California authorities seize computers of Gizmodo editor

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  • Reply 141 of 530
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,503member
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    There is a direct link here that I think this is better defined as causation or cause and effect.



    Karma is the Law of Cause and Effect.
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  • Reply 142 of 530
    rkrickrkrick Posts: 66member
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    Let's stop falling back on that. In a criminal case you must be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a crime has been committed and if the "victim" is unwilling to state a crime has been committed against them, i.e.: a police report or ratified statement stating such makes this a difficult case to prosecute.



    While I agree that the case may be difficult to prosecute, it is still not too late for either Apple or the Apple engineer to make such a statement. If the engineer was or will be fired I would think he would make the claim that it was stolen from him.



    Typically (key word) a judge will not issue a search warrant unless the DA can produce some significant evidence that a crime was committed.
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  • Reply 143 of 530
    grahamwgrahamw Posts: 575member
    You know what the best part of this whole fiasco is?



    Like, the best?



    We're all getting a free education in Californian law. Two more weeks of this crap and I'll be able to sit the bar half drunk on German beer.









    Hope nobody nicks my iPhone while I do.
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  • Reply 144 of 530
    rbonnerrbonner Posts: 635member
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    Made my day, thank you!
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  • Reply 145 of 530
    msfmsf Posts: 20member
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    Oh really? Apparently you're unable to put 2 + 2 together and realize how dangerous a precedent this is for our free media. If the rich (Steve Jobs) can influence the police to raid the homes of his enemies, even after the police are legally notified their warrant is invalid, that means you can no longer trust what you read in the press. You must assume going forward that everything published has been put through a filter of "we had to make sure this wouldn't piss off anyone rich who might raid us", which puts a tinge of doubt into every article. And that's a scary thing indeed. Cold War Pravda, anyone?



    I know. Things seem to have been moving very very quickly. One has to wonder why.



    I pray to god Steve Jobs did not influence anyone. It is getting harder and harder to support Apple.
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  • Reply 146 of 530
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


    Karma is the Law of Cause and Effect.



    Yes, but almost always applied to a non-direct causality so that action itself is not the cause, but instead the negative or positive aspect of the action translating to a circuitous effect.
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  • Reply 147 of 530
    jpdlvmhjpdlvmh Posts: 72member
    I am absolutely amazed what these b******s have done. In spite of the fact that the chief a*******e DID see the email (stating that Jason would be covered by a journalistic privilege) he could not even take the trouble of finding out if this was right. I hope that Jason had all his files encrypted, since no doubt there was other sensitive information on his computers. I suppose this is a lesson for all of us who have sensitive information on our computers - whether it is just private stuff that we want to keep private or if it involves data about other people as well : ENCRYPT YOUR FILES !!!
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  • Reply 148 of 530
    jdoylejdoyle Posts: 4member
    Hi,



    I can't name sources, but Gray is a friend of a friend, and he is staying very quiet about it, and it quite devastated by the whole thing. One fact I did get was that the phone WAS STOLEN, NOT LOST. This is a fact direct from the source. In the coming weeks I am sure evidence will come out to back this up. Gizmodo stooped very low to do what they did and to out Gray like they did. And he hasn't lost his job.
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  • Reply 149 of 530
    ihxoihxo Posts: 567member
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    Originally Posted by MSF View Post


    I know. Things seem to have been moving very very quickly. One has to wonder why.



    I pray to god Steve Jobs did not influence anyone. It is getting harder and harder to support Apple.



    I know.

    Apple make all their computer in Aluminum. It's getting harder and harder to buy aluminum to make tin foil hat.

    Soon enough I can't even make tin foil hat without buying a macbook pro.
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  • Reply 150 of 530
    The word "journalism" keeps getting thrown around here like it involves a special entitlement.



    Being a journalist does not entitle you to knowingly purchase stolen property or to divulge trade secrets, both of which Gizmodo has done.



    It seems pretty clear cut to me.



    Apple becoming a Gestapo-like entity, complete with black helicopters, is another issue entirely.
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  • Reply 151 of 530
    ihxoihxo Posts: 567member
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    Originally Posted by Goldenclaw View Post


    Apple becoming a Gestapo-like entity, complete with black helicopters, is another issue entirely.



    we need another thread just for that
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  • Reply 152 of 530
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by Goldenclaw View Post


    Apple becoming a Gestapo-like entity, complete with black helicopters, is another issue entirely.



    Those cost extra for no apparent reason. The white ones are much more affordable.
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  • Reply 153 of 530
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,759member
    Here are the remarks from Neowin members, for everyone's amusement.



    http://www.neowin.net/news/gizmodo-e...eized#comments



    LOL
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  • Reply 154 of 530
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
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    Originally Posted by Apple 1984 View Post


    Why? Because someone may have broken the law and stole an Apple prototype and then sold it to 2-bit trash?



    Because you would expect this kind of operation for hunting down Columbian drugs lord or weapons dealer, not someone who got into possession of and made article about bloody phone, prototype or not.



