Nintendo has some good research and ideas but they never implement them well.
Apple should just buy them and put them out of their misery. Rape the patent library and send everyone home.
You're a funny guy.
While device convergence is good, you can't ignore the Nintendo Wii - a console which pales in versatility compared to its rivals, but has all but won the console wars. Dedicated gaming devices have been successful for decades. That said, Nintendo needs to react. Not sure if 3D is the way to go though. Combating the piracy the DS is rife with, now that would be a good place to start.
If Apple starts taking games more seriously (and there's overwhelming support for the iPad) I'll change my tune.
Nintendo(one of my favorite companies on earth)anouched this thing WAAAY to early, they've just given sony ample time to create a competitor!
It's not about Sony. They're trying to reduce the number of system sales siphoned away by Apple.
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Originally Posted by Woohoo!
Real gamers use consoles anyway.
Seriously, if your going to spend upwards of $500 on a iPad just to play games, a $300 PS3 will give a hell of a lot better experience and play DVD's, CD's, BlueRay's and surf the internet in a pinch.
Maybe because the iPad is not just a game device. And for it's stated purpose, it's a lot better than 'surf the internet in a pinch'.
I doubt that many hard-core Nintendo users would buy the iPad instead. But a lot of people on the fence who won't play a lot of games, but would like a few might choose the iPad.
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Originally Posted by gotApple
I'm also totally unimpressed by iPad. Sorry.
So you're not in the target audience. Why should anyone be sorry? It's not for everyone, nor was it ever claimed to be.
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Originally Posted by Superbass
We're not talking about value, we're talking about market. What 10 year old cares about syncing his calendar, and what 10 year old prefers an openGL racecar game for $1 to legend of zelda, f-zero or super mario brothers?
My 11 year old daughter does - at least much of the time. She likes portable, handheld, simple games when she has just a few minutes. When she has a longer time to play, she'll play Super Mario, but the only time she has enough time for that, she's at home, so no need for a Nintendo 3DS (or any other portable). But for those few minutes riding to school or hanging around, she is likely to happily use an iPad. In fact, she's already saving her money for one.
Ha! Hell will freeze over first before Nintendo ever brings over any of their IPs to competing platforms. And we'll forget the Phillips CDi for the sake of argument.
Nintendo is in the business of selling software and HARDWARE. They are just well as known as Apple, for their secrecy, passion, perfectionist attitude, and ego.
True. People forget that Nintendo IS the Apple of consoles.
1. Closed business model
2. Mainly sells hardware for the Wii instead of just software
3. Focuses on UI instead of GHZ
4. The home screen screams OSX
5. Both the Wii and the iphone were all predicted to fail miserably but instead confused pundits as to why they were wildly successful.
After the iPad hits the streets, I feel bad for Nintendo, the aftershocks will be painful for them.
Nonsense.
iPad is too big to compete against pocketable gaming device like DS. People will play on iPad, but it will be in different market segment.
That being said, I'm wondering what sort of 3D will 3Ds have. even with camera tracking head and helping screen image to readjust, current DS hardware is too weak to really cope with that (my personal opinion) while creating acceptable image quality.
Is 3Ds actually going to be completely new product..?
Nintendo has not revealed how the 3D visuals will be achieved without special glasses, though head-tracking through an integrated camera is likely the simplest option. The method allows a system to track the position of a user's head with a camera and adjust the image on the screen accordingly.
If it is indeed glasses-free, it is likely a form of lenticular display.
My 11 year old daughter does - at least much of the time. She likes portable, handheld, simple games when she has just a few minutes. When she has a longer time to play, she'll play Super Mario, but the only time she has enough time for that, she's at home, so no need for a Nintendo 3DS (or any other portable). But for those few minutes riding to school or hanging around, she is likely to happily use an iPad. In fact, she's already saving her money for one.
I shudder to think of an 11 year old working enough hours to be able to pay $500 for an iPad to play simple video games on it when she doesn't have time for Super Mario Bros. Either you have way too much money, or your daughter is skipping school to work and/or selling drugs.
Unless she's just your "imaginary" 11 year old girl. But that makes me shudder too.
I shudder to think of an 11 year old working enough hours to be able to pay $500 for an iPad to play simple video games on it when she doesn't have time for Super Mario Bros. Either you have way too much money, or your daughter is skipping school to work and/or selling drugs.
Well at least we have proof you've never played a single video game your entire life, because the Xbox or PS3 (obviously) never cost anywhere near or above 500 according to your logic.
The XBox and PS3 are systems. Systems used for playing games. They don't even come with a screen attached, you have to hook them up to a screen. Imagine that.
The Nintendo DS is the best-selling portable videogame system of all time. It has shipped more than 125 million units since it debuted in 2004. But minor hardware revisions from Nintendo have not been enough to prevent the growth of the iPhone and iPod touch in the mobile gaming realm.
