This is really interesting. To a certain extent, I think they naysayers are right, that people don't know what they're getting. They THINK they know what they're getting, you can look at the videos and the demos, but you'll never know how you're going to use any product day to day until you've have it for a while.
A neighbour is pickup up two on Saturday, and I'll have mine in my hot little hands on Sunday. Personally, I'm imagining that it will function as the "house computer"- it will float around between the kitchen, living room, and bedroom. In my mind I see using it as our new alarm clock, a remote for the AppleTV, a book, and a couch-side internet browser.
This is a new product category. It's going to fill a lot of the same uses as a netbook, but without a traditional computer OS, which is making some people immediately dismissive. I think anything that gets put forth that changes how we interact with our files in the current OS form is going to be met with criticism the same way that mouse and pointer interface did when people only knew command prompt. I'm USED to files and folders on my computer, but I can't imagine that's the end of development and there's no where more streamlined and intuitive to go.
Even more intriguing is the fact that we really aren't even seeing the whole product here. Who knows what enhancements OS4.0 will bring in June? And who knows what crazy applications developers will come up with that broaden the scope of what the iPad is capable of. There are iPhone applications to allow you to remotely use your computer desktop. Imagine how much more functional that idea will be on the iPad.
On the other side, with strong sales and dropping component prices, and entry level iPad could be $299 in a couple of years. Price is always a barrier for some people, and just like with the iPhone, the more they can put the price down the more people enter the target market.
I know the first time I showed the iPad video to my parents, they said, "I could see using that.".
As prices drop and functionality increases, it will be interesting to see how the device integrates into the computer landscape.
Are they paying the extra fee for UPS to have all the pre-orderes delivered on a Saturday???
Probably made some kind of deal with UPS. The volume of deliveries is such that delivering on an off day would make it easier and lessen the strain. Gotta figure each UPS distribution center is probably getting a few thousand iPads. I'm guessing.
This is great! I suspect that there is a very large number of purchases by companys that plan on testing the iPad. The company I work for is planning to begin testing immediately.
This weekend at a party I talked to a guy buying five of them for evaluation at his firm. He told me they are already writing custom apps. And, to my considerable surprise, I just found out that my company is even buying one for evaluation. My company is one of the most technologically backwards places you could imagine. We are still running Windows XP and have no plans to upgrade to Windows 7. We still only officially support WinMo smartphones. My company is basically the corporate equivalent of an 80 year old grandma when it comes to computer technology.
It could be another decade of pain for apple haters.
Not even one customer had this product in their hands! Must be great to have so many stupid loyal customers. SCTR :P
What do you call people who judge the action of others whom they never met and do not really know?
Bigots.
They are the ones who outshout others deluded that is the way to get their point across in public forums.
They are in the same group of people who murder their adversaries because they believe in the sanctity of life (re: abortion debate).
******
bigot
Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: \\?bi-g?t\\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1660
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
It will probably effect low end mac sales, especially in schools that may be able to rely entirely on an iPad. It will also get them in to budget constrained schools that were previously on a net book strategy. [...]
[...] Especially if Apple releases a hybrid OS X / iPad device. Such a device was rumored. I wouldn't be surprised to see it late this year at the earliest. [...] Making a hybrid OS would allow them to gracefully advance OS X by allowing them to incrementally update the iPad side until it surpasses the legacy Cocoa side.
Some schools might do this, but it would be a mistake for schools to purchase iPads instead of Desktop systems. It most likely will turn out to be a useful educational tool in some situations, especially in earlier grades where children learn particularly well by physical manipulation, but it's not a replacement for a full system, nor does it offer the same functionality or experience. (Nor is it intended to.) And it's also doesn't fit the use case scenarios of netbooks, so, if it actually made sense for them to buy netbooks before, they should continue to do so. The worst thing for the iPad in the education market would be for it to be inappropriately used and develop a reputation as being unsuitable for educational purposes.
I also don't think we'll be seeing a "hybrid OSX /iPad device" any time soon, and I think they are doing a good job of "gracefully" advancing OS X right now; it's not like Cocoa is some nasty legacy cruft. The main thing they need to do with OS X right now is dump the carbon support and dependencies, but I don't think they'll do that by reimplementing everything with Cocoa Touch as the base.
