This will be partially adressed by android 2.2. Beside, people of choosed an android phone with the stuck android UI are able to upgrade easily (Nexus One, Droid ...)
As far as apps are concerned, the Android market now have plenty of application, more than enough ( 35k +). At some point, having more doesnt really matter because most of the apps are the same ( 1000 twitter clients,etc).
Android 2.1 already does folders, multitasking, mail client with multiple account + threaded conversation .....
Apple implementation might be more elegant, but they are playing catching up
(excuse my poor english, it is not my native language)
Unlike the rapidly deployed updates Apple posts for the iPhone OS through iTunes, Android users are unlikely (and often unable) to apply the latest updates to their phones, according to new information published by Google and its AdMob subsidiary.
That's funny enough, but the REALLY funny part is going to come this summer (assuming that Adobe finally releases Flash 10.1 which requires AndroidOS 2.2). All those people using Android phones are going to be wondering why their phone won't run Flash when Google and Adobe say it can.
Then, the ones who are astute enough to figure out how to find an appropriate AndroidOS update (assuming that it's even available) will have all the problems trying to get the cell phone manufacturer to give them the correct version for their phone.
This will be partially adressed by android 2.2. Beside, people of choosed an android phone with the stuck android UI are able to upgrade easily (Nexus One, Droid ...)
As far as apps are concerned, the Android market now have plenty of application, more than enough ( 35k +). At some point, having more doesnt really matter because most of the apps are the same ( 1000 twitter clients,etc).
Android 2.1 already does folders, multitasking, mail client with multiple account + threaded conversation .....
Apple implementation might be more elegant, but they are playing catching up
(excuse my poor english, it is not my native language)
You English is fine. Just a quick one, it's "chose" not "choosed". Choose, chose, chosen. Irregular verbs, the bane of the ESL speakers life.
Now to your points about Andriod. You say people that are stuck on earlier Android OS's can just upgrade their phones. Should they have to? Also, many of these people probably don't know they are using old OS's and need to upgrade. I doubt the phone shops tell them. They will just say, "Look at this great phone, it runs Android." Remember, many of the phones running the 1.x iterations are still being sold.
You say it will be partly addressed by Android 2.2. Probably, but only on those phones that the handset makers decide to install it on and then probably only on new phones.
I agree with you on the Apps. Once you get to a certain number, it just doesn't matter anymore.
Apple may be playing catchup on a few "features", but as an overall experience, I would think, Apple is a mile ahead of the field.
I have heard that argument before - on the Mac side - that the number of applications doesn't matter that much. Remember there are many thousands of applications for a Mac. The reality is that there are thousands and thousands of applications that serve a niche but you need the underlying platform for it. I have had a Mac for quite a while (since '89). It is a minority platform in the large international organization I work for. In my previous assignment I HAD to run Windows 98 (later XP) to be able to do my job. I had no choice as the programs I needed were not available for the Mac. There might have been tens of thousand of applications for the Mac, those were not the ones I needed. I needed some of the ones that were among the hundreds of thousands available for Windows.
True, the number of apps as a generalization is not that relevant. But as soon as it comes to niche apps, it is relevant indeed. Some of the iPhone apps I use regularly I likely will be able to get on the Android as well, but I would guess that half of the ones I use (e.g., my bank's) are not available on the Android. Same with some of my favorite sports channel apps. It is the accumulation of niche relevant apps that increasingly carries the day.
Wow. Huge difference from Apple. Must suck to have Android and be unable to upgrade to the latest OS when your phone may be brand new.
Yes, it does suck. I have the HTC Hero, which I got on launch day, and it was one of the worst purchasing decisions I've ever made. I would love an iPhone but I just can't do AT&T, and my plan on Sprint costs $40 less a month than the equivalent on AT&T. The Sprint service is fine...the phone...not so much.
The Hero is stuck on 1.5. When I bought it, in October, I was told there would be an update in November. Then it was January. Then it was March, then April. And now it's May and they say it will be out within 2 weeks. Yeah, well, I'll believe it when I see it. And no, I can't just update my phone. There is no way to update my phone without installing hackware on it, which I would do, but I'd have to install Windows on my Mac first-which I'd rather not do. Especially if it's only for my stupid phone.
