If the Android OS wasn't so buggy in the earlier versions then a majority of the users wouldn't care to upgrade to another version. Many people buy the smart phones for 3 things (i.e. phone calls, texts, and rich formatted emails). If those things work well enough then they aren't looking for fixes or OS updates.
I regret upgrading my Blackberry. Ever since the newer OS has been buggy. My next phone will be the gen 4 iPhone. Here's hoping Verizon or T-Mobile get the iPhone come June.
Hate to break it to you but there is porn that works on the iPhone.
A simple google search turns up http://m.pornhub.com/ which does work on the iPhone.
OK, the porn joke i made has gone far enough.
I was just trying to illustrate the fact that apple controls each and ever application allowed on the iPhone, while on Android that control is with the end user.
You can justify in any way you like but the fact is Apple is your daddy and controls what you can do.
If the Android OS wasn't so buggy in the earlier versions then a majority of the users wouldn't care to upgrade to another version. Many people buy the smart phones for 3 things (i.e. phone calls, texts, and rich formatted emails). If those things work well enough then they aren't looking for fixes or OS updates.
I regret upgrading my Blackberry. Ever since the newer OS has been buggy. My next phone will be the gen 4 iPhone. Here's hoping Verizon or T-Mobile get the iPhone come June.
I have had my G1 since November 08. What bugs do you speak of?
There is the case that we are prisoners of our space and time -- we may not be able to comprehend things, ideas and possibilities beyond what we can infer from our experiences and surroundings further limited by the time we live in.
The origin perhaps of the vitriol is the "belief" of a number of people that for ones perspective to be true or right, those presenting a different point of view must be incorrect or wrong.
In reality, if we look deeper into the reality and lessons of "nature", we will find that ecosystem is a study of contrast and diversity.
And, when we study history, and the evolution of ideas, what is sometimes the dogma (the popular beliefs, common sense, etc.) of the time may be deunked by the ideas of coming from a single individual or minority.
Add all these and you will understand the titanic clash of the Apple and the Wintel group. Add to this now, the variants.
Then I remember:
This too shall pass away.
Our time in this world is just a blimp in the infinite of time. And I despair why we waste so much of our precious and finite time "hating and destroying" each other -- rather than try to understand each other, to learn from each other.
CGC
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Originally Posted by ekeefe41
Oh yea, thanks for painting all Android users with a broad and insulting brush. You once again prove the prejudice that Apple users are elitist, self righteous, closed minded jerks too be completely false. You sir are a tribute to the Apple community, A community... i might add i was once a part of, Duel core G4 tower FTW!
At least back then the false belief i had that Apple had superior software AND HARDWARE could be justified by the fact that they actually used DIFFERENT HARDWARE.
I was just trying to illustrate the fact that apple controls each and ever application allowed on the iPhone, while on Android that control is with the end user.
You can justify in any way you like but the fact is Apple is your daddy and controls what you can do.
I've never understood what you windoze people mean by "Apple controlling our lives". No one forces you to "buy Apple" .. that's a choice we're all free to make ... or not. Do you miss having a refridgerator with "no choices" ? ... a radio ? an electric razor ? .... no, you buy something because it fits the bill, or at least that's how you're supposed to do it. If Apple doesn't work for you ... so what? ... Apple is not for everybody ... get over it. This constant whinning about how "Apple is mean for not making exactly what you want" just tells me you want what you chose to be like Apple ..... but you don't want it to be Apple .... it aint gonna happen .... move on.
The thing is this story is treated like real news, when in fact it is spin from Apple fan boys.
And yes, there are plenty of iPhone fans coming to our web sites talking crap about Flash and Android.
Too bad for those iPhone guys on Android forums. No self respect i guess.
What is the point? Only time will tell.
Any way there will not be only one platform left on the market. As of any mature industry there are 3,4 or 5 main competitors.