How does strong sales of a new device equate to "stupid loyal customers"? This is a device that has been eagerly anticipated by many, and many of those are outside of the typical fanbase for Apple. This is a product type that has had lots of interest for a LONG time now. Apple has proven to produce a fantastic product in the past, just look at the iPhone as the most recent example, so it's no great surprise that the iPad is enjoying strong initial sales. How many preorder copies of Vista did Microsoft sale, or Windows 7? I'm going to guess it was in the millions, and yet not one "stupid loyal customer" had the release version of those operating systems in their hands either.
Yes I am a loyal Apple customer. However, loyalty is something that must be earned, at least in my case. For me, Apple has done just that from iPod to Mac Pro to iPhone, and now to iPad. If I hadn't had excellent products from Apple along the way, there is no way I would shell out the money for this particular product. History however, my personal history, has shown Apple to produce high quality devices that are a pleasure to use. Of course I have my reservations such as lack of Flash support, no secondary storage like an SD card slot, and no real multi-tasking as of yet. Hopefully however Apple will address at least the multi-tasking issue soon.
Anyway, I'll be looking for my shipping notice throughout the day.
Please don't overrate my "stupid" statement about those customers spending money on a product that they haven't seen. But maybe it is possible that for a lot of people the iPad may be too small, too heavy or too shiny compared to their imagination? Or maybe a lot of people still don't know the possible drawbacks? For instance that you can't dock it in landscape orientation, or that the iPad may tilt when it lays down on a table and you type on it?
On your other point: 8 million people tried the beta of Windows 7 for a long time and there was even a Release Candidate to test for months. The final product was finished two months or so before shipping and that's why there were a lot of reviews available at launch. So it is completely different, IMO.
10 000 000? Not bad. What about iTunes? Current version supports iPad or we should see iTunes update in next few days?
They'll have to update iTunes. Guaranteed.
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Originally Posted by RichL
Wow, I never realised that the netbook market was so large. I guess Apple could easily sell 8-10 million in such a big pond.
It is now. With these totals I have to wonder if the entire tablet sales totals for all vendors for all years will be less than the iPad sales in this one year.
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Originally Posted by Garion
My feeling is that all these early adopters who have preordered an iPad unseen KNOW what the iPad is and isn't, and have decided that this is a device they would find useful and enjoyable. Nothing stupid about that, is there?
As well as a long history with Apple products. I wonder how their competitors are doing on pre-orders.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
No..... Apple is doomed!™
That seems to work like a dream catcher to keep the trolls away.
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Originally Posted by dlcmh
Bad, bad Apple, how long do I have to wait before you decide to release the iPad in my part of the world?
As long as it takes for people to buy them on Saturday and ship them back to the continent they just came from for the grey market?
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Originally Posted by mrkoolaid
And the 3g iPad numbers haven't been account for yet, this will be a real "game-changer"!!
edit: Scratch that, he's just doing iGenius, under his new alias', shtick.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Apple is now more valuable than GE or Walmart.
MSFT next. XOM not too far...... (then I start to worry).
I'm getting a bit worried as they approach MSFT, too. They are 50B from MSFT and 25B ahead of Google.
Some schools might do this, but it would be a mistake for schools to purchase iPads instead of Desktop systems. It most likely will turn out to be a useful educational tool in some situations, especially in earlier grades where children learn particularly well by physical manipulation, but it's not a replacement for a full system, nor does it offer the same functionality or experience. (Nor is it intended to.) And it's also doesn't fit the use case scenarios of netbooks, so, if it actually made sense for them to buy netbooks before, they should continue to do so. The worst thing for the iPad in the education market would be for it to be inappropriately used and develop a reputation as being unsuitable for educational purposes.
