If you aren't actually a terrorist, you have nothing to worry about. None of this affects you. I'd rather have a couple hundred people in jail for a while than have my downtown blown up.</strong><hr></blockquote>
How wrong you are my friend...saying this is only a temporary measure to counter terrorist activity holds no weight. When and if terrorism is defeated do you think that homeland security will fade away? The atrocity of 9-11 was the catalyst for gaining the open investigation of anyone who could possibly have knowledge of these events or the people involved. Remember the Blackball list in Hollywood during the"communist" era of the 50's and early 60's ? Imprompto survelliance and arrest of actors "believed to be involved in communism" was a reality for lots of people and their names were tarnished in the press. What right does the federal government have to go beyond the guidelines of law? National security is the greatest of lies for our government to use in order to execute " instant law". I know I sound paranoid, but I choose to think of it as being informed. If homeland security was such a big priority of the feds to begin with and not an after thought, 9-11 may not have happened.
<strong>Indeed I do-- I'll compile a list and post it tomorrow...</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'll be waiting. Not because I don't believe your resources...it's just that others here don't...
I had a conversation with a friend a few months after 9/11 and he mentioned much of this. But he reminded me that "it is only the tip of the iceburg and accept the fact that the mainstream press won't report much of these revelations."
If you aren't actually a terrorist,</strong><hr></blockquote>
How do you know? A terrorist is a terrorist when Bush declares someone to be one,other people already copy this stance, McCarthy declared people to be Communists and Stalin declared people to be Capitalists, there is always someone to sort even you into a matrix, which may turn out to be the entrance of a gas chamber.
[quote]Originally posted by G4Dude:
<strong>... you have nothing to worry about. None of this affects you. I'd rather have a couple hundred people in jail for a while than have my downtown blown up.</strong><hr></blockquote>
...ah, even, if you were one of those hundred?
Please, pretty please, think again.
If the mental state of the one who blew up the FBI building were an indication of a terrorist mind half of the Republican party according to what they say in public, must be imprisoned according to the above standard of yours.
It is a bad custom of telling people that a certain legislation was not meant for them but for "the others", while the power of defining who belongs to "others" is not controlled by a democratic body. Even in that case it proofed to be very dangerous in history. Even and sometimes especially for the ones who applauded such a move like you in the first place. You need not look to Stalin or Hitler for an example, read your own 200 + years history and find some homemade stuff.
History is full of the graves of conservatives who believed to be not a target of a law they helped to get along. And in the meantime all conservatives i the world are constantly ranting about how well they are the sole defender of freedom, independence and democracy. Just like Pinochet the old murderer.
Please, think twice before repeating the (in this case US-)Republican talk. Learn a little history and read some speech of Cesar, and you'll see they all copy the old dictator.
If the mental state of the one who blew up the FBI building were an indication of a terrorist mind half of the Republican party according to what they say in public, must be imprisoned according to the above standard of yours.
It is a bad custom of telling people that a certain legislation was not meant for them but for "the others", while the power of defining who belongs to "others" is not controlled by a democratic body. Even in that case it proofed to be very dangerous in history. Even and sometimes especially for the ones who applauded such a move like you in the first place. You need not look to Stalin or Hitler for an example, read your own 200 + years history and find some homemade stuff.
History is full of the graves of conservatives who believed to be not a target of a law they helped to get along. And in the meantime all conservatives i the world are constantly ranting about how well they are the sole defender of freedom, independence and democracy. Just like Pinochet the old murderer.
Please, think twice before repeating the (in this case US-)Republican talk. Learn a little history and read some speech of Cesar, and you'll see they all copy the old dictator.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Very well put Kate..gives everyone something to think about. The attitude that "it won't affect me or you" so why be concerned is a dangerous and nieve thought.
<strong>Don't ever ask for a Maclot's political opinion, they are as idiotic in their politicking as they are in their defense of everything Apple does.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hey now, it's not just Maclots.
I don't like Bush's hair. Good enough reason?
Then again, I didn't like Gore's hair either. Ha ha, can't label me a dem or rep, so there.
Reading the unsubstantiated drivel and over-the-top rhetoric here it's difficult to tell the difference between this thread and a "MacOSX is bettar than XP because XP is just DOS!!" thread.
I voted Nader, all this partisan bickering is for suckers.
Jesus Christ could be elected under the Republican ticket and these dipshts would wheedle negativity because he's on the wrong "side".
How do you know? A terrorist is a terrorist when Bush declares someone to be one...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Really? That's all it takes? And then do we get to lock the bad guys up up and throw away the key?