P.S. I do not believe Apple itself ever planned for iPhone to be the only/best smartphone on the market. It just doesn't feet in with what Apple has been doing since the early days.
P.P.S. All must agree that iPhone had made it as a "game changer" and therefore should have some credibility.
I've never understood what you windoze people mean by "Apple controlling our lives". No one forces you to "buy Apple" .. that's a choice we're all free to make ... or not. Do you miss having a refridgerator with "no choices" ? ... a radio ? an electric razor ? .... no, you buy something because it fits the bill, or at least that's how you're supposed to do it. If Apple doesn't work for you ... so what? ... Apple is not for everybody ... get over it. This constant whinning about how "Apple is mean for not making exactly what you want" just tells me you want what you chose to be like Apple ..... but you don't want it to be Apple .... it aint gonna happen .... move on.
Totally right.
Apple 'controls' what i can do? But it was always my personal choice (yep i know some businesses now force you to have an iphone/mac, but you are allowed to have another phone of your choice ). And i agree with the way Apple limits me, i mean the way they do it does not limit me personally.
1) Flash is the biggest - i don't watch movies on my iphone, i have 30" monitor for this...actually i have 65" plasma to do that...you know pc is for work mostly.
2) apps? - in my case out of 100k on app store i have found everything i wish for in my pocket. Sometimes they cost around 10 $, but you know photoshop is 700 ...so its not this big a deal.
3)etc. etc. etc.
4) the porn joke - ANYBODY WATCHES PORN ON THE GO?????????????????????????????????????????
You buy Apple because you chose to "controlled" this way. You don't wan to be "controlled" in Apples way. Don't buy Apple. Easy.
So many people name calling and arguing here over a matter of opinion. LOL...
I didn't need to read past the first page to see how worthless and pointless this all is.
Why is it so hard for people to just let other people do what they want and believe what they want as long as they're not hurting anyone, killing kittens, etc.? I mean, it's a freakin' phone fer chrissake!
If you don't like the way the iPhone works, I have a news flash... you don't have to buy one!!! If you don't like AT&T's service don't buy a phone that uses their service!!! If you don't like how Android phones work, well, guess what? Buy something else!!! No one is holding a gun to anyone's head here... so why do people claim that Apple is a monopoly and forcing people to buy iPhones instead of anything else? Get a clue people...
So sad... doesn't anyone have anything better to do than insult people who don't have the same opinion and call them names?
If you've watched porn on your iPhone, have dirty pictures on your iPhone, browse porn websites on your iPhone and can stream HTML5 porn video on your iPhone, then what's the porn advantage of Android, then? Porn Apps?
All that porn on the iPhone is not enough for you? You need porn apps too? And access to those porn apps is enough of a reason not to choose the obviously better OS?
My parents have Blackberry Curves and I have stopped updating those to the latest firmware, specifically because the install and reboot process has taken nearly an hour and a half with each update on each phone. The device just sits there with a spinning hourglass.
What is worse is that on Blackberry user forums, I see people asking "why does this update take so long?" or "after update I have an hourglass for more than 45 minutes" posts, yet the only answer is...
"the blackberry OS, unlike other mobile phone OS's, is so secure. look at other phones, they boot in 2 or less minutes. BBs go thru a lot of security runs before starting up after a software update".
You buy Apple because you chose to "controlled" this way. You don't wan to be "controlled" in Apples way. Don't buy Apple. Easy.
I wouldn't say that I, personally, chose to buy an Apple product because of how it is "controlled", but because of how "integrated" it is with all of the other Apple products.
I would probably like Microsoft products if they had any sort of real integration, but it always seems to be a loosely connected series of software on their end.
The thing is this story is treated like real news, when in fact it is spin from Apple fan boys.
And yes, there are plenty of iPhone fans coming to our web sites talking crap about Flash and Android.
Huh. Took a quick look and couldn't find any iPhone partisans carrying on. Maybe iPhone users actually don't particularly care what Android users are up to? Unlike, I dunno, you?
