NYT: Steve Jobs feels Google betrayed Apple by mimicking iPhone

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  • Reply 81 of 344
    guinnessguinness Posts: 473member
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    Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post


    Apple didn't sue Google and Google isn't selling Android. Apple sued HTC. HTC is selling the technology--key to a patent infringement case.



    Apple has the patents. Google might have confidential, in-house, prior art dated before Apple filed its patent applications, but Apple has the patents because Apple published its technology with the US PTO for us all to see. HTC has squat.



    Motorola, LG. and SE are selling Android phones too; Apple only seemed to get a case of butthurt when the Nexus One came out, which is a primarily Google/HTC collaboration.
  • Reply 82 of 344
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    Originally Posted by guinness View Post


    Motorola, LG. and SE are selling Android phones too; Apple only seemed to get a case of butthurt when the Nexus One came out, which is a primarily Google/HTC collaboration.



    What do they do? The same finger gestures?
  • Reply 83 of 344
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    Well done sprockkets; with our predictably short memories, very few of us remember the prototype Google phone that they touted around just before the iPhone made its debut.



    It's looks are a blatant copy, as usual, of the "cellphone du jour" of that actual time, the Blackberry, with some features aping other dominant phones of the time, including the Nokia "N" series. So what we have here is the usual "embrace and extend" cloning strategy of Microsoft dating back to its most evil days, and all this from a company whose motto is "Do No Evil".



    Steve Jobs' comments in an interview more than 2 years ago when Android was hinted at were cryptic but clear enough for those aware of their implications: Google had already achieved its objectives of being ubiquitous and unavoidably prevalent in the mobile search business without the Android strategy, he said, a strategy that risked it alienating itself from those who wished to be its partners. Then all that compounded by a foray into touch-screen cellphone hardware with form factors clearly aping the iPhone. All this from a company whose CEO actually sat in on board meetings at Apple Inc where strategy and day-to-day updates on progress would be discussed as a matter of routine... dear, dear, dear me, will Apple never learn the painful lessons of history?



    Can't really get any clearer than that what Apple's position would be, and why the special relationship, which in reality never existed at all, had to end.



    Now, given the facts and leaving out the emotion, which company would you say is shaping up to be the bad old Microsoft of yore that teamed up with a hardware manufacturer (Compaq) to clone the dominant hardware system of the day (IBM-PC)? What I'm saying is that Compaq is to HTC what Microsoft is to ---- ; fill in the blanks yourselves, people!
  • Reply 84 of 344
    foo2foo2 Posts: 1,077member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by guinness View Post


    Motorola, LG. and SE are selling Android phones too; Apple only seemed to get a case of butthurt when the Nexus One came out, which is a primarily Google/HTC collaboration.



    The NY Times article suggests Apple was unhappy long before the Nexus One and Apple doesn't have to sue every supposed infringer at once.
  • Reply 85 of 344
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    Originally Posted by airmanchairman View Post


    Well done sprockkets; with our predictably short memories, very few of us remember the prototype Google phone that they touted around just before the iPhone made its debut.



    It's looks are a blatant copy, as usual, of the "cellphone du jour" of that actual time, the Blackberry, with some features aping other dominant phones of the time, including the Nokia "N" series. So what we have here is the usual "embrace and extend" cloning strategy of Microsoft dating back to its most evil days, and all this from a company whose motto is "Do No Evil".



    Steve Jobs' comments in an interview more than 2 years ago when Android was hinted at were cryptic but clear enough for those aware of their implications: Google had already achieved its objectives of being ubiquitous and unavoidably prevalent in the mobile search business without the Android strategy, he said, a strategy that risked it alienating itself from those who wished to be its partners. Then all that compounded by a foray into touch-screen cellphone hardware with form factors clearly aping the iPhone.



    Can't really get any clearer than that what Apple's position would be, and why the special relationship, which in reality never existed at all, had to end.



    Now, given the facts and leaving out the emotion, which company would you say is shaping up to be the bad old Microsoft of yore that teamed up with a hardware manufacturer (Compaq) to clone the dominant hardware system of the day (IBM-PC)? What I'm saying is that Compaq is to HTC what Microsoft is to ---- ; fill in the blanks yourselves, people!