While we're thinking again who are these people languishing in our jails without true provocation? Do they actually exist or is this just another myth conjured up in the service of a McCarthyism of the left?
And speaking of conjuring, invoking Caesar's ghost is an intersting touch. Bush as Caesar? Wow! You think he'll try and abolish the Senate too?
Jesus Christ could be elected under the Republican ticket and these dipshts would wheedle negativity because he's on the wrong "side".</strong><hr></blockquote>
JC doesn´t exist, he would never run for republicans and if he did he would be a traitor/gone insane/sold out.
***Warning: The above should be seen as humor only and the inconsistency thus ignored***
JC doesn´t exist, he would never run for republicans and if he did he would be a traitor/gone insane/sold out.
***Warning: The above should be seen as humor only and the inconsistency thus ignored***</strong><hr></blockquote>
Good thing that warning was there because your post was lacking an appropriate smiley. Something like or or or even <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Good thing that warning was there because your post was lacking an appropriate smiley. Something like or or or even <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Really? That's all it takes? And then do we get to lock the bad guys up up and throw away the key?
While we're thinking again who are these people languishing in our jails without true provocation? Do they actually exist or is this just another myth conjured up in the service of a McCarthyism of the left?
And speaking of conjuring, invoking Caesar's ghost is an intersting touch. Bush as Caesar? Wow! You think he'll try and abolish the Senate too?
at Guantonimo Bay , basically as pows, a direct violation of the Geneva Convention. To detain and shackle one for crimes without formal charge or trial is not right. No, I have not nor will I ever forget 9-11, as I will not forget Waco or Ruby Ridge, more displays of the power of our federal government. And to answer you directly on your questioning of the reality of the Hollywood Blacklist..it was and is a factual case. The HUAC (House of Un-American Activities Committee) was started in 1938 and chaired by Joseph McCarthy. This committee forced many producers and actors to appear before a HUAC panel and succumb to questions about their personal lives, beliefs and to testify against others. The CFA (Committe for the First Ammendmant) was founded by Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Becall to preserve the rights ofprivate citizens to have freedom to express one's opinion about our government and it's policies without fear of retribution(something I believe was guarenteed by The Constitution). These are only myths if you refuse to believe that they happened.
<strong>Don't ever ask for a Maclot's political opinion, they are as idiotic in their politicking as they are in their defense of everything Apple does.</strong><hr></blockquote>
About as idotic as Ralph Nader wanting to put a crash helmet or safety gaurd on evry f**king thing a person could touch. By the way I choose to be NPA.(No Party Affiliation)
who said that bush was voted in?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh please. Even I am beginning to get bored with this. Face it: He won the election. The recalc done by the newspapers even showed this. Another question is if it is wise to have the a system where the president is not the person who receive the highest number of votes. (yeah yeah I know: Its not UPA but USA)
<strong>Oh please. Even I am beginning to get bored with this. Face it: He won the election. The recalc done by the newspapers even showed this.</strong><hr></blockquote>Sorry you're "bored" with it. So is 99.9% of the American people. We should just move on, never think about the past, right?
Those newspaper analyses showed a couple of things:
1. that more people voted for Gore in Florida,
2. that enough of Gore's votes were thrown out on technicalities to give Bush the win,
3. that legitimate recounts were never allowed because the Supreme Court got involved in a political case about state law - exactly the kind of case that the Supreme Court would normally avoid, and
4. who would have won the recount depends on the method of getting rid of votes - Bush would have won some, Gore would have won some.
It's also interesting to note that the Republicans wouldn't have been bored with it if Gore had won - they said they would not forget it and they would see Gore as illegitimate.
It's also interesting to note that the Republicans wouldn't have been bored with it if Gore had won - they said they would not forget it and they would see Gore as illegitimate.
So.... their both shady. Someone had to win. I What I'm saying is that if Gore had won we'd be having the same conversation; just replace Gore with Bush and Bush with Gore. It's easy, mmkay?
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If you aren't actually a terrorist, you have nothing to worry about. None of this affects you. I'd rather have a couple hundred people in jail for a while than have my downtown blown up.</strong><hr></blockquote>
How wrong you are my friend...saying this is only a temporary measure to counter terrorist activity holds no weight. When and if terrorism is defeated do you think that homeland security will fade away? The atrocity of 9-11 was the catalyst for gaining the open investigation of anyone who could possibly have knowledge of these events or the people involved. Remember the Blackball list in Hollywood during the"communist" era of the 50's and early 60's ? Imprompto survelliance and arrest of actors "believed to be involved in communism" was a reality for lots of people and their names were tarnished in the press. What right does the federal government have to go beyond the guidelines of law? National security is the greatest of lies for our government to use in order to execute " instant law". I know I sound paranoid, but I choose to think of it as being informed. If homeland security was such a big priority of the feds to begin with and not an after thought, 9-11 may not have happened.