Oh yea, thanks for painting all Android users with a broad and insulting brush. You once again prove the prejudice that Apple users are elitist, self righteous, closed minded jerks too be completely false. You sir are a tribute to the Apple community, A community... i might add i was once a part of, Duel core G4 tower FTW!
At least back then the false belief i had that Apple had superior software AND HARDWARE could be justified by the fact that they actually used DIFFERENT HARDWARE.
Huh. Or I guess I might assume that you've "proven" that Android users are thin skinned little bitches that squeal like pigs if anyone disses their choice of hardware? And feel obliged to patrol the web to make sure no one does so without being taken to task? Like I mention above, your characterization of Android sites having their fair share of Apple using trolls appears to be false. So perhaps that proves that Android users are pathological liars?
Or perhaps individuals on the internets say silly things, and hardware choices do not, in fact, say anything significant about character-- a fundamentally insane idea, if you think about it for a moment. Hey! Android users are insane! Have a nicer day.
I wouldn't say that I, personally, chose to buy an Apple product because of how it is "controlled", but because of how "integrated" it is with all of the other Apple products.
I would probably like Microsoft products if they had any sort of real integration, but it always seems to be a loosely connected series of software on their end.
Integration is simply a different story, if you have never used Apple you just would not be able to understand what integration really means for you.
Did you ever consider purchasing a used Sprint phone on eBay to use for a phone and just using the iPod Touch for everything else? That is what I am doing with Verizon as I couldn't afford the AT&T plan either. If you dislike it as much as you say, you should seriously consider selling yours and buying a used dumbphone. You might even make a few dollars on the deal.
Yeah, I have thought about it a lot. I'm trying to wait for the Android update because it supposedly will fix a lot of the problems the Hero has now...but the update has been pushed back over and over again.
I'm kind of afraid to sell it on eBay because, as my post said, the phone is so f-ed up that I think whoever bought it would leave me negative feedback. Selling it locally over craigslist is most likely, then I can tell the person up front - look the phone has problems and that's just how the phone is - it's not abnormal, etc. But then who is going to want to buy it?
Wow. What a fundmental flaw to the whole model. There is all this complaining about apples control, but it looks like Android, under this model is out of control.
.
Nicely stated! As of now, it's a "pick your poison" situation.
Let's hope that things get under control with 2.2. ISTM that the OS needs to be robust enough to handle most hardware variations without any heavy lifting by the user. And it needs some kind of consistent hook for the device manufacturer's UI and special buttons, if any.
I kind of understand that the first few devices might not support new OS stuff. But I also think at this point, that selling older-OS devices that can't be upgraded needs to be handled like the old days when they sold '386 and '486 machines at the same time - it needs to be made clear that people are buying last year's tech.
Reality check. I would guess that for people who want "choice" it is the underlying principle that seems to count. In reality that means that they would want apps that are politically, morally, or technically questionable (in the eyes of some - granted, likely including my eyes). In reality that also means that you have access to a couple of thousand apps that Apple does not want, BUT you miss a 100 000 apps that Apple currently has over the Android, PLUS their regular upgrade system (both of app and OS). Some choice.
I think that the real reality check is that you get all the standard great apps that come from big companies. They are made for both the iPhone and for Android.
In addition, you get all the great Google apps.
And all the apps which are otherwise outlawed on the iPhone.
The other 100,000 in the App Store are mostly, likely with some exceptions, easy to miss.
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Many people stuck with the 6.1 rom on the TP2 from Sprint, even after 6.5 came out.
Many custom roms are 6.5.5 or 6.5.3 but many people still prefer 6.5...
At least for us, it's about choice.
I regret upgrading my Blackberry. Ever since the newer OS has been buggy. My next phone will be the gen 4 iPhone. Here's hoping Verizon or T-Mobile get the iPhone come June.
Hate to break it to you but there is porn that works on the iPhone.