    Much as I am aware of, Apple's engineer was not killed (or even harmed) in all this, so even if this turns out to be robbery, police action is, at best, extreme, and at worst, not legal... which might point to someone in Apple pulling strings and ties to make an example. Because otherwise, you don't spend tax money to employ special team, damage property, and spend number of workhours on sorting through gigabytes of data in order to confirm circumstances related to one smart phone device.



    In lights of this, I cannot forger that Chinese guy who has committed suicide for loosing his iPhone.



    I don't think these kind of stories are something Apple would like to be linked to.



    Regarding Gizmodo, this might end up being best-ever advertise for them.
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  • Reply 155 of 530
    yuniverseyuniverse Posts: 115member
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    Originally Posted by ktappe View Post


    Oh really? Apparently you're unable to put 2 + 2 together and realize how dangerous a precedent this is for our free media. If the rich (Steve Jobs) can influence the police to raid the homes of his enemies, even after the police are legally notified their warrant is invalid, that means you can no longer trust what you read in the press. You must assume going forward that everything published has been put through a filter of "we had to make sure this wouldn't piss off anyone rich who might raid us", which puts a tinge of doubt into every article. And that's a scary thing indeed. Cold War Pravda, anyone?







    This isn't Apple nor Jobs forcing the investigation,

    as this post points out

    Quote:

    This is a criminal investigation, not civil. i.e. this isn't being done on Apple's behest. Its the police who are investigating it.



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  • Reply 156 of 530
    djsherlydjsherly Posts: 1,031member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jdoyle View Post


    Hi,



    I can't name sources, but Gray is a friend of a friend, and he is staying very quiet about it, and it quite devastated by the whole thing. One fact I did get was that the phone WAS STOLEN, NOT LOST. This is a fact direct from the source. In the coming weeks I am sure evidence will come out to back this up. Gizmodo stooped very low to do what they did and to out Gray like they did. And he hasn't lost his job.



    Gray told you this? Otherwise it's not direct. It's hearsay.
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  • Reply 157 of 530
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,464member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Goldenclaw View Post


    The word "journalism" keeps getting thrown around here like it involves a special entitlement.



    Being a journalist does not entitle you to knowingly purchase stolen property or to divulge trade secrets, both of which Gizmodo has done.



    It seems pretty clear cut to me.



    Apple becoming a Gestapo-like entity, complete with black helicopters, is another issue entirely.



    Yes it does appear clear cut because you are in a messageboard forum versus sitting in a courtroom with opposing counsel before a judge.



    Everyone has watched far too much TV with mythicizes Law to the point where they have a distorted view of how difficult it is to proved right or wrongdoing along the path of due process. It took Apple's legal counsel month to dispatch Psystar, a company with no explicit agreement to make clones, under summary judgment. What makes people think that San Mateo or whomever chooses to take on this task is going to be able to run the gauntlet (journalistic privilege) and slay Gawker/Gizmodo.



    As the Doc said



    "You'll be a daisy if you do"
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  • Reply 158 of 530
    ihxoihxo Posts: 567member
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    Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post


    Because you would expect this kind of operation for hunting down Columbian drugs lord or weapons dealer, not someone who got into possession of and made article about bloody phone, prototype or not.



    Actually it's really not that bad.



    Once upon a time my neighbor was arrested because of not paying for a ticket or something like that. 5 police car surrounded his house, several police pulls out a gun pointing at his door. Thankfully he was at home.
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  • Reply 159 of 530
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,759member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post


    Because you would expect this kind of operation for hunting down Columbian drugs lord or weapons dealer, not someone who got into possession of and made article about bloody phone, prototype or not.



    Much as I am aware of, Apple's engineer was not killed (or even harmed) in all this, so even if this turns out to be robbery, police action is, at best, extreme, and at worst, not legal... which might point to someone in Apple pulling strings and ties to make an example. Because otherwise, you don't spend tax money to employ special team, damage property, and spend number of workhours on sorting through gigabytes of data in order to confirm circumstances related to one smart phone device.



    In lights of this, I cannot forger that Chinese guy who has committed suicide for loosing his iPhone.



    I don't think these kind of stories are something Apple would like to be linked to.



    Regarding Gizmodo, this might end up being best-ever advertise for them.



    This isn't your buddy's phone that got swiped .



    This is sensitive property of the third-largest corporation in the United States. It's not just a "bloody phone." It's not worth a few hundred bucks. It's worth BILLIONS. Apple's market position depends on it. There is a great deal at stake. Use your head.
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  • Reply 160 of 530
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,464member
    Holy Conflict of Interest Batman



    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts1795



    Quote:

    The California criminal investigation into the case of the errant Apple G4 iPhone that Gizmodo.com unveiled before legions of curious Internet readers last week is noteworthy in its potential to make new media law. But it's also striking for another reason: The raid that San Mateo area cops conducted on the house of Gizmodo editor Jason Chen came at the behest of a special multi-agency task force that was founded to work with the computer industry to tackle high-tech crimes. And Apple Inc. sits on the task force's steering committee.





    This is NOT good people. It looks very bad.
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