Hehe, sorry, but since these Opera guys were creating such a ballyhoo around this junk, including an original blackmail countdown timer... I figured it deserves some space
'blackmail'
geez guys, Apple accepted the app. you are allowed to stop hating Opera now.
You guys aren't getting it, this move to approve a third party browser is to further support the idea that we don't need Flash.
Brilliant strateg-ery Apple. Keep going.
Maybe this was sarcasm and it's just lost on me, but I don't see how approving a third-party browser is a move against Flash. Windows supports any browser written for it and Flash is used on almost 100% of those computers. Again, maybe I'm just a little dense and didn't get the joke.
Hate to break it to you, and others, but there is very little security when using any wireless method. Sure the website might be secured, but your over-the-air transmission of data can be tapped into. You are after all using a radio. For banking and such, you should never use Wi-Fi or Cell towers. Also, what is the difference whether it goes through Opera's servers, your web traffic goes through AT&T servers also.
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Originally Posted by iJohn
I don't like the idea of having all my web traffic passing through Opera servers. I'm happy with Safari.
In order to get approved this browser has to support HTML5 and not support Flash, Java, and Silverlight.
The review on Engadget demonstrated Opera opening 5 pages of the NY Times on the Edge network as compare to Safari's 1 page load. The Opera browser on the iPhone looks very slick. I'd use it over Safari if I had an iPhone.
I use it on the Blackberry as it is the best Blackberry browser.
Um. As far as i can tell there is no pinch to zoom. Its tap and double tap to zoom in and out respectively.
Then it is even worse (must have interpreted my pinching as tapping)... it does not detect containers properly and without a manual pinch to zoom capability the user can't even get the desired part of the page at a proper magnification at all. Complete junk.
I've just recently started using the Opera Mobile 10 browser for Symbian on my Nokia (don't judge - I prefer a real keyboard - plus I have a new iPad) and its been a revelation, making the crappy MEdiaNet browser look just as bad as it is. I had been hoping that Mozilla would eventually relent and release some Fennec-type version for Symbian, now that is moot. Personally on Mac OS X I much prefer Firefox over Safari; I think its fine for Apple to have some software competition on all of its devices.
This post is really the key... Opera Mobile truly is a great browser... On any platform that is not the iPhone. I have an iPhone for personal use, and a Blackberry given to me by my employer. Opera is the only thing that makes web browsing tolerable on the Blackberry, but I use it as rarely as possible because there simply is not a better mobile browser than Safari on the iPhone/iPad.
It's very quick to download, noticeably outside of 3G and wifi, so I'll probably use it every now and then if I'm in a real hurry. It saves complete pages in "saved pages" and a few in history (making some sites much quicker to navigate) so iPod Touch users might like it, sometimes.
However, it's very jerky and juddery and page layouts are often ugly. The New York Times mostly badly formatted. Appleinsider has a thin column of text that reads like this-
Opera
has announced
Apple's approval of the
company's
Opera Mini
browser in the
iPhone App
Store.
It gets better when the page reformats after scrolling down the page past the first five most recent articles, but gone is the sense of a full web experience, it's much more some kind of a hybrid between a mobile browser and full browser.
There's no pinch to zoom and the dismal one zoomed in view makes some links hard to tap on because they're so small, they often don't respond without numerous taps either.
2. If the page is quite wide (like AI) the initial render doesn't look that good - there's no anti aliasing to smooth out the jaggies but the render IS faithful to the page. It is a cosmetic issue which would be an affront to a few.
3. Tap to zoom is fine. Not as smooth as a 'native' zoom. The double tap to zoom back out is a little hit and miss. There doesn't seem to be a
4. Doesn't lock into a plane when scrolling. This is a little frustrating.
In short. I think the native Safari experience is a more pleasurable one, but this app certainly has its place, particularly in GPRS areas. Rendering is true and surfing is not unpleasant. The speed alone is persuasive. Bandwidth saving might make it a keeper too. TBH, I'm surprised it is in the app store.
