Pages is only $10 vs $150 for the education version of office.
Don't confuse student pricing to the pricing Schools get. We don't even pay $150 for MS office with commercial volume license pricing, let alone educational volume license pricing.
Some schools might do this, but it would be a mistake for schools to purchase iPads instead of Desktop systems. It most likely will turn out to be a useful educational tool in some situations, especially in earlier grades where children learn particularly well by physical manipulation, but it's not a replacement for a full system, nor does it offer the same functionality or experience.
And what experience would that be? A tool to foster learning, or having a computer for the sake of twiddling bits?
Not that I have a problem with twiddling bits myself, mind you - but full blow traditional computers with traditional operating systems are vast overkill for most users, and needlessly expensive to maintain and support.
The iPad is the next logical extension of the iPhone/iPod Touch and just the beginning of the next wave of user-oriented, task-oriented appliance computing where the tools work for the user and not the other way around (as I download the latest hundred megabyte system update in the background )
No one has used the full size on screen keyboard yet, and even if it's still not adequate you can attach a blue tooth keyboard or use the keyboard dock. I anticipate doing lots of typing and writing on my iPad. And the way kids adapt to cell phone keyboards for texting, to assume they won't adapt to the iPad is a little silly.
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film editing (which kids at some schools do do)
Still an edge case, and still appropriate for a desktop computer. Doesn't affect the success of the iPad.
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serious research
What's so special about "serious research" that an iPad is inappropriate? Missing a CD ROM drive for Encarta?
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any other focused and intensive computing task
the intensely personal way you interact with the iPad makes it far better for "focused and intensive" work.
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In terms of security, an iPad would also be more easily stolen
No more of a problem than schools deal with with notebooks now.
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and it isn't invulnerable to exploits
Why don't we not count our jail-braking chickens until the iPad arrives and is jail-broken?
While with physical access, it's true that you can probably penetrate any device, I think it would be premature to expect Apple to not have made changes over and above the 3GS.
And it will still be out of the box far more securable than a traditional computer.
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Eventually, e-textbooks could be something that would justify widespread adoption, but I think that's still a bit in the future.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. Book publishers are always looking for ways to distinguish themselves - there will be plenty for schools to choose from.
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But, the main point is that an iPad is not the perfect, or best, device for all types of computing, and that it would be a mistake to use it in cases where there are more appropriate solutions.
You need to get a better imagination. You are stuck in the "real computer" syndrome which, as I said earlier, is total overkill for the majority of tasks.
If Apple beefs up deployment and management tools with OS 4 as I expect them to do, the iPad will be a VERY powerful general purpose device replacing all but the extreme edge use case like video editing that you identified. Schools don't need computers for the sake of computers, they need tools - and the iPad is the best computational tool for them so far. When developers and whatever Apple has in store for OS 4 start to mature, all this chatter in forums like this will be the equivalent to the slashdot comments on the iPod. Even if Apple changes nothing in OS 4, there is more than enough of a foundation to see the iPad could easily replace the majority of uses in education where traditional desktop computers are now used.
I doubt anyone would replace a desktop with an ipad.
I can see plenty of desktops being replaced by iPads. I'd wager more than a few desktops are purchased over laptops because desktops can be quite a bit cheaper. The iPad cancels quite a bit of that price disparity out.
K, I ordered on the 22nd, just got my notification today, assuming these get sent FIFO then whoever ordered before the 22nd should have them and whoever ordered after whould get it shortly.
This weekend at a party I talked to a guy buying five of them for evaluation at his firm. He told me they are already writing custom apps. And, to my considerable surprise, I just found out that my company is even buying one for evaluation. My company is one of the most technologically backwards places you could imagine. We are still running Windows XP and have no plans to upgrade to Windows 7. We still only officially support WinMo smartphones. My company is basically the corporate equivalent of an 80 year old grandma when it comes to computer technology.
That seems to be typical so far. The iPad is entirely underrated by critics and stock manipulators.
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It could be another decade of pain for apple haters.
If it does, it would push the Apple-hating Web and PC geeks over the edge into an unending blog frenzy. What a spectacle.
Benioff has quite a bit of sway with the large, lumbering organizations that use his software. I predict the iPad will smash all upper end sales predictions (save for Katy Huberty).
I got my shipping notice this morning and ordered my on the 25th, the day before Apple announced that they had run thru their pre-order stock. Downloaded iTunes 9.1 last night, so I'm ready for Saturday. Really hope the UPS guys gets to my house early.
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Pages is only $10 vs $150 for the education version of office.
Don't confuse student pricing to the pricing Schools get. We don't even pay $150 for MS office with commercial volume license pricing, let alone educational volume license pricing.
Some schools might do this, but it would be a mistake for schools to purchase iPads instead of Desktop systems. It most likely will turn out to be a useful educational tool in some situations, especially in earlier grades where children learn particularly well by physical manipulation, but it's not a replacement for a full system, nor does it offer the same functionality or experience.
