I phoned up Apple and begged . Actually I did, I had just bought the previous update a few months earlier and asked if they'd cut me a break and they did. I buy through the business department as I get a lot of stuff. But yes, $199 was the full price but still one heck of a deal for all those apps, and what apps!!!
Wow, that's funny, I kinda did the same thing. Except for me, I had just purchased FCS 2 about 6 weeks before FCS 3 came out and there was no word on these forums that the release of FCS 3 was imminent. Needless to say, when I saw them announce FCS 3, I was pretty pissed. I called up the business dept. and like you, I asked if there was anything they could do. They were very accommodating and refunded the full upgrade price (what I paid) of FCS 2 and didn't charge me a restocking fee either. And yes, awesome apps!
Well Aperture's a competitor to Lightroom, not Photoshop. I find Aperture 3 to be wonderful, though. I used iPhoto for a couple of years and picked up Aperture and got the hang of it in no time. I could probably benefit at some point from adding in a pure image editor like Photoshop, but at this point I just don't see the need.
Aperture's editing tools are quite good but not as extensive as Photoshop's.
Usually it is the features they leave OUT which is what makes Apple software a joy to use.
Oh, Agreed! That's very true. The nice thing about Aperture 3 is I can do everything in one place - managing photos, uploading them, editing them. No need to open up separate apps like in iPhoto. iPhoto's own tools are ok - very good for quick, one-touch corrections that usually look very good, but I always found my self using its "edit in an external program" feature and having to go into Photoshop or Pixelmator.
What I like about Aperture in particular is its interface: clean and well-organized.
When, if ever, will Adobe realize the drop in their stock underscores their business/marketing approach. Ya think they'd try to emulate Apple when it comes to putting their software into as many hands as possible.
Regarding Education packages, starting with CS4 - install is limited to one machine. Typical Adobe stupidity.
They do a nice education discount but getting that license isn't easy. You can't fake it and say you are a student. You have to prove it. In detail...
not true. just take the student with you when you go to the bookstore. they just need their student i.d. i suppose it wouldn't hurt to bring their class schedule, but that's really all there is to it. hell, i know a woman who is an employee of the u.c. system (the hospital) and she even gets discounts in the u.c. bookstore.
don't think it's that difficult. bottom line: how much is it worth to you to get the software at a decent price.
Apple's smart here because they've got a complete photo-management system. Get em when they're just starting out, with iPhoto. They'll get interested in photography because iPhoto makes it so easy to make photos look good with just a couple of clicks. Then, when the hardcore iPhoto user finally wields a more expensive DSLR, encourage the move up to Aperture with the line: Pro Performance with iPhoto Simplicity.
Regarding Education packages, starting with CS4 - install is limited to one machine...
easy solution:
install on 2 machines. deactivate one when you're not using the other one. if this is really that difficult, buy 2 copies. it's still probably cheaper with the student discount.
No 64 bit Illustrator no upgrades for my firm, guess we'll stay on CS3 for another 2 years. Can't stand these bundles either, we end up paying for a bunch of apps we never use, what a waste. I hate the monopoly Adobe has become in the creative biz.
Do you have Illustrator files that are over 4 Gigs in size? I doubt it.
I don't think believe update is all that bad. $600 for all apps is a steal in my opinion.
As for the monopoly issue, I agree Freehand had some great features and Adobe seems too arrogant to implement them into Illustrator.
Oh, Agreed! That's very true. The nice thing about Aperture 3 is I can do everything in one place - managing photos, uploading them, editing them. No need to open up separate apps like in iPhoto. iPhoto's own tools are ok - very good for quick, one-touch corrections that usually look very good, but I always found my self using its "edit in an external program" feature and having to go into Photoshop or Pixelmator.
What I like about Aperture in particular is its interface: clean and well-organized.
The analogue of Apple Aperture is Adobe Lightroom not Photoshop. And it costs $299 for regular customer and $99 for students
currently, when i import text from photoshop files to flash, either as editable text or vectors or even bitmaps, flash screws with the formatting. and the existing type options simply don't work.
i downloaded their 'text layout' extension (beta) from adobe labs and, almost immediately, stopped using it. it was ridiculously counter-intuitive (even for a beta). i'm stumped. for the life of me, i can't figure out why they can't port the type engine/interface from photoshop or (even better) illustrator.
does anyone know anything about the new text editing feature in flash cs5?
also, is the entire suite 64-bit for the mac, or just photoshop?
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I only want Photoshop these days.
What's wrong with Aperture?
I phoned up Apple and begged
Wow, that's funny, I kinda did the same thing. Except for me, I had just purchased FCS 2 about 6 weeks before FCS 3 came out and there was no word on these forums that the release of FCS 3 was imminent. Needless to say, when I saw them announce FCS 3, I was pretty pissed. I called up the business dept. and like you, I asked if there was anything they could do. They were very accommodating and refunded the full upgrade price (what I paid) of FCS 2 and didn't charge me a restocking fee either. And yes, awesome apps!
What's wrong with Aperture?