I'm really not sure how you don't see the iPad as a viable replacement for schools looking to netbooks for students. What functionality do netbooks offer for educational purposes that the iPad doesn't offer? I'm not trying to just be argumentative here, I'm really curious as to what you see as lacking in the iPad for this purpose. The benefits of the iPad seem pretty obvious in that it is an inherently more secure device, and SHOULD be more reliable over the long run with no moving parts such as hard drives or a tilting screen. As a student myself (very part time) I can't see needing to do anything school related that this device wouldn't cover. Taking notes, writing papers, Internet research, e-textbooks, e-mail, calendar, this seems a really good fit for education. The App Store goes a long way to shielding most users from malicious software further making the case for an iPad being a good netbook replacement. So once again I ask why would the iPad be a bad netbook replacement for students?
Please don't overrate my "stupid" statement about those customers spending money on a product that they haven't seen.
You called people stupid for buying an iPad without seeing one first. I don't think there's a lot of room to misunderstand that. If that isn't what you meant, you might want to have someone else proofread your posts before you hit submit. However, it's pretty clear that it IS what you meant, and that's a pretty confrontational statement to make on what is clearly an Apple-centric (and in a pro-Apple way) rumor and discussion site. If you're surprised at the negative response, the Internet might not be for you.
This is really interesting. To a certain extent, I think they naysayers are right, that people don't know what they're getting. They THINK they know what they're getting, you can look at the videos and the demos, but you'll never know how you're going to use any product day to day until you've have it for a while.
A neighbour is pickup up two on Saturday, and I'll have mine in my hot little hands on Sunday. Personally, I'm imagining that it will function as the "house computer"- it will float around between the kitchen, living room, and bedroom. In my mind I see using it as our new alarm clock, a remote for the AppleTV, a book, and a couch-side internet browser.
This is a new product category. It's going to fill a lot of the same uses as a netbook, but without a traditional computer OS, which is making some people immediately dismissive. I think anything that gets put forth that changes how we interact with our files in the current OS form is going to be met with criticism the same way that mouse and pointer interface did when people only knew command prompt. I'm USED to files and folders on my computer, but I can't imagine that's the end of development and there's no where more streamlined and intuitive to go.
Even more intriguing is the fact that we really aren't even seeing the whole product here. Who knows what enhancements OS4.0 will bring in June? And who knows what crazy applications developers will come up with that broaden the scope of what the iPad is capable of. There are iPhone applications to allow you to remotely use your computer desktop. Imagine how much more functional that idea will be on the iPad.
On the other side, with strong sales and dropping component prices, and entry level iPad could be $299 in a couple of years. Price is always a barrier for some people, and just like with the iPhone, the more they can put the price down the more people enter the target market.
I know the first time I showed the iPad video to my parents, they said, "I could see using that.".
As prices drop and functionality increases, it will be interesting to see how the device integrates into the computer landscape.
Actually, I'm going to keep one in my Ready Room, and probably another one in my quarters, in case Riker comes knocking with yet another stupid question that I'll need to answer for him. Gods I wish that man would think for himself once in a while. Maybe I'll get him an iPad for the eXchanging of Material Assets Sympathetically holiday when we dock at the next space station.
In a new note to investors, analyst Katy Huberty with Morgan Stanley said suppliers for the iPad have currently forecast 2.5 million iPads to be shipped in the first three months of availability, from March to May. In all, Apple will ship between 8 million and 10 million by the end of 2010, suppliers said -- a number much higher than the previous expectation of 5 million.
Huberty said the upward revisions to iPad build rates "point to strong initial pre-orders." Every one million iPads shipped equates to roughly 25 cents of earnings per share. A strong iPad debut, she said, sets up for "significant earnings upside."
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Oh, and Apple is Doomed!™
A neighbour is pickup up two on Saturday, and I'll have mine in my hot little hands on Sunday. Personally, I'm imagining that it will function as the "house computer"- it will float around between the kitchen, living room, and bedroom. In my mind I see using it as our new alarm clock, a remote for the AppleTV, a book, and a couch-side internet browser.
This is a new product category. It's going to fill a lot of the same uses as a netbook, but without a traditional computer OS, which is making some people immediately dismissive. I think anything that gets put forth that changes how we interact with our files in the current OS form is going to be met with criticism the same way that mouse and pointer interface did when people only knew command prompt. I'm USED to files and folders on my computer, but I can't imagine that's the end of development and there's no where more streamlined and intuitive to go.