A simple google search turns up http://m.pornhub.com/ which does work on the iPhone.
OK, the porn joke i made has gone far enough.
I was just trying to illustrate the fact that apple controls each and ever application allowed on the iPhone, while on Android that control is with the end user.
You can justify in any way you like but the fact is Apple is your daddy and controls what you can do.
Are not there any Android (Google, HTC, Samsung, etc.) websites? Why do you 'haters' gather on an Apple fan site to shit your mouth out?
You see i don't even know if there are such websites. I don't go there and do not post crap about Android or hardware.
P.S. I bet Apple 'lovers' don't shit themselves out on Android/Manufacturers forums. You know what it means. You all are just jealous. STFU.
http://www.androidcentral.com/
http://androidandme.com/
http://phandroid.com/
We have our web sites, thank you.
The thing is this story is treated like real news, when in fact it is spin from Apple fan boys.
And yes, there are plenty of iPhone fans coming to our web sites talking crap about Flash and Android.
If the Android OS wasn't so buggy in the earlier versions then a majority of the users wouldn't care to upgrade to another version. Many people buy the smart phones for 3 things (i.e. phone calls, texts, and rich formatted emails). If those things work well enough then they aren't looking for fixes or OS updates.
I regret upgrading my Blackberry. Ever since the newer OS has been buggy. My next phone will be the gen 4 iPhone. Here's hoping Verizon or T-Mobile get the iPhone come June.
I have had my G1 since November 08. What bugs do you speak of?
I don't recall anything game breaking back then.
The origin perhaps of the vitriol is the "belief" of a number of people that for ones perspective to be true or right, those presenting a different point of view must be incorrect or wrong.
In reality, if we look deeper into the reality and lessons of "nature", we will find that ecosystem is a study of contrast and diversity.
And, when we study history, and the evolution of ideas, what is sometimes the dogma (the popular beliefs, common sense, etc.) of the time may be deunked by the ideas of coming from a single individual or minority.
Add all these and you will understand the titanic clash of the Apple and the Wintel group. Add to this now, the variants.
Then I remember:
This too shall pass away.
Our time in this world is just a blimp in the infinite of time. And I despair why we waste so much of our precious and finite time "hating and destroying" each other -- rather than try to understand each other, to learn from each other.
CGC
Oh yea, thanks for painting all Android users with a broad and insulting brush. You once again prove the prejudice that Apple users are elitist, self righteous, closed minded jerks too be completely false. You sir are a tribute to the Apple community, A community... i might add i was once a part of, Duel core G4 tower FTW!
At least back then the false belief i had that Apple had superior software AND HARDWARE could be justified by the fact that they actually used DIFFERENT HARDWARE.
Things are much clearer now.
Did you happen to see this?
http://www.fastcompany.com/1630554/a...mobile-web-use
have a nice day
Tethering in the USA on Android is FREE. ..
Tethering everywhere except the USA on iPhone is FREE.
OK, the porn joke i made has gone far enough.
I was just trying to illustrate the fact that apple controls each and ever application allowed on the iPhone, while on Android that control is with the end user.
You can justify in any way you like but the fact is Apple is your daddy and controls what you can do.
I've never understood what you windoze people mean by "Apple controlling our lives". No one forces you to "buy Apple" .. that's a choice we're all free to make ... or not. Do you miss having a refridgerator with "no choices" ? ... a radio ? an electric razor ? .... no, you buy something because it fits the bill, or at least that's how you're supposed to do it. If Apple doesn't work for you ... so what? ... Apple is not for everybody ... get over it. This constant whinning about how "Apple is mean for not making exactly what you want" just tells me you want what you chose to be like Apple ..... but you don't want it to be Apple .... it aint gonna happen .... move on.
http://www.androidcentral.com/
http://androidandme.com/
http://phandroid.com/
We have our web sites, thank you.
The thing is this story is treated like real news, when in fact it is spin from Apple fan boys.
