Apple launching iPad with explicit content in App Store

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  • Reply 21 of 110
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    Originally Posted by masstrkiller View Post


    I am sorry I have to agree with TECHSTUD on this. Apple sells computers and computer like devices. In this day and age we need not censor what you can view. This is personal Choice. Apple is not selling Nintendo DS or Wii's. Sorry but you are wrong. Plus your analogy comparison of Apple and Starbucks is just not even making sense.



    So you think that your personal choice overrides the corporate choice of the company running the store to sell what they feel like selling?



    What I meant by the Starbucks thing was, you cannot tell a store owner what to sell. You can, however, find a store that sells what you want to buy and then go ahead and buy it there. If the first guy doesn't have what you want, you move on to who does.
  • Reply 22 of 110
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    Originally Posted by Dslegends View Post


    Although it's a free country (so to speak) and everyone has rights to decide for themselves and their families what is acceptable and what is not, it is disappointing that porn (I assume the explicit category will largely contain porn) must find a new channel on these devices.



    It was inevitable I suppose, and I suspect this news will meet with fanfare to those businesses that produce such material. But I'm disappointed, it will likely overtake these devices / app store service as it has the web.



    The app store and/or itunes will likely become bloated on this stuff.



    Disappointing? Just don't download it. Explicit adult content will no doubt be in its own category so anyone who does not want it does not even have to look at it. Its simple and mature. I do not agree with censorship.
  • Reply 23 of 110
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    Originally Posted by technohermit View Post


    You can view all the porn you want on your Apple computer, Apple iPhone, and Apple TV. They just don't sell it. What's so hard for you to understand?



    What's the difference between not viewing/buying porn off the web and not viewing/buying porn off the App Store? There really isn't any. So you will be fine and so will thousands of other who don't want to. Its not any different. I am sure Playboy will have a magazine app so should we censor that? I mean when you walk into a magazine or a book store do they not have pornographic magazines They have them. Apple is setting the ipad to be a replacement/companion to the ailing magazine and book stores.
  • Reply 24 of 110
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,756member
    A perfect example of users themselves creating problems for Apple:



    "We don't want this filth!"



    "Down with censorship!"



    "We should have a choice!"



    "There's too much junk in the App Store!"



    "I should be able to view whatever *I* want on *my* iPhone!"



    "Apple shouldn't sell porn!"





    Apple doesn't need to make up their mind.



    WE do.
  • Reply 25 of 110
    isaidsoisaidso Posts: 750member
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    Originally Posted by ascii View Post


    They don't have a dedicated War Movies section in iTunes Store, a category I enjoy with a lot of classics, but they will be having a porno apps section?



    "Subject matter" is not the same as a "category".
  • Reply 26 of 110
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    Originally Posted by masstrkiller View Post


    What's the difference between not viewing/buying porn off the web and not viewing/buying porn off the App Store? There really isn't any. So you will be fine and so will thousands of other who don't want to. Its not any different. I am sure Playboy will have a magazine app so should we censor that? I mean when you walk into a magazine or a book store do they not have pornographic magazines They have them. Apple is setting the ipad to be a replacement/companion to the ailing magazine and book stores.



    I don't recall saying I didn't want to.



    I just said you're second in line to Apple when it comes to them selling stuff from their store. I also pointed out there are those other retailers who do, in fact, sell porn (or really anything you might want to buy that is explicit.) So, go there and pay them for it. Apple obviously doesn't want your money for that stuff or they'd sell it to you.
  • Reply 27 of 110
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    Originally Posted by technohermit View Post


    So you think that your personal choice overrides the corporate choice of the company running the store to sell what they feel like selling?



    What I meant by the Starbucks thing was, you cannot tell a store owner what to sell. You can, however, find a store that sells what you want to buy and then go ahead and buy it there. If the first guy doesn't have what you want, you move on to who does.



    I get your point on the Starbucks analogy. But Starbucks is selling coffee goods. They are not selling internet computer devices which are a completely different. No one goes to Starbucks to try and find their favorite magazine. They go there for coffee and the newspaper. And thats what they sell. It would not be in their best interest to sell pornography and every other category of books or magazine. Point being they are not a bookstore. Apple is attempting to recreate the book store. So how far do you want to go with censorship?
  • Reply 28 of 110
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    Originally Posted by masstrkiller View Post


    I get your point on the Starbucks analogy. But Starbucks is selling coffee goods. They are not selling internet computer devices which are a completely different. No one goes to Starbucks to try and find their favorite magazine. They go there for coffee and the newspaper. And thats what they sell. It would not be in their best interest to sell pornography and every other category of books or magazine. Point being they are not a bookstore. Apple is attempting to recreate the book store. So how far do you want to go with censorship?