This week, it was revealed that Apple's mobile devices had taken a 19 percent share of the mobile gaming market. Apple is now estimated to control 5 percent of the revenue in a $10 billion industry, thanks to the popularity of the App Store.
However, wasn't 2009 a record year for the Nintendo DS?
This guy seems to think that Apple is basically irrelevant to Nintendo:
I mean come on, the DS has two(!) tiny(!) screens (which is just nuts to start with), and then you use a tiny stick to manipulate things on them? WTF? The DS is clearly destined to be simply an odd footnote in mobile computing if you ask me.
Are you joking? The Nintendo DS has sold more than 100 million units! Footnote? LOL.
Please show me a quote where they are expressing concern about the iPhone.
Based on your other comments, most notably assuming that their current DS HW sales means that they aren't concerned about the future of their gaming sales, you'll likely have some reply trying to negate the validity of this WSJ article and quote. Note that, as I've previously stated, a CEO officially acknowledging the growth and threat of a competitor often means that they have something in the pipeline they feel will be successful to retain or improve their market position.
"If we can't make clear why customers pay a lot of money to play games on Nintendo hardware and Nintendo software and differentiate ourselves from games on the mobile phone or iPhone, then our future is dark," said Mr. Iwata at a recent company event.
Are you joking? The Nintendo DS has sold more than 100 million units! Footnote? LOL.
Actually, it's 125M units, but that has no baring on Gazoobee's comment about MOBILE COMPUTING not HANDHELD GAMING. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not the market is changing and the future will be a multi-functional device, not a device that can do gaming well with limited functionality in other areas. Nintendo surely knows this, why don't you?
Nintendo has publicly stated that they consider the iPod touch a threat to their portable gaming console.
I think the exact quote was that they are more worried about the iPod touch / iphone than they are about the PSP. Which could mean that they're quite worried, slightly worried, or not worried in the slightest.
Yep - Nintendo announced this far too early. Strange particularly for them to do this.
Actually, announcing a product 8-12 months before launch is pretty standard in the gaming industry. If I remember rightly, PSP and DS were announced at the end of 2003, shown at E3 2004 and launched at the end of 2004.
Presumably development kits have already gone out, so it would only be a matter of time before word leaks out about the 3d capability, etc.
If it is indeed glasses-free, it is likely a form of lenticular display.
I'd rather Nintendo stops providing safe-harbor for shovelware instead of talking about their upcoming gimmicks. I've got a Wii packed away that's being gifted to someone who wants to play nothing more than Wii Sports.
If they weren't raping Mario for more coins, I'd pay attention to Nintendo again.
If you want to think about new gaming metaphors, think about this - an extensible LAN party map / surface game. Instead of a big-ass table (trademark by Microsoft Surface) - people can join the party with their own slice and extend the gameplay universe. Everyone who brings an iPad to the party, expands a competitive map and changes the course of the game. Now THAT could be - fun - something sorely lacking from Nintendo these days (outside a few tired threadbare franchises). Unless you want to play more WiiFit:
Well at least we have proof you've never played a single video game your entire life, because the Xbox or PS3 (obviously) never cost anywhere near or above 500 according to your logic.
The XBox and PS3 are systems. Systems used for playing games. They don't even come with a screen attached, you have to hook them up to a screen. Imagine that.
Welcome to Earth. We have water here. It's wet.
You don't seem to have followed the conversation. It would be a good idea for you to read the thread before posting, because your comment really has little to do with what I wrote.
Dude claimed his 11-year old daughter was saving up for an iPad because she doesn't always have time to play Super Mario on her Nintendo DS.
But you do get top points for being an ass! Yes, I have played video games, and just because the iPad costs as much as much a Playstation did at launch, does not mean it is competing for market share with Playstation3. Sorry, but it just doesn't. Maybe there is too much water where you live.
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Nintendo has some good research and ideas but they never implement them well.
Apple should just buy them and put them out of their misery. Rape the patent library and send everyone home.
You're a funny guy.
While device convergence is good, you can't ignore the Nintendo Wii - a console which pales in versatility compared to its rivals, but has all but won the console wars. Dedicated gaming devices have been successful for decades. That said, Nintendo needs to react. Not sure if 3D is the way to go though. Combating the piracy the DS is rife with, now that would be a good place to start.
If Apple starts taking games more seriously (and there's overwhelming support for the iPad) I'll change my tune.
Nintendo(one of my favorite companies on earth)anouched this thing WAAAY to early, they've just given sony ample time to create a competitor!
It's not about Sony. They're trying to reduce the number of system sales siphoned away by Apple.
Real gamers use consoles anyway.