Even more intriguing is the fact that we really aren't even seeing the whole product here. Who knows what enhancements OS4.0 will bring in June? And who knows what crazy applications developers will come up with that broaden the scope of what the iPad is capable of. There are iPhone applications to allow you to remotely use your computer desktop. Imagine how much more functional that idea will be on the iPad.
On the other side, with strong sales and dropping component prices, and entry level iPad could be $299 in a couple of years. Price is always a barrier for some people, and just like with the iPhone, the more they can put the price down the more people enter the target market.
I know the first time I showed the iPad video to my parents, they said, "I could see using that.".
As prices drop and functionality increases, it will be interesting to see how the device integrates into the computer landscape.
P.S. How about a MBP refresh now that the iPad is shipping, please?
'nother month, bra
Are they paying the extra fee for UPS to have all the pre-orderes delivered on a Saturday???
Probably made some kind of deal with UPS. The volume of deliveries is such that delivering on an off day would make it easier and lessen the strain. Gotta figure each UPS distribution center is probably getting a few thousand iPads. I'm guessing.
We're all doomed Dec. 12, 2012
Until then, way to go Apple
Let me correct that for you. It's December 21, 2012. Apple is DOOMED!?
This is great! I suspect that there is a very large number of purchases by companys that plan on testing the iPad. The company I work for is planning to begin testing immediately.
This weekend at a party I talked to a guy buying five of them for evaluation at his firm. He told me they are already writing custom apps. And, to my considerable surprise, I just found out that my company is even buying one for evaluation. My company is one of the most technologically backwards places you could imagine. We are still running Windows XP and have no plans to upgrade to Windows 7. We still only officially support WinMo smartphones. My company is basically the corporate equivalent of an 80 year old grandma when it comes to computer technology.
It could be another decade of pain for apple haters.
Not even one customer had this product in their hands! Must be great to have so many stupid loyal customers. SCTR :P
What do you call people who judge the action of others whom they never met and do not really know?
Bigots.
They are the ones who outshout others deluded that is the way to get their point across in public forums.
They are in the same group of people who murder their adversaries because they believe in the sanctity of life (re: abortion debate).
******
bigot
Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: \\?bi-g?t\\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1660
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
It seems my six million iPad in 2010 estimate was way low. Many people I know, including those who never owned a Mac, are planning on getting one.
Oh, and Apple is Doomed!?
I estimated 10.5 million total Tablet sales for 2010-- with 10 million iPads and 1/2 million to the competition.
If Huberty estimates 10 million, I should prolly revise mine upwards!
Oh, and Doomsayers are Doomed!
Aside to AI-- we need a "doomed" emoticon!
*
It will probably effect low end mac sales, especially in schools that may be able to rely entirely on an iPad. It will also get them in to budget constrained schools that were previously on a net book strategy. [...]
[...] Especially if Apple releases a hybrid OS X / iPad device. Such a device was rumored. I wouldn't be surprised to see it late this year at the earliest. [...] Making a hybrid OS would allow them to gracefully advance OS X by allowing them to incrementally update the iPad side until it surpasses the legacy Cocoa side.
Some schools might do this, but it would be a mistake for schools to purchase iPads instead of Desktop systems. It most likely will turn out to be a useful educational tool in some situations, especially in earlier grades where children learn particularly well by physical manipulation, but it's not a replacement for a full system, nor does it offer the same functionality or experience. (Nor is it intended to.) And it's also doesn't fit the use case scenarios of netbooks, so, if it actually made sense for them to buy netbooks before, they should continue to do so. The worst thing for the iPad in the education market would be for it to be inappropriately used and develop a reputation as being unsuitable for educational purposes.
I also don't think we'll be seeing a "hybrid OSX /iPad device" any time soon, and I think they are doing a good job of "gracefully" advancing OS X right now; it's not like Cocoa is some nasty legacy cruft. The main thing they need to do with OS X right now is dump the carbon support and dependencies, but I don't think they'll do that by reimplementing everything with Cocoa Touch as the base.