No matter how good it is, if it was developed using 3rd party cross-compilers or tools it will be a dead end when OS 4 comes out. And that's a bad thing . . .
No. Opera 10.5 is written for Cocoa for the Desktop as well for the iPhone OS.
They don't have to include Flash support for the mobile and they are big proponents for HTML5/CSS3/SVG and adhering to Cocoa won't be hard.
It's very quick to download, noticeably outside of 3G and wifi, so I'll probably use it every now and then if I'm in a real hurry. It saves complete pages in history, so iPod Touch users might like it, sometimes.
However, it's very jerky and juddery and page layouts are often ugly. The New York Times not too bad but Appleinsider's has a thin column of text that reads like this-
Opera
has announced
Apple's approval of the
company's
Opera Mini
browser in the
iPhone App
Store.
There's no pinch to zoom and the dismal one zoomed in view makes some links hard to tap on because they're so small, they often don't respond without numerous taps either.
It seems to me that the minimum rendered width of the AI homepage without introducing sideways scrolling is about 730px. If you resize your browser to that width the home page looks much the same. I suppose the rendering server has to make some decision about how wide the page needs to be.
It seems to me the zoom is sufficient to make the text rendered at the selected size in the settings. If that is the case I don't understand how the links could be too small? Certainly getting to page number links of forum threads in safari is just as small a target.
2. If the page is quite wide (like AI) the initial render doesn't look that good - there's no anti aliasing to smooth out the jaggies but the render IS faithful to the page. It is a cosmetic issue which would be an affront to a few.
3. Tap to zoom is fine. Not as smooth as a 'native' zoom. The double tap to zoom back out is a little hit and miss. There doesn't seem to be a
4. Doesn't lock into a plane when scrolling. This is a little frustrating.
In short. I think the native Safari experience is a more pleasurable one, but this app certainly has its place, particularly in GPRS areas. Rendering is true and surfing is not unpleasant. The speed alone is persuasive. Bandwidth saving might make it a keeper too. TBH, I'm surprised it is in the app store.
I'd give it three stars. Solid effort.
If you disable image downloads (not sure if iphone version does that but wm does) it's great for when you're roaming or out of 3g area as you said. I use it to check the scores of games, look up something on wikipedia, or do some quick google news reading.
Also, as far as I know, Opera Mini is made with Java, which might not be supported in OS4? Or is it? I'm a bit unclear. Anyways, if it isn't supported in OS4, I think you found the reason why it's being offered now. It'll just get taken down soon.
Going to test more on iPhone without 3G. It's not as smooth as mobile safari, especially the zooming...which is limited and choppy depending on what site you are browsing.
Limited but quick, good for mobile sites at first glance. Been awhile since I've used another mobile browser, could come in handy.
I tried to browse a couple of web sites which require me to log in, and got an "invalid password" in both cases. These two web sites are completely unrelated and logins/passwords that I used are also very much different.
Weird (but maybe not, considering that "all stuff goes via Opera's servers" - unfortunately I read this *after* I tried and failed)
It seems to me that the minimum rendered width of the AI homepage without introducing sideways scrolling is about 730px. If you resize your browser to that width the home page looks much the same. I suppose the rendering server has to make some decision about how wide the page needs to be.
It seems to me the zoom is sufficient to make the text rendered at the selected size in the settings. If that is the case I don't understand how the links could be too small? Certainly getting to page number links of forum threads in safari is just as small a target.
In Safari I'll often pinch out to make links, especially page numbers in forums, bigger so I hit the right one. You can only zoom in so far and no more in Opera mini which means the links smaller, not only that but the links, especially page numbers, like here in ai just don't open a lot of the time without tapping on them numerous times.
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Brilliant strateg-ery Apple. Keep going.
Hehe, sorry, but since these Opera guys were creating such a ballyhoo around this junk, including an original blackmail countdown timer... I figured it deserves some space
'blackmail'
geez guys, Apple accepted the app. you are allowed to stop hating Opera now.