    Is that the copy cat of the iPhone in question?
  • Reply 86 of 344
    daharderdaharder Posts: 1,580member
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    Originally Posted by k2director View Post


    I hope Apple cleans Google's clock on this. Android is a direct copy of the iPhone, with a few tweaks.




    Not Even Close.
  • Reply 87 of 344
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    Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post


    Not Even Close.



    What is the phone we are talking about? Does anyone have a link or pic of it and it features?
  • Reply 88 of 344
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    Originally Posted by elroth View Post


    How people can keep repeating this drivel is beyond me. Jobs asked Xerox if he and Wozniak could use the ideas, and Xerox happily let them. That's not stealing.



    And oh by the way, Xerox didn't know what to do with the ideas - they had no clue about adapting the GUI into an actual product. Kind of like Bill Gates, who famously said that people would never use a mouse to control a computer.



    J.F.K. said it well, ?The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie - deliberate, contrived and dishonest - but the myth - persistent, persuasive and unrealistic?
  • Reply 89 of 344
    daharderdaharder Posts: 1,580member
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    Originally Posted by RussellSakay View Post


    What is the phone we are talking about? Does anyone have a link or pic of it and it features?



    No They Don't... Because Google (itself) Doesn't Manufacture Any Phone/Handset Hardware - \



    Note: The Closest thing you'll find is the HTC NEXUS ONE



    Sounds like Apple somehow sees anything that even looks like competition as some kind of 'sue worthy' threat -
  • Reply 90 of 344
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    Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post


    No They Don't... Because Google (itself) Doesn't Manufacture Any Phone/Handset Hardware - \



    Note: The Closest thing you'll find is the HTC NEXUS ONE



    Sounds like Apple somehow sees anything that even looks like competition as some kind of 'sue worthy' threat -



    My friend has that stupid phone.
  • Reply 91 of 344
    daharderdaharder Posts: 1,580member
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    Originally Posted by russellsakay View Post


    i was not asking about a google phone i was talking about the phone in question in which jobs is saying is a copy off of the iphone. Which phone is that?



    HTC Nexus One
  • Reply 93 of 344
    robogoborobogobo Posts: 378member
    Google is NOT a technology giant. They're an advertising giant. Everything else up until Android has been offered for free.
  • Reply 94 of 344
    foo2foo2 Posts: 1,077member
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    Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post


    Sounds like Apple somehow sees anything that even looks like competition as some kind of 'sue worthy' threat -



    There is undeniably quite a bit of money involved here, and Apple does have an obligation to its shareholders to protect its intellectual property. Really now, who in their right mind didn't recognize Android as a threat and potential avenue of infringement of Apple's IP when it was announced?
  • Reply 95 of 344
    guinnessguinness Posts: 473member
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    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


    I'll take the next generation search engine by the original designers who made Google what it became over Mahalo, if I had to choose.



    http://www.cuil.com/info/management/



    Culi has been out for a year or two, and gone nowhere; once I got past the former Google connections, I realized (and so did most people), that Culi's search algorithm is poor.



    Google still has the best algorithm, Bing is a distant second. If I really want to find something, I want to use the tool that works the best, not necessarily the morally 'best' one; one monopoly in one area, over one monopoly in another isn't much difference IMO, and given the opportunity, Apple would love to be another Google/MS. 3 evil corporations, the consumer is pretty screwed, they just get their profits in different ways.



    OT: However, I can change my search providers in Chrome, and have been warming up to Bing lately.
  • Reply 96 of 344
    nofear1aznofear1az Posts: 209member
    Steve Jobs needs to get over it. So what, they made Android. Anyway, If Apple starts promoting any of Microsoft's technologies such as Bing or Maps. Count me out! Maybe i'm not on the same playing field here because I do not believe Google is evil, I believe they are expanding just like Apple is expanding. Remember Apple used to only make computers then they dived into consumer electronics. Don't you think RIM, HTC, Microsoft, Nokia have a right to get mad at Apple for getting into the phone business if Apple has a right to get mad at Google getting into the phone business. It's like the pot calling the kettle black. It's all business, move on. There's no rules here. Has Steve forgotten about Bill Gates taking cues from their OS in the 80's? Maybe Steve should try on a friendly persona to make less enemies.
  • Reply 97 of 344
    daharderdaharder Posts: 1,580member
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    Originally Posted by nofear1az View Post


    Maybe Steve should try on a friendly persona to make less enemies.