Rounding Error!
Agreed. Speaking of which, Ballmer's been awfully quiet regarding this magical device. Or have I just missed his deragatory comments this go around?
How does strong sales of a new device equate to "stupid loyal customers"? This is a device that has been eagerly anticipated by many, and many of those are outside of the typical fanbase for Apple. This is a product type that has had lots of interest for a LONG time now. Apple has proven to produce a fantastic product in the past, just look at the iPhone as the most recent example, so it's no great surprise that the iPad is enjoying strong initial sales. How many preorder copies of Vista did Microsoft sale, or Windows 7? I'm going to guess it was in the millions, and yet not one "stupid loyal customer" had the release version of those operating systems in their hands either.
Yes I am a loyal Apple customer. However, loyalty is something that must be earned, at least in my case. For me, Apple has done just that from iPod to Mac Pro to iPhone, and now to iPad. If I hadn't had excellent products from Apple along the way, there is no way I would shell out the money for this particular product. History however, my personal history, has shown Apple to produce high quality devices that are a pleasure to use. Of course I have my reservations such as lack of Flash support, no secondary storage like an SD card slot, and no real multi-tasking as of yet. Hopefully however Apple will address at least the multi-tasking issue soon.
Anyway, I'll be looking for my shipping notice throughout the day.
Please don't overrate my "stupid" statement about those customers spending money on a product that they haven't seen. But maybe it is possible that for a lot of people the iPad may be too small, too heavy or too shiny compared to their imagination? Or maybe a lot of people still don't know the possible drawbacks? For instance that you can't dock it in landscape orientation, or that the iPad may tilt when it lays down on a table and you type on it?
On your other point: 8 million people tried the beta of Windows 7 for a long time and there was even a Release Candidate to test for months. The final product was finished two months or so before shipping and that's why there were a lot of reviews available at launch. So it is completely different, IMO.
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/new...-beta-ever.ars
I guess you call it consumer confidence. Wonder what the pre-order figures for iPad's competitors are????
Really great point here. I doubt that any iPad competitor will ever come close to the pre-order numbers that Apple has posted for the iPad.
Agreed. Speaking of which, Ballmer's been awfully quiet regarding this magical device. Or have I just missed his deragatory comments this go around?
He stuffed a sock in his mouth, because he wants Bing to be the default search engine for iPhones and iPads.
10 000 000? Not bad. What about iTunes? Current version supports iPad or we should see iTunes update in next few days?
They'll have to update iTunes. Guaranteed.
Wow, I never realised that the netbook market was so large. I guess Apple could easily sell 8-10 million in such a big pond.
It is now. With these totals I have to wonder if the entire tablet sales totals for all vendors for all years will be less than the iPad sales in this one year.
My feeling is that all these early adopters who have preordered an iPad unseen KNOW what the iPad is and isn't, and have decided that this is a device they would find useful and enjoyable. Nothing stupid about that, is there?
As well as a long history with Apple products. I wonder how their competitors are doing on pre-orders.
No..... Apple is doomed!™
That seems to work like a dream catcher to keep the trolls away.
Bad, bad Apple, how long do I have to wait before you decide to release the iPad in my part of the world?
As long as it takes for people to buy them on Saturday and ship them back to the continent they just came from for the grey market?
And the 3g iPad numbers haven't been account for yet, this will be a real "game-changer"!!
edit: Scratch that, he's just doing iGenius, under his new alias', shtick.
Apple is now more valuable than GE or Walmart.
MSFT next. XOM not too far...... (then I start to worry).
I'm getting a bit worried as they approach MSFT, too. They are 50B from MSFT and 25B ahead of Google.
Some schools might do this, but it would be a mistake for schools to purchase iPads instead of Desktop systems. It most likely will turn out to be a useful educational tool in some situations, especially in earlier grades where children learn particularly well by physical manipulation, but it's not a replacement for a full system, nor does it offer the same functionality or experience. (Nor is it intended to.) And it's also doesn't fit the use case scenarios of netbooks, so, if it actually made sense for them to buy netbooks before, they should continue to do so. The worst thing for the iPad in the education market would be for it to be inappropriately used and develop a reputation as being unsuitable for educational purposes.
