Mobile experience?
In other words, how many Microsoft and Apple people use the competitor?s products by CHOICE vs. regrettable necessity?
I would MUCH rather use a Mac as a school computer as opposed to those HP piles of crap...
Although it's no secret that members of Microsoft's leadership frown upon employees who choose an Apple iPhone over one running the company's own Windows Mobile operating system, approximately 1 in 10 still veer towards the forbidden fruit and sometimes go to great lengths to conceal them on the job.
I worked for Microsoft, and half of that is wrong. Yes, there are a lot of Microsoft employees with iPhones (even back in 2008 when I was working for them), but they hardly go to great lengths to conceal them. If you're not on the Windows Mobile team, no one really cares - certainly not your direct managers.
I know several people on my team who actually watched the iPhone 3G announcement live, at work, during the day, using Microsoft's Internet connection.
I also know that many members of my team regularly used Google and Firefox. Again, unless you were on the IE or Bing (Live Search at that time), no one really cared.
The interesting thing is that you could tell the 'true believers' from the people who didn't live in the Microsoft bubble by what they thought about Windows Mobile. If they thought it was a good product (or tried to excuse its flaws by calling it "good for business"), they were a true believer. If they realized that the iPhone was going to kick their butt (in 2008 Windows Mobile was still ahead in market share, but it was clear that it wouldn't last), then they were a pragmatist.
It's the latter people (pragmatists) that drove Windows 7, Windows Mobile 7, and many of Microsoft's other successful products. It's the former people that resulted in huge missteps like putting IE development on hold from 2001-2004, Windows Vista, and UMPCs.
Apple seems to be much better at avoiding the bubble. They launched the iPhone without third-party apps (except for the silly web-app strategy), but when it was clear that the market wanted more, they were able to add apps in a big way just a year later. They released the iPod touch when it was clear that users wanted a device without a phone.
Microsoft tends to keep pushing their failures even when they don't work out. Tablet PC is a great example - no one wanted a low-powered, short battery life laptop in 2002, and they don't want one now. Tablets did OK in some markets like medicine, but the reality is that you can't shrink a PC and deliver a powerful-enough machine that's also small, has good battery life, and is cheap. It seems that Microsoft has figured this out now, but it took Apple to kick them in the ass before they realized it.
Rounding error.
Uh, 10% is a rounding error, only if you're in binary.
The ringtone is the worse give away. Here in NYC everyone seems to use the old phone ringtone. Whenever I'm in a crowded place everyone grabs their iPhone when they hear it.
I use the old-phone ringtone as well. Someone commented about it, in a good-natured way. Later on, I placed a call using the rotary-dial app; I had the sound turned way up so they could hear me dialing. I thought my boss was gonna have a heart attack he was laughing so hard!
Are you really this stupid? Employers can't require employees to buy their products. Many people who work for an automobile company drive drive another brand to work.
It has nothing to do with what the employer requires. It has to do with "fellow" employees being vandals.
The ringtone is the worse give away. Here in NYC everyone seems to use the old phone ringtone. Whenever I'm in a crowded place everyone grabs their iPhone when they hear it.
No, that's really an old-style phone ringing and everybody thinking (hoping, praying) it's a call actually getting through in NYC.
There is nothing wrong with making a statement that you think you own companies products need improving.
If Ballmer sees his employess with iPhones, he should simply ask them what is it offering that a Windoze Mobile doesn't. That will give him the intelligence to improve his offering.
There is no point in being totally loyal to your employer. At the end of the day, there is always a chance they will terminate your contract. Is that loyalty??
Phil