And yes, there are plenty of iPhone fans coming to our web sites talking crap about Flash and Android.
Too bad for those iPhone guys on Android forums. No self respect i guess.
What is the point? Only time will tell.
Any way there will not be only one platform left on the market. As of any mature industry there are 3,4 or 5 main competitors.
P.S. I do not believe Apple itself ever planned for iPhone to be the only/best smartphone on the market. It just doesn't feet in with what Apple has been doing since the early days.
P.P.S. All must agree that iPhone had made it as a "game changer" and therefore should have some credibility.
I've never understood what you windoze people mean by "Apple controlling our lives". No one forces you to "buy Apple" .. that's a choice we're all free to make ... or not. Do you miss having a refridgerator with "no choices" ? ... a radio ? an electric razor ? .... no, you buy something because it fits the bill, or at least that's how you're supposed to do it. If Apple doesn't work for you ... so what? ... Apple is not for everybody ... get over it. This constant whinning about how "Apple is mean for not making exactly what you want" just tells me you want what you chose to be like Apple ..... but you don't want it to be Apple .... it aint gonna happen .... move on.
Totally right.
Apple 'controls' what i can do? But it was always my personal choice (yep i know some businesses now force you to have an iphone/mac, but you are allowed to have another phone of your choice ). And i agree with the way Apple limits me, i mean the way they do it does not limit me personally.
1) Flash is the biggest - i don't watch movies on my iphone, i have 30" monitor for this...actually i have 65" plasma to do that...you know pc is for work mostly.
2) apps? - in my case out of 100k on app store i have found everything i wish for in my pocket. Sometimes they cost around 10 $, but you know photoshop is 700 ...so its not this big a deal.
3)etc. etc. etc.
4) the porn joke - ANYBODY WATCHES PORN ON THE GO?????????????????????????????????????????
You buy Apple because you chose to "controlled" this way. You don't wan to be "controlled" in Apples way. Don't buy Apple. Easy.
I didn't need to read past the first page to see how worthless and pointless this all is.
Why is it so hard for people to just let other people do what they want and believe what they want as long as they're not hurting anyone, killing kittens, etc.? I mean, it's a freakin' phone fer chrissake!
If you don't like the way the iPhone works, I have a news flash... you don't have to buy one!!! If you don't like AT&T's service don't buy a phone that uses their service!!! If you don't like how Android phones work, well, guess what? Buy something else!!! No one is holding a gun to anyone's head here... so why do people claim that Apple is a monopoly and forcing people to buy iPhones instead of anything else? Get a clue people...
So sad... doesn't anyone have anything better to do than insult people who don't have the same opinion and call them names?
If you've watched porn on your iPhone, have dirty pictures on your iPhone, browse porn websites on your iPhone and can stream HTML5 porn video on your iPhone, then what's the porn advantage of Android, then? Porn Apps?
All that porn on the iPhone is not enough for you? You need porn apps too? And access to those porn apps is enough of a reason not to choose the obviously better OS?
well said...
What is worse is that on Blackberry user forums, I see people asking "why does this update take so long?" or "after update I have an hourglass for more than 45 minutes" posts, yet the only answer is...
"the blackberry OS, unlike other mobile phone OS's, is so secure. look at other phones, they boot in 2 or less minutes. BBs go thru a lot of security runs before starting up after a software update".
My folks next phones will be iPhone 4th Gens.
You buy Apple because you chose to "controlled" this way. You don't wan to be "controlled" in Apples way. Don't buy Apple. Easy.
I wouldn't say that I, personally, chose to buy an Apple product because of how it is "controlled", but because of how "integrated" it is with all of the other Apple products.
I would probably like Microsoft products if they had any sort of real integration, but it always seems to be a loosely connected series of software on their end.
http://www.androidcentral.com/
http://androidandme.com/
http://phandroid.com/
We have our web sites, thank you.
