Google takes little risk? Have you ever heard of the Chrome OS? 7 second start up time, mainly cloud-based? No... that's not risky or a first at ALLLLL. But yeah, any GOOD OS that isn't Windows running on a tablet is a ripoff of Apple.
So what about Chrome OS? I was referring to Android.
Google does good software for the web. There is no doubt about it. If only they focused on their core strengths instead of going after every possible market including their partners... This predatory behavior is reminiscent of Microsoft.
This isn't gonna help the developers who already haft to be prepared for the other Android based tablets from CES.
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So what about Chrome OS? I was referring to Android.
Google does good software for the web. There is no doubt about it. If only they focused on their core strengths instead of going after every possible market including their partners... This predatory behavior is reminiscent of Microsoft.
If they keep this up, they will wind up like them. Trying to compete in every market imaginable, just because you can, doesn't mean its a good idea. Microsoft is proof of that since that.
Though the touchscreen numbers are interesting . . .
I don't think that iPhone OS will ever gain a dominant share because it is and will always be limited to one phone. I have plenty of friends who refuse to get an iPhone because everyone else has one. With Android, different manufacturers will develop different devices tailored to different tastes. On top of that Apple exercises monopoly pricing on its phones because there is no other competitor quite like it. It's the reason that Macs are almost never discounted as well. There's no one else making a computer that runs OSX out of the box (anymore). Android phones compete with each other, so the manufacturers are driven to lower prices and increase volume. All these factors lead me to believe that Android will inevitably take the lion's share of smartphone OS.
25% is a long way away, and June is just around the corner. The competition tends not to like June, for some reason.
But in the past, There were major updates in June. This year will be different - Apple is catching up to where Android was a while ago, rather than surpassing it with innovative new stuffs.
I predict a major Android update in Early to mid June. And another one timed to capture Back-To School, or perhaps the Holiday Season. And again in the spring.
Don't get me wrong - the Apple implementations will be elegant.
But by this time next year, the Apple OS will be pretty much 4.0 with some new tweaks. Where will the Android platform be?
Eric Schmidt, CEO of Google, was on the Apple Board. It seems to me that what they are doing is corporate espionage. He learned about these products (iPhone, iPad) while on Apple's Board, and then proceeded to expand Google's business form Search and web based/cloud software to hardware (indirectly, and perhaps now more directly) by promoting the Android OS and encouraging/working with hardware manufacturers (HTC and otheres, now Nokia).
So, the motto of Google is said to be "Do no evil"
- Google has scanned and made available copyrighted content without even attempting to pay proper royalties
- Google collect TONS of personal information about users, without their consent or knowledge
- Googles security has been compromised, exposing the TONS of personal information - and if any company has the resources to do security "right" it is Google
- Google's Eric Schmidt has stolen ideas and strategies form the Apple Board. He should have resigned form the board when it occurred to him that Google might go inthe direction of being an Apple competitor, instead he resigned only fairly recently after absorbing (stealing) as much from Apple as he could
Now the "Do no evil" company is fighting for control of the smartphone (Android), desktop (Chrome OS), and tablet business (Android).
Google's mode of business is SCARY, and exploitive.
I will and would take a little quality control, often referred to as censorship, at Apple's App store and in the allowable programming for the iPhone and iPad any day. At least there is at least some aspect and reason that is good for the consumer.
Google is the devil incarnate. I think when the phrase "Do no evil" was introduced, it was meant as a suggestion to others, so Google could proceed without competition in the execution of evil.
So what about Chrome OS? I was referring to Android.
Google does good software for the web. There is no doubt about it. If only they focused on their core strengths instead of going after every possible market including their partners... This predatory behavior is reminiscent of Microsoft.
Google is trying to ensure that they have an avenue to distribute their products to smartphone users.
We've already seen Apple shut out some of their products from iPhone OS (google navi, voice, etc...)
First off, HTC IS a hardware company. HTC made the Nexus One, not Google.
Second off, you are telling me that Google doesn't know how to do anything other than a desktop search. So you don't think Gmail is very successful, or that Google Calendar is either? What about Google Docs? Google Voice?
Good god, man, you are drooling over Gmail and Google Calendar? You consider them revolutionary products? How much money is Google making on these?