[ 03-04-2002: Message edited by: Robertp ]</p>
<strong>Indeed I do-- I'll compile a list and post it tomorrow...</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'll be waiting. Not because I don't believe your resources...it's just that others here don't...
I had a conversation with a friend a few months after 9/11 and he mentioned much of this. But he reminded me that "it is only the tip of the iceburg and accept the fact that the mainstream press won't report much of these revelations."
Government = Same old, same old...
[ 03-04-2002: Message edited by: Artman @_@ ]</p>
Umm, dude, where have you been? He's a REPUBLICAN!
Sheesh, we should have a FAQ for these newbies.
<strong>
If you aren't actually a terrorist,</strong><hr></blockquote>
How do you know? A terrorist is a terrorist when Bush declares someone to be one,other people already copy this stance, McCarthy declared people to be Communists and Stalin declared people to be Capitalists, there is always someone to sort even you into a matrix, which may turn out to be the entrance of a gas chamber.
[quote]Originally posted by G4Dude:
<strong>... you have nothing to worry about. None of this affects you. I'd rather have a couple hundred people in jail for a while than have my downtown blown up.</strong><hr></blockquote>
...ah, even, if you were one of those hundred?
Please, pretty please, think again.
If the mental state of the one who blew up the FBI building were an indication of a terrorist mind half of the Republican party according to what they say in public, must be imprisoned according to the above standard of yours.
It is a bad custom of telling people that a certain legislation was not meant for them but for "the others", while the power of defining who belongs to "others" is not controlled by a democratic body. Even in that case it proofed to be very dangerous in history. Even and sometimes especially for the ones who applauded such a move like you in the first place. You need not look to Stalin or Hitler for an example, read your own 200 + years history and find some homemade stuff.
History is full of the graves of conservatives who believed to be not a target of a law they helped to get along. And in the meantime all conservatives i the world are constantly ranting about how well they are the sole defender of freedom, independence and democracy. Just like Pinochet the old murderer.
Please, think twice before repeating the (in this case US-)Republican talk. Learn a little history and read some speech of Cesar, and you'll see they all copy the old dictator.
<strong>
...ah, even, if you were one of those hundred?
Please, pretty please, think again.
If the mental state of the one who blew up the FBI building were an indication of a terrorist mind half of the Republican party according to what they say in public, must be imprisoned according to the above standard of yours.
It is a bad custom of telling people that a certain legislation was not meant for them but for "the others", while the power of defining who belongs to "others" is not controlled by a democratic body. Even in that case it proofed to be very dangerous in history. Even and sometimes especially for the ones who applauded such a move like you in the first place. You need not look to Stalin or Hitler for an example, read your own 200 + years history and find some homemade stuff.
History is full of the graves of conservatives who believed to be not a target of a law they helped to get along. And in the meantime all conservatives i the world are constantly ranting about how well they are the sole defender of freedom, independence and democracy. Just like Pinochet the old murderer.
Please, think twice before repeating the (in this case US-)Republican talk. Learn a little history and read some speech of Cesar, and you'll see they all copy the old dictator.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Very well put Kate..gives everyone something to think about. The attitude that "it won't affect me or you" so why be concerned is a dangerous and nieve thought.
That post is one of the top three most thoughtful posts ever to be posted on AI.
Even though what you said should be obvious to everyone.
[ 03-04-2002: Message edited by: Anders ]</p>
<strong>Don't ever ask for a Maclot's political opinion, they are as idiotic in their politicking as they are in their defense of everything Apple does.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hey now, it's not just Maclots.
I don't like Bush's hair. Good enough reason?
Then again, I didn't like Gore's hair either. Ha ha, can't label me a dem or rep, so there.
I voted Nader, all this partisan bickering is for suckers.
Jesus Christ could be elected under the Republican ticket and these dipshts would wheedle negativity because he's on the wrong "side".
<strong>
How do you know? A terrorist is a terrorist when Bush declares someone to be one...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Really? That's all it takes? And then do we get to lock the bad guys up up and throw away the key?