The thing is this story is treated like real news, when in fact it is spin from Apple fan boys.
And yes, there are plenty of iPhone fans coming to our web sites talking crap about Flash and Android.
Huh. Took a quick look and couldn't find any iPhone partisans carrying on. Maybe iPhone users actually don't particularly care what Android users are up to? Unlike, I dunno, you?
Originally Posted by ekeefe41
Oh yea, thanks for painting all Android users with a broad and insulting brush. You once again prove the prejudice that Apple users are elitist, self righteous, closed minded jerks too be completely false. You sir are a tribute to the Apple community, A community... i might add i was once a part of, Duel core G4 tower FTW!
At least back then the false belief i had that Apple had superior software AND HARDWARE could be justified by the fact that they actually used DIFFERENT HARDWARE.
Things are much clearer now.
Did you happen to see this?
http://www.fastcompany.com/1630554/a...mobile-web-use
have a nice day
Huh. Or I guess I might assume that you've "proven" that Android users are thin skinned little bitches that squeal like pigs if anyone disses their choice of hardware? And feel obliged to patrol the web to make sure no one does so without being taken to task? Like I mention above, your characterization of Android sites having their fair share of Apple using trolls appears to be false. So perhaps that proves that Android users are pathological liars?
Or perhaps individuals on the internets say silly things, and hardware choices do not, in fact, say anything significant about character-- a fundamentally insane idea, if you think about it for a moment. Hey! Android users are insane! Have a nicer day.
I wouldn't say that I, personally, chose to buy an Apple product because of how it is "controlled", but because of how "integrated" it is with all of the other Apple products.
I would probably like Microsoft products if they had any sort of real integration, but it always seems to be a loosely connected series of software on their end.
Integration is simply a different story, if you have never used Apple you just would not be able to understand what integration really means for you.
Did you ever consider purchasing a used Sprint phone on eBay to use for a phone and just using the iPod Touch for everything else? That is what I am doing with Verizon as I couldn't afford the AT&T plan either. If you dislike it as much as you say, you should seriously consider selling yours and buying a used dumbphone. You might even make a few dollars on the deal.
Yeah, I have thought about it a lot. I'm trying to wait for the Android update because it supposedly will fix a lot of the problems the Hero has now...but the update has been pushed back over and over again.
I'm kind of afraid to sell it on eBay because, as my post said, the phone is so f-ed up that I think whoever bought it would leave me negative feedback. Selling it locally over craigslist is most likely, then I can tell the person up front - look the phone has problems and that's just how the phone is - it's not abnormal, etc. But then who is going to want to buy it?
Wow. What a fundmental flaw to the whole model. There is all this complaining about apples control, but it looks like Android, under this model is out of control.
.
Nicely stated! As of now, it's a "pick your poison" situation.
Let's hope that things get under control with 2.2. ISTM that the OS needs to be robust enough to handle most hardware variations without any heavy lifting by the user. And it needs some kind of consistent hook for the device manufacturer's UI and special buttons, if any.
I kind of understand that the first few devices might not support new OS stuff. But I also think at this point, that selling older-OS devices that can't be upgraded needs to be handled like the old days when they sold '386 and '486 machines at the same time - it needs to be made clear that people are buying last year's tech.
Reality check. I would guess that for people who want "choice" it is the underlying principle that seems to count. In reality that means that they would want apps that are politically, morally, or technically questionable (in the eyes of some - granted, likely including my eyes). In reality that also means that you have access to a couple of thousand apps that Apple does not want, BUT you miss a 100 000 apps that Apple currently has over the Android, PLUS their regular upgrade system (both of app and OS). Some choice.
I think that the real reality check is that you get all the standard great apps that come from big companies. They are made for both the iPhone and for Android.
In addition, you get all the great Google apps.
And all the apps which are otherwise outlawed on the iPhone.
The other 100,000 in the App Store are mostly, likely with some exceptions, easy to miss.