Google does a lot of "me-too" stuff and gives it away, hoping they will make some money on these some day. Hah !!
If Android is any indication, exponential growth is what happens.
If Google can match the processing power and 10 hour battery life, this device will take off.
Android is open source and the Android market is an open market. This all leads to higher competition, which leads to better products.
I don't think Google has any fan boys though. Yeah, they have a pretty good search engine, maps too, but Apple fans just LOVE their iDevices. Plus Apple also has a mysterious female attraction as well, - the ladies seem to love the Apple sense of style. Google has no style except maybe clunky, complicated and confusing, if that can be considered a style. Apple wins with the general population, Google with some of the geeks and the spend thrifts.
Apple is the first to sell more then 300.000 internet devices without anyone seeing the device. That is pretty good for a device that doesn't play half of the internet content.
Now that is a 1st.
Don't get me wrong I think the Ipad is cute, and I like Apple products but all this gushing, give me a break it's just a company.
That's what a company can do when it controls its hardware and software--and has a long track record of making quality devices. Those of us that have used Macs for years already know fundamentally how the iPad will work. If one sees demonstrations they like and they are happy with the price it is a safe bet to buy sight-unseen. It has more to do with trust than "gushing" or being a fanboy.
P.S. Where is the "other half" of the internet that it can't play? Is it only available on Windows or something, because I've never seen it.
So Apple invented the tablet? I didn't know that. I can't believe all the "omg Google sucks because they're copying Apple" comments.
We know the following: Google is probably making a tablet computer. Are they not allowed to do this? Apple did not invent the tablet computer, or the idea of mobile apps, or even an app store.
I did not say Apple invented the tablet, that is absurd! where did you get that from?
Apple innovated the whole tablet experience, so from this day forward the majority of new tablets will resemble the iPad's look and UI, just like what happened with the iPhone.
I believe Apple made a big booboo by allowing Google board members on Apple's board, and I believe that that is why Google is trailing closest behind Apple, and that is why SJ is rightfully pissed off.
Hardware competition is a good thing and the Net keeps us all linked.
What would be bad would be losing Net Neutrality.
Competition is not blatant duplication of another's idea. Where did you pick up such a warped philosophy?
Net neutrality is happy little phrase to make people feel good about a really bad concept.
As in all things in life, you should pay your own tab. You get charged for the phone minutes you use, why should the internet be any different? Hippies? Rainbows? Because you file share illegal stuff (the ONLY real world use for anonymous peer-to-peer swap protocols) and want everyone else to pay for it?
I'm sure you have some imagined scenario where a phantom evil corporation is somehow corrupting your perfect socialist bubble.
I propose that not only do bandwidth hogs get a higher bill, but they also lose their connection after a certain point.
I don't think Google has any fan boys though. Yeah, they have a pretty good search engine, maps too, but Apple fans just LOVE their iDevices. Plus Apple also has a mysterious female attraction as well, - the ladies seem to love the Apple sense of style. Google has no style except maybe clunky, complicated and confusing, if that can be considered a style. Apple wins with the general population, Google with some of the geeks and the spend thrifts.
Style is subjective. I don't think there's any one design that will make everyone happy, and in that respect I believe Android will win out here. The iPhone is a very good looking phone, but it's going to be at least 1 year between updates. In contrast, a new Android phone comes out every few months it seems. This means the style is updated faster as well as the specs.
And if you're calling the Nexus one clunky complicated and confusing, I think you're just plain wrong.
Net neutrality is happy little phrase to make people feel good about a really bad concept.
As in all things in life, you should pay your own tab. You get charged for the phone minutes you use, why should the internet be any different? Hippies? Rainbows? Because you file share illegal stuff (the ONLY real world use for anonymous peer-to-peer swap protocols) and want everyone else to pay for it?
Except when it is not about file sharing but about favoring their own services in an anti-competitive way.
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For me, it's not the "copying" part that I hate. It's how quickly "the iPad is just a big iPod Touch which is stupid and pointless and only fanboi's will buy them" turned into "Google has been working on a tablet device for years and was just waiting to see what Apple produced."