As it is now, I've had to live with a phone that is running an operating system that is not only archaic but doesn't even function properly for what it is. Before this, I had an old thick candy bar style phone that could barely manage a text message. And I MISS THAT PHONE. I have come SO close to literally throwing the Hero into a wall or out the window. I won't even get into the numerous problems it has but it's ridiculous. I can see how other people, who maybe haven't used an iPhone (my boyfriend has one) or an iPod Touch (I have one), might be content with the Hero and might not notice all the problems it has...but I notice them and curse the phone every day. As far as the applications go, the few I've downloaded don't even work, which is probably due to being stuck on 1.5, but who's to really say. And there's no joy to having the all-important "multi-tasking" when the OS crashes all the time or lags because of it. Seriously.
I was at a doctor's appointment the other day and my phone rang while I was with the receptionist. I pulled it out to turn the ringer off and put it back in my pocket. The receptionist asked, oh, is that that Sprint phone? The Hero? I was kind of surprised because it does not get recognized very often. I said, yeah, it is. She said, My friend has that phone. He hates it. I sighed. Yes, I hate it too.
Apple's rapid once a year update? Are you kidding? Even Palm with it's limited resources updates their phones more often than Apple. The G1 and MyTouch aren't getting android 2.0 for the same reason the iPhone 2g and 3G aren't getting multitasking.... Android has had 3 updates in 2009 and already 1 in 2010 with another coming soon... Apple again... Once a year.
Apple's rapid once a year update? Are you kidding? Even Palm with it's limited resources updates their phones more often than Apple. The G1 and MyTouch aren't getting android 2.0 for the same reason the iPhone 2g and 3G aren't getting multitasking.... Android has had 3 updates in 2009 and already 1 in 2010 with another coming soon... Apple again... Once a year.
Yeah, Apple should update more than once a year. But does it matter how many updates Android puts out when a large portion of their user base can't even install the update? What good is that? At least when Apple does have an update, everyone gets to use it.
Huh? There's been at least three updates of OS3. Sure, major updates happen annually, but that seems pretty reasonable. I already have one more update (2 to 3) than I ever got on my winmo phones, and I will get OS4 once it's out.
What google should be doing is as follows: making Android have a compadiblity layer which makes it easy to upgrade the phones. It should make it so that android would automatically detect the architecture in the phone and then upgrade accordingly. If Google does this then i could see people upgrading their phones much easier. Also, Google should have come up with some interface guidelines so that some phones wouldn't have had a UI that would break when there is an update, such as HTC's touch sense. This would have essentially left the updates to Google, and not the handset makers who want to make money.
Do you know how technically complex that is?
HTC's Sense UI is an intermediate layer between Android and the user. Android could add 100s of features, but if Sense doesn't make it available to the user through the UI, it's useless, even if Android doesn't break Sense. But since Android might break Sense and since HTC must support its phone, the customer must wait until HTC regression tests the Android upgrade, even if none of the new features are to be made available.
This is analogous to the argument Jobs just made about Flash-based apps and intermediate layers on iPhone OS.
Thanks for painting all male users with a broad and insulting brush. You once again prove the prejudice that porn users are male.
Actually, not all males like "porn" and as far as I heard, teh Internets are full of porn so there's no reason that you can't have porn on your iPhone if you want that.
Well, you do know that studies have shown that Android-based phone owners are predominantly male, something like 70-30, while iPhone is about 50-50.
Though, of course, it might just have to do with principled geekiness freedom, and nothing to do with porn.
Yes, it does suck. I have the HTC Hero, which I got on launch day, and it was one of the worst purchasing decisions I've ever made. I would love an iPhone but I just can't do AT&T, and my plan on Sprint costs $40 less a month than the equivalent on AT&T. The Sprint service is fine...the phone...not so much.
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I was at a doctor's appointment the other day and my phone rang while I was with the receptionist. I pulled it out to turn the ringer off and put it back in my pocket. The receptionist asked, oh, is that that Sprint phone? The Hero? I was kind of surprised because it does not get recognized very often. I said, yeah, it is. She said, My friend has that phone. He hates it. I sighed. Yes, I hate it too.
Yup, my co-worker gave up his original iPhone for a Hero last November because he got no AT&T reception at his new house (since he moved upon getting married), and his wife and her family were already all on Sprint. He hates it, even compared to the no-3G iPhone.
