Apple launching iPad with explicit content in App Store

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  • Reply 61 of 110
    If women posted in the same numbers as men did in Forums like these, I wonder what the conversation in this thread would have been like.
  • Reply 62 of 110
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    Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post
    I see that Techstud has been banned again.




    Hey, are you sure it's not April 1st......
  • Reply 63 of 110
    evadevad Posts: 11member
    Its amazing how many people here are supporting the idea that content should be limited (or censored) because they don't like it. I find it extraordinary and mean spirited, and far more morally dubious than a few wobbly tits. To force ones prudish outlook onto others, how disgusting!



    Apple is attempting to replace (or at least compete with) traditional outlets for books and magazines. Why should it ban a whole category of content? Just like many magazine shops around the western world, it can put the sexual ones on its top shelf --- using parental controls.



    Personally, I think the whole thing is ridiculous; how can it be that sex is bad and degrading, and yet lopping off someones head or blowing them away with a hand canon is fine? Our society is so fucked up, ...
  • Reply 64 of 110
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    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    A perfect example of users themselves creating problems for Apple:



    "We don't want this filth!"



    "Down with censorship!"



    "We should have a choice!"



    "There's too much junk in the App Store!"



    "I should be able to view whatever *I* want on *my* iPhone!"



    "Apple shouldn't sell porn!"





    Apple doesn't need to make up their mind.



    WE do.



    WE have do nothing, since We put the money in Apple's pocket. Apple has to cater for all their customers (at least high majority). Part of doing business with in consumer market
  • Reply 65 of 110
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
    It is a somewhat narrowly focused censorship. But not censorship in the way people to sensationalize. Apple actively does little to nothing to stop porn on its devices. Apple actually provides the tools necessary for anyone to deliver porn to its devices.



    Apple does not directly participate in the distribution of it, there is no reason why they have to.



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    Originally Posted by masstrkiller View Post


    I think you did not even read my post with this response. I understand as I said previously that any retailer can sell whatever they want and not sell whatever they want. The term censorship is somewhat correct. You can look this up if you want but this is a form of corporate censorship.



    Corporate censorship is the process by which editors in corporate media outlets intervene to halt the publishing of information that portrays their business or business partners in a negative light.



  • Reply 66 of 110
    abster2coreabster2core Posts: 2,501member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Hey, are you sure it's not April 1st......



    A little early.



    His name, i.e., Techstud, has been delisted for the advanced search option. Although he has some old posts, e.g., #6 on http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...hreadid=108098. Notice the Banned designation under his name.



    In addition, his other monikor, Teckstud, has also been terminated.
  • Reply 67 of 110
    alandailalandail Posts: 696member
    I don't think anyone has addressed the point I made earlier. Specifically for iDevice apps, developers have no choice but to sell them through the app store. There is no other way to sell (or even give away) an app. Because of this, Apple needs to be more accommodating than they are with other media they sell.



    I see nothing wrong with an explicit filter that defaults to not showing the explicit material to allow explicit apps. On the contrary, I see something very wrong with not doing this and preventing those developers from selling their apps at all.



    If you could sell apps without going through the iTunes store like you can for the mac, Apple wouldn't need to do this. But because it is, rejection of apps has become a huge issue, and rightfully so.



    For those concerned that a kid would be smart enough to turn off the filter, those same kids are smart enough to turn off the safe search filter in google. If they have an iPad/iPhone/iPod touch, they have a web browser.
  • Reply 68 of 110
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
    Come one now, lets be real. Porn has nothing to do with actual real adult healthy human sexuality. Porn makes an extremely bad example of real life relationships and sexuality.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by evad View Post


    Personally, I think the whole thing is ridiculous; how can it be that sex is bad and degrading, and yet lopping off someones head or blowing them away with a hand canon is fine? Our society is so fucked up, ...



  • Reply 69 of 110
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
    There are no porn apps for the Mac. Why can they not sell porn on the iPhone/iPad the same way they sell it for the Mac?



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by alandail View Post


    I don't think anyone has addressed the point I made earlier. Specifically for iDevice apps, developers have no choice but to sell them through the app store. There is no other way to sell (or even give away) an app. Because of this, Apple needs to be more accommodating.



    If you could sell apps without going through the iTunes store like you can for the mac, Apple wouldn't need to do this.



  • Reply 70 of 110
    alandailalandail Posts: 696member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post


    It is a somewhat narrowly focused censorship. But not censorship in the way people to sensationalize. Apple actively does little to nothing to stop porn on its devices. Apple actually provides the tools necessary for anyone to deliver porn to its devices.



    Apple does not directly participate in the distribution of it, there is no reason why they have to.



    I just posted why there is a clear reason for them to now participate. The exclusivity of the iTunes store as a means for distributing apps. And it is a huge hump in logic to assume "explicit" only means "porn". Apple pulled an app that sold bikinis.
  • Reply 71 of 110
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
    The exclusivity is only for native apps. There is no reason why anyone cannot build a web app delivering any content they choose. We already know why.