I'm really not sure how you don't see the iPad as a viable replacement for schools looking to netbooks for students. What functionality do netbooks offer for educational purposes that the iPad doesn't offer? I'm not trying to just be argumentative here, I'm really curious as to what you see as lacking in the iPad for this purpose. The benefits of the iPad seem pretty obvious in that it is an inherently more secure device, and SHOULD be more reliable over the long run with no moving parts such as hard drives or a tilting screen. As a student myself (very part time) I can't see needing to do anything school related that this device wouldn't cover. Taking notes, writing papers, Internet research, e-textbooks, e-mail, calendar, this seems a really good fit for education. The App Store goes a long way to shielding most users from malicious software further making the case for an iPad being a good netbook replacement. So once again I ask why would the iPad be a bad netbook replacement for students?
Please don't overrate my "stupid" statement about those customers spending money on a product that they haven't seen.
You called people stupid for buying an iPad without seeing one first. I don't think there's a lot of room to misunderstand that. If that isn't what you meant, you might want to have someone else proofread your posts before you hit submit. However, it's pretty clear that it IS what you meant, and that's a pretty confrontational statement to make on what is clearly an Apple-centric (and in a pro-Apple way) rumor and discussion site. If you're surprised at the negative response, the Internet might not be for you.
Let me correct that for you. It's December 21, 2012. Apple is DOOMED!?
Great, I have an extra nine days to plan an exit strategy.
This is really interesting. To a certain extent, I think they naysayers are right, that people don't know what they're getting. They THINK they know what they're getting, you can look at the videos and the demos, but you'll never know how you're going to use any product day to day until you've have it for a while.
A neighbour is pickup up two on Saturday, and I'll have mine in my hot little hands on Sunday. Personally, I'm imagining that it will function as the "house computer"- it will float around between the kitchen, living room, and bedroom. In my mind I see using it as our new alarm clock, a remote for the AppleTV, a book, and a couch-side internet browser.
This is a new product category. It's going to fill a lot of the same uses as a netbook, but without a traditional computer OS, which is making some people immediately dismissive. I think anything that gets put forth that changes how we interact with our files in the current OS form is going to be met with criticism the same way that mouse and pointer interface did when people only knew command prompt. I'm USED to files and folders on my computer, but I can't imagine that's the end of development and there's no where more streamlined and intuitive to go.
Even more intriguing is the fact that we really aren't even seeing the whole product here. Who knows what enhancements OS4.0 will bring in June? And who knows what crazy applications developers will come up with that broaden the scope of what the iPad is capable of. There are iPhone applications to allow you to remotely use your computer desktop. Imagine how much more functional that idea will be on the iPad.
On the other side, with strong sales and dropping component prices, and entry level iPad could be $299 in a couple of years. Price is always a barrier for some people, and just like with the iPhone, the more they can put the price down the more people enter the target market.
I know the first time I showed the iPad video to my parents, they said, "I could see using that.".
As prices drop and functionality increases, it will be interesting to see how the device integrates into the computer landscape.
Actually, I'm going to keep one in my Ready Room, and probably another one in my quarters, in case Riker comes knocking with yet another stupid question that I'll need to answer for him. Gods I wish that man would think for himself once in a while. Maybe I'll get him an iPad for the eXchanging of Material Assets Sympathetically holiday when we dock at the next space station.
In a new note to investors, analyst Katy Huberty with Morgan Stanley said suppliers for the iPad have currently forecast 2.5 million iPads to be shipped in the first three months of availability, from March to May. In all, Apple will ship between 8 million and 10 million by the end of 2010, suppliers said -- a number much higher than the previous expectation of 5 million.
Huberty said the upward revisions to iPad build rates "point to strong initial pre-orders." Every one million iPads shipped equates to roughly 25 cents of earnings per share. A strong iPad debut, she said, sets up for "significant earnings upside."
These Analysts are GREAT!!!
Go Apple! We knew you could!