So, what I'm reading is that 2.2 will fix the fragmentation problem. So, will this update be available for the phones that are currently suffering because of it, or will they have to purchase new phones? If we're going to concern ourselves with the future, then we should also emphasize that iPhone will finally have multitasking, which will remove the one competitive advantage Android currently has over the iPhone.
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Apple's rapid once a year update? Are you kidding? Even Palm with it's limited resources updates their phones more often than Apple. The G1 and MyTouch aren't getting android 2.0 for the same reason the iPhone 2g and 3G aren't getting multitasking.... Android has had 3 updates in 2009 and already 1 in 2010 with another coming soon... Apple again... Once a year.
The iPhone 2G and 3G are each over two-years-old. Some of the Android phones unable to install the 2.0 update aren't so old. Though those older iPhone models won't ever do multitasking, they can use nearly all the same apps as the 3GS (except the ones that require 3GS hardware, of course). Even if I hadn't upgraded my 2G to a 3GS, I could still use all the apps I have (though many of the games would not run as smoothly, and one of them wouldn't run at all because it requires the 3GS). Are the Android phones that are currently in stores but cannot run Android 2.0 because they're outdated as the 2G and the 3G, and if so, what does it say about Google and its partners when they are intentionally releasing phones that are outdated even before they are released? At least with Apple, you can expect your money's worth from your hardware.
I have heard that argument before - on the Mac side - that the number of applications doesn't matter that much.
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True, the number of apps as a generalization is not that relevant. But as soon as it comes to niche apps, it is relevant indeed. Some of the iPhone apps I use regularly I likely will be able to get on the Android as well, but I would guess that half of the ones I use (e.g., my bank's) are not available on the Android. Same with some of my favorite sports channel apps. It is the accumulation of niche relevant apps that increasingly carries the day.
The number of apps did matter, even when Mac users were saying it doesn't back in the 90s. Look at what happened to Mac market share from 1994 to 2000 - it mattered. The coming of the WWW finally made it matter much, much less.
If the WWW is too difficult to use on the small screens of smartphones, and apps are the way to go to simplify that, then apps will matter greatly once again. Apple is saying that they are seeing people primarily access info/services through apps rather than going to websites through browsers. I do that myself, but I don't know of studies saying whether it's true or not.
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As far as apps are concerned, the Android market now have plenty of application, more than enough ( 35k +). At some point, having more doesnt really matter because most of the apps are the same ( 1000 twitter clients,etc).
Android 2.1 already does folders, multitasking, mail client with multiple account + threaded conversation .....
Apple implementation might be more elegant, but they are playing catching up
(excuse my poor english, it is not my native language)
Unlike the rapidly deployed updates Apple posts for the iPhone OS through iTunes, Android users are unlikely (and often unable) to apply the latest updates to their phones, according to new information published by Google and its AdMob subsidiary.
That's funny enough, but the REALLY funny part is going to come this summer (assuming that Adobe finally releases Flash 10.1 which requires AndroidOS 2.2). All those people using Android phones are going to be wondering why their phone won't run Flash when Google and Adobe say it can.
Then, the ones who are astute enough to figure out how to find an appropriate AndroidOS update (assuming that it's even available) will have all the problems trying to get the cell phone manufacturer to give them the correct version for their phone.
It's going to be a riot.
I'll bring the popcorn.
Can you tether AT&T android phones?
Umm lets see tethering,
This will be partially adressed by android 2.2. Beside, people of choosed an android phone with the stuck android UI are able to upgrade easily (Nexus One, Droid ...)
As far as apps are concerned, the Android market now have plenty of application, more than enough ( 35k +). At some point, having more doesnt really matter because most of the apps are the same ( 1000 twitter clients,etc).
Android 2.1 already does folders, multitasking, mail client with multiple account + threaded conversation .....
Apple implementation might be more elegant, but they are playing catching up
(excuse my poor english, it is not my native language)
You English is fine. Just a quick one, it's "chose" not "choosed". Choose, chose, chosen. Irregular verbs, the bane of the ESL speakers life.