    That would certainly be one viable approach -
  • Reply 98 of 344
    patranuspatranus Posts: 366member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nofear1az View Post


    Steve Jobs needs to get over it. So what, they made Android. Anyway, If Apple starts promoting any of Microsoft's technologies such as Bing or Maps. Count me out! Maybe i'm not on the same playing field here because I do not believe Google is evil, I believe they are expanding just like Apple is expanding. Remember Apple used to only make computers then they dived into consumer electronics. Don't you think RIM, HTC, Microsoft, Nokia have a right to get mad at Apple for getting into the phone business if Apple has a right to get mad at Google getting into the phone business. It's like the pot calling the kettle black. It's all business, move on. There's no rules here. Has Steve forgotten about Bill Gates taking cues from their OS in the 80's? Maybe Steve should try on a friendly persona to make less enemies.



    Last time I checked, Steve Jobs didn't sit on the board of directors at RIM, HTC, Microsoft, or Nokia.
  • Reply 99 of 344
    andyappleandyapple Posts: 152member
    FWIW, you can easily change Safari's default desktop search engine on the fly with add-ons such as Glims (which boasts a lot of other very cool features) or Inquisitor. A lot of posters here have brought up the subject so just thought I'd throw that out, in case anyone's interested.



    Back on target: I don't see any ultimate victor in this war, other than the lawyers who will profit from resources that would do better going to R&D... not that I don't support Apple in what I believe to be a just cause. But there will always be those consumers who for what ever reason will not buy Apple no matter what, and those who wouldn't dream of looking anywhere else. The fight will be over those in the middle but there are certainly enough consumers on a global scale to keep both Apple and its myriad competitors afloat for some time to come...



    On a related note, Plastic Logic and other supposed tablet vendors have been tripping all over themselves this past week to announce that their upcoming devices will be delayed, in order to assure quality at release-- in other words, none of them can match Apple's tech or the iPad's price point. Will be really interesting to see how big of a deal the 4th generation iPhone turns out to be, and quickly attempts are made to copy it.
  • Reply 100 of 344
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    Originally Posted by elroth View Post


    How people can keep repeating this drivel is beyond me. Jobs asked Xerox if he and Wozniak could use the ideas, and Xerox happily let them. That's not stealing.



    And oh by the way, Xerox didn't know what to do with the ideas - they had no clue about adapting the GUI into an actual product. Kind of like Bill Gates, who famously said that people would never use a mouse to control a computer.



    Xerox Star. 1981.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Star







    Granted, it was expensive as hell - not a consumer product (but Xerox isn't a consumer company) - but neither was the Lisa which came out afterwards.



    But whatever - Xerox did "nothing" or "never made an actual product".



    Born after 1981 I'm guessing?



    GUI was a nonsense argument from the get-go. In the early 80s EVERYONE was putting out GUIs. GEM, VisiOn, The Amiga, christ - even the C64 was getting a GUI - GEOs. I guess EVERYONE stole from Xerox (forgetting Xerox invested in Apple for a tech sharing agreement - then STILL tried to sue and lost).



    But that's missing the point.



    Have you ever seen a decent UI from Google? EVER? Here's what one of their designers who left for Twitter thought of Google's design crew - compare this to all we've heard about Ive and the rest who spend YEARS on this stuff:



    http://stopdesign.com/archive/2009/0...ye-google.html



    But Apple should just roll over on all those patents? Push for patent reform if you want (it's overdue) but Apple has them - and they warned they were going to enforce them from the day the iPhone was introduced. And when a company with a market-value higher than IBM and Google says they're going to enforce their IP - you might consider the fallout when you decide to ignore it. Still - I'm tired of all the lazy press on this stuff so far. Where's the FUN? I'm still waiting for:



    "Steve Jobs is going to make Google his bitch"



    Would Apple Insider take some time to add this to it's daily stories sometime - PLEASE? It needs to be put out on the net for future book report searches - at least for the footnotes.



    (source: AppleInsider - 03102010 - "Steve Jobs is going to make Google his bitch")
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