Seriously, if your going to spend upwards of $500 on a iPad just to play games, a $300 PS3 will give a hell of a lot better experience and play DVD's, CD's, BlueRay's and surf the internet in a pinch.
Maybe because the iPad is not just a game device. And for it's stated purpose, it's a lot better than 'surf the internet in a pinch'.
I doubt that many hard-core Nintendo users would buy the iPad instead. But a lot of people on the fence who won't play a lot of games, but would like a few might choose the iPad.
I'm also totally unimpressed by iPad. Sorry.
So you're not in the target audience. Why should anyone be sorry? It's not for everyone, nor was it ever claimed to be.
We're not talking about value, we're talking about market. What 10 year old cares about syncing his calendar, and what 10 year old prefers an openGL racecar game for $1 to legend of zelda, f-zero or super mario brothers?
My 11 year old daughter does - at least much of the time. She likes portable, handheld, simple games when she has just a few minutes. When she has a longer time to play, she'll play Super Mario, but the only time she has enough time for that, she's at home, so no need for a Nintendo 3DS (or any other portable). But for those few minutes riding to school or hanging around, she is likely to happily use an iPad. In fact, she's already saving her money for one.
Ha! Hell will freeze over first before Nintendo ever brings over any of their IPs to competing platforms. And we'll forget the Phillips CDi for the sake of argument.
Nintendo is in the business of selling software and HARDWARE. They are just well as known as Apple, for their secrecy, passion, perfectionist attitude, and ego.
True. People forget that Nintendo IS the Apple of consoles.
1. Closed business model
2. Mainly sells hardware for the Wii instead of just software
3. Focuses on UI instead of GHZ
4. The home screen screams OSX
5. Both the Wii and the iphone were all predicted to fail miserably but instead confused pundits as to why they were wildly successful.
After the iPad hits the streets, I feel bad for Nintendo, the aftershocks will be painful for them.
Nonsense.
iPad is too big to compete against pocketable gaming device like DS. People will play on iPad, but it will be in different market segment.
That being said, I'm wondering what sort of 3D will 3Ds have. even with camera tracking head and helping screen image to readjust, current DS hardware is too weak to really cope with that (my personal opinion) while creating acceptable image quality.
Is 3Ds actually going to be completely new product..?
Nintendo has not revealed how the 3D visuals will be achieved without special glasses, though head-tracking through an integrated camera is likely the simplest option. The method allows a system to track the position of a user's head with a camera and adjust the image on the screen accordingly.
If it is indeed glasses-free, it is likely a form of lenticular display.
This doesn't really compute...
If it is indeed glasses-free, it is likely a form of lenticular display.
There is already one DSi title using head tracking 3D. Looks awesome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf8udkeVcVs
So, those are lost to Nintendo right off the bat, then?
Yes, people like you who have clearly stated they would never buy a video game system are clearly lost to Nintendo.
Do you expect Nintendo to develop a telephone or tablet computer just to compete with your dollar?
Do you expect cattle farmers to grow spinach to compete for a share of the vegetarian market?
My 11 year old daughter does - at least much of the time. She likes portable, handheld, simple games when she has just a few minutes. When she has a longer time to play, she'll play Super Mario, but the only time she has enough time for that, she's at home, so no need for a Nintendo 3DS (or any other portable). But for those few minutes riding to school or hanging around, she is likely to happily use an iPad. In fact, she's already saving her money for one.
I shudder to think of an 11 year old working enough hours to be able to pay $500 for an iPad to play simple video games on it when she doesn't have time for Super Mario Bros. Either you have way too much money, or your daughter is skipping school to work and/or selling drugs.
Unless she's just your "imaginary" 11 year old girl. But that makes me shudder too.
I shudder to think of an 11 year old working enough hours to be able to pay $500 for an iPad to play simple video games on it when she doesn't have time for Super Mario Bros. Either you have way too much money, or your daughter is skipping school to work and/or selling drugs.
Well at least we have proof you've never played a single video game your entire life, because the Xbox or PS3 (obviously) never cost anywhere near or above 500 according to your logic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_launch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlaySta...ta_and_pricing
The XBox and PS3 are systems. Systems used for playing games. They don't even come with a screen attached, you have to hook them up to a screen. Imagine that.
Welcome to Earth. We have water here. It's wet.
The Nintendo DS is the best-selling portable videogame system of all time. It has shipped more than 125 million units since it debuted in 2004. But minor hardware revisions from Nintendo have not been enough to prevent the growth of the iPhone and iPod touch in the mobile gaming realm.
This week, it was revealed that Apple's mobile devices had taken a 19 percent share of the mobile gaming market. Apple is now estimated to control 5 percent of the revenue in a $10 billion industry, thanks to the popularity of the App Store.
However, wasn't 2009 a record year for the Nintendo DS?