Now to your points about Andriod. You say people that are stuck on earlier Android OS's can just upgrade their phones. Should they have to? Also, many of these people probably don't know they are using old OS's and need to upgrade. I doubt the phone shops tell them. They will just say, "Look at this great phone, it runs Android." Remember, many of the phones running the 1.x iterations are still being sold.
You say it will be partly addressed by Android 2.2. Probably, but only on those phones that the handset makers decide to install it on and then probably only on new phones.
I agree with you on the Apps. Once you get to a certain number, it just doesn't matter anymore.
Apple may be playing catchup on a few "features", but as an overall experience, I would think, Apple is a mile ahead of the field.
True, the number of apps as a generalization is not that relevant. But as soon as it comes to niche apps, it is relevant indeed. Some of the iPhone apps I use regularly I likely will be able to get on the Android as well, but I would guess that half of the ones I use (e.g., my bank's) are not available on the Android. Same with some of my favorite sports channel apps. It is the accumulation of niche relevant apps that increasingly carries the day.
Umm lets see tethering... SNIP"
tethering works just fine here in canada. take that one up with att&t
Android's strength is in serving a diverse user community. Android is also the #1 platform for developers who appreciate multitasking.
Neither of which mean a darn thing to 90% of people.
They may be important to techies, but they don't mean squat to regular users.
It's the Lixux desktop all over again. Prepare to be angry and bitter for a long time.
Wow. Huge difference from Apple. Must suck to have Android and be unable to upgrade to the latest OS when your phone may be brand new.
Yes, it does suck. I have the HTC Hero, which I got on launch day, and it was one of the worst purchasing decisions I've ever made. I would love an iPhone but I just can't do AT&T, and my plan on Sprint costs $40 less a month than the equivalent on AT&T. The Sprint service is fine...the phone...not so much.
The Hero is stuck on 1.5. When I bought it, in October, I was told there would be an update in November. Then it was January. Then it was March, then April. And now it's May and they say it will be out within 2 weeks. Yeah, well, I'll believe it when I see it. And no, I can't just update my phone. There is no way to update my phone without installing hackware on it, which I would do, but I'd have to install Windows on my Mac first-which I'd rather not do. Especially if it's only for my stupid phone.
As it is now, I've had to live with a phone that is running an operating system that is not only archaic but doesn't even function properly for what it is. Before this, I had an old thick candy bar style phone that could barely manage a text message. And I MISS THAT PHONE. I have come SO close to literally throwing the Hero into a wall or out the window. I won't even get into the numerous problems it has but it's ridiculous. I can see how other people, who maybe haven't used an iPhone (my boyfriend has one) or an iPod Touch (I have one), might be content with the Hero and might not notice all the problems it has...but I notice them and curse the phone every day. As far as the applications go, the few I've downloaded don't even work, which is probably due to being stuck on 1.5, but who's to really say. And there's no joy to having the all-important "multi-tasking" when the OS crashes all the time or lags because of it. Seriously.
I was at a doctor's appointment the other day and my phone rang while I was with the receptionist. I pulled it out to turn the ringer off and put it back in my pocket. The receptionist asked, oh, is that that Sprint phone? The Hero? I was kind of surprised because it does not get recognized very often. I said, yeah, it is. She said, My friend has that phone. He hates it. I sighed. Yes, I hate it too.
Apple's rapid once a year update? Are you kidding? Even Palm with it's limited resources updates their phones more often than Apple. The G1 and MyTouch aren't getting android 2.0 for the same reason the iPhone 2g and 3G aren't getting multitasking.... Android has had 3 updates in 2009 and already 1 in 2010 with another coming soon... Apple again... Once a year.
Yeah, Apple should update more than once a year. But does it matter how many updates Android puts out when a large portion of their user base can't even install the update? What good is that? At least when Apple does have an update, everyone gets to use it.
Apple again... Once a year.
Huh? There's been at least three updates of OS3. Sure, major updates happen annually, but that seems pretty reasonable. I already have one more update (2 to 3) than I ever got on my winmo phones, and I will get OS4 once it's out.
Have you ever watched porn?
Have you ever watched porn on your iPhone?
Let he who has never enjoyed a little porn cast the first stone!
I think Jesus said that, he was awesome.... or was it Mohammad.... (Support South Park)
Hate to break it to you but there is porn that works on the iPhone.