    Censorship is not the appropriate word in this context, please refrain from using it.

    It's not like Apple sells you a Playboy, but with black bars over all of the boobies. They just don't sell that magazine. Buy it somewhere else.



    I was pissed off when I could buy both Bourne Identity and Bourne Supremacy, but not Bourne Ultimatum on my Apple TV. The damn movie came out in 2007! I wrote Apple about it.



    Were they censoring it? No, they just didn't offer it for sale. Sucked for Apple, too, because I bought it elsewhere.
  • Reply 29 of 110
    esummersesummers Posts: 953member
    I think Apple has a mistake there. Shouldn't 4+ be 4- or <4. Wouldn't 4+ imply mature content (i.e. 4 or older).
  • Reply 30 of 110
    esummersesummers Posts: 953member
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    Originally Posted by whatisgoingon View Post


    Yes, this is the category to put all the bikini apps into. It wasn't enough to make them 18+, explicit nudity. They must be in a completely separate category, Explicit, 18+, with a warning when the application is launched that all people displayed in the application are completely nude under their clothing.



    DISCLAIMER:



    We have removed all nudity under the cloths with Photoshop.
  • Reply 31 of 110
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    At the same time, Apple is under intense pressure from activist groups seeking to ban all access to adult material, including one group that addressed Steve Jobs at last year's shareholder meeting in a diatribe that implored Apple to not distribute CBS TV sitcoms in iTunes (which were originally broadcast over the air) because they contained mildly suggestive scenes.



    You cannot please one activist group without offending the activist group that hold the opposite beliefs of the first activist group. So who do you listen to?

    If you're government, you listen to the group with the most money.



    If you are a retailer, you listen to your actual customers. When Apple start getting feedback from the larger portion of their actual users, they will amend their business practices to suit them.



    I am not at all for censorship, and I abhor "activists".
  • Reply 32 of 110
    esummersesummers Posts: 953member
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    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    A perfect example of users themselves creating problems for Apple:



    "We don't want this filth!"



    "Down with censorship!"



    "We should have a choice!"



    "There's too much junk in the App Store!"



    "I should be able to view whatever *I* want on *my* iPhone!"



    "Apple shouldn't sell porn!"





    Apple doesn't need to make up their mind.



    WE do.



    Yes, but an either-or solution isn't required. Apple could make another version of the AppStore for each of those opinions.
  • Reply 33 of 110
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    Originally Posted by technohermit View Post


    Censorship is not the appropriate word in this context, please refrain from using it.

    It's not like Apple sells you a Playboy, but with black bars over all of the boobies. They just don't sell that magazine. Buy it somewhere else.



    I was pissed off when I could buy both Bourne Identity and Bourne Supremacy, but not Bourne Ultimatum on my Apple TV. The damn movie came out in 2007! I wrote Apple about it.



    Were they censoring it? No, they just didn't offer it for sale. Sucked for Apple, too, because I bought it elsewhere.



    You are missing the point. Censorship is the exclusion of an entire category of material. In this case it is explicit adult content. You comparing this to not being able to buy the third installment of the Jason Bourne series is not censorship and has more to do with legal rights to sell it from the company that owns it. It has nothing to do with censorship!



    Apple is attempting to recreate the book/magazine store via electronic way. Why censor? Its a book store! I am not saying that Apple MUST sell explicit content. It is their right to sell whatever they want or feel is appropriate. But what I think is happening is Apple realizes that the time is coming to open the app store up because it has a serious reputation among developers of being way to closed. I won't pretend to know exactly what Apple is up to or its motives. But its part of a guess.



    I also believe that Apple does not want to be too closed in its app store.



    I am against censorship. But I do not fail to realize that Apple has the right to sell what they want.
  • Reply 34 of 110
    esummersesummers Posts: 953member
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    Originally Posted by masstrkiller View Post


    You are missing the point. Censorship is the exclusion of an entire category of material. In this case it is explicit adult content. You comparing this to not being able to buy the third installment of the Jason Bourne series is not censorship and has more to do with legal rights to sell it from the company that owns it. It has nothing to do with censorship!



    Apple is attempting to recreate the book/magazine store via electronic way. Why censor? Its a book store! I am not saying that Apple MUST sell explicit content. It is their right to sell whatever they want or feel is appropriate. But what I think is happening is Apple realizes that the time is coming to open the app store up because it has a serious reputation among developers of being way to closed. I won't pretend to know exactly what Apple is up to or its motives. But its part of a guess.