While we're thinking again who are these people languishing in our jails without true provocation? Do they actually exist or is this just another myth conjured up in the service of a McCarthyism of the left?
And speaking of conjuring, invoking Caesar's ghost is an intersting touch. Bush as Caesar? Wow! You think he'll try and abolish the Senate too?
As for learning a little history <a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/dhenninger/?id=95001254"; target="_blank">this</a> is a good place to start. Surprising how quickly some people forget.
[ 03-04-2002: Message edited by: roger_ramjet ]</p>
<strong>
Jesus Christ could be elected under the Republican ticket and these dipshts would wheedle negativity because he's on the wrong "side".</strong><hr></blockquote>
JC doesn´t exist, he would never run for republicans and if he did he would be a traitor/gone insane/sold out.
***Warning: The above should be seen as humor only and the inconsistency thus ignored***
<strong>
JC doesn´t exist, he would never run for republicans and if he did he would be a traitor/gone insane/sold out.
***Warning: The above should be seen as humor only and the inconsistency thus ignored***</strong><hr></blockquote>
Good thing that warning was there because your post was lacking an appropriate smiley. Something like
[ 03-04-2002: Message edited by: NoahJ ]</p>
<strong>
Good thing that warning was there because your post was lacking an appropriate smiley. Something like
[ 03-04-2002: Message edited by: NoahJ ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
I hate smilies
<strong>
Really? That's all it takes? And then do we get to lock the bad guys up up and throw away the key?
While we're thinking again who are these people languishing in our jails without true provocation? Do they actually exist or is this just another myth conjured up in the service of a McCarthyism of the left?
And speaking of conjuring, invoking Caesar's ghost is an intersting touch. Bush as Caesar? Wow! You think he'll try and abolish the Senate too?
As for learning a little history <a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/dhenninger/?id=95001254"; target="_blank">this</a> is a good place to start. Surprising how quickly some people forget.
[ 03-04-2002: Message edited by: roger_ramjet ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Good, bad , or indifferent we are holding people
at Guantonimo Bay , basically as pows, a direct violation of the Geneva Convention. To detain and shackle one for crimes without formal charge or trial is not right. No, I have not nor will I ever forget 9-11, as I will not forget Waco or Ruby Ridge, more displays of the power of our federal government. And to answer you directly on your questioning of the reality of the Hollywood Blacklist..it was and is a factual case. The HUAC (House of Un-American Activities Committee) was started in 1938 and chaired by Joseph McCarthy. This committee forced many producers and actors to appear before a HUAC panel and succumb to questions about their personal lives, beliefs and to testify against others. The CFA (Committe for the First Ammendmant) was founded by Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Becall to preserve the rights ofprivate citizens to have freedom to express one's opinion about our government and it's policies without fear of retribution(something I believe was guarenteed by The Constitution). These are only myths if you refuse to believe that they happened.
<strong>Don't ever ask for a Maclot's political opinion, they are as idiotic in their politicking as they are in their defense of everything Apple does.</strong><hr></blockquote>
About as idotic as Ralph Nader wanting to put a crash helmet or safety gaurd on evry f**king thing a person could touch. By the way I choose to be NPA.(No Party Affiliation)
<strong>Personally, I thought that Bush would be a disaster when he was voted in. </strong><hr></blockquote>
who said that bush was voted in?
<strong>
who said that bush was voted in?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh please. Even I am beginning to get bored with this. Face it: He won the election. The recalc done by the newspapers even showed this. Another question is if it is wise to have the a system where the president is not the person who receive the highest number of votes. (yeah yeah I know: Its not UPA but USA)
<strong>Oh please. Even I am beginning to get bored with this. Face it: He won the election. The recalc done by the newspapers even showed this.</strong><hr></blockquote>Sorry you're "bored" with it. So is 99.9% of the American people. We should just move on, never think about the past, right?
Those newspaper analyses showed a couple of things:
1. that more people voted for Gore in Florida,
2. that enough of Gore's votes were thrown out on technicalities to give Bush the win,
3. that legitimate recounts were never allowed because the Supreme Court got involved in a political case about state law - exactly the kind of case that the Supreme Court would normally avoid, and
4. who would have won the recount depends on the method of getting rid of votes - Bush would have won some, Gore would have won some.
It's also interesting to note that the Republicans wouldn't have been bored with it if Gore had won - they said they would not forget it and they would see Gore as illegitimate.
So.... their both shady. Someone had to win. I What I'm saying is that if Gore had won we'd be having the same conversation; just replace Gore with Bush and Bush with Gore. It's easy, mmkay?