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Google takes little risk? Have you ever heard of the Chrome OS? 7 second start up time, mainly cloud-based? No... that's not risky or a first at ALLLLL. But yeah, any GOOD OS that isn't Windows running on a tablet is a ripoff of Apple.
So what about Chrome OS? I was referring to Android.
Google does good software for the web. There is no doubt about it. If only they focused on their core strengths instead of going after every possible market including their partners... This predatory behavior is reminiscent of Microsoft.
So what about Chrome OS? I was referring to Android.
Google does good software for the web. There is no doubt about it. If only they focused on their core strengths instead of going after every possible market including their partners... This predatory behavior is reminiscent of Microsoft.
If they keep this up, they will wind up like them. Trying to compete in every market imaginable, just because you can, doesn't mean its a good idea. Microsoft is proof of that since that.
I meant US share.
Though the touchscreen numbers are interesting . . .
I don't think that iPhone OS will ever gain a dominant share because it is and will always be limited to one phone. I have plenty of friends who refuse to get an iPhone because everyone else has one. With Android, different manufacturers will develop different devices tailored to different tastes. On top of that Apple exercises monopoly pricing on its phones because there is no other competitor quite like it. It's the reason that Macs are almost never discounted as well. There's no one else making a computer that runs OSX out of the box (anymore). Android phones compete with each other, so the manufacturers are driven to lower prices and increase volume. All these factors lead me to believe that Android will inevitably take the lion's share of smartphone OS.
25% is a long way away, and June is just around the corner. The competition tends not to like June, for some reason.
But in the past, There were major updates in June. This year will be different - Apple is catching up to where Android was a while ago, rather than surpassing it with innovative new stuffs.
I predict a major Android update in Early to mid June. And another one timed to capture Back-To School, or perhaps the Holiday Season. And again in the spring.
Don't get me wrong - the Apple implementations will be elegant.
But by this time next year, the Apple OS will be pretty much 4.0 with some new tweaks. Where will the Android platform be?
its great when people allow marketing to tell them what to believe
So, the motto of Google is said to be "Do no evil"
- Google has scanned and made available copyrighted content without even attempting to pay proper royalties
- Google collect TONS of personal information about users, without their consent or knowledge
- Googles security has been compromised, exposing the TONS of personal information - and if any company has the resources to do security "right" it is Google
- Google's Eric Schmidt has stolen ideas and strategies form the Apple Board. He should have resigned form the board when it occurred to him that Google might go inthe direction of being an Apple competitor, instead he resigned only fairly recently after absorbing (stealing) as much from Apple as he could
Now the "Do no evil" company is fighting for control of the smartphone (Android), desktop (Chrome OS), and tablet business (Android).
Google's mode of business is SCARY, and exploitive.
I will and would take a little quality control, often referred to as censorship, at Apple's App store and in the allowable programming for the iPhone and iPad any day. At least there is at least some aspect and reason that is good for the consumer.
Google is the devil incarnate. I think when the phrase "Do no evil" was introduced, it was meant as a suggestion to others, so Google could proceed without competition in the execution of evil.
So what about Chrome OS? I was referring to Android.
Google does good software for the web. There is no doubt about it. If only they focused on their core strengths instead of going after every possible market including their partners... This predatory behavior is reminiscent of Microsoft.
Google is trying to ensure that they have an avenue to distribute their products to smartphone users.
We've already seen Apple shut out some of their products from iPhone OS (google navi, voice, etc...)
First off, HTC IS a hardware company. HTC made the Nexus One, not Google.
Second off, you are telling me that Google doesn't know how to do anything other than a desktop search. So you don't think Gmail is very successful, or that Google Calendar is either? What about Google Docs? Google Voice?
Good god, man, you are drooling over Gmail and Google Calendar? You consider them revolutionary products? How much money is Google making on these?
Google does a lot of "me-too" stuff and gives it away, hoping they will make some money on these some day. Hah !!
If Android is any indication, exponential growth is what happens.
If Google can match the processing power and 10 hour battery life, this device will take off.
Android is open source and the Android market is an open market. This all leads to higher competition, which leads to better products.