You guys aren't getting it, this move to approve a third party browser is to further support the idea that we don't need Flash.
Brilliant strateg-ery Apple. Keep going.
Maybe this was sarcasm and it's just lost on me, but I don't see how approving a third-party browser is a move against Flash. Windows supports any browser written for it and Flash is used on almost 100% of those computers. Again, maybe I'm just a little dense and didn't get the joke.
I don't like the idea of having all my web traffic passing through Opera servers. I'm happy with Safari.
Downloaded it.
Installed it.
Opened appleinsider.com.
Cringed.
Tried some more complex sites.
Almost fainted.
Deleted it.
Rated it 1 star.
Rendition is terrible. Pinch to zoom is like sawing a marshmallow. Makes Mobile Safari look like the greatest browser ever.
Um. As far as i can tell there is no pinch to zoom. Its tap and double tap to zoom in and out respectively.
Downloaded it.
Installed it.
Opened appleinsider.com.
Cringed.
Tried some more complex sites.
Almost fainted.
Deleted it.
Rated it 1 star.
Rendition is terrible. Pinch to zoom is like sawing a marshmallow. Makes Mobile Safari look like the greatest browser ever.
Um. As far as i can tell there is no pinch to zoom. Its tap and double tap to zoom in and out respectively.
That. is. hilarious.
I wonder how the rest of his review really went.
The review on Engadget demonstrated Opera opening 5 pages of the NY Times on the Edge network as compare to Safari's 1 page load. The Opera browser on the iPhone looks very slick. I'd use it over Safari if I had an iPhone.
I use it on the Blackberry as it is the best Blackberry browser.
Um. As far as i can tell there is no pinch to zoom. Its tap and double tap to zoom in and out respectively.
Then it is even worse (must have interpreted my pinching as tapping)... it does not detect containers properly and without a manual pinch to zoom capability the user can't even get the desired part of the page at a proper magnification at all. Complete junk.
I've just recently started using the Opera Mobile 10 browser for Symbian on my Nokia (don't judge - I prefer a real keyboard - plus I have a new iPad) and its been a revelation, making the crappy MEdiaNet browser look just as bad as it is. I had been hoping that Mozilla would eventually relent and release some Fennec-type version for Symbian, now that is moot. Personally on Mac OS X I much prefer Firefox over Safari; I think its fine for Apple to have some software competition on all of its devices.
This post is really the key... Opera Mobile truly is a great browser... On any platform that is not the iPhone. I have an iPhone for personal use, and a Blackberry given to me by my employer. Opera is the only thing that makes web browsing tolerable on the Blackberry, but I use it as rarely as possible because there simply is not a better mobile browser than Safari on the iPhone/iPad.
However, it's very jerky and juddery and page layouts are often ugly. The New York Times mostly badly formatted. Appleinsider has a thin column of text that reads like this-
Opera
has announced
Apple's approval of the
company's
Opera Mini
browser in the
iPhone App
Store.
It gets better when the page reformats after scrolling down the page past the first five most recent articles, but gone is the sense of a full web experience, it's much more some kind of a hybrid between a mobile browser and full browser.
There's no pinch to zoom and the dismal one zoomed in view makes some links hard to tap on because they're so small, they often don't respond without numerous taps either.
Because of it's speed 4/5 stars.
That. is. hilarious.
I wonder how the rest of his review really went.
It clogged my toilet! voted 1 and uninstalled!
That. is. hilarious.
I wonder how the rest of his review really went.
This is my initial review.
1. It is quick. Stupid Quick.
2. If the page is quite wide (like AI) the initial render doesn't look that good - there's no anti aliasing to smooth out the jaggies but the render IS faithful to the page. It is a cosmetic issue which would be an affront to a few.