And what experience would that be? A tool to foster learning, or having a computer for the sake of twiddling bits?
Not that I have a problem with twiddling bits myself, mind you - but full blow traditional computers with traditional operating systems are vast overkill for most users, and needlessly expensive to maintain and support.
The iPad is the next logical extension of the iPhone/iPod Touch and just the beginning of the next wave of user-oriented, task-oriented appliance computing where the tools work for the user and not the other way around (as I download the latest hundred megabyte system update in the background
for paper writing
No one has used the full size on screen keyboard yet, and even if it's still not adequate you can attach a blue tooth keyboard or use the keyboard dock. I anticipate doing lots of typing and writing on my iPad. And the way kids adapt to cell phone keyboards for texting, to assume they won't adapt to the iPad is a little silly.
film editing (which kids at some schools do do)
Still an edge case, and still appropriate for a desktop computer. Doesn't affect the success of the iPad.
serious research
What's so special about "serious research" that an iPad is inappropriate? Missing a CD ROM drive for Encarta?
any other focused and intensive computing task
the intensely personal way you interact with the iPad makes it far better for "focused and intensive" work.
In terms of security, an iPad would also be more easily stolen
No more of a problem than schools deal with with notebooks now.
and it isn't invulnerable to exploits
Why don't we not count our jail-braking chickens until the iPad arrives and is jail-broken?
While with physical access, it's true that you can probably penetrate any device, I think it would be premature to expect Apple to not have made changes over and above the 3GS.
And it will still be out of the box far more securable than a traditional computer.
Eventually, e-textbooks could be something that would justify widespread adoption, but I think that's still a bit in the future.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. Book publishers are always looking for ways to distinguish themselves - there will be plenty for schools to choose from.
But, the main point is that an iPad is not the perfect, or best, device for all types of computing, and that it would be a mistake to use it in cases where there are more appropriate solutions.
You need to get a better imagination. You are stuck in the "real computer" syndrome which, as I said earlier, is total overkill for the majority of tasks.
If Apple beefs up deployment and management tools with OS 4 as I expect them to do, the iPad will be a VERY powerful general purpose device replacing all but the extreme edge use case like video editing that you identified. Schools don't need computers for the sake of computers, they need tools - and the iPad is the best computational tool for them so far. When developers and whatever Apple has in store for OS 4 start to mature, all this chatter in forums like this will be the equivalent to the slashdot comments on the iPod. Even if Apple changes nothing in OS 4, there is more than enough of a foundation to see the iPad could easily replace the majority of uses in education where traditional desktop computers are now used.
I doubt anyone would replace a desktop with an ipad.
I can see plenty of desktops being replaced by iPads. I'd wager more than a few desktops are purchased over laptops because desktops can be quite a bit cheaper. The iPad cancels quite a bit of that price disparity out.
unless you are developing software or media, or doing most types of engineering.
Wouldn't it be ironic if the iPad is finally the ultimate thin client terminal that gives thin client computing a real kick in the pants?
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I should be on the list!!!!
Where's my GD shipment notification?!?!?!?!?
easy cowboy. you'll get it.
K, I ordered on the 22nd, just got my notification today, assuming these get sent FIFO then whoever ordered before the 22nd should have them and whoever ordered after whould get it shortly.
This weekend at a party I talked to a guy buying five of them for evaluation at his firm. He told me they are already writing custom apps. And, to my considerable surprise, I just found out that my company is even buying one for evaluation. My company is one of the most technologically backwards places you could imagine. We are still running Windows XP and have no plans to upgrade to Windows 7. We still only officially support WinMo smartphones. My company is basically the corporate equivalent of an 80 year old grandma when it comes to computer technology.
That seems to be typical so far. The iPad is entirely underrated by critics and stock manipulators.
It could be another decade of pain for apple haters.
Awesome.
He stuffed a sock in his mouth, because he wants Bing to be the default search engine for iPhones and iPads.
They may yet get on the iPad as a user changeable default, but I think Steve is playing Google and MS off each other.
Wouldn't it be ironic if the iPad is finally the ultimate thin client terminal that gives thin client computing a real kick in the pants?
Salesforce.com CEO Marc Benioff thinks it might.
http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/29/ipad-cloud-2/
If it does, it would push the Apple-hating Web and PC geeks over the edge into an unending blog frenzy. What a spectacle.
Salesforce.com CEO Marc Benioff thinks it might.
http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/29/ipad-cloud-2/
If it does, it would push the Apple-hating Web and PC geeks over the edge into an unending blog frenzy. What a spectacle.
Benioff has quite a bit of sway with the large, lumbering organizations that use his software. I predict the iPad will smash all upper end sales predictions (save for Katy Huberty).