First look: Opera Mini for iPhone

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  • Reply 61 of 85
    zindakozindako Posts: 468member
    Whoa whoa, did internet explorer seriously lose that much steam in the past couple years?
  • Reply 62 of 85
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by zindako View Post


    Whoa whoa, did internet explorer seriously lose that much steam in the past couple years?





    I just checked the W3schools OS usage and Windows is 86% which by my rough calculations indicats that only 1/3 Windows users actually use IE, the rest FF, Cr, Safari, etc.
  • Reply 63 of 85
    timwtimw Posts: 3member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mosqueda View Post


    I noticed Opera Mini kicks you out of its browser and into Safari to show video.



    I noticed this too on one of our mobile sites. The problem is: we use user agent detection in javascript to stream one video format (h.264) to iPhone / iPod Touch, and another video format (3gp) to everything else. So now Opera Mini relays the video url to Safari, but with the user agent string "broken", Safari tries to open the wrong format.



    How the hell are you supposed to detect "Opera Mini on iPhone" ?
  • Reply 64 of 85
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by insike View Post


    Huh? So WebKit is the standard engine on the web? Wow.



    Among mobile browsers it is the leader & engine of choice, definitely not for desktops though.



    I suspect the speed differences might be found in how text appears as lines. It may not be fully rendering all parts of the page until you zoom in.
  • Reply 65 of 85
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TimW View Post


    I noticed this too on one of our mobile sites. The problem is: we use user agent detection in javascript to stream one video format (h.264) to iPhone / iPod Touch, and another video format (3gp) to everything else. So now Opera Mini relays the video url to Safari, but with the user agent string "broken", Safari tries to open the wrong format.



    How the hell are you supposed to detect "Opera Mini on iPhone" ?



    try some part of this



    Opera/9.80 (J2ME/MIDP; Opera Mini/$CLIENT_VERSION/$SERVER_VERSION; U; $LANGUAGE) Presto/$PRESTO_VERSION



    Opera/9.80 (J2ME/MIDP; Opera Mini/5.0.0176/1150; U; en) Presto/2.4.15
  • Reply 66 of 85
    timwtimw Posts: 3member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mstone View Post


    try some part of this



    Opera/9.50 (J2ME/MIDP; Opera Mini/4.0.10031/298; U; en)



    which is Opera Mini for Blackberry



    Thanks for the suggestion. Some googlin' lead me to this page: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2...mini-on-iphone, but I'm still not sure if the suggested string is specifically for Opera-on-iPhone. Will have to test, because I still want to point Opera Mini on Blackberry (and other devices) to the 3gp url
  • Reply 67 of 85
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TimW View Post


    Thanks for the suggestion. Some googlin' lead me to this page: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2...mini-on-iphone, but I'm still not sure if the suggested string is specifically for Opera-on-iPhone. Will have to test, because I still want to point Opera Mini on Blackberry (and other devices) to the 3gp url





    http://my.opera.com/ODIN/blog/what-o...for-developers



    You should use the HTTP header



    HTTP_X_OPERAMINI_PHONE_UA



    which returns



    Apple # iPhone
  • Reply 68 of 85
    Opera mini works very well on my 3G. Been using it all day and significantly increases speed of page loading on wi-fi and (especially) 3G.
  • Reply 69 of 85
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by synagence View Post


    What a shame that Opera has totally failed capitalise on this opportunity. What were they thinking? The App totally misses the mark in terms of native iPhone UI standards and its page rendering is just as shocking as its desktop counterpart. ... What were they thinking?



    I don't like the look either, but in their defence, practically the whole raison d'être for Opera is their "unique" interfaces. They believe that their wacky interfaces are great and "different" and "creative" and all that good stuff.



    Judging by market share, most people don't agree and the reason I hear most from people as to why they don't use Opera is "it's ugly" or "it's weird" or something similar about the unique UI.



    So while it may seem strange to you, it's hardly unexpected that Opera would fail to follow standard UI practices or try to "fit in" look and feel wise. It would be weirder if they made something that looked like it belonged.
  • Reply 70 of 85
    bushman4bushman4 Posts: 862member
    OPERA mini may be good for certain situatiuons, but I wouldn't consider it my browser of choice.
  • Reply 71 of 85
    bongobongo Posts: 158member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post


    I don't like the look either, but in their defence, practically the whole raison d'être for Opera is their "unique" interfaces. They believe that their wacky interfaces are great and "different" and "creative" and all that good stuff.



    Judging by market share, most people don't agree and the reason I hear most from people as to why they don't use Opera is "it's ugly" or "it's weird" or something similar about the unique UI.



    Judging by market share isn't something Mac users should do
  • Reply 72 of 85
    dlcmhdlcmh Posts: 43member
    For me, Opera makes browsing AI's forum posts a more comfortable experience due to the larger text that's formatted nicely for reading.





    http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidchinphoto/4517387319/





    The text is much too small on Safari.
  • Reply 73 of 85
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post


    I don't like the look either, but in their defence, practically the whole raison d'être for Opera is their "unique" interfaces. They believe that their wacky interfaces are great and "different" and "creative" and all that good stuff.



    Judging by market share, most people don't agree and the reason I hear most from people as to why they don't use Opera is "it's ugly" or "it's weird" or something similar about the unique UI.



    So while it may seem strange to you, it's hardly unexpected that Opera would fail to follow standard UI practices or try to "fit in" look and feel wise. It would be weirder if they made something that looked like it belonged.



    I can forgive the uniqueness on mac/windows/linux but on something like iphone where you expect certain gestures (which are freely available in the dev-kit) to be used it just wrenches you out of that muscle memory state



    The simple fact that the page cannot be viewed without zooming at all and then its a single level of zoom is just lazy and sloppy ...