A simple google search turns up http://m.pornhub.com/ which does work on the iPhone.
What google should be doing is as follows: making Android have a compadiblity layer which makes it easy to upgrade the phones. It should make it so that android would automatically detect the architecture in the phone and then upgrade accordingly. If Google does this then i could see people upgrading their phones much easier. Also, Google should have come up with some interface guidelines so that some phones wouldn't have had a UI that would break when there is an update, such as HTC's touch sense. This would have essentially left the updates to Google, and not the handset makers who want to make money.
Do you know how technically complex that is?
HTC's Sense UI is an intermediate layer between Android and the user. Android could add 100s of features, but if Sense doesn't make it available to the user through the UI, it's useless, even if Android doesn't break Sense. But since Android might break Sense and since HTC must support its phone, the customer must wait until HTC regression tests the Android upgrade, even if none of the new features are to be made available.
This is analogous to the argument Jobs just made about Flash-based apps and intermediate layers on iPhone OS.
Thanks for painting all male users with a broad and insulting brush. You once again prove the prejudice that porn users are male.
Actually, not all males like "porn" and as far as I heard, teh Internets are full of porn so there's no reason that you can't have porn on your iPhone if you want that.
Well, you do know that studies have shown that Android-based phone owners are predominantly male, something like 70-30, while iPhone is about 50-50.
Though, of course, it might just have to do with principled geekiness freedom, and nothing to do with porn.
Yes, it does suck. I have the HTC Hero, which I got on launch day, and it was one of the worst purchasing decisions I've ever made. I would love an iPhone but I just can't do AT&T, and my plan on Sprint costs $40 less a month than the equivalent on AT&T. The Sprint service is fine...the phone...not so much.
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I was at a doctor's appointment the other day and my phone rang while I was with the receptionist. I pulled it out to turn the ringer off and put it back in my pocket. The receptionist asked, oh, is that that Sprint phone? The Hero? I was kind of surprised because it does not get recognized very often. I said, yeah, it is. She said, My friend has that phone. He hates it. I sighed. Yes, I hate it too.
Yup, my co-worker gave up his original iPhone for a Hero last November because he got no AT&T reception at his new house (since he moved upon getting married), and his wife and her family were already all on Sprint. He hates it, even compared to the no-3G iPhone.
He can't wait until his contract ends.
Apple's rapid once a year update? Are you kidding? Even Palm with it's limited resources updates their phones more often than Apple. The G1 and MyTouch aren't getting android 2.0 for the same reason the iPhone 2g and 3G aren't getting multitasking.... Android has had 3 updates in 2009 and already 1 in 2010 with another coming soon... Apple again... Once a year.
The iPhone 2G and 3G are each over two-years-old. Some of the Android phones unable to install the 2.0 update aren't so old. Though those older iPhone models won't ever do multitasking, they can use nearly all the same apps as the 3GS (except the ones that require 3GS hardware, of course). Even if I hadn't upgraded my 2G to a 3GS, I could still use all the apps I have (though many of the games would not run as smoothly, and one of them wouldn't run at all because it requires the 3GS). Are the Android phones that are currently in stores but cannot run Android 2.0 because they're outdated as the 2G and the 3G, and if so, what does it say about Google and its partners when they are intentionally releasing phones that are outdated even before they are released? At least with Apple, you can expect your money's worth from your hardware.
I have heard that argument before - on the Mac side - that the number of applications doesn't matter that much.
...
True, the number of apps as a generalization is not that relevant. But as soon as it comes to niche apps, it is relevant indeed. Some of the iPhone apps I use regularly I likely will be able to get on the Android as well, but I would guess that half of the ones I use (e.g., my bank's) are not available on the Android. Same with some of my favorite sports channel apps. It is the accumulation of niche relevant apps that increasingly carries the day.
The number of apps did matter, even when Mac users were saying it doesn't back in the 90s. Look at what happened to Mac market share from 1994 to 2000 - it mattered. The coming of the WWW finally made it matter much, much less.
If the WWW is too difficult to use on the small screens of smartphones, and apps are the way to go to simplify that, then apps will matter greatly once again. Apple is saying that they are seeing people primarily access info/services through apps rather than going to websites through browsers. I do that myself, but I don't know of studies saying whether it's true or not.