3. Tap to zoom is fine. Not as smooth as a 'native' zoom. The double tap to zoom back out is a little hit and miss. There doesn't seem to be a
4. Doesn't lock into a plane when scrolling. This is a little frustrating.
In short. I think the native Safari experience is a more pleasurable one, but this app certainly has its place, particularly in GPRS areas. Rendering is true and surfing is not unpleasant. The speed alone is persuasive. Bandwidth saving might make it a keeper too. TBH, I'm surprised it is in the app store.
I'd give it three stars. Solid effort.
No matter how good it is, if it was developed using 3rd party cross-compilers or tools it will be a dead end when OS 4 comes out. And that's a bad thing . . .
No. Opera 10.5 is written for Cocoa for the Desktop as well for the iPhone OS.
They don't have to include Flash support for the mobile and they are big proponents for HTML5/CSS3/SVG and adhering to Cocoa won't be hard.
It's very quick to download, noticeably outside of 3G and wifi, so I'll probably use it every now and then if I'm in a real hurry. It saves complete pages in history, so iPod Touch users might like it, sometimes.
However, it's very jerky and juddery and page layouts are often ugly. The New York Times not too bad but Appleinsider's has a thin column of text that reads like this-
Opera
has announced
Apple's approval of the
company's
Opera Mini
browser in the
iPhone App
Store.
There's no pinch to zoom and the dismal one zoomed in view makes some links hard to tap on because they're so small, they often don't respond without numerous taps either.
It seems to me that the minimum rendered width of the AI homepage without introducing sideways scrolling is about 730px. If you resize your browser to that width the home page looks much the same. I suppose the rendering server has to make some decision about how wide the page needs to be.
It seems to me the zoom is sufficient to make the text rendered at the selected size in the settings. If that is the case I don't understand how the links could be too small? Certainly getting to page number links of forum threads in safari is just as small a target.
Now Opera release an iPad version ASAP!
This is my initial review.
1. It is quick. Stupid Quick.
2. If the page is quite wide (like AI) the initial render doesn't look that good - there's no anti aliasing to smooth out the jaggies but the render IS faithful to the page. It is a cosmetic issue which would be an affront to a few.
3. Tap to zoom is fine. Not as smooth as a 'native' zoom. The double tap to zoom back out is a little hit and miss. There doesn't seem to be a
4. Doesn't lock into a plane when scrolling. This is a little frustrating.
In short. I think the native Safari experience is a more pleasurable one, but this app certainly has its place, particularly in GPRS areas. Rendering is true and surfing is not unpleasant. The speed alone is persuasive. Bandwidth saving might make it a keeper too. TBH, I'm surprised it is in the app store.
I'd give it three stars. Solid effort.
If you disable image downloads (not sure if iphone version does that but wm does) it's great for when you're roaming or out of 3g area as you said. I use it to check the scores of games, look up something on wikipedia, or do some quick google news reading.
Also, as far as I know, Opera Mini is made with Java, which might not be supported in OS4? Or is it? I'm a bit unclear. Anyways, if it isn't supported in OS4, I think you found the reason why it's being offered now. It'll just get taken down soon.
Going to test more on iPhone without 3G. It's not as smooth as mobile safari, especially the zooming...which is limited and choppy depending on what site you are browsing.
Limited but quick, good for mobile sites at first glance. Been awhile since I've used another mobile browser, could come in handy.
Weird (but maybe not, considering that "all stuff goes via Opera's servers" - unfortunately I read this *after* I tried and failed)
It seems to me that the minimum rendered width of the AI homepage without introducing sideways scrolling is about 730px. If you resize your browser to that width the home page looks much the same. I suppose the rendering server has to make some decision about how wide the page needs to be.
It seems to me the zoom is sufficient to make the text rendered at the selected size in the settings. If that is the case I don't understand how the links could be too small? Certainly getting to page number links of forum threads in safari is just as small a target.
In Safari I'll often pinch out to make links, especially page numbers in forums, bigger so I hit the right one. You can only zoom in so far and no more in Opera mini which means the links smaller, not only that but the links, especially page numbers, like here in ai just don't open a lot of the time without tapping on them numerous times.