    My point originally was that they had a tremendous opportunity with their iPhone app to make Opera a viable, popular, serious competitor to Safari on a platform that enjoys a lions share of mobile browsing ....

    To miss the mark so wildly with an app that could have brought them a serious market share is just careless and speaks greatly to the whole company and direction...



    They missed their shot at this.... all eyes were watching to see if Apple let them in ... the fact they did and the app is poor just looks bad for opera now
  • Reply 74 of 85
    trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,464member
    No shot has been missed for anyone who has jailbroke to Tmobile or who has questionable 3G coverage this program is a godsend. It reduces the necessary download by 80-90% in many cases. Even if it has some display glitches at times it is likely due to the reduction of data. I mean seriously. If you are behind a big hill, in a thick building, whatever and this program can make 2G feel like 3G for free, what's to complain about?



    I've got my iPhone on Tmobile where I get 1000 minutes unlimited text and data for $65 a month versus $90 at AT&T and that is with half as many voice minutes. If I had a 2G iPhone, I'd be all over this in a second.



    This is no different than the $.99 camcorder apps. Do they turn a 3G into a 3GS, no but they are a great new feature for cheap/nothing. They don't have to be perfect, the standard or even what I would use at home on wi-fi. They can still be the solution to a problem though and Opera is a very good solution to a very common problem, questionable network coverage.
  • Reply 75 of 85
    insikeinsike Posts: 188member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by synagence View Post


    Opera could have made itself relavent again with this release onto such a prevalent platform (60%+ of mobile browser market)



    60%? Uh, no. Opera has about 30% market share in the mobile browser market, whereas the iPhone has about 2%. Opera isn't just "relevant". It's the dominant mobile phone browser.



    Also, why would they spend too much time tweaking their UI to fit on the iPhone before they even knew for sure that it would be approved? Now that it's approved they can start doing serious UI work.



    Quote:

    No pinch to zoom / granular zooming



    Tap to zoom instead.



    Quote:

    What were they thinking?



    That they wanted to see if they were allowed onto the iPhone before putting serious resources on the project?
  • Reply 76 of 85
    insikeinsike Posts: 188member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pmz View Post


    This is one app that sucks horribly. Nothing about it is good, at all.



    Apart from the instant back navigation, superior tabbed browsing, text search on pages, fullscreen surfing, etc.? Come on, if you can't find anything good to say about it you are clearly blinded by Apple fanboyism.



    Quote:

    Speed? There is no speed. This is, at best, half as fast as Safari.



    In that case there's a problem on your end, because it's definitely much faster for everyone else. Especially on 3G or slower connections.



    Quote:

    Tabs? They're not tabs. They're other windows, that take up less screen space than they should.



    Yes, they are tabs. Safari's, however, aren't.



    Quote:

    And for the sake of memory usage, best practice is still to keep only one active window, or risk crashing.



    That's an interesting comment, considering the crashing problems a lot of people are having with Safari.



    Quote:

    Guess what? There have been other (useful!) web browsers in the App Store since July 08.



    Guess what? Those are not "browsers". They are skins for Safari.



    Quote:

    Notice all the advertising on Operas "app support" page?



    What ads?
  • Reply 77 of 85
    allerbeallerbe Posts: 13member
    1 - Touch the bookmarks button.

    2 - Navigate to the root of your bookmarks tree.

    3 - There's a bookmark that's called 'Find in page'.

    4 - Guess what it does...
  • Reply 78 of 85
    insikeinsike Posts: 188member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by macFanDave View Post


    I went to my favorite web site and Opera Mini forced me to the mobile version of the page. On Safari, I can choose between the regular web version and the mobile.



    How is that Opera Mini forcing you? It's the site that decides whether you are sent to the mobile site or not, and if you are given a choice or not.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by xStatiCa View Post


    I am sure they use the statistics from all that data to make money somehow.



    No they don't.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TBell View Post


    For instance, you can't do banking on Opera [it doesn't allow encryption] and it ignores sites that have special mobile set ups.



    This is completely wrong. Opera doesn't only allow encryption, but all communication between the Opera Mini server and client is encrypted. So Opera Mini is in fact actually safer than other browsers on public wifi connections!



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Carniphage View Post


    I am not sure why they went to all the trouble to bypass Cocoa Touch



    They didn't. They just used their standard mobile browser UI. Using Cocoa Touch would have been "trouble", especially before they were sure that it would be approved.



    Now that it's approved they can start considering doing more integration with the iPhone. Now they know there's actually a reason to do it.
  • Reply 79 of 85
    insikeinsike Posts: 188member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Glockpop View Post


    WebKit is pretty much the only mobile browser engine anyone uses. Firefox has Fennec, but its pretty scarce. Pocket IE is absolutely terrible. Opera has a small share and renders pretty roughly, as the photos show.



    Actually, Opera has about 30% of the mobile phone browser market. iPhone has about 20%. Opera is the dominant mobile phone browser.



    Quote:

    WebKit also has about 16% of the desktop market, while Opera's engine has about 2% share. FF is around 46% and IE is now at 32% according to http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp



    Those stats are completely useless, as they only represent that site. But why are you talking about desktop browsers? Opera Mini is a mobile browser.
  • Reply 80 of 85
    tulkastulkas Posts: 3,757member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Allerbe View Post


    1 - Touch the bookmarks button.

    2 - Navigate to the root of your bookmarks tree.

    3 - There's a bookmark that's called 'Find in page'.

    4 - Guess what it does...



    really? I don't see that. Maybe because I sync bookmarks to MobileMe and the Safari bookmarks from my Mac and PC don't have that 'bookmark' and overwrote the mobile Safari bookmarks....hmm



    Would have been a useful feature....but why the hell would they put it in Bookmarks?
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