    From a web design perspective most of the porn websites available are total garbage. Put together by hacks playing to the lowest common denominator. Why do they not hire talented web designers to build better sites? These outfits appear to be run by lazy people with no taste. Apple does not want to ruin the App Store with that crap.



    Its possible if some number of porn web developers had gone through the effort to design really nice web apps for the iPhone, Apple may be a little more willing to allow some of them in.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by alandail View Post


    I just posted why there is a clear reason for them to now participate. The exclusivity of the iTunes store as a means for distributing apps. And it is a huge hump in logic to assume "explicit" only means "porn". Apple pulled an app that sold bikinis.



  • Reply 72 of 110
    icyfogicyfog Posts: 338member
    If true, it's yet more good new for Apple, and especially good news for porn lovers.
  • Reply 73 of 110
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    Originally Posted by alandail View Post


    except there is only one store to buy apps for the iPhone/iPod touch/iPad, so in this case you can't just shop another store. If Apple is going to be the only outlet for developers to sell their apps, they can't impose their own corporate values on the kinds of apps that can be developed.



    Exactly. They cannot impose their will on apps that will be developed. But they don't have to sell them.
  • Reply 74 of 110
    abster2coreabster2core Posts: 2,501member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by alandail View Post


    I just posted why there is a clear reason for them to now participate. The exclusivity of the iTunes store as a means for distributing apps. And it is a huge hump in logic to assume "explicit" only means "porn". Apple pulled an app that sold bikinis.



    And after reviewing it, put it back a couple of days later.



    Interesting all the rumors about '5,000' sexy apps being permanently removed and nobody has identified one. Either Apple had every right to do so, it didn't happen, nobody cares or a bit of each. Much like my corner store owner disallowing certain magazines on his shelves, except that it happened and the neighborhood cared.
  • Reply 75 of 110
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post
    I see that Techstud has been banned again.




    This means what exactly?
  • Reply 76 of 110
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by evad View Post


    Its amazing how many people here are supporting the idea that content should be limited (or censored) because they don't like it. I find it extraordinary and mean spirited, and far more morally dubious than a few wobbly tits. To force ones prudish outlook onto others, how disgusting!



    Apple is attempting to replace (or at least compete with) traditional outlets for books and magazines. Why should it ban a whole category of content? Just like many magazine shops around the western world, it can put the sexual ones on its top shelf --- using parental controls.



    Personally, I think the whole thing is ridiculous; how can it be that sex is bad and degrading, and yet lopping off someones head or blowing them away with a hand canon is fine? Our society is so fucked up, ...



    The point I am missing is that if you want eBooks/magazines with nudity, you can buy them elsewhere and load them onto your device. Porn, on the other hand, can be viewed through Safari, or through iTunes if you have it on your computer already.



    How is it censorship? You can get it elsewhere, and still put it on your devices.
  • Reply 77 of 110
    icyfogicyfog Posts: 338member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post


    And after reviewing it, put it back a couple of days later.



    Either Apple had every right to do so, it didn't happen, nobody cares or a bit of each. Much like my corner store owner disallowing certain magazines on his shelves, except that it happened and the neighborhood cared.



    Apple owns the store; Apple can choose what to sell or what not to sell.

    Apple doesn't need its rights granted. Apple grants its own rights. So yeah, Apple had every right to do so.
  • Reply 78 of 110
    alandailalandail Posts: 696member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post


    The exclusivity is only for native apps. There is no reason why anyone cannot build a web app delivering any content they choose. We already know why.



    From a web design perspective most of the porn websites available are total garbage. Put together by hacks playing to the lowest common denominator. Why do they not hire talented web designers to build better sites? These outfits appear to be run by lazy people with no taste. Apple does not want to ruin the App Store with that crap.



    Its possible if some number of porn web developers had gone through the effort to design really nice web apps for the iPhone, Apple may be a little more willing to allow some of them in.



    sure, you can build web apps, but there are quite a few advantages in building native apps instead. Better development tools, better performance, better UI, better functionality, etc.



    Suppose someone has an idea for an app that would be considered "explicit" by apple for whatever reason and that idea depends on multi-touch or the accelerometer or location tracking. How are they going to do that in a web app? If they have to develop a native app, how do they distribute that app if they can't sell it through the app store.
  • Reply 79 of 110
    alandailalandail Posts: 696member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by technohermit View Post


    Exactly. They cannot impose their will on apps that will be developed. But they don't have to sell them.



    by being the exclusive means to distribute apps, they are imposing their will on what can be developed. By being the exclusive point of distribution, they have an obligation to allow more content in apps than any other media they sell. You can buy digital music elsewhere, you can buy digital movies elsewhere, you can buy digital books elsewhere. You can't buy (or even download for free) iApps anywhere else.
  • Reply 80 of 110
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by alandail View Post


    by being the exclusive means to distribute apps, they are imposing their will on what can be developed. By being the exclusive point of distribution, they have an obligation to allow more content in apps than any other media they sell. You can buy digital music elsewhere, you can buy digital movies elsewhere, you can buy digital books elsewhere. You can't buy (or even download for free) iApps anywhere else.



    Then move on to another platform that will allow what you want. When Apple loses enough customers, they will change the way they do business.
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