Well Aperture's a competitor to Lightroom, not Photoshop. I find Aperture 3 to be wonderful, though. I used iPhoto for a couple of years and picked up Aperture and got the hang of it in no time. I could probably benefit at some point from adding in a pure image editor like Photoshop, but at this point I just don't see the need.
Aperture's editing tools are quite good but not as extensive as Photoshop's.
OMG!! WHERE'S MY FLASH TO IPHONE SUPPORT?!
Thanks to powerful Adobe software, that feature could be eliminated in just a few days!
Adobe: working hard, to keep you compliant.
Aperture's editing tools are quite good but not as extensive as Photoshop's.
Usually it is the features they leave OUT which is what makes Apple software a joy to use.
Thanks to powerful Adobe software, that feature could be eliminated in just a few days!
Adobe: working hard, to keep you compliant.
If Adobe was serious about it, they would have left the feature in and let Apple sort out all of the Apps that are submitted.
Looks like Steve has Adobe by the balls.
Usually it is the features they leave OUT which is what makes Apple software a joy to use.
Oh, Agreed! That's very true. The nice thing about Aperture 3 is I can do everything in one place - managing photos, uploading them, editing them. No need to open up separate apps like in iPhoto. iPhoto's own tools are ok - very good for quick, one-touch corrections that usually look very good, but I always found my self using its "edit in an external program" feature and having to go into Photoshop or Pixelmator.
What I like about Aperture in particular is its interface: clean and well-organized.
When, if ever, will Adobe realize the drop in their stock underscores their business/marketing approach. Ya think they'd try to emulate Apple when it comes to putting their software into as many hands as possible.
Regarding Education packages, starting with CS4 - install is limited to one machine. Typical Adobe stupidity.
Looking forward to the eventual demise of Flash.
They do a nice education discount but getting that license isn't easy. You can't fake it and say you are a student. You have to prove it. In detail...
not true. just take the student with you when you go to the bookstore. they just need their student i.d. i suppose it wouldn't hurt to bring their class schedule, but that's really all there is to it. hell, i know a woman who is an employee of the u.c. system (the hospital) and she even gets discounts in the u.c. bookstore.
don't think it's that difficult. bottom line: how much is it worth to you to get the software at a decent price.
Apple's smart here because they've got a complete photo-management system. Get em when they're just starting out, with iPhoto. They'll get interested in photography because iPhoto makes it so easy to make photos look good with just a couple of clicks. Then, when the hardcore iPhoto user finally wields a more expensive DSLR, encourage the move up to Aperture with the line: Pro Performance with iPhoto Simplicity.
Then, hit em up with the following:
http://www.apple.com/aperture/iphoto-to-aperture/
Brilliant.
Regarding Education packages, starting with CS4 - install is limited to one machine...
easy solution:
install on 2 machines. deactivate one when you're not using the other one. if this is really that difficult, buy 2 copies. it's still probably cheaper with the student discount.
No 64 bit Illustrator no upgrades for my firm, guess we'll stay on CS3 for another 2 years. Can't stand these bundles either, we end up paying for a bunch of apps we never use, what a waste. I hate the monopoly Adobe has become in the creative biz.
Do you have Illustrator files that are over 4 Gigs in size? I doubt it.
I don't think believe update is all that bad. $600 for all apps is a steal in my opinion.
As for the monopoly issue, I agree Freehand had some great features and Adobe seems too arrogant to implement them into Illustrator.
don't think it's that difficult. bottom line: how much is it worth to you to get the software at a decent price.
But that is fraud. It is illegal. It is a breach of trust and an abuse.
It is no different in kind from just running in, grabbing a student box, and running past the check-out while throwing them less than list price.
It is no different in kind from using torrents. It is stealing.
Oh, Agreed! That's very true. The nice thing about Aperture 3 is I can do everything in one place - managing photos, uploading them, editing them. No need to open up separate apps like in iPhoto. iPhoto's own tools are ok - very good for quick, one-touch corrections that usually look very good, but I always found my self using its "edit in an external program" feature and having to go into Photoshop or Pixelmator.
What I like about Aperture in particular is its interface: clean and well-organized.
The analogue of Apple Aperture is Adobe Lightroom not Photoshop. And it costs $299 for regular customer and $99 for students
i downloaded their 'text layout' extension (beta) from adobe labs and, almost immediately, stopped using it. it was ridiculously counter-intuitive (even for a beta). i'm stumped. for the life of me, i can't figure out why they can't port the type engine/interface from photoshop or (even better) illustrator.
does anyone know anything about the new text editing feature in flash cs5?
also, is the entire suite 64-bit for the mac, or just photoshop?
Still, some of the features do look amazing.
The analogue of Apple Aperture is Adobe Lightroom not Photoshop.
Yes, I mentioned that.
FWIW, I pre-ordered Photoshop CS5 for Mac last night.
You can still buy Photoshop by itself for $699.
You can also "upgrade" from pretty much any old copy of PSE for Mac going back to version 4.0 for $599.
Is it Cocoa 64 now?
Yes. Given the appropriate OS and hardware.
Edit: Thanks, gmcalpin. Yes, I thought were only talking about Photoshop. Yes, there are a number of the other CS apps that aren't 64-bit Cocoa yet.