I don't think Google has any fan boys though. Yeah, they have a pretty good search engine, maps too, but Apple fans just LOVE their iDevices. Plus Apple also has a mysterious female attraction as well, - the ladies seem to love the Apple sense of style. Google has no style except maybe clunky, complicated and confusing, if that can be considered a style. Apple wins with the general population, Google with some of the geeks and the spend thrifts.
I think you forgot the most important thing.
Apple is the first to sell more then 300.000 internet devices without anyone seeing the device. That is pretty good for a device that doesn't play half of the internet content.
Now that is a 1st.
Don't get me wrong I think the Ipad is cute, and I like Apple products but all this gushing, give me a break it's just a company.
That's what a company can do when it controls its hardware and software--and has a long track record of making quality devices. Those of us that have used Macs for years already know fundamentally how the iPad will work. If one sees demonstrations they like and they are happy with the price it is a safe bet to buy sight-unseen. It has more to do with trust than "gushing" or being a fanboy.
P.S. Where is the "other half" of the internet that it can't play? Is it only available on Windows or something, because I've never seen it.
I have plenty of friends who refuse to get an iPhone because everyone else has one. .
Is this why no one bought iPods?
So Apple invented the tablet? I didn't know that. I can't believe all the "omg Google sucks because they're copying Apple" comments.
We know the following: Google is probably making a tablet computer. Are they not allowed to do this? Apple did not invent the tablet computer, or the idea of mobile apps, or even an app store.
I did not say Apple invented the tablet, that is absurd! where did you get that from?
Apple innovated the whole tablet experience, so from this day forward the majority of new tablets will resemble the iPad's look and UI, just like what happened with the iPhone.
I believe Apple made a big booboo by allowing Google board members on Apple's board, and I believe that that is why Google is trailing closest behind Apple, and that is why SJ is rightfully pissed off.
Hardware competition is a good thing and the Net keeps us all linked.
What would be bad would be losing Net Neutrality.
Competition is not blatant duplication of another's idea. Where did you pick up such a warped philosophy?
Net neutrality is happy little phrase to make people feel good about a really bad concept.
As in all things in life, you should pay your own tab. You get charged for the phone minutes you use, why should the internet be any different? Hippies? Rainbows? Because you file share illegal stuff (the ONLY real world use for anonymous peer-to-peer swap protocols) and want everyone else to pay for it?
I'm sure you have some imagined scenario where a phantom evil corporation is somehow corrupting your perfect socialist bubble.
I propose that not only do bandwidth hogs get a higher bill, but they also lose their connection after a certain point.
According to this report, there's only one smartphone OS over 25%
http://www.canalys.com/pr/2010/r2010021.html
Symbian. Everybody knows that.
But if we deny that there exist any Symbian phones which qualify as smartphones, then the numbers change dramatically.
We've been through this.
Google is the devil incarnate.
Wow. Those are strong words.
Good god, man, you are drooling over Gmail and Google Calendar? You consider them revolutionary products? How much money is Google making on these?
Google does a lot of "me-too" stuff and gives it away, hoping they will make some money on these some day. Hah !!
I'm not drooling over them, but I do recognize they are definitely NOT useless.
I don't think Google has any fan boys though. Yeah, they have a pretty good search engine, maps too, but Apple fans just LOVE their iDevices. Plus Apple also has a mysterious female attraction as well, - the ladies seem to love the Apple sense of style. Google has no style except maybe clunky, complicated and confusing, if that can be considered a style. Apple wins with the general population, Google with some of the geeks and the spend thrifts.
Style is subjective. I don't think there's any one design that will make everyone happy, and in that respect I believe Android will win out here. The iPhone is a very good looking phone, but it's going to be at least 1 year between updates. In contrast, a new Android phone comes out every few months it seems. This means the style is updated faster as well as the specs.
And if you're calling the Nexus one clunky complicated and confusing, I think you're just plain wrong.
Net neutrality is happy little phrase to make people feel good about a really bad concept.
As in all things in life, you should pay your own tab. You get charged for the phone minutes you use, why should the internet be any different? Hippies? Rainbows? Because you file share illegal stuff (the ONLY real world use for anonymous peer-to-peer swap protocols) and want everyone else to pay for it?
Except when it is not about file sharing but about favoring their own services in an anti-competitive way.
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