    I also believe that Apple does not want to be too closed in its app store.



    I am against censorship. But I do not fail to realize that Apple has the right to sell what they want.



    Too many people don't understand what censorship means. They only have the power of not being fully open, as you said. Apple doesn't have the power for censorship. For it to be censorship, they would have to get the entire country to ban mature content. Only the government holds that power.
  • Reply 35 of 110
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    iTunes parental controls



    The system uses the same parental controls preferences (below) that can restrict movies to the MPAA-designated "G, PG, PG-13, and R" ratings, or TV shows to the broadcaster-initiated "TV-Y, TV-Y7, TV-G, TV-PG, TV-14 and TV-MA" classifications.



    Currently, Apple has its own rating system for App Store software titles, which sets thresholds at "4+, 9+, 12+, and 17+." However, the company has prohibited the sale of explicit software that includes pornography or other adult subject matter, at times removing titles it deemed obscene.



    Do you have to set these controls in iTunes before they will work? I mean if you have a iTunes account and they know you are only, say 13, it currently lets download games rated 17, which seems strange to me
  • Reply 36 of 110
    esummersesummers Posts: 953member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    Do you have to set these controls in iTunes before they will work? I mean if you have a iTunes account and they know you are only, say 13, it currently lets download games rated 17, which seems strange to me



    Someone with a credit card has to set it when they open the account. If you know someone under the age of 17 with a credit card, then they must be pretty clever. I'm not sure about free content though, there may be a loophole there. You would have to try it and see.



    Although the rating system does say 12+. I suppose a rating of 17 is higher then 12.
  • Reply 37 of 110
    ajitmdajitmd Posts: 365member
    Apple could have a separate adult store... call it iAdult or something like that. Charge 70% of the sales for the adult stuff including the XXX content.



    It could really become a real profit center as well as drive the demand for the iPhone/Pod, iPad, etc.



    However, I do not think that SJ wants to leave a porn legacy like the Flynn or HH from Playboy. Even though he has been successful with making money, that is not his driving force.
  • Reply 38 of 110
    esummersesummers Posts: 953member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AjitMD View Post


    Apple could have a separate adult store... call it iAdult or something like that. Charge 70% of the sales for the adult stuff including the XXX content.



    It could really become a real profit center as well as drive the demand for the iPhone/Pod, iPad, etc.



    However, I do not think that SJ wants to leave a porn legacy like the Flynn or HH from Playboy. Even though he has been successful with making money, that is not his driving force.



    I don't know. I think HH has a pretty good public image.
  • Reply 39 of 110
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by masstrkiller View Post


    You are missing the point. Censorship is the exclusion of an entire category of material. In this case it is explicit adult content. You comparing this to not being able to buy the third installment of the Jason Bourne series is not censorship and has more to do with legal rights to sell it from the company that owns it. It has nothing to do with censorship!



    Apple is attempting to recreate the book/magazine store via electronic way. Why censor? Its a book store! I am not saying that Apple MUST sell explicit content. It is their right to sell whatever they want or feel is appropriate. But what I think is happening is Apple realizes that the time is coming to open the app store up because it has a serious reputation among developers of being way to closed. I won't pretend to know exactly what Apple is up to or its motives. But its part of a guess.



    I also believe that Apple does not want to be too closed in its app store.



    I am against censorship. But I do not fail to realize that Apple has the right to sell what they want.



    As I said, neither does your argument. Excluding content from a retail store by the owner of the store is not censorship. If they placed the material up for sale, but edited it so any "offending" parts were removed or blacked out, then that would be censorship. You are only calling it censorship because it is an explicit category.



    However, a retailer not offering a subset of items from their general category of sales doesn't make it censorship. If they didn't sell non-fiction books, would you consider those censored?



    Have they then in fact, under your new definition of censorship, censored the mid-range headless Mac? Would that be censorship? It certainly is offensive to some people that they don't sell a mid-range expandable tower.....
  • Reply 40 of 110
    alandailalandail Posts: 696member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by technohermit View Post


    So you think that your personal choice overrides the corporate choice of the company running the store to sell what they feel like selling?



    What I meant by the Starbucks thing was, you cannot tell a store owner what to sell. You can, however, find a store that sells what you want to buy and then go ahead and buy it there. If the first guy doesn't have what you want, you move on to who does.



    except there is only one store to buy apps for the iPhone/iPod touch/iPad, so in this case you can't just shop another store. If Apple is going to be the only outlet for developers to sell their apps, they can't impose their own corporate values on the kinds of apps that can be developed.
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