This guy seems to think that Apple is basically irrelevant to Nintendo:
http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/20...do-with-apple/
Not BS in the least. Apple making major headway into the mobile gaming revenue is newsworthy and why Nintendo is concerned, as they've stated.
Really? Iwata's statements indicate otherwise:
http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/20...ing-the-i-pad/
http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/20...isrupt-gaming/
Being a juggernaut doesn't mean you can't lose marketshare or profit to a competitor
Wasn't 2009 a record year for the Nintedo DS?
But it's not just the iPhone they are worried about
Please show me a quote where they are expressing concern about the iPhone.
I mean come on, the DS has two(!) tiny(!) screens (which is just nuts to start with), and then you use a tiny stick to manipulate things on them? WTF? The DS is clearly destined to be simply an odd footnote in mobile computing if you ask me.
Are you joking? The Nintendo DS has sold more than 100 million units! Footnote? LOL.
Nintendo has publicly stated that they consider the iPod touch a threat to their portable gaming console.
Really? Source, please!
The issue Nintendo will face is if people need and will buy phones and the phones can provide games, what reason do they have to buy a DS too?
You ask them. 2009 was a record year for the DS. All these fancy phones, and the DS is selling like crazy.
Nintendo(one of my favorite companies on earth)anouched this thing WAAAY to early, they've just given sony ample time to create a competitor!
Or they are leading Sony down the wrong path:
http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/20...he-wrong-road/
After the iPad hits the streets, I feel bad for Nintendo, the aftershocks will be painful for them.
LOL. The iPad is basically irrelevant to Nintendo:
http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/20...ing-the-i-pad/
Please show me a quote where they are expressing concern about the iPhone.
Based on your other comments, most notably assuming that their current DS HW sales means that they aren't concerned about the future of their gaming sales, you'll likely have some reply trying to negate the validity of this WSJ article and quote. Note that, as I've previously stated, a CEO officially acknowledging the growth and threat of a competitor often means that they have something in the pipeline they feel will be successful to retain or improve their market position.Until you drop your personal feelings about Nintendo and Apple you're not going to be able to make an objective comment.
Are you joking? The Nintendo DS has sold more than 100 million units! Footnote? LOL.
Actually, it's 125M units, but that has no baring on Gazoobee's comment about MOBILE COMPUTING not HANDHELD GAMING. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not the market is changing and the future will be a multi-functional device, not a device that can do gaming well with limited functionality in other areas. Nintendo surely knows this, why don't you?
Nintendo has publicly stated that they consider the iPod touch a threat to their portable gaming console.
I think the exact quote was that they are more worried about the iPod touch / iphone than they are about the PSP. Which could mean that they're quite worried, slightly worried, or not worried in the slightest.
Yep - Nintendo announced this far too early. Strange particularly for them to do this.
Actually, announcing a product 8-12 months before launch is pretty standard in the gaming industry. If I remember rightly, PSP and DS were announced at the end of 2003, shown at E3 2004 and launched at the end of 2004.
Presumably development kits have already gone out, so it would only be a matter of time before word leaks out about the 3d capability, etc.
This doesn't really compute...
If it is indeed glasses-free, it is likely a form of lenticular display.
I'd rather Nintendo stops providing safe-harbor for shovelware instead of talking about their upcoming gimmicks. I've got a Wii packed away that's being gifted to someone who wants to play nothing more than Wii Sports.
If they weren't raping Mario for more coins, I'd pay attention to Nintendo again.
If you want to think about new gaming metaphors, think about this - an extensible LAN party map / surface game. Instead of a big-ass table (trademark by Microsoft Surface) - people can join the party with their own slice and extend the gameplay universe. Everyone who brings an iPad to the party, expands a competitive map and changes the course of the game. Now THAT could be - fun - something sorely lacking from Nintendo these days (outside a few tired threadbare franchises). Unless you want to play more WiiFit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iYBmAVuBns
Well at least we have proof you've never played a single video game your entire life, because the Xbox or PS3 (obviously) never cost anywhere near or above 500 according to your logic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_launch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlaySta...ta_and_pricing
The XBox and PS3 are systems. Systems used for playing games. They don't even come with a screen attached, you have to hook them up to a screen. Imagine that.
Welcome to Earth. We have water here. It's wet.
You don't seem to have followed the conversation. It would be a good idea for you to read the thread before posting, because your comment really has little to do with what I wrote.
Dude claimed his 11-year old daughter was saving up for an iPad because she doesn't always have time to play Super Mario on her Nintendo DS.
But you do get top points for being an ass! Yes, I have played video games, and just because the iPad costs as much as much a Playstation did at launch, does not mean it is competing for market share with Playstation3. Sorry, but it just doesn't. Maybe there is too much water where you live.